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StarTalk with Neil deGrasse Tyson on GMOs:

My takeaway from the video: We've been modifying plants and animals to best suit our needs since we learned of agriculture.

SamKerry 7 Mar 20
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This maybe true to a point but, GMO’s have only been used for corporate gain as what I have seen. Monsanto for instance has used this process for patenting it’s seeds for monopolizing the market and selling more chemicals. Many of its gmo seeds are developed to withstand herbicides. There have been many test on its plants that have proved dangerous. Scientists who have proven this have had their careers ruined. If gmo’s were produced more ethically I would might be on board. Also, crossbreeding is not the same as genetically modifying.

What in the process of cross breeding doesn't qualify it as "modifying genes"?

GMO is a "transgenic organism." This is an organism whose genetic makeup has been altered by the addition of genetic material from an unrelated organism.

You are referring to hybridization.

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This maybe true to a point but, GMO’s have only been used for corporate gain as what I have seen. Monsanto for instance has used this process for patenting it’s seeds for monopolizing the market and selling more chemicals. Many of its gmo seeds are developed to withstand herbicides. There have been many test on its plants that have proved dangerous. Scientists who have proven this have had their careers ruined. If gmo’s were produced more ethically I would might be on board. Also, crossbreeding is not the same as genetically modifying.

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To merely select the best characteristics of a plant and encourage these in their growth is nothing more than speeding up natural selection; same things with animals (creating new dog breeds, etc). To splice genes of one plant into another without sometimes fully understanding the nuances of the results (creating food allergies, etc) is quite another.

godef Level 7 Mar 21, 2018
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I will agree that GMO's are not bad. But, putting a jellyfish gene in a tomato and getting a patenet on it and then making it so the seeds are not viable is just greed and there I draw the line. Do it as Mendal did and I have no problem.

BillF Level 7 Mar 21, 2018
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I agree that the GMO process in itself is fine, and probably necessary, but corporate greed is rampant and companies like Monsanto need to be strictly controlled. They attempt to stack the deck at every opportunity gambling with consumer's health to maintain their profits, to make sure that people continue to buy their glyphosate, which has invaded all the foods we consume in epic proportions. If this is not dangerous then I don't know what the fuck is.
The suggestion that companies put GMO on their packaging I think is very reasonable, it allows people to make up their mind what they will put in their bodies. The industry's fight against labeling is evil and self serving, IMHO

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cava Level 7 Mar 21, 2018
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Ibet Neil would be fun to get drunk with

There is a video of him a little drunk - after a celebration of some science event. But I couldn't find it.

But I did find this:

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Thank you for posting this discussion! I have engaged with many people, some even on Agnostic.com, who believe that GMOs are just plain bad, and they use the examples of DDT and tobacco as evidence that scientists cannot be trusted. Much like the anti-vax'er movement, the anti-GMO crowd behaves like a religion!

Agreed. I think their main objections to GMOs is the corporatisations of GMO technologies and practices - which is a totally separate issue.

GMOs themselves are not inherently bad, so to speak.

Um, most "anti-vax" people once vaccinated, and then saw negative side effects in themselves or their kids.

I developed Ataxia within hours of a DTaP and spent 3 months relearning how to walk. It wasn't until AFTER that that I was diagnosed with my Primary Immunodeficiency Disorders and learned that I don't develop antibodies in response to vaccination... Proven by me catching Whooping Cough the following year.

@TaraMarshall While I truly empathize with your case, the anti-vax movement gained huge traction following an alleged association with vaccines and the development of autism. This has been debunked, but many still fear, often insisting that 'science can't be trusted.' And while vaccines harmed you, very soon we will have genetic therapies that may address your condition. I'm sorry for what you suffered, but consider how many have suffered and died from measles, rubella, polio and small pox before vaccines were developed.

@pnullifidian, in my family, vaccines have been a menace. My mother's eldest sister got Polio from the oral vaccine, the only case in town. While she was in an iron lung, the middle sister had a series of seizures and regressed. After that, she received a variety of labels including mental retardation and childhood schizophrenia. That latter, of course, is very rare, she's actually Autistic, with Epilepsy and a moderate Cognitive Disability.

My nephew regressed into Autism. He had been waving, saying his first several words, sharing smiles and laughs with us, rolling balls and cars. The day after his 15 month vaccinations, he woke up screaming and headbanging. It took 2 years of speech therapy before he got his old words back.

I had measles. Twice, from the vaccine.

@TaraMarshall Words cannot express ... I could not imagine what you and your family have endured.

@pnullifidian, and this is why I finally did my research and told the doctors what to test for (I seem to have to do that every few years). The doctors didn't believe me... until the lab tests showed I have two Primary Immunodeficiency Disorders.

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