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Is God something we either need to accept or reject?

God is an rationalization of reality's occurrences, in absence of methods to define and substantiate a logical reason. in other words, God and Gods throughout human history come and go depending on how many people believe they are the cause for the things that happen in our lives.

In that sense, is it really worth saying that god doesn't exist? isn't the same as saying the United States doesn't exist? there is no gene that makes us American, nor a physical line in the ground. nations are steps in the evolution of civilization, is god not a step in our evolution of how we view the world?

Aaron89 4 Jan 28
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Not discussing this bullshit.

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Well, if you see "God" as a concept born of human ignorance, of course it exist, but saying that "god exist" is talking about the deity. so if we are talking about the "concept of god" yes, it is a part of us, that's why we find it everywhere, in any period of time. when we are incapable to understand something or we are desperate to find a solution without any information, our mind will try to create a very strong base to sustain and explain whats going on. its like a desperate move to explain something.
on the second part, I wouldn't compare it with a nation/civilization, since those move around something that's real (groups of people, territory, logical Ideas and laws.

IDK if Im making sense, but my point is that the idea of God is born from ignorance, you don't accept ignorance, we know it exist and that is real, but our work is to eliminate it and try to understand everything that's beneficial to us.

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The idea of a being watching & judging me is both creepy and ridiculous.

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Well, acognitivism is a third option. Acognitivists believe that every existing definition of god is complete nonsense and means nothing, and therefore "is there a god?" is a meaningless question safely ignored.

Just a few examples... Creator of the universe? What if an alien from another universe is the creator..would it still be called god? And who created the creator? An immaterial, disembodied spirit? There are no other examples of such a thing. Disembodied entities are not part of everyday experience and very likely are impossible. A transcendant being? WTF does that even mean? Transcending what? Something bigger than ourselves? That could be a lot of different things. Life force energy? Has about as much meaning as transcendent being.

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Labels we create are describing things (tangible and intangible) that are relevant to our everyday existence. Sure we don't REALLY need them, but they make things easier. So yeah I think I understand what you're saying, they don't really exist, but I don't need to accept OR reject a God to go about my day or communicate with other people in a way that they understand what I'm conveying. Labels are for practicality. Believing or not believing in the tooth fairy doesn't affect my every day responsibilities, only other people's false perception of my character.

It's kind of like language. It's not practical to have a conversation with someone who doesn't speak English for me. Their language kind of doesn't exist in my realm. We need a shared language to understand each other. Then where we have two people who speak English, one is a believer and one is a non-believer. We don't need God to convey and understand practical applications of society. Actually, neither do the two people who don't speak the same language.

Hopefully I conveyed my message correctly lol

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All gods are myths. Believing in them is delusional.
It's not that complicated.

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she's irrelevant so why bother

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Nahhhhhhhhhh, gotta sit on the fence and go with what we know until there is some definitive evidence one way or another.

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Neither. It is the agnostic way.

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If you notice nearly every single fictional account of futuristic societies have done away with both religion and separated states. Either there is a global cooperation and no religion, or the world burned.

Considering most fictional accounts of the future come close to reality within 100 to 200 years its worth noting.

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Mmmm. Not a lot of god definition going on here. The big trouble is, the word god means so many things to different people. Who said "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"? I have a lot of trouble doing the math of the Universe and being totally certain that some really advanced technologists can't exist, and they would be "magic" to us. And how would you disprove that the inherent god predilection of humans isn't a survival instinct created by ... gods? All in all, scientists have to admit there is a lot more we can't be certain about .. did I mention dark matter ?

"Gawd definition"? WTH is that!?.! Like asking for a definition of "sqizersow"....just completely silly!

And yet here we are talking about the concept ??? Any variable in an equation has to be assigned a value or definition. Few could find proof of an "omnipresent, all powerful all controlling being", but the math wouldn't exclude "advanced scientists from advanced civilisation". Sure, it sounds like science fiction, but then so does most of Quantum Physics. Don't get me wrong, I am not advocating the existence of high tech galactic technicians, but I AM saying, the Math doesn't discount the possibility.

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I like the comparison of nationalism and religion, because, effectively, that is what it is. A concept to rally around. And everybody has concepts they live under. I believe we call hating other people's conceptualizations 'prejudice'.

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You ask a hard question and my mind says, if there was a God, you could not compare him to anything else, especially a land mass or even a country of people! Apparently, God would not be evolving. If there was a God, then why would IT, have everything evolve, instead of just deciding to make something that was unlike what would happen, if it had evolved over time? I think that I have more questions than answers?

Self-taught AI is the same concept. We make it so that we don't have to constantly re-design and re-build. While I am not a believer in any theology, evolution works along the same concept. Naturally extinct species are antiquated versions. To many, this analogy is also used to prove a God's intelligence, as he/she/it had the foresight to design life this way.

@Aenith ...in my experience with people on proving there is a GOD, these people can take every reason they are given that no God exist and twist it to prove that one does exist. They are taught that from Sunday school and the pulpit and all those Bible Study classes all over this country (every day at the Whitehouse, now). And, no science is included in their teachings.

@Freedompath very true. However, science is appearing more and more in those arguments. Even the Vatican has had to bow to certain principals. Not sure how much credit should be given as they had little choice, but still.

@Aenith ...GA, is not NM...they dismiss Science here like it was the plague. We have lots of 'little Christian Schools' here. Price, who was appointed to HHS, (then was ousted), was down in a South Ga, Church, telling those people that the earth is only 3,000 years old, when he was a congressman ...and he is a Doctor! He was not my congressman, but I wrote him a letter, asking why he was deceiving those people? By the way. The Pope is a highly educated man and he would have more of an impact, if his efforts weren"t choked out. But, he never gives up...I respect him, because it can't be easy.

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What constitutes "God" or "a god" is subjective to belief and interpretation. It's a personal thing. The way I view "God" is one in which there is no consequence to whether he/she/it exists or not, so my acceptance or rejection of said God isn't pertainent, so the point, for me, is moot.

This does allow me the benefit of not having to be angry about God, and also the luxury of not having to be subordinate to one, either. Works for me. Your milage may vary. Objects in mirror may be closer or further than they appear.

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Of course it is something that humanity needs to reject. Religion was simply a way of controlling people and their thoughts. It is nothing more than a bunch of fairy tales that were made up thousands of years ago and it is embarrassing that people can still be made to believe in it.

That's a very sophomoric viewpoint that ignores a lot of history, psychology, and a couple other disciplines. I hope you don't mean to imply religion should be suppressed. For over there, ye make terrorists.

@ravnostic Religion is not the only thing that creates terrorists. I also did not state that religion should be suppressed, it should be eliminated by educating people with facts and a more realistic way of seeing the world over time. Showing people that there is no reason to believe in a mythical being living in the sky that controls your afterlife and has a plan for you.

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