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Questions for Democrats: Which Candidate is your top choice to run for President in 2020?

The location of the 2020 Democratic National Convention is still being decided between three cities. Since I live in the Houston area, I'd like to see it held there.

Toyota Center, Houston, Texas

American Airlines Arena, Miami, Florida (with some meetings at the Miami Beach Convention Center, Miami Beach, Florida)

Fiserv Forum, Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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ballou 8 Sep 6
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Anyone is better than the monkey show we have now. I like several of the above - Kamala Harris, Joe Kennedy & Kristen Gillibrand all would be great. Even though he is well liked, Joe Biden is too old - not necessarily in age (well, that too) but he is old Democrat & we need people who will change with the times. As someone else said Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would definitely add youth & change but I believe she needs a few years under her belt. I also like Michael Avenatti - I believe he is interesting.

@jorj I was gonna say shit show - maybe I should have stuck with my first thought...

@jorj monkey directed at a black person is racist. Monkey show to describe the circus happening in our government is spot on.
Hypocracy and double standards is electing a draft dodging, pussy grabbing idiot and calling him a lover of the military & christian.

@jorj Ah, you prefer to throw away your vote instead. I mean, why bare responsibility for your actions. You are taking the cowards way out.

@jorj there is a difference between following blindly and actually researching the candidates. Did you actually research HRC? Or did you believe the lies the repubs have been spreading since 1970ish?
Writing in a candidate is the worse thing you can do. It is literally throwing away your vote. Talk about a two year old throwing a temper tantrum. If there is a 3rd candidate on the ballot & they have some sort of possibility of winning, by all means vote for them. But in 2016 Jill Stein had zero chance of winning - in that case the vote was wasted. She did not even have a good platform - so please don't talk about democrats having weak political stances.

@jorj also educated and informed people understand the difference (as I stated previously) between directing a comment toward a person and directing a comment toward circumstances happening vs, as you did, making everything about race.
You talk about shaming but darned if you aren't real good at passing an awful lot of judgement and justifying it by calling yourself an independent.

@jorj do you not realize you also lose? And for every bad thing the republicans do, the consequences also affect you?
Why is it so important for you to claim independent when the results are disastrous for the whole country? Why do you not vote for the candidate who will come closest to your ideal even if that is not perfect but has a chance of winning instead of voting your party line or throwing away your vote by writing someone in?
Btw- you are not winning.... smdh.

@jorj if you chose to throw away a vote on a candidate that can not conceivably win, you have effectively not voted. You took the cowards way out, by participating while not actually participating.

@jorj I don't care if you vote 3rd party but you seem to think voting for Jill Stein was a better choice. That is just crazy. I will take an elite who at least has some knowledge & has actually worked in government over a non-platform fool. She had no position, no knowledge (as the current idiot in chief) of how our government actually works - crap she had never even won an election, for anything. Voting for someone like that is wasting your vote. Choosing the best of 2 in a bad situation (if you felt that way) is better than Jill Stein.

@jorj wow! Stein has never done a single thing. Not one single thing. She can spout being a liberal until she is blue in the face but until she actually gets elected and works on a committee which actually passes a bill she is nothing, spouting nothing. What you fail to know is I actually liked Stein when she first through her hat in the game. Then I researched. She could not even win an election at the local level....
You can continue to dig in and fight against everything just because you don't like the 2 main parties or you could open your eyes to all the AMAZING people running right now - mostly as Democrats. You could spend your energy working with & for them. Get them elected for the change you feel we need.
And if you think Democrats & republicans create the same policies which are hurting you, you better learn to research. Hint - 40 hour work week, unions, social security, epa.........
Back to losing - do you honestly believe the republicans are concerned about your health and safety - I will repeat EPA.

@jorj you are the one who continues to discuss everything but what the original topic of this thread is/was. If you cannot see the AMAZING, yes amazing group of Democrats who are running - yes, you might be all those things you sarcastically called yourself.
Not one person in your green party has a chance - for the most part they have no platform. Why are you so against the candidates who want change, want a better, non old guard Democrat party? Why are you not willing to look at ALL who are running and actually choose the best candidate vs just voting for anyone who is not Republican or Democrat or writing in Mickey Mouse?

@jorj you have continually knocked the dems yet even in this comment you stated 'a rookie getting elected either has to fall in line and play ball or they will never get a seat at the table' and you think a green party rep will get anywhere? ... that is not logical. My point all along has been new blood - go up and read my original comment. A new, different party is not the way to go. WE need to fix this. WE do that by voting and making smart choices when we are in the booth. A smart choice is one who is the closest to our ideal that has a chance of actually getting elected. They may not be perfect but slightly imperfect elected officials are better than what we get when people get mad when their candidate did not get the votes. Which is exactly what happened with many who wanted Bernie - it wasn't that they were unhappy with Democrats they were mad that their guy lost. And he did lose - Hillary got the votes and that is what counted in the primary. Did the DNC make a mess of things? Absolutely. What do we do to fix that? Throw our hands up?, not vote?, right in Mickey Mouse?, vote where the person has zero chance?, or do we dig our heels in and make effective changes? I say the latter. I say we give Tom Perez a chance - if he behaves as Schultz did we fix it and continue to fix it until we find someone who is going to do the best for the Democrats. ALL Democrats.
You keep saying you are no better off whether it is a repub or a Democrat yet that is not true. If you only look at the environment you will know they are not treating you (your kids, your grandkids) the same.
The biggest problem with the Democrats is they play nice when they have power which is why we have many of the problems you have brought up. No one is perfect, no group is perfect we can only strive for that and we do that by voting smart every election - not just presidential but we start at the local level. When we make our local governments work for US then we move up the ladder, not the other way around.

@jorj now I am truly done with you - you would rather destroy the planet just to feed a couple of families when coal is moving out west anyway & natural gas is far cheaper! Selfish ignorance must truly be bliss. Yes I am attacking you now.
Done - good night

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If I were democrat, I would want Elizabeth Warren. But I'm not. I'm independent, leaning towards Green Party, so we will wait and see. I doubt if Jill Stein will run again

Third Party candidates do not win the presidency. Not even come close. Even a person as popular as Teddy Roosevelt could not win it. A vote for a Third Party candidate is a vote in essence wasted and will result in a Republican win.

@jorj Which is better for the common man...Republicans or Liberals albeit some tainted by corporate money?

@dahermit which is why Bernie runs as a Democrat. He understands that is the only way to win & the only way to create change. Work from within instead of complainig about how bad the 2 main parties are.

@Heidi68 As far as I know, Bernie still lists himself as an "Independent", not a "Democrat". Which is in my opinion a mistake on his part. He is the only one (except for Elizabeth Warren), that understands the central issued is the despararency of the income of the working class to that of the ultra rich. In short, in order to win, Bernie needs the resources of the Democratic Party behind him.

@dahermit he runs as a Democrat until he receives the win and the he turns down their nomination. Look back at his history in New Hampshire.

@dahermit, @jorj you really need to learn to research outside of the republican lie chamber. No matter what happened within the DNC Bernie still lost the votes. Period.
And he has more sense than to align himself with Stein. She had no platform. She was going for middle of the road hoping both HRC & Bernie were too left and tRump was too right.

@jorj whatever are you talking about? In both of the above statements, you must be getting confused. What made up talking point are you talking about?. Within this whole thread I have only gone back to the previous election. Where exactly are you getting 20+ year talking points? You have yet to state one single thing other than 3rd party hate. No proof, just hate of the current system.
As I stated on the other thread - we have many young enthusiastic mostly Democrats running who could change many of the things most 3rd party people are interested in but you, yes you, are so filled with hate you won't open your eyes to the possibilities right in front of you.

@jorj when have I talked down to you? You are the one calling yourself names. You are the one typing confusing statements. I did ask specific questions - what are you talking about 20 year old talking points - when everything I have discussed has been from the last election. Go back & reread both of the threads...

@jorj seriously - you need put your big boy pants on - you want me to attack you I will but I have not up to this point.
The first comment on this thread between the 2 of us was you attacking me on Bernie. And then you squalling about echo chambers - one comment it is fox news & republican then it is Democrat echo chambers. Please put down whatever you are smoking or drinking and come back when you are sober. Until you can make coherent comments I am done with you. Have a good night.

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The problem is this, Biden has baggage, Bernie is too far left to be elected, but the main problem is that if the Dems engage in a lot of infighting these next two years and the party is split then their chances go way down. I really think that the infighting in 2016 did in Hillary with the help of the electoral college crap. They need to get behind a younger and more charismatic persona and be united behind this person the entire time leading up to 2020.

How is Bernie too far behind? He’s been the most popular politician for the past two years in all of Congress. Hell, he started the Democratic primary with 4% favorability and won almost half the votes.

@Marz I didn't say behind, I said left. Concerning the general population of the United States he is deemed too far leftist/socialist/communistic to be electable by the general population. IMHO

@Marz Would I vote for him if he was the nominee, hell yes.

@starwatcher-al according to mainstream media he's too far leftist. Every policy he defends has majority support. If he's left, then so is the majority.

@Marz Right , the majority is getting lefter (?) all the time

@JustLynnie I don't know about that. There are far too many people who grew up in the 50s and 60s and were absolutely brainwashed about the evils of socialism! It would take years of education to get past that. And, as much as I like and respect Bernie...I don't think he can win.

@JustLynnie Not all of them....but, SOME OF US are! 🙂

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No Beto O'Rourke?

Maybe one day, who knows?

He’s running for senate in Texas.. we need him to kick Cruz’s ass.

@Green_eyes yes we do!!!

@MichelleGar1, @Green_eyes Absolutely! Beto has my vote!

@balou mine too!

Beto would make a great VP choice for someone in 2020 if he loses a squeaker to Cruz in Nov.

@Alvingo1 that's true!

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I could never vote for an idiotic democrat. I’ll vote for Trump and I’m sure he’ll be re-elected. Hell last time he carried 87% in my hometown and carried all 77 counties in my home state.

I understand not being happy with the Democrats, but seriously, "atheists for trump" is just ridiculously stupid. Looking forward to you being wrong about the next election; his dishonest ass didn't even win the popular vote before this corrupt shit show...

i wouldn't vote for an idiotic democrat either. fortunately most democrats are fabulously intelligent and heartful and i intend to vote completely blue. the republicans are not just morons, they're corrupt and treasonous. as for trump... seriously? SERIOUSLY? you think he gives a rat's posterior about atheists, or humans for that matter?

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Ew. You should let go of some of that hate about all of us “idiotic democrats” and go burn some Nike merch that you’ve already paid for. ?
-❤️ a blue state resident

Trojan61 has always been full of hate, ever since he has been on this site. He dishes it out than runs back to the conservative group.

@Darthpug How about the Trump piñata group? They don’t get more hateful than that!

@Trajan61 Lmao, I think you ended up on the wrong site..
But Its always great to be reminded that atheism is not synonymous with educated.

LMFAO Atheists for trump... Funniest(dumbest) shit Ill see all day.

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Many years ago, (10? 15?) , I heard Elizabeth Warren on the radio, explaining how our credit card industry operates. How it started, evolved, Etc. I've always liked her. She seemed very capable. I would always consider voting for her.
Bernie just couldn't quite explain where the money for his social programs would come from (MIC! MIC! ) as obvious (MIC! MIC!) as the answer is ( MIC! MIC!) . So either he was being coy and dishonest, or was going to continue funding the MIC along with fantastic social programs. America CANNOT afford both. So I can't buy into what he's selling, as much as I'd like to.
Hillary .....problem is.....if we had gotten her in 2016, she'd have been back in 2020. Along with another corporate clone in 2024. & 2028. Business as usual takes on a life of its own.......It tends to be business as usual.

Obama cost me $1000's .........I can waste my own money thank you. I think that George Soros pegged him when he said that once Obama has your support, he doesn't offer much. He's out looking for more supporters.

Obama gave up waaaaaay to much to RepublicanTs. No fight in him. He had the House & Senate and .....SUCKED. Might as well have voted for Romney ( MCCain probably had my vote in '08 before he "discovered" Sarah Palin. Yuck Poo!)

twill Level 7 Sep 9, 2018

I would concede that Obama and the Democrats did not fight nearly enough and gave up too much (not the least of which was the cost control in Obamacare that could have made it work).

I too really liked Warren....but only until she backed Hillery. I then left the Democratic Party. I was always an Independent anyways.

@Reignmond Yeah it seems as much as a working taxpayer wants to support the Dems, they disappoint. Reminds me of Lucy, Charlie Brown & the football. Sad.

I understand your frustration with Obama. Especially when there was the perception that we also had control of the House and Senate.Thing is a lot of Dems are actually controlled by weird religious and economic beliefs like the RepubliCONS.
2nd. I believe Obama also feels strongly that it's not just wining that counts, but also how you win.
Truth, honor and respectful differences matter. It has been no match for the evil the RepubliCONs are willing to embrace but this too can change. The RepubliCONS are trying to control the people with a dumbed down education system. Economics that keep the dumb poor.
To fight this we need charismatic, smart leaders.
Bernie and Elizabeth are not charismatic. They are not great speakers. There intentions are good and make good team players but IMHO we need more Obama types.

@twill I actually am pushing for major changes to a system of Democracy (please don't harp that it is a Republic...the later is a species of the former). One of the things I want is the elimination of all Political Parties, and elections to be held by a process of elimination (like playoffs). Parties enable the consolidation of influence and power that promotes corruption. They also truncate the selection of means by which we may try to solve our problems. Parties were a necessity in the pre-21st century, but now they are a detriment.

@Duago Yes if Dems were on the other side of religious issue, then churches woudl be paying some taxes, and the rest of us would not be funding their wars

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Joe Biden while personable, is a dullard...not the sharpest tack in the box. He is too amiable and not likely to fight to reverse all the damage Trump has caused. Although Bernie Sanders would be my first choice, he is way too old to last the alloted two terms in office. However, if he ran for president (on the Dem ticket), with Elizabeth Warren as his vice president, I would see that as ideal...she could finish out his term if and when he died, and then have "credentials" to run for president after finishing Bernie's term.

Sanders is only one year older than Biden, just sayin'.

@Dietl I'm 75...I can attest that 80's is way too old to be president. Bernie is still sharp, Biden never talks about how the the country has become an oligarchy of the rich via Republican control...he is not smart enough to see it whereas Elizabeth Warren gets it.

@dahermit
Just so you know, I agree with you. It is perfectly legitimate to question someones suitability for the office because of their age. But I wanted to point out that the same critizism applies to other candidates. Trump was 70, which is the oldest president at the time of the election. Biden now is 75, Bernie 76 and even Elizabeth Warren is 69. Either one of the top voted democrats (except for Harris at 53) would break the current record in 2020.

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Joe Biden with Corey Booker as running mate.

That certainly has potential. I read an article a few weeks ago about Trump being concerned about Biden. However, Joe is 75 years old now.

@balou joes in pretty good shape. Bet he could run circles around 45.

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I'm not familiar with most of these people's voting records or contributions towards democracy to give an honest answer, so I'm voting for the least popular person just to make things close.

@Lincoln55 Clearly, if all these people were running for the nomination I would look into their voting records and listen to their speeches to decide who the best candidate would be. But I'm not going to do hours of online research for a fucking website poll that doesn't mean shit. You don't know shit about me to say that I "don't give a rats ass about politics" and that I'm "brain dead." Why do a lot people comment on anything on this website? To have great conversations, to share common interests and ideas, and to get useless internet points to so we can get to another level and get a free shirt. That's the main reason I commented. What made you want to insult a complete stranger online? That's very Trump-ish of you. Just curious, Lincoln.
Also, whoopdeedoo! You've been to Rome, GA and know about it's political atmosphere! Who cares? Rome, GA is a conservative town in a conservative state. No matter how many elections I vote liberal or Democrat, nothing ever changes. I have to put up with a lot of Trump supporter shit here, so with all due respect, fuck off!

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I really don’t follow politics much other than the big issues and current events.. is there ANY possibility at this point that a republican would be able to run against Trump and beat him in the primaries in 2020? Is that even politically doable, or is there some law/rule that makes it impossible?

No law against it, lets hope

The incumbent usually runs for the presidency unopposed by his or her party in the modern era. Party solidarity and all that hogwash. I don't think it's happened since 1992, but I could be wrong. It is possible though.

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This is the problem. Why does it have to be a Democrat if you're a liberal? There are conservative Democrats and there are liberal Democrats. There are liberals who choose to be members of other parties as well. This whole system is fucked and there are people who try to shame others into forcing them to vote for who they want out of fear. Americans really need to learn about labels and what they actually mean. I mean this in general and not to the OP. There are people who will vote and they will know next to nothing about candidates except for their soundbytes. Most people will watch a debate or two and hear Cory Booker or Joe Biden yell out some punchline or branding tag and say, that's my guy!!!, or girl. I've been so tired of establishment Democrats. Plus, no Dem would have voted for Bernie if he didn't decide to join their little club last election. So why would you vote for him as a Democrat and not as an Independent? The reasoning with SOME people is just do dumb.

I live in Massachusetts, and even though I’ve always voted Democrat I’m torn in the upcoming gubernatorial race, because I think that our very popular middle-of-the-road Republican governor Charlie Baker is a strong, rational choice for re-election... I will have to learn a lot more about his opponent before I decide!

@JustLynnie If everyone has that mentality then yes they will not win.

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I like all of the above even though I am a Bernie fan but I have to admit his age is a concern for me so I voted for other. I am waiting to see who else rises out of the ashes between now and 2020. There are a lot of exciting people breaking barriers and unseating shitty republicans and in some cases outdated democrats and I want to see how it plays out.

That's a good point because Obama basically came out of nowhere. However, he gave a great keynote speech at the 2004 DNC. He looks like a baby here:

@balou "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that we are are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness................"
This is the reason I became a citizen. This is where my affection for America lies. To my mind this alone, inspires commitment.
Sadly it seems that those who do believe in the 'creator' have forgotten this.

'........but when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under DESPOTISM, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such a government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

It seems that neither of these statements are in play today. ?

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I checked other, the way I see it that's 2 years down the road who knows what's going to happen between now and then

It will be here before you know it, all of the debates, etc.

@balou yeah I hope they don't pull the same b*** they did last time around.

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I'm not American, so didn't vote.

Please pick a sane person that will beat Trump's ass.

Thank you.

Signed - The Rest Of The World

Right on!

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As a lifelong Democrat, I will vote for the person who is nominated.

Vote Republicans out of office!

I left the Democratic Party when they forced Hillary as a candidate. I am now aligned with the Progressive Independents.

@Reignmond

Bernie Sanders voters helped Trump win in 2016. Here's proof:

[newsweek.com]

[npr.org]

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I would still like to live long enough to see a woman as president. Having said that I will vote for whoever is nominated but please, someone a bit younger than Joe or Bernie.

gearl Level 8 Sep 6, 2018

@hankcalifornia That's a point, if we could get rid of the two crazies.

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I would give Biden a slight edge over Bernie because he was VP. A Biden / Bernie ticket would be excellent. That said, I also would absolutely love to see Tulsi Gabard on a ticket.

@jorj While I am concerned about the level corruption among many long established Politicians, inexperience can be every bit as bad and is likely to lead to corruption.

Plus, the most crucial deciding factor for me is history. I don't care what a politician says, I look at their history! What they have done in the past, is what they will do in the future!

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The Distinguished Gentlewoman from Hawaii has impressed me today!

Tulsi Gabbard?

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I wasn't aware that there were any presidential candidates for the 2020 election at this time.

No kidding. But, I provided a list of likely candidates.

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I'm not really sure. Biden and Sanders are just so old. They'd both hit 80 while in office.

I don't know anything about Harris, Booker, or Gillibrand.

I'm not sure of Warren's chances and I'm afraid she might run into many of the same issues that plagued Hillary.

Kennedy might be a really good choice though he'd be the youngest president ever.

I guess it will really depend on who decides to run and who gets nominated.

I’d vote for Bernie’s corpse over Kennedy.

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How about a Michelle/Hillary ticket?

Emme Level 7 Sep 6, 2018

Hillary running again would literally be the end of the democratic party. How many times do they think they can force a choice we clearly don't want down our throat.

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If I were democrat, I would want Elizabeth Warren. But I'm not. I'm independent, leaning towards Green Party, so we will wait and see. I doubt if Jill Stein will run again

I respect your Green Party choice, I'm an environmentalist, but I will place my vote for the candidate with the highest potential to unseat Trump. I prefer Elizabeth Warren and think she will prevail in the end..

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It is far too early to contemplate.

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I would be ecstatic if Tusli Gabbard were to run.

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It’s much too early to say. Don’t know who exactly will actually be running. While I probably would tend to lean toward the older candidates, I would like to see some younger ones run who might have a chance to win.

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