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First Law of Thermodynamics: energy can be neither created nor destroyed.

I agree with this. It's a core part of my belief system.

I'm curious - if you also agree with this law, has it/how has it informed your beliefs? What happens to human energy when we die? Past lives/reincarnation? I'm sure y'all have some interesting theories. 😙

NYTrink 6 July 29
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Scientific laws are factual descriptions of nature. They are not to be believed or disbelieved, but rather understood and accepted. You might as well ask if I believe in gravity. (By the way, the phenomenon of gravity, ubiquitous as it is, is not completely understood by science; there is no theory of gravity. Nevertheless, I am compelled by my senses to accept the varying attraction of bodies depending on their masses.)

Most living things on Earth get their energy, directly or indirectly, from the sun. A small minority get their energy from the Earth's internal heat (generated from the breakdown of radioactive elements). All living things use their energy to drive chemical reactions that allow them to build and maintain a body, procreate, gather needed, nutrients, etc. You can think of this process as creating order out of disorder. The chemical reactions of life are mostly facilitated by proteins called enzymes, which are built according to the organism's DNA code. most of the energy that an animal like a human
being takes in is used for moving around, digesting food, running the immune system, thinking, etc. As these activities are carried out, the energy is released in the form of heat. The heat dissipates into outer space. Some of the energy is also used for growing, by building macromolecules like proteins, fats, oils, DNA, and glycogen. These molecules contain energy in their chemical bonds.

When an organism dies, the reactions specified by the DNA cease and a different set of reactions take over, resulting in the decomposition of the body. This second set of reactions is also driven by solar energy (heat). You can slow these reactions down by lowering the ambient temperature. That's why morgues are kept relatively cool. Since this second set of reactions is not guided by DNA but rather another thermodynamic law called entropy, the body goes from a more ordered state to a less ordered state. The spontaneous breakdown of the body's tissues is usually accompanied by the release of heat. This heat also dissipates into outer space.

Ultimately, the amount of energy taken in by an organism is exactly equal to the amount that it gives off during its life and subsequent decomposition. The ledger is perfectly balanced.

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Energy comes in many forms - heat, electric, potential, kinetic etc. "Human" is not one of them.

Gareth Level 7 July 30, 2021
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Unfortunately, “energy,” used in a non-specific and unscientific way, has become a popular buzzword with the new-agey “spiritual”/superstitious crowd. “Quantum” is another word purloined from physics and misused to justify all sorts of crackpot ideas.

(Be careful: I was convicted of breaking the Fourth Law of Thermodynamics back in the ‘60s and served 10 days in the county jail in Greenbow, Mississippi. It’s the law.)

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Properly stated, in normal reactions, energy may be neither created or destroyed. We now understand that in exothermic reactions, minute immeasurable except with the most delicate of instruments., some matter is indeed transformed into energy and in nuclear reactions matter is definitely converted into energy.

Human energy is just stored chemical energy and will return to the universe when we die.

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We "Accept" scientific laws. They are not opinions to "Agree" with...

True. Poor choice of words. Like "discovering" gravity...it just IS.

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I agree that 'energy can be transformed from one form to another, but can be neither created nor destroyed.' I think it is good to ask what happens to our energy when we die and when we are conceived. I was raised Agnostic/Atheist, yet often have pondered why I identify deeply with earlier time. I think individual consciousness is part of all energy.

I have been trying to determine exactly what consciousness is. It seems to mean different things depending on how it is applied. I have seen reference to consciousness as personal. or totally subjective, a way for us to take in parts of what we sense in the world, meaning that we do not need to keep track of everything we see or sense. I have also seen reference to consciousness as being behind (my word) reality, a kind of force that helps direct the workings at the quantum level. Since none of this can be measured so far it is all speculation. What I would like to see is my personal consciousness have an ability to mix with the consciousness of the Universe at some level that can be experienced but is taken from us by our elementary understanding of reality. I am sorry for the punctuation as I am having trouble explaining this to myself so the possibility of explaining it to someone else is hard.

@dalefvictor
I remember it is said that if one comprehends that personal consciousness and universal energy mix together, that concept is impossible to adequately explain to someone else. I have tried to explain, and could not, except maybe to someone else who already understood.

@AnonySchmoose "Universe consciousness?" Where is there evidence that the universe has consciousness?

@BirdMan1
I wrote that in a hurry. There is no evidence of universal consciousness. I meant to say universal energy or something similar.

@AnonySchmoose I was listening to a Podcast between Lex Fridman and Sam Harris. They were talking about this and it was quite interesting, they defined terms and sorry I had to stop the talk and get Kate to the Clinic. I will listen to the whole talk, I am hoping there is a transcript.

@dalefvictor
I'll be interested to learn more about the Podcast.

@AnonySchmoose

I went to the site on Youtube and this link worked for me. You will see that it is about 3 hrs. long. Long for Lex but this just means that it is full of good stuff, at least this is my opinion. While you are at this link check out some of the other podcasts, I have been listening to them for over a year and have been impressed, even with the ones I would think I would have no interest in.
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I think it’s a mistake to separate “human energy” from all energy.

Mvtt Level 7 July 29, 2021

Agreed! energy is energy...it has no consciousness, awareness of whose/what's energy it is. "Matter is congealed energy," according to Einstein.

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can it be converted to consciousness? because consciousness exist energy must be involved in its production and support that process. could consciousness simply be a construct of energy(s) adding up to more than the sum of its parts?could consciousness be some form existence that doesn't break the conservation rule that is yet unmeasurable, even undetected?

Consciousness is not simply a construct, it is an embodied process of complexity, and the energy that runs it dissipates when we die, and complexity dissolves.

@BirdMan1 maybe.

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When a person dies, the energy contained in that entity is simply dissipated into the environment that contained it. via release of heat, chemical reactions, and physical changes. It is as simple as that.

Entropy enters the picture.

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I don't put beliefs around scientific facts. It's redundant.

"The thing about science is that it doesn't care if you believe it or not"

redhog Level 7 July 29, 2021
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Can you tell me what is actually left after one dies? Can you measure what you are talking about? Sources?

@Diagoras True, I'm not looking for proof/disproving. Just conversation around a topic I hear discussed in agnostic circles (less so with atheists such as myself). However, as I noted, I do belive in energies, even those we can't currently measure (just like radio waves or microwaves not that long ago). I know I can feel an energy emanating from a person at timed. Just curious what others think might be going on there.

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I have no beliefs. My world view is founded on falsifiable evidence. The First Law of Thermodynamics is an observable phenomenon (and is hence falsifiable), no belief required.

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I agree with the theory of Thermodynamics. When we die we no longer consume food which means we no longer burn calories (energy). Our brain stops functioning from lack of energy and we no longer exist. We are just a mass of bone and flesh that returns to the earth.

BethPl Level 5 July 29, 2021

Any thoughts on consciousness/mind/spirit-type energy? Is it no different than other energy (meaning it's also composed of particles of some kind)?

@NYTrink Without fuel to the brain it quits functioning. I don't think there is any type of special spirit-type energy that leaves the brain at death. It's a beautiful fantasy that something special lives on but I believe we reach our end. I just try to live life fully while I'm here.

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If energy can't be created, then why does the sun give off so much energy?

Its based on mass-energy conservation. During fusion reaction the mass of the colliding substances are collectively more than the mass of products,which confirms that the energy is not created but generated as a result of compromising some amount of mass. This is Einsteins famous equation E=mc^2.

@juli15 Generated sound like created to me. If not the cases then please explain in layman's terms.

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When a person dies does the released energy make things shake and quake? Not that I have seen except maybe in the movies. You are not likely to be present when someone is shot to death and experience this energy either. Here one minute and gone the next. It works that way in hospital waiting for the loved one to die. The only manifestations along this line that I have witnessed appears to come out of the anger we find in survivors and not anything from the dead and dying.

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