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I haven't believed in any sort of god for many decades now, and it's not a debate with me. It has not (and still does not) interest me to argue with believers, particularly since I think it is critical to note that the onus is on the creators of the God hypothesis to justify why they even take up our time with it, and I don't really hear what I regard as fully intelligent arguments from them, on this point, to begin with.

However, lately there are two arguments against the God Hypothesis that have come to mind that I want to mention. , not to engage in "debate" with theists, but more along the lines of: We are still left with the reality of our lives, and of our need to philsophize and understand, and once in awhile I suppose the God hypothesis is worth discussing in social and moral discussions as well as metaphysical. Anyway, here are the two points:

  • If there were an all-powerful and benevolent entity, and if realizing this supposedly amounts to attaining some level of enlightenment, then why does such an entity not immediately enlighten everyone to this extent, including those with whom we have difficult relationships and that it pains us to the point where we may become "lost" trying to "fix" them, or people who may in any event do bad things to us or others? (I know, this is similar to "why would a God let people, good or bad, do "bad" things, but it's not quite the way I"ve heard that point made).

  • For that matter, if such an entity is hypothesized to exist, why do they not immediately eradicate from our cultures the scourges of Christianity, Judaism, Islam and other primitive, botched, and in some ways anti-human systems of belief in moral/metaphysical/other areas.

I doubt that my second point here will be on the same page with some of my fellow atheists, but if you want to voice some sort of criticism or mull things over in some attempted productive discussion, I ask please do not troll with "maybe you're not an atheist" .... I am.

kmaz 7 Nov 9
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  1. Maybe because an intervention would take away the free choice of the individual. If you didn’t do the workings out in maths and just received an answer you wouldn’t be able to work out similar problems by the necessary method.

  2. Hypothetically, if we are talking about a super-being it’s rather presumptuous to assume we know the mind and intention of said being. It’s the equivalent to thinking above your pay grade!

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