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Does anyone have thoughts on the relationship between free choice/thought and predetermined "plans" which are laid out in the various religions. If a Religion has a Plan for me or for all of mankind and the future is known, do I have free thought/choice at all?

Maxwell55 5 Jan 2
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I don't think there's any such thing as "free will." We don't choose to be born, we don't choose our gender, our sexuality, our family, our location, the times in which we will live, or the opportunities that will or will not come to us. We have "some" choice, but the challenge is figuring what what we can control, what we can't control, and what we can do in the midst of those parameters.

I like your comment. Since we do not choose to be born, should we be allowed to choose when, where and how we die? Should suicide be legal?

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I do not think there is free will but how would you create an experiment to demonstrate this?

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If the future is known? If you don't believe in the religion why would you believe in what they say about the future?

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I love loaded questions... I remember a famous saying by judge Judy. Would of, could of, should of. What does that mean?

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Astrology the stuff you read in the newspaper and print is all premeditation they present an idea around some obscure fact then you read it and you try and antique the situation. I just do it for fun, some live by the sword of predetermined fate. Free Will is much harder to determine because there is always a driving factor behind a preparation most cases it is greed but not always some do thing based on an emotional goal. To feel elated or looking for forgiveness in a past miss deed. Nothing is entirely untangled most people do the emotional response on a subliminal level. You can give a dollar to a homeless person and hope they buy food with it, in the back of your mind you might be contiplating if they are going to use that money for a intoxicating substance. You reward your food server with a tip this is because they helped you have a pleasant meal again an emotional response. I woul state if I had no choice that freewill is a precipitation to cirmstance.

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I do not think that the universe and all that it contains was predetermined by some omniscient being. However, I am more inclined to think that the universe is conditionally deterministic and runs on the basis of conditional determinism. For example, if you are walking down a street in your town tomorrow at a 15:00 and a friend is walking down the same side of the same street then at some point in time you will meet (of course,you could imagine a situation where the street is filled with thousands of people) however, given such a state of affairs, it is a conditional certainty that both of you will meet somewhere on that street at some point in time. If you or he are not on that street tomorrow at any given time then no such meeting or event will take place. The prevailing conditions give rise to a state of affairs, which, may be of extremely short duration or longer in the case of human interactions.

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I was once told that I was struggling because I was fighting destiny. Destiny, fate and god's will were all the same thing, and I wasn't going along with it. If I were to seek god's will and follow his guidance things would be awesome for me This was during my troubled believer stage and I tried to really process the information. Even then I saw the whole idea as rubbish.

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There is no relationship between the two. You have total choice on how to live your life. You may have constraints, economic, social etc. but you would "choose" to let any religious constraints in. Prime examples are Bruce Jenner changing his sex, poor kids growing up to be rich executives, paraplegics winning downhill races etc. Any "plan" tells you that you have no choice, rational thought and real world examples tell you that you do.

lerlo Level 8 Jan 3, 2018
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What "religion" may or may not be plannng for me is a ludicrous waste of time because frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.

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