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Ukraine joined the US 2003 invasion and occupation of Iraq. Unprovoked; 1,500 miles away! So who posted an Iraqi flag when Ukranians were killing Iraqis?

Krish55 8 Mar 3
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There is an Orwellian abuse of the term "Peacekeeping Forces." What indeed are Peacekeeping Forces?

They are a NEUTRAL party sent to a conflict to keep combatants APART. An example is the UN's Blue Helmets who operate in Cyprus, keeping Turkish and Greek Cypriot forces apart.

However, a force that joins a conflict at the behest of one side can never be honestly be called a peacekeeping force. Such a force is engaged in Pacification - the suppression of resistance.

We know what such pacification entails: The Romans in Gaul; the Germans in Yugoslavia; etc. Pacification is usually more brutal than the war itself.

We know that US Pacification in Iraq was extremely brutal, e.g. in Fallujah. When the Ukranians joined the US in Iraq, do you for a moment imagine that its pacification was benign?

Krish55 Level 8 Mar 7, 2022
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@FearlessFly and others asking for sources for my information

Extracts from Allied Participation in Operation Iraqi Freedom
by
Stephen A. Carney
Center of Military History
United States Army
Washington, D.C., 2011

Starting page 127 Participation of Ukraine

Deployment dates: March 2003–22 December 2005
Assigned to Lead participants: Poland later republic of Korea

Poland, the third-largest troop contributor, took the
lead in MND-CS, which included troops from the Ukraine;
The initial Ukrainian deployment consisted of 448 (Ukrainian) soldiers of a chemical, nuclear, and biological warfare battalion to support the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. (non combat role)
They were replaced 28 August 2003 by 1,621 troops from the 5th Separate Mechanized Brigade to provide logistics, under the of the Republic of Korea, stood up in September 2004 after Seoul agreed to significantly increase its troop strength and undertakereconstruction and humanitarian efforts in northern Iraq. (non-combative)
The Ukrainian force began to draw down on 7 May 2005 when the 7th Brigade was replaced by the 81st Tactical
Group, dropping the force to nine hundred infantrymen. During this final deployment, the Ukrainian force slowly reduced its troop commitment, with its final forty-four troops leaving Iraq on 22
December 2005.

Seriusly Len? How can "448 (Ukrainian) soldiers of a chemical, nuclear, and biological warfare battalion to support the invasion of Iraq in March 2003" be noncombative. If not actually participative in crimes against humanity (what chemical, nuclear or biological warfare is legal & not a crime - sarin, depleted uranium, mustard gas?) what did they do? Build hospitals for Kurds? Or accessories before & after the fact?

@FrayedBear They were there to advise on defence against chemical weapons attacks at the request of the Polish military as a scientific advisory unit, not combat soldiers.
I'm sorry if I did not make that clear in my choice of quotes.

@LenHazell53 true but a wonderful bit of research Len.. However as WMD stood for Words of Mass Deception do you think that 448 chemical warfare specialists played pool with the Poles all the time over there? No I don't think so either.

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Distinguished Prof. Mearsheimer of Chicago U. is a West Point grad. He is a US Army vet and former Air Force officer.
His analysis on the causes of the war:

Krish55 Level 8 Mar 4, 2022

What has this got to do with your OP?

@LenHazell53 I would think quite a bit Len- American subterfuge, the eventual 2014 coup, military training & indocrination into American hatred of Russia.

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All of your arguments amount to nothing more than whataboutism (fallacy) :

[en.wikipedia.org]

What---ism is bringing up an unconnected issue.

Ukraine's past association with US imperialism (Iraq War) and its desire to join the tool of Western imperialism (NATO) is fundamentallly relevant to Russia's legitimate desire for Ukriane not to join NATO. Pointing out the aggressions of NATO and Ukraine are most relevant to this issue.

Were you there inciting the Ukrainians against their elected pro Russian government or simply teaching them genocide?

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I am sorry you are mistaken
Some actual facts
Before the Iraq War began, the US government announced that 49 countries were joined in a "coalition of the willing" in favor of forcibly removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq,
ONLY Five of these countries supplied combat forces directly participating in the invasion of Iraq (Boots on the ground so to speak): the United States, Denmark, United Kingdom, Australia, and Poland.
Some other countries expressed their support, providing either significant political or supplying support equipment: these included Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey and Ukraine
This means Ukraine participated ONLY at the same level most of the rest of Europe and Asia.

I politely suggest you do some deeper research and revise your post accordingly before you make an even bigger tit of yourself in public.
Okay?

Did you see the links below about Ukriane's troops in Iraq? From US sources including the Army?

@Krish55 Yes and I commented on it if you had bothered to look.

@LenHazell53 Ukraine sent troops. At one point, they were the third largest group of foreign Occupiers. Someone else posted the link with that info below .

@Krish55 So you did not read my answers to fearless fire fly. Pathetic.
Carry on, keep making a bigger and bigger fool of yourself, it's still amusing for the moment, but will eventually get boring.

Ah the war of mass deception. Has your account been hacked Len?

@FrayedBear Don't tell me you are actually buying this arsehole's sack of bullshit please.

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Sadly you're Not Educated enough and Can't Understand the differences between "peacekeeping troops" missions and "invasion" !!! Read more, less RT! 🙂

Diaco Level 7 Mar 3, 2022

Now that is funny!

@Krish55 Or You know but like Putin, love to interpret that in your desired way.

@Diaco I actually dislike Putin.The issue is Russia's security in face of NATO's history of aggression, Ukraine attacking Iraq , and Ukriane's present desire to join NATO.

@Krish55 How about Russia's actions?!! what excuse about Crimea ?!

@Diaco Do you know its history?

@Krish55 Supposedly Nope, Pls. feed me!
oh, FYI, Ukraine's participation in Iraq wasn't at the "invasion" mission, but later as "peacekeeping troops" and NonCombat training mission. 🙂 Nice try though!

@Krish55 do you Know the history of Ukraine?

@Charlene I don't question Ukraine's right to be a nation.

@Charlene, @Diaco So if troops from Belarus now enter Ukriane to "pacify" the areas Russia has already conquered, they should be considered "Peacekeepers" and not Invaders?

@Krish55 either you're a Putin's ass kisser or uneducated in this field, in the both case, stop it! FYI, "peacekeeping troops" forces have been there after ppl celebration, Iraq legal election, and new independent goverment.

@Diaco
So when it's a brown country the invaders are Peacekeepers.
When it's a white country or US ally, the invaders are Invaders.

Got it!

@Krish55 Apparently, you have a hard time understanding my simple English, perhaps it's my bad!
but You bet on the dead horse and standing on the wrong side of history. irony is you think the whole world are Wrong and you just made a discovery and found the pure truth! just look at the United Nations. you can't justify and clean Russia Actions with others wrongs. again read more, less RT. 🙂

@Krish55 that's not what I asked..but at least you acknowledge Ukraines right to exist..now tell that to Puti..

@Charlene [mronline.org]

@Charlene, @Diaco 1st Ukrainian troops into Iraq were not peacekeepers but the experts in WMD only it turned out that WMD means WORDS OF MASS DECEPTION just the same as much of the bullshit that you are now swallowing lock stock & barrel.

@FrayedBear Aahahaha, You!... a Putin's ass kisser and RT, Sputniknews Lover! 😀... for sure you are RIGHT 🙂

@Diaco the last source that I used is very American. Read
[mronline.org]

And

[globalresearch.ca]

Then tell me that Russia is worse!

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For the doubters, why is it that we don't know this? Why is the proof so hard to find? The proof is posted below.

Ukraine is not just some innocent victim here. It invaded a country, unprovoked, 1,500 miles away. It bears responsibility for the war crimes there. It now wants to join NATO which does the same aggressive attacks a thousand miles away. It has a component of Nazis in its military.

Do only white, Western lives matter? Is Russia irrational for being concerned?

Are you humble enough to consider that we are not getting both sides of the story and that our understanding of it is being manipulated? In what way was your reflexive rejection the same as when the religious are confronted with evidence and shout, "Lies of the Devil!! ?

Canadian News: Nazis in Ukraine's military. Note the Nazi insignia. When Russia publishes this, it is called fake news -[ottawacitizen.com]

Krish55 Level 8 Mar 3, 2022
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Ukranian troops in Iraq: "Ukrainian companies were awarded [war] contracts" [foxnews.com]

Krish55 Level 8 Mar 3, 2022

That 2015 Fox article is misleading.
. . . the first sentence
"President Viktor Yushchenko (search) has signed the order to withdraw Ukraine's troops"
. . . the third sentence
"Earlier this month Yushchenko and top defense officials ordered Ukraine's soldiers to leave by year's end"

In 2015 Petro Poroshenko was President of Ukraine. 😛

@FearlessFly The article mentions Poro, I guess there was a change of gov't that year.

@Krish55 . . . wrong again :

[en.wikipedia.org]

@FearlessFly So you think they got the leaders mixed up? Not unusual for Fox!

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Here is the source from the US Army itself: [army.mil]

Krish55 Level 8 Mar 3, 2022

That was a contingent of Ukrainian soldier on secondment to the Polish army sent toward the end of the occupation to train Irqui soldiers and police officers they were not combatants. The article dates from 2008

@LenHazell53 "More than 5,000 Ukrainian troops have served in Iraq during Ukraine's five years of service in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom."

"The Ukrainians served as the third-largest Coalition forces contingent in Iraq, with about 1,700 soldiers from 2003-2005. "

. . . seems that some of the Ukrainians were there since 2003 . . .

@FearlessFly That is a misinterpretation, yes there were Ukrainian troops in Iraq from 2003 but many of them were US nationals serving in the US military these two guys for example

Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, and his brother Lt. Col. Yevgeny E. Vindman, Ukrainian born and US citizens as well as decorated war heroes

NO Ukrainian nationals serving in the Ukrainian armed forces participated in the actual invasion.

@LenHazell53 . . . source ?

@FearlessFly
Allied Participation in Operation Iraqi Freedom
by
Stephen A. Carney
Center of Military History
United States Army
Washington, D.C., 2011

and the third largest force in Iraq was Poland, not Ukraine, which to be fair did encompass 448 Ukrainian specialist in chemical warfare as consultants.
oN 28 August 2003 by 1,621 troops from Ukraine were serving in the at Al Kut, Wasit Province, this was the largest amount of Ukrainian soldier to be deployed during the whole conflict at that time under secondment to the Korean Republic deployment carrying out humanitarian and reconstructive work.

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That’s utter rubbish…there were only 5 countries which were involved in the invasion of Iraq and they were….USA, U.K., Denmark, Australia, and Poland. Don’t make things up….it’s called Fake or False information.

Just a Putin apologist

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And the goal of this post is what?

Canndue Level 8 Mar 3, 2022

To sow the seeds of untruth….and kick a nation when they’re down I’d say, just to make mischief.

Ukraine's past association with US imperialism (Iraq War) and its desire to join the tool of Western imperialism (NATO) is fundamentallly relevant to Russia's legitimate desire for Ukriane not to join NATO. Pointing out the aggressions of NATO and Ukraine are most relevant to this issue.

@Krish55 I suppose you are just trying to rile up the crowd, if not, perhaps it’s time to pull your head out of your ass.

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PLS. show ONE reference, which says Ukraine participated in the US 2003 invasion of Iraq.

Diaco Level 7 Mar 3, 2022

I can find absolutely no connection. Must be Russian misinformation (and, I don't see that either).

He can’t…they were never there!

@Marionville . . . see LenHazells' latest responses

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By participating, Ukraine was responsible for this and other atrocities: [cbsnews.com]

Krish55 Level 8 Mar 3, 2022

From what sources are you claiming Ukraine was involved? Those were atrocities; now, how was Ukraine a participant? Sources?

Ukraine had no involvement in the invasion or in any of these disgusting and degrading activities. As far as I can ascertain it was US troops solely who participated in them. As no Ukrainian soldiers were ever there it’s a slander to allege that they were involved.

@Beowulfsfriend Ukraine was never even there never mind being involved in this depravity.

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