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Members, look at it objectively, let not overly patriotism or jingoism drive your opinion.

Many of you are probably veterans from these wars. But please see from history's eyes.

The United States has lost these wars:

  1. Korea (communism won in North Kora, China won in not allowing taking all of Korea)
  2. Vietnam (communism won)
  3. Syria (we allowed Russians to take control)
  4. Iraq (Iraq is fragile, we don't have the control of oil and have fully withdrawn)
  5. Afghanistan (the rule that we fought, spent trillions on, lost thousands of American lives, allowed countless Afghan lives to be lost... is back within days after our 20 years of war)

If I look back, I think the only war we won was the Spanish war of 1898. Please tell me what you think.

The WWII was a war with the allies against one country. 11 countries including powerful allies like England, Russia and entire English Commonwealth contributed to fight one country, we surely contributed big time. Does that count? Ok it was an American victory.

St-Sinner 9 Aug 15
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But didn't you win WW2 ?

All allies against Germany were overpowering, allies were strong including Russia, the UK, France and other European nations. We get the credit because the alliance won and we made sacrifices. But Biden was in the place of FDR, we would have surely lost that too.

@St-Sinner Yes. My comment was meant to ironic. I was told by a member here that if it wasn't for the US forces in WW2 I would now be speaking German

@Moravian
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Is your friend a Republican and from the South? They think the word revolves around Jesus and their patriotism. Nobody in the world is as patriotic.

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Afghanistan’s acting defense minister, General Bismillah Mohammadi, slammed the fleeing president Ashraf Ghani in a brief tweet Sunday, writing: “They tied our hands behind our backs and sold the homeland, damn the rich man and his gang.”

One Taliban security official said there was a “peaceful handover of government facilities ongoing across the country.” Another spoke briefly in English to say that he had formerly been held by the US in Guantanamo, a claim that CNN cannot independently verify.

QUESTION
What if a few Americans are captured in Afghanistan and the Taliban demand that all in Guantanamo Bay must be released immediately?

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Wars are not a fucking sporting event where 2 opponents square off for a set time with a tangible scoring system, they are much more grey in their outcomes. With Korea, I don't see how we lost. The outcome was not allowing communism to overrun the entire peninsula and it allowed the creation of a very prosperous and peaceful South Korea, What has happened to North Korea was their own doing. To 'win' outright in Korea would have required nuking China and that wouldn't have been a win for anybody.
Same with Vietnam, what was the ultimate outcome? A stable, peaceful, friendly country. There again to win outright would have required a nuclear confrontation with the Soviet Union and China.
As for the Middle East, that situation is still to fluid to declare any type outcome and we may very well not be completely done militarily over there, only time will tell.
But I totally applaud Joe Biden, for having the guts to do what needed to be done at this time. As for the ultimate outcome there, only time will tell. But I will predict that it will be way different from what most are predicting, most humans tend to have their thinking very rooted in the past.

Thank you. Taliban is promising that it won't repeat past atrocities.

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It must be great to wallow in generalizations 24/7/365

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Superior technology and numbers do not guarantee victory. Yet too many generals believe it does.
Nearly 700 years ago the French had superior technology (the crossbow) and vastly superior numbers, including a huge number of aristocratic cavalry, the fast moving "tanks" of their day.
Facing them was an army a quarter of their size, mainly on foot, and with only a limited cavalry. It also had many foot-soldiers armed with the "primitive" longbow.
The crossbow had tremendous accuracy and hitting power. The Magnum of its day.
The longbow needed hours of practice to achieve accuracy, but crucially its arrows flew, giving it twice the range of the crossbow, and it was also faster to reload.
The battle of Crecy went against all expectations. The English archers first assaulted the out of range crossbow men, until they eventually fled. The archers then turned their attentions to the French cavalry as they attacked, reducing their numbers considerably. There was wave upon wave of cavalry attacks, but the English repulsed them again and again, with the archers wreaking havoc upon them. It was a resounding victory for dedicated soldiers, on foot, and the previously despised longbows of the Welsh and English archers.
Later, the French king gave orders that any English longbowmen who were captured had to have the index and middle fingers of their right hand amputated, to ensure they could never again shoot. This gave rise to the taunt still in use today of raising these two fingers, slightly apart as though on a bow string, and inviting the enemy to come and get them - if they could!!
It is not a crude gesture, as some people believe.

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objectively....these days war is not fought to be won or lost. wars are fought to keep the war industry alive and profitable.

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We defeated Grenada...

Lol... are you a Regan Democrat?

@St-Sinner democrat somewhat. No love for Reagan.

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The winners and losers of wars are not countries, they're individuals, and I'd be willing to bet for every single war you say America lost there were Americans who won.

Help me understand.
Who won? Americans who returned back home? What about the ones who did not?

@St-Sinner No, the rich people who get richer no matter which side "wins".

@JeffMurray

Ah, I got it now, you mean the rich donors to Bush and Cheney and the likes?

@St-Sinner Basically. Defense contractors. Weapons manufacturers. Stock holders that may have gotten some inside information. Non "little guys".

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