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A friend of mine posted this on Facebook......while I, personally, am NOT ready to jump on the conspiracy theory bandwagon........I DID find this informative.

"As someone who has spent a pretty decent amount of time behind bars, I think it is EXTREMELY unlikely that Epstein killed himself -- especially if he was on suicide watch.

Any inmate who gets booked -- anywhere in the country -- will be strip searched and have any sharp objects, shoe strings, belts, etc. IMMEDIATELY taken from them.

If you are on suicide watch, you won't even get sheets, blankets, pencils, or forks. You eat your food with a fucked up spork utensil that's the size of your thumb. You're usually in a glass, fish bowl looking cell where the guards can see you at all times. Most the time you are naked. The walls are padded so you can't smash your head against it.

So, either you are in general population where it is extremely difficult to kill yourself, especially because you're around a cellmate or other inmates who will prevent your suicide because they don't want to be accused of murder or foul play.

OR you are in isolation or on suicide watch, where it is virtually impossible to kill yourself.

I call bullshit."

StrongBow 6 Aug 10
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Well, the mayor of New York is certainly raising doubts over 'suicide".

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I have conducted within view observations literally 1000s of times in my 30+ years. I have know a small handful who have made serious attempts. All of them have been by ingestion of toxins. Only one I know completed suicide...he had copper wires baked into bread buns. The yeast somehow turns this into a deadly poison apparently. He was on 4:1 obs. This is an indication of extremely poor practice or he was allowed to end his own life. The observing staff may have been paid off. I can see no other way.

I am in UK by the way...I can only talk from what happens here

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As someone who has spent 20 years working inside the walls, suicide watch very rarely lasts more than a few days after the actual attempt, then the prisoner is returned to population. The specialized observation cells are not usually "fish bowls", they're just cells stripped of everything but a concrete slab, mattress, and a toilet. Often there's a camera in the cell monitored from the officer's station.

General population prisoners are allowed out of their cells for hours at a time. The notion that a cellmate would have been there to prevent a suicide is a red herring. If anything, the other prisoner would have left him plenty of space to do whatever he wanted, likely knowing who he was, and might have egged him on.

Prisoners have standard oxford shoes with shoelaces. Even without those- they have bedding. A sheet tied to the window bars or the bunk makes a noose. I've even seen prisoners who ripped up mattresses or tore their suicide-prevention garments up to make threads for hanging attempts.

It takes 3-5 minutes for brain death once blood flow is cut off. Rounds are made every 30 minutes in the Michigan prison system. Even if the Federal system is different, still, do the math.

I'm surprised technology hasn't been called in. A simple cardiovascular monitor could ring the alarm pretty rapidly.

Yep, I worked at the infamous Angola prison here in Louisiana for over 3 years as a social worker and dealt with many guys on suicide watch. Rarely are they on more than a few days. Those who were on longer weren't suicidal but were trying to game the system in some way or get away from something/someone. They knew they just had to say they wanted to hurt themselves.

@Petter That would cost a lot of money and in very short order, they would A) break and B) mentally disordered prisoners would be pulling them off for fun just to see staff come running.
@JonnaBononna might correct me if she disagrees with my assessment on the use of heart monitors for suicide watch. And thank you, Jonna, for your input and your service there. I can corroborate the fact that many suicide threats in prison are manipulation, but we have to treat them all the same.

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It might well have been suicide, but there must be many people grateful that any revelations can now never be verified!!

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Took him off suicide watch-maybe trying to save taxpayers millions in prosecuting him. Should be a videotape.

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He wasn't on suicide watch, and the suicide rate for prisoners is 1.5 to 2 times the rate for the general population. So much for suicide in prisons being difficult. Until EVIDENCE of anything other than a perfectly normal suicide is presented, it's just a suicide. He certainly wouldn't be the first person to kill themselves rather than face the music.

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