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"Therefore, if you wish to avoid dictatorship by referendum, break up modern society's merely functional collectives into self-governing, voluntarily co-operating groups, capable of functioning outside the bureaucratic systems of big business and big government." From Aldous Huxley's Brave New World & Brave New World Revisited, page 93-94

THHA 7 Dec 2
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Ehh we’re gonna have to break up with our country first for that to work. Every time some capitalist fuck discovers that parts of our society is practicing anarchy they immediately run to the government to get them to outlaw your activities and to keep coming to them for everything that you need.

So unless we actually put a stop to the practice of lobbyists recruiting politicians for 7 figure salaries we will not ever own ourselves let alone our country.

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Nice idea if everyone thought the same! Great for a while until the fractures show and spilt into factions. One becomes two in competition for resources. Charismatic leaders gifted in rhetoric take the reins and off we go again. Utopia is an aspiration not an outcome, the same as reaching the horizon.

Utopia is unattainable, simply because change is inevitable, even if a utopia were established, it would be destroyed by change.

@THHA Exactly.

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I'm inclined to believe that democracy has a maximum size. I observe this to be around 3 million voters.

Have you looked into the democratic functional countries around the world. How about the skandinavian countries.

@Jolanta Yes, I'm studying Politics.

@Sofabeast Good for you, so what is your verdict on the skandinavian countries political systems then.

@Jolanta I've still got more to do study wise, but as a simple comparative with the UK/USA. They appear to be more inclusive and engaging with the needs of the people. They tend to use proportional vote systems rather than first past the post (FPTP), which I'm sure you know isn't really democratic. It is where I see the ideal maximum of around 3.5 million voters being useable. As can be seen in the UK with Brexit at the moment. FPTP polarises people. Humanity hasn't yet found the right option, but the Scandinavian mindset outwardly looks like it at least attempts to find it.

@Sofabeast I think the problem in the UK in relation to brexit is that the population was being hoodwinked. The ones who voted to leave, did it mainly on the grounds of immigration. They thought that it would stop it. Little did they know that they did not need to leave to stop it and now a lot of them are sorry. Just wait and see when they will have to pay more for their imports and the farmers there will not be able to export as much as they did.

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