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I've recently given up my faith because of a few comments people gave made to me here...Thanks! Now that I know for Sure there isn't a God, how do I decide what is right morally. Should I just base it on evolution?

Todoeltiempo 4 Apr 14
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First, I would never conclude for sure there is no god. Try not to conclude much of anything to absolute certainty. Keeping an open mind is what got you here. Keep it open.

Morality is something that can seem tricky but it is fairly simple and intuitive. You probably already have it figured out, but may not be able to articulate it. Just keep thinking about it and do some reading if that helps.

I would definitely NOT base it on evolution. Biological evolution is an amoral process that can be downright cruel most of the time. Basing morality on this can give rise to the ‘Might Makes Right’ ideas that lead a certain 1940s European nation of good people to commit atrocities.

@powder ?

Was that comment for me or OP?

@powder I agree and also do dismiss the notion of gods the same way as I do for unicorns; that is to say I don’t dismiss it completely.

@indirect76 so you are open to the possibility of the existence of unicorns?? Okay... I guess...

@powder yeah, me too, but I'm not leaving the door open for unicorns and tooth fairies and leprechauns and Sasquatch and stuff that makes no sense... like gods.

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I don't believe there is a god...but how do you know for sure there isn't one? Also, how did you decide what was right or wrong before you stopped believing in a god? Are you saying all of your moral decisions were somehow based on what some holy text said?

Exactly what I was thinking

@Leeshi Great minds...

I don't get it

Hey welcome back! 💙

@RavenCT Good to be back

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Are you saying you don't know Right from Wrong because you no longer believe in Divine Punishment and Reward? Bullshit. You either know Right from Wrong, or you are a psychopath. In either case, do unto others as you would have done to you is one of the only things religion got right. Base your decisions on that, if you can't figure it out for yourself.

Not like that....no...my question is about absolute morality...

@Todoeltiempo That's more of a human rights issue, and it still conforms to the Golden Rule. Basically, everyone (absolutely EVERYONE) deserves the same human rights. No exceptions.Treat everyone as you would wish to be treated. It's really that simple. Use empathy and compassion and kindness liberally. Throw in as much respect as possible in the process. Pretty simple stuff.

@Todoeltiempo There are laws. Instead of going to he'll, you go to jail. There are life choices that you decide. How were you raised. What are the norms of your community. And as so many have said, do unto others as you would have done unto you. I don't see what is so difficult.

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Troll?

Religion didn't invent morality. If the only thing stopping you from doing bad shit was the fear of the wrath of an ancient Jewish dude, you're a bad person.

You probably had some sort of upbringing. Did those who raised you teach you right from wrong? Start there.

I do have a certain moral compass but as I've given up my faith, it has seemed strange to worry too much about morality. I don't know that it's too clear what is right and what is wrong, at least to me.

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Morality is largely based on the availability of resources and the stability of a given culture. When the chips are down as it were during times of chaos, anarchy, war, natural disaster morality is a much harder concept. For you I would ask why do you find value in morality as a real world choice? God or no the same reasons apply as to why people choose to be moral; threat of punishment, wanting to be treated well, social acceptance, cultural norms. Really all you need to do is decide for yourself what constitutes moral action and follow that. Evolution has no room or care for morality accept as a abstract supporting action that maximizes survival and success which general means ensuring your genes continue into the next generation.

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@Womanatheist I agree. That said society needs a binding force to keep cohesion and for most of recorded History religion bad or good provided a big part of that cohesion. Also all people to one extent or another have a conscious save the rare mentally ill person. One thing to remember though is it is far easier to have a conscious in a functioning society. The choices one faces in places like Syria, Iraq, parts of Africa, Central America....are alien to most Americans. Me I know I am a person who tries to be good and I feel I succeed but I know it is dangerous to have certainty in a such a thing. That is my biggest problem with religion is it often undermines a thinking conscious in favor of dogma, fear and bigotry.

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My troll detector is twitching but it could be mistaken as religion does strange things to people

@Shouldbefishing ------------ his wonders to perform

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You don't need religious bs to define your morality. The book of fairy tales did that part right. Just be more open minded tords people who are different from you.

Ok!

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Just use the same method you used when you cherry picked the instructions from the Bible that you would obey (eg "Thou shalt not steal" ) from the ones that you wouldn't (eg "whoever does any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death" ). You will find it works equally well without the book. You're welcome.

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One does not need religion to have a conscience.

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This post sure feels disingenuous to me. Perhaps it is residual dishonesty from "your faith".

Just like when you were a believer, you knew 'for Sure' that a god existed, your newfound certainty that a god doesn't exist is as false as your previous belief.

If you really need to learn morality without the Buybull, look up the definition of Empathy. That and the Golden Rule will see you through.

I thought the same thing. Seemed a bit over the top scamming to me. Especially the jab at evolution..

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First thing to remember: never capitalize "god."

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I am a futurist so my values come from the kind of society I would like humans to build. Certain values are personal and based on what I think makes me a decent person, such as not harming people who are not a threat to me or my family. Other values like health care and education for all, are based on the kind of society I believe humans should aspire to create.

Thanks for this. I was just describing this idea to a friend, to act morally towards the way things should be rather than as they are or were

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Why 'base' it on anything? Make your own choices and accept your own consequences and credit.

Years ago my wife pointed out to me how close the classic Greek Stoics were to my personal philosophy. How's that for saying make your own answer... then answering.

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Golden rule.. do unto others... treat people how you want to be treated.

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I've been an atheist for decades, and I strive to live my life in accordance with the Golden Rule, as espoused by Confucius - if you don't want it done to you, don't do it to others.

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Morality is common sense. We kno what is right and wrong. Don't need in imaginary man in the sky to tell us.

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You really need to figure these things out for yourself.

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Morals are how you treat others a religion does not give you therm you have them or you don't

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"how do I decide what is right morally" - Have you ever tried common sense?

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i don't understand what evolution has to do with morality. evolution is not a moral code. have you picked up a science book in your life? meanwhile, do you NOT know what is wrong or right? are you wondering whether to start robbing banks and raping infants? i think most folks know the difference between wrong and right without relying on a big ol' book with a gazillion conflicting translations. you can decide for yourself whether to eat fish on friday but i think you know not to trip the little old lady trying to cross the street.

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p.s. did you ever figure out that lying is kind of a bad thing? how the hell can you be an atheist, an agnostic, a secularist and religious all at once? i gave you the benefit of an honest answer before looking at your profile because, well, i DO that. now all i am doing is thinking what a creep you must be.

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It's what you should have always based your morals on kindness and empathy do unto others as you would have them do unto you

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Definitely not. Evolution is not a good guide for morals. Try starting with the Golden Rule — “do as you would be done to by others” — and go from there.

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Do unto others before they do unto you. 🙂

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How about trying to do the least harm & most good to those around you?....I have no idea about "evolution in this context......

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Base it on pragmatism. Don't do anything to someone else you would not like done to you.

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