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On a philosophical level i was very disappointed at the response i got from my post on the teachers in vancouver leading the children in a demonsration against allowing pipelines to be put through to the BC coast.
what made the optics off this demonstration ridiculous to me was that these same teachers were also demanding a hefty pay increase in ongoing negotiations.
my point was simple. how the fuck is the govt going to be able to give them pay increases, let alone meet the payroll of 10s of thousands of employees, if these same employees were intent on preventing the govt from getting badly needed revenues from oil that the world needs & if they don't buy from us they'll just buy it elsewhere? i also pointed out that the idea of indoctrinating young children regardless of how pure they thought their cause was should be repugnant to supposed atheists.
the ppl that read my post couldn't have cared less about the incongruity of the teachers demands or the indoctrination of children. most of them just saw this as another opportunity to attack me personally as a climate denier, even though i never mentioned one negative thing about global warming.
it makes me question their motives & their intelligence. just proves that even ppl considered fairly intelligent can say & do stupid things.
the most glaring example was from mathias a german national who criticized me, implying that b/c i'm an old man i don't care about the future. not even considering that i might have grandaughters, which i do, 1 in her late teens, & probably soon greatgrandchildren.
what i found most egregious in his post was that he didn't even pick up on the evils of indoctrinating children. this from a citizen of a country that suffered horrendously as a result of child indoctrination in the not too distant past. could those ppl responsible for the death camps & the deaths of 6,000,000 jews have participated in those atrocities if they weren't so thoroughly indoctrinated as children?

callmedubious 8 Mar 26
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You tirade has some valid points. But you are connecting dots that are not within a reasonable distance.

And:: many millions more were killed in the two conflicts.

which 2 conflicts?

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Wow. So much vitriol.

i didn't intend to pour out vitriol. i made valid claims which they couldn't logically deny so they resorted to insults.

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I agree that children should not be led by teachers to political protests.

I disagree on the idea that one cannot be against the pipeline & for pay increases, as if that is the only way funds can be gathered.

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I can tell you that if those pipe lines burst once too often you will not have to worry about anything at all.

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From what I've seen of movement of children demonstrating for meaningful policy change to ward off pending climate doom, it is an organic movement driven by the kids themselves and often very much discomfiting to their supposed "indoctrinators". On Twitter, I follow @GretaThunberg, the Swedish 16 year old behind much of this, and think she is a remarkable and incredibly articulate and persuasive young lady. People like her give me hope for the world.

I would imagine kids like her would say that the facile rationalization that "we might as well do it because if we don't, someone else will, and besides, we need the money" does not make it a good moral choice or even a choice in our rational self-interest.

I'm not familiar with the particular labor dispute you cite but it's been my observation that the reason societies don't respect teachers and what they do enough to pay them well has nothing to do with lack of shale oil money.

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On a basic level I agree with you, however Matias is a guy I greatly admire. Please don’t associate him with the Holocaust. We need his input IMO.

i in no way associated him with the holocaust.
i did point out that the indoctrination of children can have dire consequences.
why can't the ppl, who are so against the indoctrination of children by religious maniacs, see that?

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Indoctrination and teaching seem to be, though related, essentially different in intent. I am trying unsuccesssfully to understand what might be wrong with teaching childen to learn to protect the environment, thus the planet from which they derive their very lives. Be damned with the tax revenues and job losses if that is a price we to preserve what allows us to remain a species on this earth. Other industries have come and gone over the centuries, and we have somehow survived, reinventing ourselves. No job is destined to remain indefinitely, so get used to that. Learning to be good stewards of the earth does not seem to be to be a bad thing for children to learn; trying to preserve and keep intact an industry that is ruining same, on the other hand, seems an infinitely poor lesson for them to learn. If we are to continue and do so in relative good health and so on, we must ALL learn to forgo the tendency to want to maintain the goal of increasing and maintaining economic largesse at the expense of human concerns. Profits be damned if it means ruining our environment, and if you cannot understand that then you are, s some say, a part of the problem not the solution. Hows that for a bit of intelligence!

lofty ideals won't meet the payroll for teachers/civil servants, let alone a pay raise.

if indoctrination of children by religious fanatics is wrong. then you can't be selevtive WITHOUT BEING A FUCKING HYPOCRITE.

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I didn't read the post your referencing, so forgive me if I cover something addressed there.

To me the teachers were earning above their pay by showing their students that getting involved can shape policy and that their voice matters. We'd call that civics down here, which needs to be taught a lot more throughout the educational process. Comparing this to Nazi indoctonazation is pretty egregious IMO.

Not sure how BC pays their teachers, but in the US it's a whole separate revenue stream from oil pipelines, and if it's also that way up there than your being less than honest about how to pay them and the economic benefits from said pipeline.

Pipelines are also fairly hard on the environment, and can do an awful lot of damage if not designed and maintained properly.

Also, if you want people to listen to you quit taking potshots just because you don't like what they said. As far as I can tell you've said a few stupid things yourself.

1of5 Level 8 Mar 26, 2019

WTF is this--"indoctonazation".

@callmedubious that's all you got? A misspelled word? With the way you don't even formulate your "thoughts" into a coherent format?

Fuck me.

@callmedubious If you have to resort to nit picking a typo or grammatical error, you have lost the debate.

But since you did go there, how about you learn to use paragraph breaks? And perhaps capitalize the first letter of the first word in a sentence?

@jorj that's what teachers do. You're assuming all they did was go to a rally, I'm assuming (as the son of teachers) that there was classroom discussion before and after, because that's what teachers do.

This wasn't a government rally. All you're doing is showing how little you know of history.

@Lucy_Fehr ,
another school marm?
would you know what "indoctonazation" means? maybe it has something to do with a doctorate & canonization.
i indent paras. i don't think capital letters & para breaks mean anything to people who have a life.

@Lucy_Fehr Roflmao. He can't figure out a misspelled word, but doesn't think the way he writes is an issue.

Absolute hypocritical idiot. I'm done here, he's all yours.

@jorj did you miss the reference to Germany and indoctrination? Talk about a lack of reading comprehension.

The OP was doing nothing but whining and insulting people. Blame that jackass for setting the tone.

@Allamanda ,
jorj never lost the point & you never had the point to begin with.

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