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I just looked at the Republican Athiest group and now I need brain bleach. I wondered if they were going to talk about the bombs (I should have known better) but it was all about how great Trump is, how messed up Sweden is, blah blah blah (all I could stand to read).

altschmerz 9 Oct 26
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Wait... What? Republican Atheists?

Jegg Level 1 Dec 28, 2019
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Thanks for the update. Now I don't have to subject myself to reading it! Ugh

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Dumb asses are dumb asses, whether they believe in gods or not.

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Sort of an oxymoron......Republican Atheist....lol. I could see Trump being an atheist; however, he does not share that view with his followers.

Reetz Level 4 Oct 26, 2018
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It's not the republican party anymore. It's the party of Trump.

vnufall Level 7 Oct 26, 2018
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I frequent that group often. I post and submit comments. They have similar arguments that are found here. I have asked for evidence from commenters and received anecdotal stories. Of course, I don't get much more evidence from left leaning groups either, but there are some established sources posted here.

The meme battle between the two groups is somewhat entertaining, but counterproductive. The fear mongering by both h sides is troubling, but I do notice more gun related defensive comments there. Meaning, if there is a "civil war" or some other domestic conflict, they have no problem being well armed. I have seen comments from the left leaning groups thinking a conflict is coming, but it's just as exaggerated as what the right leaning group claims.

In essence, neither side is happy with the situation and do have common views, but are too divided to acknowledge each other. Just as when McConnell filibustered his own bill, people are against something because the other side shows interest. It's unfortunate and sets us back. I think if real issues are identified and put into focus instead of wedge issues, then common goals can be achieved with a satisfactory outcome. Keeping wedge issues at the top of the pile keeps us busy and allows those in power to get away with all the corruption that manages to stay under the radar.

dokala Level 7 Oct 26, 2018

I can't argue with those people...when all you do is listen to Trump and listen to Fox News...forget it.

@Closeted
Ask them about it.

@Closeted
I just asked them about the mail bomber and Michael Flynn. I'm curious. Do you have thoughts?

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i can't even bring myself to peek

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That's the trouble with identity politics. It sees everything in black and white, the other side being totally black and themselves shining like light. From what I can see, Sweden is a mess and America is improving economically, though mostly for the rich.

brentan Level 8 Oct 26, 2018

@OwlInASack The rise of the right is the result of the mess, not the cause of it.

@Closeted Yes, the extreme right has been very unhappy with uncontrolled immigration. The problem is mostly confined to Malmo, which might be described as a city-wide ghetto.

@OwlInASack Yes, but at the heart of all this is uncontrolled immigration. Darned if I understand why the left want to let in so many immigrants, apart from guessing it's about globalisation and cheap labour. The other side then goes too far to the right and never the twain shall meet. I guess it's down to the polarisation of ideologies.

@OwlInASack I have to come back with the claim that a look into the situation in Malmo does a lot to justify the wishes of the extreme right - the picture you paint of hard-working immigrants contributing to society seems pretty accurate in Ireland and Britain but not over there. I'm not happy either about the subjectivity of how people look. Lots of politicians look like criminals to me and they have a name for shady dealing so we can't start limiting this to extreme right politicians.

@dan325 Are you on the right topic, Dan? But anyway, no, of course not.

@OwlInASack The way i see it is the Social Democrats were in power from 2014. Before them was a centre-right party where the extreme right got a foot in the door but no more. It is only recently that the right-wingers got a mandate to influence, not dominate, Swedish policy. They are not having much success even now at getting their bills passed.
I'm not sure what mainland European countries have no problems with immigration. Have you seen the ghettos and homelessness in Paris? The general increase of rape? These issues could all be controlled with sensible immigration regulations.

@OwlInASack I saw the ghettos in the suburbs of Paris from the very comfortable distance of a coach on tour to Versailles about thirty years ago. Five years ago, I saw the mattresses on the streets and the tourist-robbers on the stops of the Sacre Coeur. They frightened my family and me but I understood they were reduced to it. The only conclusion I can come to is that controlled immigration and gradual integration into society is the answer. I think that flies in the face of the aims of globalisation for cheap labour.

@OwlInASack That was a great post. I enjoyed your passion for people. I tend to think of a lot of people coming from poor places to share the resources of better-governed lands. I think of the clash of cultures and the competition for decent-paying jobs. And I think if we allow this, what will ever encourage these people to resolve their own problems. Your point about global demographics would certainly remove all choice about it and call on people to be altruistic in a way that hasn't ever been asked (or demanded) before. On a lighter note, I'm sure the world is over when afternoon tea is no more.

@OwlInASack I certainly wanted to go home after a few years in America and did go home, not that I could be classed as a refugee, even though the money in America was far better than Ireland at the time. I think I should be able to access the Mash Report. I'll give it a shot anyway.

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I'm just glad they stay in their little bunker of right wing la la land. Every family has some crazy relatives you hope don't visit. They used to post their 'Trump is great and lefties want my money and my guns' posts on the community. Now they don't so much. Thankfully.

David1955 Level 8 Oct 26, 2018
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I have read a lot about cognitive bias and how we tend to read only the posts that reinforce the opinions we already hold. In order to counter that bias I try to read posts in groups I don´t agree with, but it is very difficult, I agree. For one thing, you have to join the group before you can enter into a discussion, which means you have to perjure yourself before you start! Then as soon as you suggest a different point of view, or alternative interpretation of the issue, you are likely to be blocked.

CeliaVL Level 7 Oct 26, 2018

Yes, both sides seem to be happy in their respective echo-chambers. But these groups usually implode. The conversations get stultified and then they turn on each other.

@OwlInASack I'm sure the other side thinks that too. I didn't realise being objective was now termed middle ground fallacy. That's a good one!

@OwlInASack This middle-ground thing suggests that truth is the aggregate of different opinions. That's a very different thing to objectivity. It's not that long since the failings of the Democrats stuck in craws of many Americans. Now that's all forgotten. Do you really believe the Dems will bring you back to the Promised Land. It's an utterly corrupt country no matter who rules it.

@OwlInASack Well, I'm Irish so ditto. We have two opposing parties that are both slightly left of centre. The global economy calls the shots in Ireland. I understand the need for discernment but I suggest the choice is between the bad and the worse. Perhaps you might reply yes but say we're talking much, much worse. I'm not convinced because of the extremism of the polar views playing with facts. It's a grey area that people are claiming is black and white and I think they're wrong.

@dan325 The idea of equating the two has come from what I think is an incorrect understanding of the middle-ground fallacy in my case. It is not the same as looking at things objectively or making choices.

@OwlInASack I tend to think that, too, but then I wonder if I think it because I am on the left! But I support very strongly that we should not be looking for compromise as in middle-ground fallacy. If the choice is between supporting the poor and weak or giving further tax breaks to the rich and powerful it is a simple choice between right and wrong, moral and immoral. JC4PM!

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Didn't momma tell you not to play with the shit?

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