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Every state in the country has Safe Haven laws that allow a women to drop off an infant at a fire station no repercussions, no questions. Unless they repeal those laws too, any pregnant woman that's being denied an abortion that wants to go out drinking, heavily, daily, throughout her pregnancy I would be happy to accompany you. If the alcohol doesn't cause the miscarriage you need, I'll go with you to drop it off at the fire station, too. Maybe if the state is overrun with infants with FAS and they're hemorrhaging money they'll reconsider their policies.

ChestRockfield 8 May 7
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You Can be arrested/fined for drug use & alcoholabuse during pregnancy in many places, ad unless you deliver in an alley, babies born with signs of fetal alcohol syndrome or drugs in their system result in the mother's immediate arrest and the baby seized by DCYS at birth.

Not in the US you can't...
Anyway, the women in this scenario do not want the children anyway, and are planning to give it up, so the authorities taking it at birth just saves us a trip to the fire station...

@ChestRockfield um, yes,this is a USA thing & the mom will most likely get jail time ......
Google "what happens if my baby is born with.........."

@AnneWimsey I did. I posted the result right there.

@ChestRockfield many but not all states treat/charge it as child abuse!
You did not keep reading.
JAMA had a huge discussion about it in 2017, to give doctors/nurses mandtory reporting guidelines, it's not new.

@AnneWimsey Show me. Links please. I looked and only found ONE case that wasn't thrown out or overturned. It was a woman who was taken to the ED drunk and high on cocaine who verbalized to staff that she was trying to kill the baby and drink herself to death. And, again, high on COCAINE- an illegal substance.

@ChestRockfield I use a 10" tablet exclusively & cannot figure out how to Make a link with it, lucky I can click on them I guess.
So you will have to Google Exactly what I told you all by yourself & then read the 30+ pages that came up for me.
Shame you are so intent on proving your (cruel, abusive, illegal "plan" of deforming/crippling children to "make them sorry" ) so you ignore both common sense, common decency & the enforced laws....

@AnneWimsey I did Google what you said. The evidence you're suggesting doesn't exist. I posted the quote directly from the government website stating that it is not illegal for pregnant women to drink alcohol. Show me official documentation that it is illegal and I'll concede. Take a picture of your tablet with your phone, email to yourself so you can access it with your tablet, and use the "add photo" button below the comment box. You're not going to be able to do that though because just as my government website support shows, it is NOT illegal in ANY state for pregnant women to drink alcohol. I'll post it again in case you didn't actually open the picture and read the proof the other times I posted it.
And I'm not saying the goal should be to create infants with fetal alcohol syndrome. I'm saying that women can do whatever they'd like to do or would normally do if they're being forced to carry a fetus they want to abort but can't. If that results in a miscarriage, great. If it results in FAS, oh well. The Right are the ones that think abortion is the worst possible outcome for a pregnancy, so they should be happy the baby has FAS instead of not existing. I support women, and cannot abide women's lives and actions being controlled on top of their uteruses being owned by the government.

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That solution is arguably worse than abortion. Not only could it damage the woman's liver, it runs the risk of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome to an innocent child, should the mother carry to term.

Abortion doesn't risk hurting a child. Embryos and fetuses don't count as "children" in my view (nor to science).

Exactly. It's way worse. To prevent that, they should keep abortion legal.

@ChestRockfield "Make this thing that you're against legal, or I'll do something way worse..." Well, that didn't work with drinking ages (kids crossed state lines to where they could drink legally, then drove drunk to get home), recreational drugs, or... well, anything, really. I don't think it would incentivize people to support legal abortion.

I'm highlighting the fact that complete bans on abortion are going to either lead to worse problems like this, or worse problems like turning our country into Gilead where we have to completely control and subjugate women to protect the fetuses we're forcing on them.

@ChestRockfield Then I suggest urging anyone and everyone who values freedom to vote Democrat in November.

There are more of us than there are of them.

@Paul4747 This is a little different than drinking ages. 1. The federal government decided to withhold money for highways unless the states complied with a drinking age of 21. Problem of driving to the next state: solved.
2. The state doesn't have a huge problem of they don't let kids drink like they do if they don't let women get abortions, so the women have a little bit more power than the children and threatening (or carrying out a threat) to do something worse could change the outcome.

I support anyone doing anything they can legally do to combat the trampling of their rights.

@Paul4747 In sheer numbers, sure, but that's not how we elect people.

@ChestRockfield As pointed out by @AnneWimsey, your suggested solution is actually illegal in many jurisdictions. It's called Reckless Endangerment with a side of Child Abuse.

@Paul4747 Every single case except one with cocaine was overturned on appeal. It is not illegal to drink while pregnant.

@ChestRockfield It's how we elect governors and U.S. Senators, at very least.

Evangelicals are such a big deal because they vote, as a bloc, every election. They vote in a much higher percentage than liberals, who tend to come out for Presidential elections and even then, are inconsistent and lodge "protest votes" for third parties instead of strategically voting to kick the Republicans out. Just ask Al Gore about that. Or look at the number of "progressives" who wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton, because she wasn't Bernie Sanders.

We need to get our act together and vote for the achievable, not the ideal. We could achieve a Democratic Executive and Legislative in DC every election if we just got out the vote. Look at Georgia. Look at Arizona. Hell's bells, even Texas nearly went Democrat last time.

We can do this. But only if we vote as a bloc, and every time. We could get a Constitutional amendment protecting the right of privacy. Then we tell the conservative courts to stuff it.

@ChestRockfield "Overturned on appeal" still means the woman was charged with a crime and had to spend valuable time and money defending themselves. They likely spent time in jail.

And YES IT IS. I don't know what your sources are, but "Currently, 21 US states have policies requiring that pregnant women who consume alcohol be reported to child services, 20 consider the women liable for child abuse, and five recommend civil commitment," according to [qz.com]. And this was the first reference that came up when I searched the phrase "states illegal to drink while pregnant". I think you failed Basic Research 101 on this.

@Paul4747 I failed basic research?? Did you even read any of your own site??

The SECOND sentence:
"Forty-three US states have regulations around the practice, which range from prohibiting criminal prosecution of pregnant women who drink alcohol to mandating rehab for pregnant women who drink alcohol."

So the range YOUR site found was a PROHIBITION of criminal prosecution to rehab. No criminal charges. No jail time.

YOUR site is some random editorial page. My site is the ncbi official government website.

Some people get arrested for crimes they didn't commit or for things that aren't crimes at all. Shit happens. People have gotten arrested for non-violent protests. But if you want to do something to fight the trampling of your rights you're bound to be risking arrest. But again ONLY ONE person ever charged for this has ever been convicted and she openly stated she was trying to kill the baby and kill herself and was also using cocaine.

As for the voting, I couldn't agree more that's what we need to do, but I doubt it will happen. The left is fractured. I fight with Bernie Bros almost as much as Republicans because they're too stupid to understand Deverger's Law.
Also, for all the talk people spout about, 'no uterus, no opinion' (as insanely stupid and fallacious as that argument is) there was actually only a 2 percentage point difference as of PEW study last year, and according to Bill Maher's show on Friday, there's actually new numbers that show men are more pro-choice than women... so good luck getting women to vote as a bloc against abortion bans. I like my plan. Obviously I'll never need it, I'm just showing my support for any of the women of Gilead that need someone that straight doesn't give a fuck and will do anything to help them.

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