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Does the fact that both Democrats and Republicans agree that extra money should be given to unemployment insurance recipients amount to an implicit admission that that unemployment system is insufficient in the first place? If the usual amounts aren't enough during the pandemic, why has it been enough before the pandemic?

bingst 8 July 30
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I worked a lot of years in (union) construction in MN. The pay was great, time out-of-work was a "way of life". Employers paid-into the program based on how much employees were not working so in construction, they always were paying in at the maximum.

Despite me having lots of time working, I had lots of periods of collecting unemployment based on my (high) wages. So I was always getting the maximum allowed. But that 'taught' me to not live beyond my means and "save for the 'rainy' days". ymmv

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My state unemployment here ins this red state is $107, or $96/week after taxes. Livin large.

Are you serious?! That comes out to only about 38% for 40 hours at minimum wage! O_o

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I went on unemployment many years ago for a short time in between career changes. It was never comparable to ones salary. If I remember correctly it was about 70% of normal salary. At that time I was still forging my career, so my full time salary was just enough to get by. 70% of that was not even close to sufficient.

As an RoboGraham pointed out below, perhaps the real question really centers on increasing the minimum wage so that people would be incentives to return to work. I think its a little bit cynical to think that the majority of people that are receiving increased unemployment benefits during the pandemic do not want to return to work.

I think there have been studies that have demonstrated that MOST people need some sort of productive activity to find and maintain self worth. Most realize that this pandemic and economic period is temporary and will end some time in the foreseeable future. They see themselves as returning to some form of work.

However presently they feel the danger posed by the pandemic justifies the remaining at home and collecting benefits until the danger lessens. For Republicans rationalizing that all these individuals are lazy and do not want to work is both cynical, and a selfish rationalization and minimizes these families travails.

t1nick Level 8 July 30, 2020
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Never having received any… I’ve always thought the lesser than normal pay is the incentive to find actual work.. The Pandemic is an anomaly, folks having lost their jobs by circumstance more than any other factor.

Actually, I find myself agreeing with the republican’s logic that ‘additional unemployment’ payments are a disincentive to work. My oldest daughter was one of the first, if only to return to her relatively safe job, as the owner of the business couldn’t get others to come back … making more sitting at home. It was a part-time startup, and ‘work’ quickly returned. Her partner being the owner’s son, she had a bit more loyalty.. ..but told me she’d have gone back anyway to keep the business afloat. Coworkers did not appear to care 😕

Varn Level 8 July 30, 2020

During a pandemic, a disincentive to work is a positive thing. That's the point really.

We need as many people as possible who work in non-essential positions which expose them to other people to stay home to help contain the spread of the virus. Providing these people with enough to get by on is essential.

I don't get this. My understanding is that when the job is offered back, unemployment benefits stop.

@bingst

That is correct.

But I'm saying it would be better if people were provided with enough to get by on until this thing is over so as many as possible could avoid going out to work and risking being exposed to the virus.

That's why many countries are paying employees to stay home. They still get a pay check and they can stay safe without worry of losing their homes. This is one reason why other places have the virus under control much more so than we do.

@RoboGraham Yeah, I know. My response was aimed at Varn. The whole incentive argument for lowering the supplement from $600 to $200 is total bullshit, since the benefit ends when the job becomes available again. At least, that's my understanding of how it works. That is, you don't get a choice between going back to your job or continuing to get unemployment benefits, because the latter will end anyway.

@bingst

Oh, sorry.

Yup, I totally agree

@RoboGraham You’ve contradicted yourself, ‘enough to get by on,’ and ‘a disincentive to work’ are not the same situation; I will not debate it.

@bingst Work was returning, slowly… The business owner couldn’t offer full time ...until he could. Health care related, their work would be deemed ‘essential.’ The owner also couldn’t do everything himself, or with only a handful of employees..

Excess beyond normal pay is just that, excessive. Businesses still incapable of opening, to the point their employees still need unemployment insurance, is a situation for ‘regular unemployment’ payments, perhaps necessitating they look for other work.. Excessive pay for not working is not an incentive to work.

@Varn

Sounds good varn. If I were you, I wouldn't want to debate me either.

@RoboGraham Begging for my attention? Sorry, but you’re hollow, like a cartoon ~

@Varn

Well bud, you engaged me saying I've contradicted myself, which I didn't.

And you immediately declined any debate on the subject, which is mighty cowardly on your part.

So I said okay, sounds good. And now you are talking about begging for attention. Yes, you are, you often do. You refuse to debate the substance of the issue, and yet you continue to engage. That's some attention seeking there. Typical varnie.

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Good point

Another inference that can be drawn from this is that people on unemployment get more than a person does who works full time at or near minimum wage. Unemployment is meant to allow someone to just get by, so if a minimum wage worker can't work full time and earn enough to just get by, is it time to raise it to a living wage yet?

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