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America is moving toward theocracy, so should atheists or agnostics care?

By Germaine
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You have made a fine example of a slippery slope fallacy. We aren't anything like a theocracy.

ElijahLaws Level 2 Oct 12, 2017
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Yeah, it's fallacy now for sure. Later, who knows?

And, it all depends on how one defines theocracy. Some folks claim we're there now. That's a stretch. Nonetheless, there's plenty of ambiguity in the constitution, so things can drift that way to a significant extent.

Gorsuch is a significant slip down the slope. Once Bader-Ginsberg goes, things can go into high gear. Trump's judicial nominees are all rather hard core Christians. The nest few years will be interesting. If Trump gets 3 supreme court picks, things will be really interesting. And, there is prospect of a state-called constitutional convention looming in the weeds. That could be a real game-changer, although odds are still against it.
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America has been a theocracy for a long time. I think it's moving away from a theocracy, and that's a good thing.

SassyShae Level 5 Oct 12, 2017
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why would I not care? its a secular country being over run by creationist and evangelics. though low in numbers, are loud and well funded,

MichaelSpinler Level 7 Oct 12, 2017
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Of course we should care, and stand up to protect out rights to not participate in religion.

Dylan Level 4 Oct 11, 2017
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There's certainly an element of authoritarianism at present, but it's not apparent to me that the US is moving towards a theocracy. Mid-terms are one year away, and the next presidential election is 3 years away. An opportunity to elect a new round of rascals!

tsjames Level 5 Oct 11, 2017
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I agree that predictions are error-prone. I don't know how the 2018 and 2020 elections will turn out.

Nonetheless, after seeing Gorsuch confirmed and seeing Bader-Ginsberg's frailty, and Trump's other judicial picks, things in the federal courts are likely to become much more theocratic than they are now. As far as I can tell, most republicans in congress seem to be just fine with ratcheting up religion in government.

With any luck, my concerns are misplaced.
You make a good point about picks for the Supreme Court.
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I'd like to see the data set OP is looking at.

Gigante Level 3 Oct 11, 2017
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Personally, I think the opposite is happening. What you see now, blasted all over the media, is imho, a sort of last ditch revivalism. Look at all these doomsday predictions, all these multimillionaire televangelists flaunting their material goods. I just don't think it's sustainable. I want to think people are smarter than that and will, at some point wake up and realize they've been hornswaggled (yes, I did use it), and begin to reject the nonsense wholesale. Maybe that sounds like wishful thinking, but I can't envision going the other way.

Bikersurfer Level 6 Oct 11, 2017
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I go back and forth on it. I agree that demographics seem to favor the secular side.

What I'm focused on at present is how frail Bader-Ginsberg is and how Trump relies on the the Federalist Society for judicial picks. Those folks are hard core Christian theocrats. Couple that with religious attitudes in most red states and one can at least argue the situation is in flux. If nothing else, the religious right is putting up one heck of a rear guard fight. The effects of that can last for at least two generations.
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It may be rising but it seems to be rising slowly.

Harleyman Level 5 Oct 11, 2017
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I'm not sure. While it appears we are atheism/agnosticism is on the rise, but the news will never report that. But in my opinion that is the scary part, the lack of news coverage or rather the increase news coverage of religion.

ajr715 Level 4 Oct 11, 2017
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Never gonna happen, it would get in the way of the extant plutocracy.

Rajmarax Level 3 Oct 11, 2017
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I think you should read the definition of theocracy...and there's no danger of America becoming one. That sounds more like anti-Trump sentiment and fear mongering. The U.S. is a free country with a Constitution that may as well be written in stone.

RodimusPrime Level 2 Oct 11, 2017
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