You can nitpick definitions all you want, but you can't base an argument on allegorical evidence, the fact that people who are vaccinated against the flu often get the flu is easily explained for a few reasons. One reason is that nothing is 100% effective. Mishandled or improperly stored vaccines can be rendered ineffective. There's also the fact that people are often exposed to the flu before they are innoculated and the vaccine is administered too late. Even if an innoculated individual gets the flu it's usually far less severe and its duration is reduced.

I didn't get flu vaccines for many years, not because I didn't believe in their efficacy or opposed them, but because I took many other precautions and was willing to take my chances because I rarely get ill. Last year, for the first time in almost two decades, I got the vaccine simply because my daughter-in-law was pregnant with my grandson. I didn't want to expose him.

Seasonal flu shots are vaccines. I think people should get them. I had my first flu shot 25 years ago, get them every year and have never gotten the flu. I get every vaccine available, pneumonia, shingles and I'll get a corona vaccine when/if. When I was a child I contracted measles which left me with arrhythmia and deaf in one ear. The measles vaccine came out shortly after I got it. I think parents should be mandated to vaccinate their children and subject to arrest if they refuse. If they want to expose their own children, I still don't think that's their right. By doing so they expose other people's children, for that they should go to jail. It's child abuse and public endangerment. I know this will make some heads explode. Try not to make a mess.

I am all about vaccination ! Big time .
But I HATE THE FLU SHOT exactly for the reasons U listed plus , I have seen w my own eyes side effects in healthy people ( GB cases ) . I fear that shot and yet I have no choice but taking it every year , is mandatory for health care providers at acute care .

Meh. I don't really care if the flu shot is technically a vaccine. I wouldn't call anyone an anti-vaxxer for declining the flu shot. Nor would I think that someone who regularly gets flu shots was full of bullshit.

I've had good luck with flu shots when I've bothered to get them. And I've been okay when I skipped a year, too. Does this mean they're useless? Maybe. I don't know.

I save my vitriol for people who don't vaccinate helpless children against the more debilitating diseases.