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RobertMartin 8 Nov 25
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Fuck your guns and your 2nd amendment.

How can the Constitution of the United States be snubbed. It is the law of the land.

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"Property right." Some people have a religious faith about this "right," and those who do also oftentimes have religious faith in "right to bear arms."

These "rights" don't exist independent of the social power structure that defines them. The idea of democracy is to define the social power structure among ourselves, and do so rationally, not by blind faith.

Think about it. Do I then have the right to own a nuclear weapon? Heroine? Child porn? If you say no to any of such thing, you are conceding to the notion that a society has power to limit or restrict "property right." Of course it does. It always had. The "property right" is what the society, or rather the powerful members of that society, allow you to have.

Once we accept this, then the above meme makes no sense, and in fact is quite misleading. It is a mere regurgitation of the propaganda that the powerful has fed you to indoctrinate you. The irony is that you think that the "property right" and the "right to bear arms" makes you free.

When in fact they do exactly the opposite.

You can't say, "but I will use it for good, not for evil." Apply that logic to a nuclear weapon. The US government has them with purported reason to keep peace and self-defense. Why, then, can't you have them for the same reason? Isn't that an "arm"?

What saddens me the most about this "debate" is the extraordinary length people would go, and extraordinary number of children's lives that they are willing to pay as costs, to deceive themselves with the trite propaganda fed by the powerful to justify the control of the very people who spout their love of "freedom" in lauding the "property right" and the "right to bear arms."

What you own is supposed to be all our business in a rational and democratic society. But in reality, what you own is in fact THEIR (the powerful and the rich) BUSINESS. In more ways than one.

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Because this is still (just barley) The United States and Ill say whatever the fucdk I want, And nobody gets killed when I do.. .

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Kurt Russell is the man.

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Umm... because you might kill me with it? I mean, duh.

I'm no murderer. Guns are supposed to be used

  1. For hunting
  2. Self defense/protection.

@RobertMartin And an AR-15 is useless for both.

But sorry, I didn't have my magical brain scanning powers switched on to detect that you were a good guy.
Until those magical powers kick in, maybe it would be a good idea to have some effective legislation to prevent weapons who's designed purpose is to kill people falling into into the hands of nut jobs?
Y'know, like we do with cars, chemicals and other things that have a proven track record of killing lots of people.

@MrBeelzeebubbles Yeah, as if drunk driving laws actually stop drunk people from getting behind the wheel, or texting on their gizmos and cause a crash. When are people going to wake up and realize criminals and ignorant people do not obey laws, and with thriving black markets available to do business on the black web crazy folks will be able to acquire firearms if they want them that bad, no "magical gun control laws" are going to stop that. Some of the worse mass shootings in the US have occured in liberal progressive states with the toughest gun control laws, oh well so much for that.

Furthermore, you say an AR-15 is useless for hunting, oh really now? Did you ever go hunting with one, please by all means do share your experience Mr Bubbles, a curious mind wants to know. If your answer be no, then I would say you lack the experience necessary to make such a bold statement as you did. If your answer is yes (I see you're from the UK so I'd bet you never even picked up an AR-15 before), please provide some evidence, I promise I won't freak out if you post a photo on here of you holding and or hunting with an AR-15, as inanimate objects don't frighten me. I'm "agnostic" until evidence is presented.

@RobertMartin Though I have a CCP I have yet to use my guns in self defense... (Other than shooting 15 rounds from my Glock into a pile of leaves on Thanksgiving to send a message to some shooters that they were getting a little too close to my house! They stopped!)

You forgot Target shooting. I don't hunt and wouldn't unless I couldn't afford meat. But I love putting holes in paper!

@SpikeTalon Right so we should tighten up traffic laws AND firearm restrictions by your logic.

Actually, I'm originally from semi-rural Australia, Nowra in NSW. An AR-15? No, but I used to be a member of the local gun club, and owned a Ruger 22 for 50/100m prone, and a Lee Enfield (well, made under licence by Lithgow Light Arms) .303 bolt action for historical. Have tried out a few handguns and automatic rifles (AK47, M16, L1A1 SLR and SKS45 from memory) because our town was near a couple of navy bases, so there was a lot of serving and ex military guys at the local range.

Have also helped with feral pest control - mainly pigs, goats and cats, as they're a huge problem for the native wildlife in Australia. Used the .303 for pigs ('cause they're gigantic, vicious bastards) and goats ('cause they're clever bastards), and a mate's .22 for the feral cats.

And if you need an AR-15 to take down a deer, them you really shouldn't have a gun, 'cause you can't shoot for shit.

See, but then a funny thing happened. A nutter armed with an L1A1 and an AR-15 shot 50 people and killed 35 of them in Port Arthur in 1996, and the government said 'Right, fun's over, no more bloody guns' and Australia said 'Yeah, fair enough'.

And guess what? No mass shootings since then. There was one every couple of years preceding that, but since the restrictions and buyback happened?

Not
Bloody
One
In
22
Bloody
Years.

American gun laws are a bit like your health system: a fucking stupid way to do shit, which is why NO-ONE else in the world does it that way.

@Veteran229 sigh. Again with the dodgy stats. Look, I'm sorry that reality has such a terrible liberal bias, but you really need to dig something up that takes less than 30 seconds to debunk.
[factcheck.org]
The NRA had been pushing this line for decades, and it continues to be bullshit.

@Veteran229 Notice how when you provide sources the other side wants to simply dismiss it?

@MrBeelzeebubbles Never said I personally needed an AR-15 for hunting, my point there was that it's no one else's business what someone owns. If people aren't killing each other with guns, then they will find other means of doing so. If we had even more tighter restrictions on gun ownership in the US, it still wouldn't be enough to deter criminals. I really get a kick out of those who blame the weapon for the crime instead of the individual, right folks just blame an inanimate object like an AR-15 for a shooting...

@SpikeTalon yes, it is funny that when I supply sources you want to dismiss me.

@MrBeelzeebubbles I'd contend both sides play those games...

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One? Thats adorable. we're up to 300+ reasons this year alone and still counting. We'd all thank AR15 owners for keeping their reasons away from our business, but no luck with that so far. As soon as everyone with access to an AR15 starts purely minding their business with it, youll have a fantastic point. Until that mythical day, psychopaths keep having this pesky habit of using those AR15s to talk bullets into rapidly invading our business.

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