Kamala has guts and no fear. If she had gone for the octagonal office, she would have had my vote.

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"Supressed vote count"? Where/when???,,.....I'll wait right here while you get some actual FACTS instead of beleiving drump.....

@AnneWimsey

Please be (vastly) more careful in your reading and responding. I really dislike being mislabeled when I haven't earned it. Once you have read below, it would be nice if you would apologize to me. I don't necessarily expect that to happen, but it would be nice.

Trump believes in a fantasy fraudulent vote, basically because he has made this up and invested heavily in it with his thinking and work.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, the term voter suppression is used in reference to people who want to vote but who are unable to do so. It is a well documented method that is generally used, year after year, decade after decade, to reduce the number of people who are able to vote and the use of this method often ends up strongly favoring right-of-center folks in their efforts to stop legitimate left-of-center voters from voting. The addition of insult to injury this year is that not only does it appear that at least some voter suppression has continued to take place (though it is hard to tell) but with Trump's Snipe Hunt looking for non-existent vote fraud, he has successfully distracted from finding out more about whether and to what extent voter suppression took place.

And now, with your misreading of my comment, you are helping Trump et. al. to continue to distract from getting a proper quantitative handle on the voter suppression numbers. I'm not going to do all the work for you of bringing you up to speed on this, but a couple of starting points for you:

[aljazeera.com]
Opinions
US Elections 2020
In the US, voter suppression will remain the norm
Do not let the early voting numbers and Biden’s win fool you.
Donald Earl Collins
Lecturer of History at American University in Washington, DC.
8 Nov 2020

[en.wikipedia.org]

@kmaz today, even Barr is giving up on this BS...but you? Nooooooo

Hi @AnneWimsey

I'm happy (and always have been) to see Trump lose, and to see his false claims of vote fraud debunked.

Barr and Trump are talking about "VOTE FRAUD". I am talking about "VOTER SUPPRESSION", which is QUITE A DIFFERENT THING. You don't seem to be capable of understanding this, or at least, to this point, you are showing a disinclination to consider the possibility that you have misread things.

VOTER SUPPRESSION is an under-discussed tool that Mr. Trump has been using in his dishonest attempts to win. It is part of his strategy to use people like you to take advantage of your confusion as to the difference between Vote Fraud with Voter Suppression. You are helping Mr. Trump's cause by accusing others, INCORRECTLY, of being on the same side of Mr. Barr and Trump, et. al. I am not on their side. I am against their side.

I see that you are unreachable, and in falsely ascribing something to me, and refusing to see it or retract it, UNETHICAL.

I've had experience in the past of your un-reachability once you have decided something. I'm disappointed that nobody else has stepped up to try to set you straight on the basics of what is being discussed here, but maybe they have also experienced that, or maybe they simply don't care, or maybe they also are confused.

My only other recourse I can think of within board rules is to block you and/or to report your grossly misleading posts about my views and see if the admins will take them down. I'm not sure if I've filed that sort of report before, and I don't know how that will go, but it's all I can think of. I"'ll see about doing it later today.

Sorry, to others, for the shouting, but I'm not quite sure what else to do, to try to break through to someone who is so awfully making my posts into some sort of disgusting straw man.

@kmaz I live in a state that accepts 6 forms of ID, including addressed letters. , I am willing to believe there may be suppression elsewhere, but apparently a lot less than 6 million plus, so how bad could it possibly be?

@AnneWimsey

If Voter Suppression wasn't there, it would probably would be a larger margin of victory for Biden, not a smaller number. I'm not fighting to get rid of the 6m. I happen to be a Biden voter. I'm fighting to undo some of the corruption of the US voting system that has been done in multiple ways, (and largely by the right).

Do you understand what Voter Suppression is? I have tried to post at least one helpful link. I'll write out one example I heard about recently:

I was on a zoom call with some old high school classmates and one of them remarked that their college student child was away at school and did not receive their absentee ballot (which I was told they had ordered well ahead of time) in time to send it back in. So, the student was not able to vote. The ballot was likely slowed down by Trump's disgusting slowdown of the US mail system. So, this was one example of Voter Suppression, where someone was prevented from voting, in this case by the dirty trick of slowing down the mail system.

Another example would be where a person who does not have time to watch out for dirty tricks is removed improperly from being registered to vote, and does not find this out until they go to the polls to vote.

@SeaGreenEyez

I've watched politicians - almost always Republicans, chip away at our voting rights for decades. It's a pet issue I guess, particularly because the actual issue itself of voting system integrity is inherently non-partisan. And so it has been a particularly disgusting experience to watch Trump continue that effort with his ridiculous snipe hunt commission on voting system integrity in 2017, and now with his ridiculous Vote Fraud accusations (not to mention his infamous and lethal slow-down of the mail system during a pandemic).

With all that said, the Democrats tend to be naive and I've watched them gain their toe-holds and win elections and then fail to be aware that they need to repair the voting system, and defend it from ongoing attacks. Our country - the rule of law - almost just died, and yet I still see this naivete in play..... maybe a bit similar to 2008. Meanwhile, I would be shocked if the Republicans did not get busy immediately continuing their nefarious work of trying further to undermine our voting system.

What you say is true - I think several factors this year did reduce some of the real systemic concerns, this time around, and render moot the systemic concerns at least for a political moment. I think Trump well realized that unfortunately for him, the pandemic's special circumstances would lead more people to vote, and vote early, through the mail. If you oppose Trump, as I do, then this was a silver lining to watch. Voter apathy was reduced, and more people voted, and some of them succeeded in voting even when hurdles were placed in their way. And many state officials, including Republicans, did step up and stand up to the pressures on them and report honestly that what they saw of the election was fair.

Still, there was successful suppression. For example, some tried to vote but did not succeed. For one anecdotal example, one or two acquaintances related to me that their college age kids went away and tried to vote by absentee ballot, but those ballots either never reached the children, or their return ballots may not have been received by the appropriate departments in time.... and this was at least in part because of the mail system slowdown. So.... modern voter suppression in play. There were probably other forms of suppression that were in play. For example, I am waiting to see if any enterprising investigative honest journalists are able to bring us news of whether progress has been made on some of the native American reservations where, in the past, their votes for President may not have been counted properly.

Although the 7 million popular vote victory margin is a wonderful thing from my standpoint, I can't help but keep in mind that, when it comes to the electoral college, we have escaped by the skin of our teeth. Here in Arizona, for example, where so many have died attributable in part to Mr. Trump's Pandemic Malfeasance, the victory margin was still less than 20k votes.

So, personally, and in light of just how awful this election has been for me to watch, and in light of how awful it is to see Trump shouting "Rigged Election!" and "Vote Fraud!" so loudly, knowing that part of his goal is distract from his own disgusting attacks on the voting system, I am inclined to advocate for all of us being aware there is a lot of work to do if we want to have fair elections in the coming years.

If none of my blah-blah makes sense, this investigative journalist, while brash and raw and not really everyone's cup of tea, does a good job, in my view, of staying on this story of the attacks on the US Voting System integrity.

[gregpalast.com]
Election Day Mayhem Began Two Years Ago With Massive Voter Purges
by Greg Palast for Truthout
November 4, 2020

this one isn't his byline, but good to see the coverage of the issues:
[gregpalast.com]
A Lawsuit in Georgia Claims that Nearly 200,000 Registered Voters were Improperly Purged
by Eileen Sullivan for New York Times
December 2, 2020

"....LaTosha Brown, the head of Black Voters Matter Fund, one of the plaintiffs in the suit, said the issue with the election was not voter fraud.

“It’s been a voter suppression,” she said during a news conference on Wednesday with members of the other advocacy groups. “Massive scale voter suppression.”...."

I used to try to support him and one or two other voting system integrity pathways with tiny amounts, but in recent years have not been able.

I realize my comments must have come across as a non-sequiteur because here at the moment of our triumph over evil I was deliberately taking up a topic that I know has been successfully obscured by that evil, but I'm just exhausted (as I know many of us are) and couldn't bring myself to think it out more calmly or explain better at the time. In particular, it has been just awful to see Mr. Trump (et al) get away with pretending to care about Voting System integrity while simultaneously doing so much to harm to that same system. So many Americans seem to have little idea that this is happening. Many of them gullibly believe the one-note rigged-election narrative from Trump et al. Others do not believe this narrative, and rightly oppose it, but do not realize that meanwhile a real attempt is being made to rig the election (in the opposite direction) through other means.

And if we break it down to those simple human terms, then doesn't it make more sense? Isn't it common for the perpetrator of a crime to get out front and shout that someone else is engaged in the crime? That is what Mr. Trump is doing - he has tried to steal/rig the election while complaining loudly that he is battling this.

Oh, it's you again, the FAKE doctor from Jasper AL...I called, neither the local county nor the State Medical Association have ever heard of you & were Very interested in your claims of prescribing substances...have a nice time while they look for you, with the pic I provided from here, you LIAR!

@AnneWimsey Hahaha. You’re fun. I invited you up to hang out and grab lunch to prove me wrong in person too.
Be sure to call the Birmingham hospitals tomorrow.

@SeaGreenEyez We feel exactly the same, so it’s all good.