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SETI’s Catch-22: Part Two.

I would have to assume, that ET, from the first visit, all those years ago (thousands, millions, even billions of years ago) wouldn’t have tagged Planet Earth as just another hunk of planetary debris, unworthy of any ongoing interest. From the get-go, Planet Earth would have showed unusual traits – an atmosphere, not so much; a lithosphere, not so much; a hydrosphere, yes indeed, very much; but especially a biosphere, very, very, very much.

If ET has any scientific curiosity worthy of the name, same as our SETI scientists are curious about ET, then Planet Earth would not only be routinely tagged and entered into the alien’s database, but uniquely tagged as an abode worthy of an advanced rate of follow-up visitations. We would be monitored, maybe not 24/7, but more frequently than once every 450,000 to 45,000 years.

But even if that interval had been maintained, well that puts visitations well within the range of the time when modern humans were already established as the future if not already the dominant lords and masters of Planet Earth. By Jove our ET neighbours would be certainly stepping up surveillance of this development. They’d obviously want to keep tabs on whether or not our intelligence might ever prove to be a threat to their intelligence, for just as Planet Earth can not hide from the scrutiny and surveillance of ET, so to ET can not hide from ours, once we start to boldly go.

So, ET radio transmissions good; but ET visitations bad! I don’t think so, and any SETI scientist who suspects otherwise is akin to the proverbial ostrich’s head surveying that sand dune.

Translated, any ET with smarts who knows about us from visitations millennia ago; millions of years ago, would be here now keeping a watchful eye on us. Sorry SETI scientists, UFOs are a logical outcome of this scenario, and if you fail to see this, well, you’re in a Catch-22 situation; you’re between a rock and a hard place!

SETI is in a Catch-22 because on the one hand SETI scientists cannot reject ETI here at the same time searching for and accepting the presence of ETI out there when both possibilities are equally plausible. SETI scientists cannot search for ETI out there, yet refuse to search for ETI locally when the evidence for both is technically the same. SETI scientists say there’s no evidence (or poor evidence) for ETI here – yet there’s (to date) no evidence (or poor evidence) for ETI out there, yet they stake their professional careers on ETI out there and rubbish ETI here. How so the rubbishing?

Of course the SETI scientists counter that each of the threads of ETI having been then or now on Earth are weak-in-the-knees when it comes to solid evidence. Roswell is weak; UFO abduction cases are weak; the UFO conspiracy or cover-up case is weak; UFO photographs and videos are weak; UFO radar cases are weak; the case for von Daniken’s ancient astronauts is weak; the ghost rocket sightings (1946) are weak; contactee claims are especially weak; UFO eye-witness reports are unreliable, etc. But, put them (and much more besides) all together and like all good detective stories combine/integrate all the clues into one composite whole (after separating out the wheat from the chaff and eliminating the red herrings) then the whole is more than the sum of the parts. You get a consistent pattern that emerges; not the radio signal patter-of-little-dots-and-dashes the SETI scientist wants but a nuts-and-bolts and a here-and-now pattern.

Now admittedly any one of a hundred different and independent threads might in itself be not all that convincing, but then all 100 are woven together – that’s a different duck of another colour. It’s like if it looks like a duck – it may not be a duck. If it flies like a duck – it may not be a duck. If it walks like a duck – it may not be a duck. If it swims like a duck – it may not be a duck. If it quacks like a duck – it may not be a duck. But if it looks, flies, walks, swims and quacks like a duck – then it’s a duck!

But there’s another quirk on the part of SETI scientists; the ultimate Catch-22: As already noted, SETI scientists in general are on record as stating that there’s “poor” or “crummy” evidence overall for the rival UFO ETH or ‘ancient astronauts’ and as such, are topics not worthy of a SETI scientist’s time and presumably that of any physical scientist or indeed any scientist full stop. Yet the evidence collected for ETI out there in the depths of interstellar space in traditional SETI-land, 50 years plus on, is equally as poor whether there is one SETI “WOW” signal (as usually highlighted in SETI books) or a 1000 SETI mini-wow signals of unknown origin, but strongly suspected to have ultimate terrestrial origins. SETI scientists have come no closer to providing the ETI ‘smoking gun’ as has Erich Von Daniken [‘ancient astronauts’] or Stanton Friedman [UFO ETH].

At best that’s an attitude or a philosophy that is inconsistent at best and perhaps a contradiction at worst within the SETI community. In fact, it’s a downright double standard. If I were a young scientist just starting out, would I consider SETI? Probably not because there’s so little evidence of such poor quality that’s emerged over five long decades that I’d think I’d probably be wasting my time and throwing my career away. So, whether it’s SETI or UFOs or ‘ancient astronauts’ it’s all equally piss-poor evidence, but at least it’s a level, playing field. It’s still quite plausible that an amateur UFO buff or an archaeologist may yet scoop SETI to the ETI punch.

My ultimate conclusion and recommendation to those between the irresistible force and the immoveable object is to not put all your SETI eggs in the EM basket.

johnprytz 7 Dec 20
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I know that there's ETs. It's not a belief, it's just knowledge like the basic knowledge that the earth is 4 billion years old that the earth is round. It's just knowledge.
I got to go to sleep, please reply so I can share some books you should read on the subject. Don't worry, they're down to earth.

Well @johnprytz, I wasn't going to recommend a John A Keel book for your simply not going to accept his research. The book that I was going to recommend was American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology
by D.W. Pasulka, professor of religious studies at the University of North Carolina Wilmington.

And there's proof all around and people have collected evidence. The reason why you won't accept it is that you're "looking for extraordinary evidence" which is such a relative term. It's basically the equivalent of Ken Ham saying no amount of proof will convince me of evolution.

@johnprytz If you watch the documentary Patient Seventeen and read the book The 37th Parallel: The Secret Truth Behind America's UFO Highway, you would have learned that having evidence and getting it tested leads to the disappearance of such evidence.
Jacques Vallee has been doing talks at several UFO conferences where he presents the finding of of materials from UFOs and their landing sites. And if you ever read the book "Fact, Fiction, and Flying Saucers," Stanton Freidman talks about a story of trying to hand evidence of an landing over to Seth Shostak, and he refused the evidence which brings me back to my point, waiting for extraordinary evidence is a waste of time.
If you read the book "Hunt for the Skinwalker: Science Confronts the Unexplained at a Remote Ranch in Utah," suggested that you treat the phenomenon as if you worked for the CIA for the phenomenon wants to remain a secret.
I've liken everything of the Paranormal to the Looney Toons cartoon Of Michigan J. Frog. You know the frog that sings and dances but once you put it on stage for all the world to see it just croaks like a normal frog. That's the nature of the Paranormal in a nutshell, always on the edge of being proven a fake.

That book I posted earlier, "American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology" it's very important for the UFO is becoming like a religion and you and I who are interested in this field should be educated from all angles on the subject.

@johnprytz Then in the end, your not looking for any proof. You know in in Keel's last book, Haunted Planet, he describes how people just ignore the evidence right in front of their faces.
Did you know life evolved on other planets, even on planets other than Earth right here in our solar system. Does anyone ask why Mars is red? Does any one ask why Australia is red and connect the two? The proof is staring us right in the face that Mars had life on it at one time but because we are looking for that "extraordinary evidence", well it's ignored. And because of ignoring that evidence, we ask ourselves silly questions, "are we alone?"
And aren't books a way of transmitting information, points of views and ideas? Keel was a journalist and did what journalist do, investigated stories and reported them. So to what you said and I quote: "What people claim in a book is NOT proof of anything." So does that mean when a reporter writes a book like Chris Hedges or Thomas Frank and they site where they get their info isn't proof of anything? According to your words it is.

And if didn't read books about the paranormal, I wouldn't come to understanding the subject the way I did. Everything in the paranormal can be summed up to a Michigan J Frog cartoon. It sings and dances and when you take Mr frog before a audience, he does nothing. If they created the cartoon this day in age, we would have seen the frog singing and dancing on youtube. Everyone who seen the cartoon knows that frog sings and dances, but because it didn't do it before a group of people, it's not proof of anything.

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"I would have to assume,..."

Right there is where you should have s stopped.

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