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For any Trump supporters out there, assuming that Trump is the Republican candidate for president in 2020, I am willing to put up $20.00 today on a wager that -- no matter who the Democratic candidate is, Trump will not draw more than 43 percent of the popular vote for president in the 2020 general election. Any Trumpite with the courage of his or her convictions out there? If so, and if Hippiechick is willing to hold the money for us until the results are ou tin November 2020let's place out bets today. Any suckers out there willing to make that bet?

wordywalt 9 Sep 10
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I wouldn’t bet with you liberals under any circumstances as you people are to untrustworthy. If you want to bet I’m sure Los Vegas will take your bet but Trump is favored to win.

And you are lying like crazy. There is no reason to trust ethnocentrists, bigots, racists and white nationalists, and reactionary right wing ideologues. . They have already proved that they are without conscience.

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This would be a foolish wager because Congress is going to put in office the person that is going to make them the most money regardless of what the populations wants.

Huh? Congress does not elect the president of the USA.

@wordywalt Are you kidding me?

@azzow2 Have you ever read the U.. Constitution?

@wordywalt Keep in the dark the people are controlled, just because a piece of parchment has some rules on it. Do you really think a bunch of people that conned and lied to get to where they are going to follow the rules? Most of Congress is made up of attorneys and people that practice law, those people are experts at twisting and bending the rules.

@azzow2 You still show no comprehension of the electoral process.

@wordywalt Sure it works by all candidates from every party pouring hundred of millions into advertising and coughing lies lies so people believe their B.S then Congress choose who they want appoints them then let's the opposing parties spend hundreds of millions of dollars trying to put law suits on the sitting president. If Congress spent even 1/3 of their 9 months in session actually working on problems instead of wasting money perhaps our society would improve.

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If we’re lucky, and I think that’s a pretty big “if”, the backlash against Trumpism may motivate enough swing voters to deliver a victory to the Democrats, if a genuine progressive can somehow manage to take the primary away from the machine. But the voters are clearly over the establishment on both sides - Biden can’t do what Hillary couldn’t do, just like Jeb couldn’t do for the Republicans. Looks like it’s Bernie or Trump.

skado Level 9 Sep 11, 2019

Polls say that Biden, Warren, and Bernie all can beat Trump handily, and that Warren has the least negative ratings of the three in sectors that supported Trump.

@wordywalt
Polls said Hillary would win.

@skado She did win the popular vote. But, this time, Trump will not carry a single big population state other than Texas. More than enough people are realizing just how stupid, corrupt and destructive the idiot Trump is. And, this time people realize just how much a third party can draw away from the main candidates, and it will not happen again this time.

@wordywalt
I hope you’re right about Trump. I think Sanders can beat him but Biden won’t.

@wordywalt Warren is a screwball left wing idiot and will never beat Trump.

@Trajan61 You are out of your damned mind. Put your money where your screwball big mouth is.

@maturin1919 What is that rambling bit of verbal garbage supposed to mean?

@Trajan61
Funny thing... that’s what a lot of people said about Trump, right before he won. (minus the left wing part)

@wordywalt Fortunately most people aren’t nearly as stupid and radical as you are!

@Trajan61 Like most empty-headed reactionaries, when you run out of anything to say that sounds at all intelligent, you simply resort to insults. When you do that, have, in effect, admitted that I have won this exchange. I have seen this pattern a few hundred times before. Thank you!

@wordywalt You liberals do a lot of insulting.

@Trajan61 Again, you provide no facts or rational thought supporting your position. You continue to prove that your stance is untenable.

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Lacking an obvious choice this cycle, and though a Dem should win, without the US Senate … it will be mitch all over again.. Anyone not voting Democrat deserves what they get. The rest of us, including our former allies and the planet, don’t.

Varn Level 8 Sep 11, 2019
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If the DNC would allow the voters to choose their candidate, they could beat Trump, but they didn’t last time, and I see no signs they will this time. The Democrats’ noses are now as browned by corporate money as the Republicans’ so they would rather see Don take another four years than to let their corporate masters suffer the reforms that a true representative of the people would effect.

skado Level 9 Sep 11, 2019

Continued false equivalency?

If you didn’t make the rules … and you can’t change them.. Do you play, or not? Discouraging others is not what’s needed ..but it’s easy, perhaps even tempting … so apparently, it continues 😟

@Varn
Not sure what false equivalency you’re referring to. Being realistic is not discouraging to me. It establishes a firmer platform from which to fight than empty optimism could. Of course you play, but you play with the facts, not with dreams.

@skado Claiming one party or candidate is equal to another … when one is evil beyond comparison..

Realistic is apparently in the eye of the beholder. But after decades of ignoring rules, dumping regulations, reversing laws, receiving billions (more) from industry, and pandering to the worst among us … reality appears to me that the good guys are losing ..and need our help, not ridicule.

Put your money where your mouth is.

@Varn
Oh. Well I’m not at all claiming they’re equal. The Ds are somewhere in the territory of the moderate republicans of the 50s, 60s, and maybe 70s, and the Rs are now entering the territory of unapologetic fascism. The point is, the whole system has drifted too far to the right, and if you’re still supporting establishment Democrats just because they’re not Republicans, you’ve been tricked into voting for a rightist agenda.

I’m not ridiculing the good guys; I’m saying the good guys aren’t being allowed in the game at all. By all historical standards the US is no longer a democratic republic. We are now an oligarchic republic at best, drifting dangerously close to totalitarianism. The middle class and poor have effectively zero influence over governmental policy-making, because we have no one representing our interests.

Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil, and further enables the rightward drift. The good guys do need our help; they need us to recognize that the people dominating the Democratic Party today are not good guys.

@wordywalt
I don’t claim to know the future; I’m just reporting how it appears to me right now.

@skado Not spending all my time around here.. and looking at the larger picture, whomever the D’s come up with must sell, not only to the rest of the D’s, but to the Independents ..or vacillating voters across the nation. Inspiration may again need to come ‘from the alternative,’ trump. This time they’d better not leave it up to the rest of us.

The good guys lost, decades ago. Previous rules & regulations are gone, thanks to both Republican Supreme Court decisions and legislation. The good guys didn’t give up, but were forced to compete on a new plain - one dominated by the R’s.

The middle class & poor were and continue to be duped. They’ve had - and continue to have - fresh opportunities to take it back and set things straight. And, taking it back will be as incremental a process as it was taken away, requiring decades, not just years. Just as the koch bros played the long game, so must the middle class & poor. It’s do, or die.

There’s no such thing as Perfection in politics, and ‘everyone’s personal preferences’ will never be fulfilled. It (fortunately) remains a majority project. I’ve helped recruit numerous D’s - they were not evil. ...and I’ve a low tolerance for those who talk the talk - but have never walked the walk

I personally know an upper echelon D; he’s not only a friend, but a magnificently generous & intelligent person … with nothing to show for his effort but the gratitude of those who are also part of the parties inner workings.. I’d wanted to become a cop, and from those I met and knew, sometimes they must get as down & dirty as those they go up against, or lose their lives. Elections that include R’s are much the same..

@maturin1919 See above...

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This is only my own personal opinion, but if the democratic nominee doesn't have the support of the millennials then the democratic nominee will not win the general election. And I think we all know who the millennial's favorite is.

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If there are no 3rd party candidates, Trump will win with ~50% of the popular vote.

The competition from the Democrats is too weak.

BD66 Level 8 Sep 11, 2019

You are out of your mind!

@wordywalt Trump is at 47% approval in the Rasmussen Polls, and that's with the press slamming him 24/7. When it comes down to debate time, and it's Trump against one Democrat, and the Democrat is promoting policies like:

[rasmussenreports.com]

Open borders
Sanctuary cities
Free healthcare for illegals
Drivers licenses for illegals
Free college for illegals

Trump will seem like the more rational of the two:

@BD66 You are simply lying. If you believe that, put your money where your mouth is.

@Bobby9 I tire of your illogic and belligerence. You are not wasting time on. I will not waste my time even looking at any further comments from you.

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I hope your right but I got burnt the last election and I'm not so cocky anymore.

gearl Level 8 Sep 11, 2019

It is up to us to make sure that it does not happen again.

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Not stupid unless election fraud

bobwjr Level 10 Sep 10, 2019
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