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Hubble discovered using red shift that the further a galaxy is away from us, the faster it is moving away from us. Astrophysicists concluded that therefore there must be some mysterious force prying the universe apart. Dark energy. Ridiculous. A third grader could figure it out. Take a piece of paper, put the big bang at the center and draw lines in radiating directions as matter was ejected. There is no place on that chart you can place yourself where it would not be true that the further an object is from you the faster it is moving away from you. I am left to wonder how the pseudo intellectuals keep their jobs.

splittingzero 6 Dec 8
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@splittingzero -- you are missing the important ingredient for why dark energy was proposed in the first place. So, dark energy is not a thing -- it is a name for an effect that has been observed. I suggest the following article for an explanation that is both brief and understandable:

[science.nasa.gov]

@splittingzero - Still missing the point, my friend. When factoring in the effect of gravity for the total mass of the Universe, it should be slowing down, but it is accelerating. We can calculate the rate at which objects should be moving away from a single event including the mass involved and it is not behaving as it should. When we say dark energy, we're not talking about something we can define, it's just a convenient way to say something is acting on the Universe that can only be observed indirectly through effect. It could be, for example, that our understanding of gravity's properties is incomplete. It could be that this dark energy is a property of space-time that has escaped us. We don't know. Here is an article that is clear and fairly complete dealing with the issue of dark energy:

[space.com]

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Well I won't say "at the risk of sounding ignorant" because evidently I have nothing left to risk, so...

  1. If I put myself away from the center and look inward, things are moving towards me, not away at all.
  2. Have you assumed some acceleration? If stuff moves at constant velocity, this doesn't work at all.

Get angry at my stupidity if it helps you. I don't care,

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Turtles. All the way down.

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@splittingzero

Hi splittingzero. Going by your deduction it should be relatively easy to determine where the centre of the universe is, and, therefore, the distance of our planet from it. I have been unable to locate this information. Could you please point me in the right direction?

Yes yes, I understand, but if we know where we are on the map then we can find our way to the popcorn vendor.....

The effect is more easily explained by saying that the distance between point A and point B on an inflating globe (just a convenient way to put it) is increasing at one rate, but the more distant point C on that globe is increasing at a greater rate. The reason for this is that there is more space to expand between A and C. This is an easy thing to calculate. The problem is that the expansion is increasing at a greater rate than it should. We are able to calculate the acceleration expected from a uniform expansion and that is not what we find.

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That isn't quite right. The finding was that those distant objects are accelerating. The expectation was that the speed of those objects should be decreasing, not increasing. But increasing it is, and this is what the red shift showed us.

I do kind of see where you're coming from, but there is something that screws this up: galactic rotation. As far as I know, our galaxy is rotating. Also, if I recall correctly, it's also in motion as a whole, but I don't recall if it's rotating about some other point. One would have to take into account this movement when making observations of distant galaxies in regards to the shift in light wavelength, especially since these would make the most difference.

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What if I told you that the objects aren't moving at all, instead it is the space between them that is expanding. So, the further away an object appears, the greater the rate of expansion, resulting in a further shift to the red.

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@atheist,

yes, although that description can be confusing too.

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Not following you... distance and speed are not co-dependant.

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