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This is how easy it is to get a gun in Oklahoma:
My great grandpa, a 91 year old man, walked into a store downtown alone a few days ago and purchased this gun that has NO SAFETY. What employee would even show an elderly person this gun? My grandpa says he doesn’t like that it has no safety but purchased it anyways because it was the cheapest gun they had. He is a very cheap man. My whole family is pissed.
He’s had guns before but they were used for hunting and stayed in a case. Nobody was concerned about those but he had to get rid of them when my nana (his daughter) was on probation. Now that she’s passed, he’s all alone in the house again. Never said anything about feeling unsafe until one of our relatives came down for the funeral. This guy has convinced him he needed a handgun and BARS ON THE WINDOWS, telling him all kinds of stories about teens breaking in and beating the elderly for their money. I get why he’s scared but this is ridiculous. It’s happened very few times over the years in our area and usually occurs in the surrounding towns. This guy lives in Tulsa so it happens much more often there. Also, his home is in a very nice neighborhood but it’s old and falling apart. Nobody is going to think “hey, they’ve got money” Still, I get it.
However, he INSISTS on having a round in AT ALL TIMES & has refused to keep it in the little flimsy case they gave him, which is still better than nothing in my opinion. He is hard of hearing which makes it even more dangerous.
I brought my 14 year old cousin over yesterday and knocked. (We never usually knock because he gets mad. Says this is “our house too” and we should just walk in) Since he now has this gun, I knocked anyways, and walk in to a gun pointed at us. Thought he had the door locked.. This is unbelievably dangerous and I’m scared he’s going to hurt someone, especially himself. The man is so stubborn that he won’t listen to any of his children or grandchildren on the matter. I’m glad he feels safer now but I wish he’d approached it in a different way. Such as a security system.

1EarthLovingGal 7 Jan 19
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He been evaluated for cognitive decline recently? Sounds like your relative triggered some type of paranoid response he's having trouble dealing with.

1of5 Level 8 Jan 20, 2020

If he gets a phone call about "something just happened down the street", or sees a news story that he feels is relevant to him, any amount of caution and phone calls made earlier in the day, will have no bearing on the safety of a family member who comes by to check on him. The only "lucky" thing here is that he may have very weak grip strength(can't pull the trigger). Only one way to find out though.

@MarkiusMahamius think this one was meant for @bobwjr ?

Not that I disagree. Long time ago, before cell phones were limited to Star Trek a friend of mine's paranoid schizophrenia started to manifest itself, and we'd always stop at the store down the hill from his place to call and let him know we'd be there in 5 (he'd hallucinate people outside and had shot at nothing once or twice already). Still was a bit unnerving to go there, but he was a horrible shot and we always made a point of making as much noise as possible when parking and getting out of the car.

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Other than the technical aspect of the gun, I agree he shouldn't have or need a gun.
If the "young" robbers are armed, what good is a gun?
Training has to be very intense to outshoot two bad guys with guns.
And what are you going to do when he has an AR 15?
He's covering a small base.
How about some bear spray? And a powerful blinding flashlight?
There are lots of ways to defend yourself other than shooting someone and ending up in court for the rest of your days.
I have a rock collection in my home. Lots of rocks.
Or a DOG!

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This is a hammerless pistol. There isn't any needed.

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I know its not what you want to hear, but if society wants effective gun control, its absolutely going to have to include cases like this. You file a police report, you were threatened with a weapon. It might not go well fror gramps, but honestly, ifs hes a menace to society, hes a menace to society. You should think about your ethicsl take on this, vs if this was your neighbor who you didnt know very well. What would you do?

She could try "adult protective services", its more social work oriented and has no enforcement capabilities. Just social work. Of course they can call the police in, if needed, but their main job is to help people find the services they need to live at home safely.

@Burner Another option: There must be some adult men in the family who can talk with the guy. They could practice shooting together and make an assessment. They would probably have more sway than anyone else.

@WilliamFleming I find it hard to believe its not illegal to point a gun at someone.
There are some phone calls I would want to make.

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Despite its modest $200 price, that Taurus TCP .380 is a very highly rated pocket pistol, made in the US, and it carries a lifetime transferable warranty.

I have read that pocket pistols often don’t have safeties. They are designed so that they will not fire if dropped. The long trigger draw ensures that a person will not shoot accidentally.

Of course any firearm poses some risk. If your great grandpa still has his facilities he should be ok despite his age. I sincerely hope so. It would be awkward to take away a proud old man’s new pistol.

Best answer of the lot-- You don't need to be afraid of an old guy who is familliar with guns. B afraid of teenagers who are on mind altering drugs!!!

There is no safety on hammerless pistols. None needed.

That pistol has a nine pound trigger pull. That's enormous. In addition it has a very long trigger pull.
So you would have to try very hard to shoot it by accident.

@BigMac10 You: You don't need to be afraid of an old guy who is familliar with guns.

From the original post: Since he now has this gun, I knocked anyways, and walk in to a gun pointed at us. Thought he had the door locked.

So yeah, I'd say you do need to be afraid of a 91 year old with a gun.

@1EarthLovingGal I get that, but the sudden need for increased security is a flag and that he's sitting in his own house with it next to him is another one, and pointing it at someone is yet another. Cognitive decline is subtle and easy to miss - and if he is declining the gun will be the least of your worries.

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Maybe the family can all chip in for a simplysafe security system for him?

@1EarthLovingGal It just being there could make a difference in his state of mind...

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Sounds like if anything the gun makes him feel less safe....

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Call before visiting

bobwjr Level 10 Jan 19, 2020

@1EarthLovingGal Keep in mind at 91 he could forget...

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I am not sure I would be visiting grandpa anymore.

@1EarthLovingGal My best friend had a gun with no safety. My brother, sister-in-law , and I were sitting on the couch about five feet from him when he was showing it to us. He dropped it, it went off, shooting him in the ankle. It could have hit anyone of us. This happened in Lawton, where I grew up. You be very careful.

@Sticks48 Too bad he didn't shoot himself in the balls.... He could have solved the problem and removed himself from the genepool....
Win with Darwin!

@Lizard_of_Ahaz No he has been my best friend since l was 14. He is like a brother.

@Sticks48 If he had almost shot me like that I would have kicked his ass and made damned sure that weapon was so much scrap metal....

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Good for you. Ain't you a badass. You would need to be, because he certainly is.

@1EarthLovingGal Especially since you know it has no safety. I can't believe all handguns are not required to have safeties. He could knock it off of the table just reaching for it. One precaucion you could take is to call him and let him know to expect you. I would tell him you can't bring the children around unless you know that gun is safely out of reach. Be very cautious.

@Sticks48 Revolvers have no safety. Hammerless guns don't need safety.
You could throw these handguns across the room and they shouldn't go off.
If they are unaltered and modern.

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