What happens after a human being dies?
To me, this is one of the easiest questions about life and death to answer. Not only is the answer painfully obvious but all of us, nonbelievers and believers, are able to imagine afterlife right here and right now. To do this all we have to do is 'remember' life before birth. Where were we then? What were we doing? What were we? We were nowhere and we were doing nothing. For an unimaginably long period of time, all the time that precedes our birth, we simply didn't exist in any shape or form, and following our death we will again become nonexistent for all the time that has yet to pass, forever. Our bones is all that will remain, and in time the bones themselves will perish forever.
'Ashes to ashes, dust to dust'
Realizing this and thinking about it just for a moment quickly brings about a feeling of indescribable sadness, imagining that we will never again see our loved ones, and makes the reason for the desire for more life, the afterlife, quite obvious. Hence, God.
What are your thoughts on this? How do you cope with the realization that this life is all there is, and all that there will ever be, forever and ever?
I use the “where were you before you were born” question also. However I believe that I was an involved part of the universe in unsentient form. Scientifically we know that energy cannot be destroyed, only changed from one form to another. When “I” die, the essence,spirit, soul, energy (whatever you choose to call it) will leave this body and return to the beauty of the universe to be used for whatever the universe needs at the moment of my “death”. I will have had a short time of existence as human, but I believe there are multiple billions of energy existences. I sometimes think it would be nice to move on to be a bit of energy enervating a new born star, joining the energy of a nova or comet. I believe that my “energy” will continue on in a form that I won’t “know” as I currently know I am human. But that is ok as the universe is incredible and “I” will always be some part of it. I don’t need the absurd religious belief of a heavenly abode where I will dwell forever worshiping the monstrosity that passes as the god of humans. The power of the universe is enough.
When we die, all devout, good Christians will go to heaven and spend eternity learning to play the garp, while all non-Christians will go to hell, i.e. a section of heaven where they will be tortured for eternity by zillions of Christians creating a cacaphony of horrible sounds of idiots who can never learn to play the harp.
I am actually a fan of noise, the genre of music, that is. I don't know about eternity of harps, though. It would be too repetative.
As the famous philosopher Bertrand Russell testified at the Senate McCarthy hearings witchhunt when asked what he thought would happen to him when he died, "I think that when I die, I shall rot".
'I believe that when I die I shall rot, and nothing of my ego will survive. I am not young and I love life. But I should scorn to shiver with terror at the thought of annihilation. Happiness is nonetheless true happiness because it must come to an end, nor do thought and love lose their value because they are not everlasting. Many a man has borne himself proudly on the scaffold; surely the same pride should teach us to think truly about man's place in the world. Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cosy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigour, and the great spaces have a splendour of their own.'
So we are like the animals. They don't get anything better according to the religionists.
Although if you tend to lean towards the eastern religions, we will all come back as a dog, or slug, or butterfly.
None of which posses consciousness at a human level, so we might as well come back as a blade of grass or a cloud or grains of sand.
We don't know for sure what is in store for us after death. There's no conclusive evidene concerning the existence or non-existence of a life after death.
While there is no conclusive evidence that points one way or the other, from what we do know about reality and everything contained within it, it is entirely unreasonable to believe that consciousness can and does survive the death of the body.
Simply choose to live with "purpose" in doing our best to leave a decent, stable, and hopefully enjoyable planet to future generations going forward far in time, and resist falling for the honesty- and insight-lacking notion that, despite that complete lack of clear evidence, we are somehow completely unlike all other forms of life on earth and will somehow Not return to dust. Yolo can be done with joy, energy, And responsibility and honesty.
If life was infinite it would have zero value.
True, there has to be death for there to be life.
I just wish it was a little longer than 70 - 80 years (if you're lucky), given that there is so much time in the universe.
Evolution requires multiple generations, so the longer the lifespan of an organism the slower Evolution proceeds.
@JimiYugo, it's not that slow. We've observed Evolution in bacteria in hours and in insects in decades.
I take great relief from seeing death as final. For one, it mean the evil that lives in people is snuffed out, instead of merely transported elsewhere.
As for myself, I feel I was not meant to live for ever.
All is entropy. Even if we had immortal souls, we would degrade after death. Lose what makes us who we are and become something very different. An endless cycle of the destruction of self.
I would rather not exist than experiencing that infinity.
It's been painful enough to have lost all that I used to be over the course of not-quite-a-life span.
The sadness that you refer to is exactly why religions were invented. I was always taught that you would see your loved ones again in heaven, we would all be around 30 years old in appearance, and yet we would all know each other, etc. Oh, come on! Where did this crap come from?? It's not even in the Buybull.
Not a problem, We , as human, see life as the all be all rather than what it really is. I , the being , was nowhere before birth, this entity did not exist yet so to think we were somewhere before birth is incorrect. We were not present before we were. After our bodies wear down or get killed off, the balance of energy does not change at all. This life is merely a entertainment center for the brain. After the brain is dead, no longer functioning, our reality no longer exist. But to what energy system my atoms join with after death is exciting .
Not very exciting at all. As a matter of fact it is entirely uneventful.
@JimiYugo Yes it is uneventful. When people experience trauma, the mind removes the person from the reality of it. You may have a limb severed and immediately you go into shock , Meaning the experience itself is NOT experienced the way everyday life sees it. Uneventful is the way it goes.
The way I see it, we'll all be together again one day. In the earth. That's comforting enough for me to know.
We are all made of star dust. And so one day we shall return.
What? You mean ... I'm going to die? Oh, crap. And I had such great plans.
What were your great plans?
@JimiYugo -- One was to be around when the Galactic Federation was formed. Another was to be among the first settlers to land on Proxima Centauri b, then a bit later to land on Gliese 581g. I suspect I may have to forego those if dead I shall be.
@evidentialist Those were rather modest plans. I'm disappointed that my death will prevent me from seeing how the history of our universe, and all the other possible universes and whatever else lies beyond, will turn out.
@JimiYugo -- It's a result of my upbringing. Moderation in all things, ya know.
@evidentialist Good quality.
I have never understood what is so hard about accepting that our time on this earth is limited, like every other living creature, and when it is over, it’s over. Human narcissism seems to know no bounds. The idea that as humans we are so incredibly important that we should exist in some form forever. Even though we reproduce at an alarming rate, use and destroy natural resources at unsustainable rates, cause extinctions of other creatures by our greed among other wonders. If we make such a mess of our planet (millions of tons of trash floating around the oceans, millions of tons of pollution in our air), imagine a place where all the human population lives forever! No thanks!
Does the sadness I feel for the loss of my loved ones equate to narcissism?
@JimiYugo grieving has nothing to do with the idea that somehow because we are humans we deserve to live forever. We all miss those who die, be it your family member, friend or pet. But coming up with the idea that they are all floating around out there someplace waiting for us is at best a coping mechanism, but more like a fantasy to allow people to not accept the finality of death. Enjoy the memories you have of your loved ones, time spent with them, and do it often.
@Barnie2years Where do I say that 'because we are humans we deserve to live forever'?
@JimiYugo, quoting you: Realizing this and thinking about it just for a moment quickly brings about a feeling of indescribable sadness, imagining that we will never again see our loved ones, and makes the reason for the desire for more life, the afterlife, quite obvious. Hence, God.
If we think that we are so special that our lifespan needs to be extended forever into another realm, that is the wish to live forever. Whether you believe it or not was not my point. It is however one of the reasons people hold onto their religious beliefs.
@Barnie2years Feeling sadness caused by having to part with loved ones, and wishing we could have more time to be with each other, does not make me a greedy narcissist who thinks that I deserve to live forever, that I am so special my existence needs to extend beyond the life that I am living. I'm just intensely sad, for very brief moments of time, that all this incredible love will one day forever be gone. Am I demanding I be given eternal life? No, nowhere did I write that. Do I believe that I deserve immortality because death saddens me? No. Am I struggling with my mortality? No. All this other stuff that you are talking about has nothing to do with the point I'm making, it being melancholy that is caused by thoughts of the eternal void.
By the way, you may think of the human race as this powerful destructive entity, polluting, killing and destroying (and we certainly are, there is no denying that) but the only harm we are really causing is to ourselves. Beyond our own planet we don't stand a chance. As far as the universe is concerned our efforts are about as significant as those of an ant trying to pollute the universe. As bad as we are (and we are) we might as well be ants, the immensity of the universe (and possibly universes and multiverses) is beyond our comprehension. We are more insignificant than we can imagine, and so is our millions of tons of pollution, even if it existed forever. The universe would hardly notice any of it.
Knowing that this is all there is makes it that much more precious.
Also, the realization that my own being is the result of a pulling together and organization of a collection of atoms guided by a genetic program, and the knowledge that these atoms come from rocks and water and trees and butterflies and before that they were forged inside stars and after I'm dead they will be parts of ants and worms and bacteria and butterflies again makes me understand that they are not really mine but are only on loan to me. I'm ok with that.
Me too, we are the fabric of space and time just as much as anything and everything else, but how do you feel about never seeing your loved ones ever again? Aside from being okay with that (you have no choice I'm the matter) how does it make you feel?
@JimiYugo
I will miss any of my people who die before me, but after I'm dead I won't think about it at all. I won't think about anything. Period.
@Flyingsaucesir Obviously I am asking how you feel about it now, not after you die lolo
@JimiYugo
Yeah I will miss them. ?
@Flyingsaucesir And that makes you sad, yes? As opposed to happy or indifferent.
@JimiYugo
Yes but I try not to dwell on it.
@Flyingsaucesir Me too, I don't want to feel sad.
I just make this point that one appalling delusion of modern Christianity is that they convince believers that when they die they rise to heaven to God and Jesus and to meet all their past friends and family, including their favourite grandma and pet dog Boo Boo from when they were a kid. Serious bible scholars like Bart Urhmann and atheists like Sam Harris point out that the bible says no such thing. Some vague statements are peddled to suggest this myth, but mostly the bible says that when you die you are dead, and maybe if God and Jesus get around to it, in godly not human time, you might be reaped up as a believer to the kingdom of God. It's hardly clear or very encouraging. So, Christian afterlife isn't that much of a promise, at best. But most of them don't know that. Believer or non believer, when you die you are dead.
I personally find my belief that there's no afterlife comforting. I have this life to do with what I want (at least to some extent) then I flicker out like a candle. I agree that the idea of not seeing others in an afterlife is sad. OR IS IT??? Now I'm going to get a little weird. Maybe one reason I'm not bothered by not having an afterlife is that I have never seen any depiction of an afterlife that I saw as any more appealing as life here. My parents didn't particularly like me and I didn't like one of my grandmothers at all. I have two ex-husbands that I'd just as soon never see again. Even if I liked either of them, each had previous wives and subsequent wives. So how does that get sorted out?? Whoever dislikes him the least? (Please don't jump down my throat -- I'm kidding.) And I'm someone who needs to be doing something almost constantly. I can't imagine floating around in a white robe with wings and a halo doing nothing. The afterlives I've seen in science fiction aren't much more appealing.
I sort of look at dying as like wandering into a really great bar about fifteen minutes before closing time. You wish you had more time to stay, but you don't. They're going to throw you out so they can go home. Of course I'd rather not leave my daughter, but she'll do well without me when the time comes. Besides, I used to tell my students that I thought my generation (Baby Boomers) were holding back a lot of the advancement on social issues and things would get better when we died and got out of the way.