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How do you feel about assisted suicide at the end of your journey in this life. I am definitely in favor of it. I was a nurse for 40 years and saw too much suffering. I wish it was legal in my state. And, I don't know if this is allowed on here, but what means would the common person use. I am not in any way ready , nor do I have any illness or plans for this. I'm just one who thinks ahead.

crazycat329 7 Feb 4
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I am against assisted suicide. As a nurse, I have seen suffering too, however no person is an island and I think there is no real way to be sure that this is the individual's own desires or someone elses'. Already in some countries, we are seeing assisted suicide of the mentally ill, children and I even read about someone who was intractably obese being assisted to end his life (assisted as he wasn't able to). I think it is a very quick leap to 'assist' those 'undesirables' in society. I cannot comment on someone taking their own life, that is a personal choice but we never have the right to assist someone to end theirs. People are not sophisticated enough.

I suppose coming from the same county as Harold Shipman, I have a different view. I once cared for an elderly lady who told me that every time she saw her granddaughter she would complain about their cramped home. The old lady told me that if she went the house would be available for her grandaughter and that was why she wanted to end her life (she was refusing all interventions). I said, but don't you want to live and she said, 'its not about me now is it'. We have not made sophisticated enough tests to ensure another person is not influencing us. I hate seeing people suffer and it crushes me when someone tells me they want to die. My usual response is, 'do you want to die or do you want this suffering to end?' I have never encountered anyone who said they wanted just to die. For the most part the members on this site are intelligent and thoughtful but most people just aren't. We can convince people they are a burden when they really aren't, we can convince people their suffering cannot be relieved when it can.

I’m an RN too. There’s zero nobility in suffering.

I’ve told my family, no one has the right to make me get painful treatment and/or ‘live’ in agony; don’t even ask. I’ve seen, especially in Hospice, family begging and/or coercing the patient to try one more round of chemo, get a feeding tube, see another specialist, etc, because THEY can’t let go.

For me, a mentally competent adult can choose. Mental illness, big gray area.

@Amisja , I'm in reasonable good health and sound mind. And I've been telling my daughter for years to help me out when the end comes. I've seen to much death and the pain it caused the dying person. If a dying person wants to die they should be allowed to discuss it with their doctor. Their doctor should be able to help. Period.

@CarolinaGirl60 No I agree with that.

@CarolinaGirl60 I suppose it is the difference between taking one's life and assisting someone else. It is too dangerous to place that decision in someone else's hands.

@Amisja That’s why the states that allow it have a process, and the person gets the meds and takes them home. At that point, it’s there if they want it.
A great documentary on the topic is How to Die in Oregon.

@CarolinaGirl60 That isn't assisted suicide. I can do that...32 paracetamol and I'm done for. That is suicide (no chance btw, I am way way too nosey for that)

@Amisja You’d die of liver failure, which might not be as fast as desired. With Nembutal ( most used drug), it’s minutes. I agree it should be called ‘assisted dying’. Those who get the drugs are terminally ill already.

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I've always said that the day I judge myself to be burden or potential liability to my family I will quietly go away and end it all rather than drag them down with me, even if they want to.

Me too...I will maybe check into a nice hotel, take a bunch of sleeping pills, sit in the tub, and have a blood-letting.

@LenHazell, when my mother was dying the nurse said she could have a morphine injection every two hours and asked if I wanted mom to have it that often. I told her to give mom every dose and not miss one. If that helped ease her out of this world I can live with it just fine.

@freeofgod absolutely, that Morphine is a dying person's best friend.

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I am in favour of it. However we must be careful about its use and abuse.
Firstly, our life belongs to us, and therefore cannot belong to another person or society.
Secondly, having seen this from my fathers perspective and that of my wife, who both died at the end of illnesses. He had had his time and wanted to go on his terms with family and friends around him having a good laugh, his music and probably a drink or five too. Instead he had to starve himself to death, waiting for his body to finally fail. Due to commitments I couldn't be with him at the end, I was nursing my wife through chemotherapy a 1000km north. So that wasn't nice for me or him. Then with my wife, she asked me some years before her untimely death to 'finish her' when the time came. I refused, but at her end, she changed her mind and wanted to live, she didn't want to leave me. Instead the NHS had to dehydrate her to death. She passed during the early hours of a Sunday, but her cognitive functions ceased on a Thursday afternoon. Just the last part of her brain stem operating the automatic functions. As a veterinary surgeon, she had put to sleep many 'furry family members' when their time came, she understood that at that point, it only serves to cause pain to family and friends by keeping a dead body alive. Choice and dignity.

There is no dignity to dying. But there should be choice on when.

@freeofgod One can be allowed to die with dignity, but death does not bring dignity with it when one is FORCED to linger whilst waiting for it simply because of some archaic Bronze Age system of out-dated, ridiculous belief.

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I’m 110% for it and as someone who’s watched people die a slow and suffering death due to disease, cancer or even worse the treatments for cancer I want to have that option and I believe that everyone else should as well.

Our country needs to put humanity before profit.

@48thRonin, like corporations are ever going to let anything come between them and profit. And hospitals are nothing but for profit.

@freeofgod I don’t know how much are you willing to risk in order to make them know that we are the majority?
Apparently by your answer you’ve already accepted defeat.

Oh and you’re wrong about hospitals as well. While there are a majority that are for profit there has been a growing trend over the last couple of years of hospitals not just switching to non profit but also replacing their leadership positions with doctors and even nurses.

And even more unbelievable than that there’s even a few co operative facilities where they’re owned by the cities and they share what’s needed including treatment information.

All of this might be small and in limited locations but it’s as they say “ trending “

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Yes. I think sometimes the merciful thing to do is end suffering. I watched my mother waste away both mentally and physically and there was nothing I could do but in the same type of situation with my dog, I was able to end the suffering with a final act of love and kindness. I seriously wanted to smother my mom with a pillow at the end it was so bad. While I was sad when she passed, my main emotion was relief that it was over for her.

I understand. My mom suffered with Alzheimers for 6 years. I was envious of my friends whose mom's with Alzheimers died within several months. It was horrible to watch my mom lose any bit of dignity, any spark of independence. After she fell and broke her hip, she was chair or bed bound for her last couple years. Didn't know how to eat or open her mouth to be fed anymore. Knew none of us. Totally incontinent. I am terrified that I will become her. Nobody should have to live out their last years this way. A pillow over her face would have been merciful.

@crazycat329
I am so sorry you had to go through that. My mom lasted about 5 years in the nursing home and only the last year was to the point she couldn’t speak and didn’t know anyone. I can’t imagine doing it for any longer so I admire your strength to get through that.

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Absolutely 100% in favor of people being legally permitted to make their own decisions regarding their own lives.
Including how and when they end.

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I watched an academic documentary about the decision to turn off life support. It was produced for medical students to help them explain options to relatives. In recent years there have been a number of famous cases involving young children. I understand they caused contraversy in USA because children belong to parents in UK where as they don't here. Anyway they interviewed families who had taken the decision to turn off life support (assisted suicide of a sort). Most moved forward but notably a few families couldn't. One guy said, it is easy to say what you would do but you never know and that is the best way to view it. I can't imagine ever wanting to leave this world, but you never know.

As a 63 year old, I feel stronger in my resolve everyday to leave this world on my own terms. Hospice helps, but just doesn't go far enough.

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I'm all for assisted end of life. I decided this after watching my Mother, who was mobile with normal aging aches and pains, locked in a secured memory care facility. She had dementia but remembered us but often talked about us as if we were much younger. She cried a lot wanting to know what she had done wrong and how bad the guards were. She wasn't in prison but it felt like it to her. She was miserable for 3 or 4 yrs and even if her memory was scrambled, her emotions, whether rightly or wrongly deserved, were real. I hope my mental state lasts long enough that I know when the right time is.

Me, too.

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I hope I have the capacity and the courage to end my life once my health and quality of life are irreversably poor, but I would appreciate it if I could legally have a doctor aid me in doing this. If that is not an option by then, I will find a way even if I have to order the drugs by mail to do it.

Exactly,,,100 % how I feel.

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I feel it's a personal decision and not be controlled by the morality of a group.

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In favor. I have seen people slowly waste away and noticed neither dignity nor necessity in that.

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Completely agree. I don't like how people are forced to live through excruciating pain just to die. That could takes months or years even with "terminal" cases. Don't even get me started on becoming paralyzed. I was paralyzed for a short period of time after a fall when I was a teenager. Never have I been more afraid of anything else after that. I wouldn't want to live like that. Or with being in a coma or with cerebral.disorders, Not having lived the life I have already.

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I agree.

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I've seen death and the slow process of dying. I have a best friend with terminal cancer say "Living is hard, Dying is harder". It's a personal choice to end suffering and I believe in it. We are able to put our pets out of their misery, why should humans suffer?

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If the person is of sound mind but not body, I am for it. I watched my father inlaw beg his doctor to give him something to end his life, it was heartbreaking. A person should have the right to ask their doctor for meds they could take on their own to peacefully end their life.

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I support a person's right to choose it.

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It Will be kind to the terminally ill person.

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I'm very open about death and dying. I've talked to my adult children about it. After working in a nursing home most of my life, I saw too much. I saw children keeping mom or dad going with more procedures, more trips to the hospital, more IVs, more torture. Because " I'm not ready to lose mom/dad,yet". They know I never want to be a burden to them. They know I do not want to be in a nursing home. They know I couldn't bear to lose my quality of life. I told them, that when the time comes, I will find a way to leave this world on my own terms, and that they have to know this is what I wanted. Advanced directives are in place. Mausoleum niche bought. Urn bought. Just have to set up the cremation details.

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If ends the pain or the person in question won't have a decent life quality, I'm in favour.

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I would have voted for Jack Kevorkian for president.

palex Level 6 Feb 4, 2019
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Our society values longevity over quality. I've never understood that. In my industry I see people all the time who are suffering, in pain just waiting to die. Its heart breaking. We need better options.

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I’m in favor of it.
I was a Hospice RN and got misconceptions about it being the ‘same’ as euthanasia. I’ve heard the same about assisted suicide, but I disagree. It’s a valid choice for end of life, just as Hospice is.
I wish it was legal here, too.

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I have told all my children that if I ever contract an illness/disease/accident where my quality of life it essentially non-existent, that I want to be euthanized if at all possible. I do NOT want to be a burden to either myself or my family, and I do want want to be slobbering in the corner with no awareness of anything going on.

I also have a living will, and a POA with my youngest son listed. My youngest son lives with me and is well aware of what I want and don't want if something happens to me. He also is a hardheaded cajun and will make sure my wishes are heard. The only person I'm actually concerned about is my religious sister, but I feel (hopefully) I've taken cared of that by making sure my children know my wishes.

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Why can we not do for a person, with their wishes known, what we do for a beloved pet? My living will only goes so far.

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It should be the choice of the person involved. I do think it's important that the person that has asked for assisted suicide be given a small amount of time to contemplate and verify that is what they want for sure. My husband's brain cancer denied him a choice in that area. Eventually I had to make the decision to withdraw life support and that's a very hard decision when the person you love cannot communicate with you any longer. My father wanted to die during the last two months of his life but his decision wavered almost daily. In other words assisted suicide should be granted but there should be safe guards.

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