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Hi.I really need a like minded friend to help me with a conversation that I'm having with a theist.Im asking for proof of his claims.He comes back with " in a purposeless universe that comes about by accident there are no morals right or wrong or evil."I can't get past this moral argument.Can there be an answer?Please help.Thank.

Diddsdad 4 Jan 8
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Th concepts of morals and good and evil are human constructs based on biological imperatives and the social needs of the group; you really don't need to take it any further, his response is not evidence it is an admission of the lack there of.

Hi Thanks for the reply.I have a response from him.Can you please take a crack at an answer.I think it's just a way of refusing to answer my questions.Hi Keith,
The only way you can have a problem with the atrocities that you say are in the Bible, is if you accept that there's an absolute moral standard by which to hold them by. Otherwise you have no basis on which to call them atrocities.
It is not logical to hold the Bible and God to an absolute standard of morality that you don't believe exists.
And if you think morals evolved over long periods of time, you're assuming that the things that you think are absolutely right or wrong now, we're also absolutely right and wrong then. But according to what you think, the things that you think are atrocities back then, may have been totally acceptable, because those morals hadn't 'evolved' to what you think they should be. Again, you are holding God to an absolute standard that you and other Atheists don't believe in.
Like I've said before, it's obvious that there's an absolute moral standard in this universe, I don't even need to prove it because people demonstrate it every day, every time you watch the news or read a newspaper. You demonstrate it when you talk about good and evil, right and wrong, and when you talk about atrocities.
And the only reason there's an absolute moral standard in this universe is because of God. There's no way round it.
It's also not a logical argument to say that morals 'evolved' over long periods, but then accuse people or God for not living up to what you think morals are now, because like I said, it would have been 'moral' then because that was the accepted standard. What you are still doing is holding God and the people back then to your absolute moral standard, which you say doesn't exist.
This is not logical or reasonable Keith.
It is a delusion to continue saying that there's no absolute moral standard, but all the while holding God and other people to an absolute moral standard.
It's a different thing to say, "God, I know You're there, but I just don't understand why you allowed certain things to happen in the Bible, and I don't know why you let certain things happen today, but I'd like to understand."
It is not ok to say,
"God, I don't even believe in you, or your Bible, but I don't like what you did in the Bible and what you do today, it's evil. Oh, and by the way, I don't even believe there's evil!"

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