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Not much surprises me anymore. I am a Democratic Socialist not a liberal, but significantly more sympathetic to liberals than conservatives. But I am surprised by the immediate offence being taken by liberals here to the posting of international perspectives to the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

I am trying to understand exactly what is going on and why and believe that exposure all relevant info will make it possible. Of course it is up to me to assess the accuracy and validity of that info. Why the strong opposition to the consideration of all perspectives as a means of promoting the resolution of conflict?

LovinLarge 8 Mar 21
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Hmmm, ppl. like Krish55 brought this up about liberals to hide their sick mind, the simple fact is; War is the enemy, will fuck the economy, democracy, future, humanity... and all, is there any question about this ?!
I don't think it's a good time to split and fuck the solidarity with these titles right now. Trump did enough, pls take a break from this game. the Truth and simple thing is Dictatorship and wars, like covid, don't care about your mind and belief.
under Democracy, all the socialists, liberals, and conservatives can live in peace and harmony and fix things during the time, it's HARD for sure but it's the only way to go. we need all of these thoughts in society to check and balance. if you eliminate one side will ruin all.
pls, don't put yourself in that hate machine and mind trap.

Diaco Level 7 Mar 22, 2022

I agree. I oppose all war and all killing. Peace is the goal. Defend from within.

But I'm talking about unrestricted access to information. The better my access to relevant information, the more accurate my assessment of the situation but only if I start from a position free of bias.

I will say that given the complexity of this situation, it does not appear that any of the players are entirely innocent. That does not make me a Russian asset, it makes me Switzerland.

@LovinLarge No one is innocent, there isn't such a thing as a saint. all the countries, nations, humans seek and go for their interests, that's why we have international Laws and United Nations! to protect and keep peace and security. personally, like covid, I will trust and follow experts and Valid organizations to deal with that.

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The situation is complex, but that complexity doesn't excuse Putin's treachery.

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This is why I haven't spouted a lot of opinions about this war.
It's a complex situation that ignorant complaints only make worse.
I have learned a lot about the entire situation, the hardest thing was how little I can personally do to help.
Which keeps me preparing to help in any little way I can, and if I can't I can't and the world will have to be satisfied with my answer for that.
I don't just see Putin as a dictator, I also see him as the man behind the curtain of most of the far right leaders we've had to deal with including Donald Trump. I consider Trump to be nothing more than Putin's middle management for the North American continent. Donald was hoping to get promoted from President of the United States to becoming one of Putin's oligarchs. It's a sweet life when you actually have $Billions.

Totally agree. First the US and the destruction of NATO. Then Russia gets the rest of Europe and much of the middle east, I have no idea what the Arabs get, but they can fight Putin for whatever is left.

Been thinking about it a little and perhaps the Arabs get northern Africa to Iran and Afghanistan. No the Chinese want Afghanistan. India either gets to stay independent as they are nuclear and China gets the rest. Have not figured out what happens to Australia and New Zealand. We get the rest of the western world. Of course, this will not last long as it will be fucked up as no one has any sense at all, so just another cluster f_. We live in interesting times.

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I haven’t yet noticed such offense but will now watch for it. On the whole, however, I don’t tend to think that info, alone, will generate understanding (partly for the reasons you express).

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I'm a Democratic Socialist too. I didn't pick up on what you said is happening. I'm oblivious sometimes.

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