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I am a former atheist, but after using psychedelics I have come to believe there is some form of energy that exists responsible for our earthly guidance. I don’t necessarily think there is one god, but an energy that manifests itself into our true desires. I have actually come into contact with beings on psychedelic compounds, and although it sounds like drugged up hippie mania, these experiences seemed much more real than just hallucinations. What do you guys think?

GODINDMT 3 Apr 10
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As a former consumer, read your posts/writings 1,3, and 7 years later. If you still feel the same, then write your book. Clarity of mind enables a good trip, clarity of mind enables you to realize it was just that. Happy hunting.

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Definitely agree with you on that!

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I agree, since everything is ultimately energy and can't be created or destroyed, there are multiple dimensions, etc.
It may have just been hallucinations, but maybe not.

I believe in a Higher Self, and Source energy, but not the Hebrew god idea.

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Just say no.

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I'm a former psychedelics user, and I say that's just nonsense. It's only the chemicals messing with your brain.

Deb57 Level 8 Apr 10, 2018
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I have never had an experience as you described, but I too believe there is an 'energy field,' that sustains life! It was Einstine, who proved that all forms of life, vibrate at different frequency! So we must be supported by some kind of energy! But, you must believe what you can believe...

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If the only times you have these experiences are when you're tripping, then you might want to think about that for a minute.

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I didn’t come into contact with beings but did sense something outside of myself that I understood to be singular and yet all encompassing. My experience was more like being able to see the thread that binds us all together. I did/do like being able to see life from different perspectives via hallucinogens but I do try to question, as I do all things, what I experienced and digest it with curiosity and nothing more.

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Mind altering drugs are not necessary for observing Nature from a functional thinkiing perspective. Recognition of life energy isn't antithetical to rejection of deities in my thinking.

One of my favorite quotations (in my bio): "In the act of thought, life comprehends it's own essence." Wilhelm Reich, M.D.

We are manifestations of life. How we function, societal and theological damage notwithstanding, exemplifies our place in the hierarchy and offers functional clues in our quest for understanding; in our 'comprehension of our own essence'.

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I'm going to ignore the fact that you were hallucinating while under the influence of psychedelics....but can you explain what you mean by " energy that exists responsible for our earthly guidance " and also " an energy that manifests itself into our true desires.

I'll bet he's not going to come up with " force times distance".

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In the words of Decartes "I think therefore I am" to that I would say you just think your're thinking.

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My friend, you would have fit right in back in the 1960s. That's the kind of thing many people thought back then. Of course, many of them turned up dead, or brain dead, so not sure what that says about that cosmic energy. I do recall that some followers of the thankfully very late Charles Manson found through hallucinogens an energy that helped them slaughter a whole lot of innocent mostly young people. So, I would have to say I'm not a fan of this sort of thing.

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Dopamine

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Using psychedelics will do that for you

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I did a LOT of acid in the 70's and 80's and l just did a whole lot of laughing. I'm sure l didn't feel any energy responsible for my earthly guidance. If l had l would have kicked it's ass for doing such a shitty job. But it's your trip man.

@Scoobs It wasn't just a quick laugh. It was hours of laughing. It was like a mind enema. Great times.

@Scoobs The most economically efficient drug ever created. I was a lot younger when l was dropping. I have had no desire to do it in a long time. 🙂

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You use mind altering drugs and you're wondering why you "believe there is some form of energy etc"? There was a similar post on here about "seeing" things when you meditate - why are people surprised at this? My ex husband could tell you some mind blowing things he "saw" after a 3 day dry fast.

@Scoobs Because his body was shuttiing down, so his brain was not working properly. Obviousy the energy required to achieve rational thought would be diverted to more pressing obligations, like preventing starvation.

@Scoobs Do you ever have nightmares/dreams? Are they "important" or just a few neurons misfiring? You really are on the wrong site.

@Scoobs It just seems so pointless to obsess about things you "don't know". There's so much more interesting stuff happening in the real world. I'm done.

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I got really pissed once, man it makes chicks look good, makes me so attractive to them, and makes me an awesome driver.

It makes you an intellectual, too.

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I know others who have experienced what you have.

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The only thing that mind altering drugs expand is the pocket of the manufacturer or dealer, they do not expand your mind but they do grossly distort your sense perceptions. Some people on LSD and other consciousness altering drugs believed that they were invincible and could fly, it was not long before they met their death.

Yes indeed. Linking back to the 60s, there are many things I like about that decade and attitudes, but not the drug mythology that abounded then. All those dead rock stars, for one, due to drugs.

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Shite, you really came to the wrong place!

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I think the key word here is psychedelics .

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I think anyone that doesn't know what your talking about should smoke DMT a few times and then present their rational response. 😉 You really can have no sense of it except in the corsest way from spoken or written description. I do not believe in a diety... I try not to believe in anything. Instead I have strong opinions and favored thoughts... they are a little more mutable, and most of them are probably wrong.

I think there is a something. Not an "other" unknowable thing... but a thing which can and will be known. Not super natural, but wholly natural. Not an "it" but a pattern that pervades all. Can we exclude scales of consciousness beyond our own if we do not even agree as academics what consciousness even is? I think the biosphere and perhaps subordinate divisions of living sytems may be considered a cohered organism, and I am certainly not the fiirst to suggest it. If consciouness is a pattern of information being exchanged between our subordinate components... who is to say the pattern does not project beyond ourselves in the way we communicate amongst one another? There is much of the perceivable spectra of experience that is beyond our direct personal ability to observe... how often do you consider individual skin cells, specifically...? Do you give them names? If there is an order of awareness akin to the order of our "selves" in relation to the massive multicellular colony that is "our" bodies... I doubt that such an awareness would be any more successful at conversing with a human than I would be having quality discourse with an amoeba.

I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but there is absolutely no substance to what you say. Go talk to a monk, or something.

So a consciousness outside of our observable band of awareness?

@Markus i think these things are possible

@GlyndonD What is consciousness? Don’t be so lazy...

@Markus To be clear, I am not promoting a “god of the gaps”. Nor any kind of god at all. Before we can firmly declare there is no consciousness more sophisticated than a human brain, I think we need to have solid criteria on what exactly a consciousness even is. We do not have a consensus on that. If you look it up, you just get a lot of opinions, some more considered than others. Where do “you” reside in the brain? Are “you” to be found in some “master cell” in your brain? We already know that isn’t how it works. So what are the integral components of consciousness?

You are all true believers in mysticism. That is your right. It is my right to think and believe that what you say is not true, let alone profound.

Have fun, but beware the destruction of the brain caused by foreign substances and even harboring bad ideas.

@GlyndonD First of all... I prefaced my response with saying that these are thought's and not beliefs, and as such are probably wrong and prone to modification. These are not beliefs. They are thoughts. Speculations. "Speculating is a waste of time" Said NO inventor, innovator or theoretician, EVER.

I'm fine with the idea that all my concepts are baseless garbage. But that still does not answer the question, what is consciousness? What is your model, which is so clearly superior to you? You are confident that god does not exist (as I am), how sure are you that you exist? What is it that is you? Do you prefer not to think about it? Do you accept that you do not exist? Just shrug your shoulders and plod forward never knowing or wondering what it is you are? I am not advocating for Mysticism... rather asking the question, is ignorance the soul and only source of mysticism... or is there something else going on? A phenomenal subtext that gives rise to what is perceived as spiritual experience? I think it is easy and lazy to wave questions of consciousness away as delusional fantasy... but it has nothing to do with science, logic or reason. The dismissive hand waving arises from insecurity, not curiosity and openness to thoughtful exploration. This is the "Philosophy & Meaning" category after all.

The Gaia Hypothesis is not some "New Agey" kookery. It was fomented by James Lovelock and Lynn Margulis. Feel free to research those credentials. Their work does not infer a "global consciousness" but posits that the systems that regulate the global ecology strongly resemble the systems that regulate the metabolic function of an organism. I can't say it's a broadly accepted theory, but I don't think it's due to lack of rigor or viability. A lot of scientists are reluctant to see the biosphere as a cohered self-correcting system... in the same way they are reluctant to consider organic molecular structures smaller than a cell as "alive". but it really doesn't seem all that radical to me. Attacks on the theory often orient towards poking at data that suggests populations are detrimental to homeostasis... but my retort is simply that your time-line isn't long enough. Life does more than adapt to the environment... it changes it. We wouldn't be having this conversation if it weren't for the fact that cyanobacteria saturated the atmosphere and oceans with oxygen in the first billion years or so of life on earth.

@Anemynous Consciousness lies within the network interactions of brain cells, neurons, electrical impulses, electrochemical interactions, etc. All physical, and ultimately explainable within the realm of science and reason. There are no disembodied "spirits" that inhabit spaces within the skull. There are no disembodied spirits that float around inhabiting worlds or ecosystems.

Evolution has created equilibriums that exist on the planet, for sure, but it is not coordinated or managed. Thus, you may think of the Gaia god as a very romantic conspiracy theory -- nothing more.

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You're on the wrong forum. You need to find one with a credulous, gullible and, preferably, solvent readership and start your own religion by peddling your experiences to them.

Fab answer.

@GoldenDoll You're kind 🙂

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Messing with receptors in the brain a God does not make. There have been studies where they blocked the receptors with other drugs and it caused the euphoria, hullicinations and I would guess that feeling of energy to stop. That energy manifesting itself is your brain misfiring. Might feel great and seem important but don't read too much into it.

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Many People Who Have Used L.S.D. etc have reported "God" like experiences.This is simply the effect on the brain of these drugs.

Coldo Level 8 Apr 10, 2018
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