Stephen Spielberg’s daughter choosing to become a porn star. [apple.news]

Druvius comments on Feb 20, 2020:

Why is this news?

A rare Mazie moment. She came to lay on me. 😊

Druvius comments on Feb 20, 2020:

Reminded me of this pic of my late great Snowbee.

These are my 3.

Druvius comments on Feb 20, 2020:

Ginger tabbies are the fastest cats, their stripes make them more aerodynamic.

A Neanderthal skeleton unearthed in an Iraqi cave, already famous for fossils of these cousins of ...

Druvius comments on Feb 19, 2020:

There's no smoking gun here indicating burial, let alone ritual burial. It's suggestive, but we are still a long ways from settling the issue. 70 years of debate on the topic already.

I told my religious friend about my post on Noah's Ark.

Druvius comments on Feb 19, 2020:

They are social/cultural beliefs, and as such are pretty strongly resistant to change. And found in all stripes of people. Millions of people are convinced glyphosate causes cancer for example, despite the overwhelming evidence that it can't and doesn't. Social belief.

Has anyone met or are trump supporters who can cite sources for what they believe?

Druvius comments on Feb 17, 2020:

Is Rush Limbaugh a source? ;)

Strange particles found in Antarctica cannot be explained by physics | New Scientist

Druvius comments on Feb 15, 2020:

Interesting, scientists will be scratching their heads over this for awhile. Non paywall article: https://www.sciencealert.com/standard-physics-has-been-ruled-out-for-neutrino-like-particles-slipping-through-our-planet

'That's here.

Druvius comments on Feb 14, 2020:

Good going Carl Sagan. :)

People Born Blind Are Mysteriously Protected From Schizophrenia The possible explanations could ...

Druvius comments on Feb 13, 2020:

Reminds me of the mirror box treatment for people with phantom limb pain. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_box

People Born Blind Are Mysteriously Protected From Schizophrenia The possible explanations could ...

Druvius comments on Feb 13, 2020:

Fascinating.

When we go back to Enceladus what would be the best way to get through the ice to the ocean ( ...

Druvius comments on Feb 10, 2020:

A very very carefully sterilized probe. At this point numerous life bearing rocks blasted from Earth have struck Enceladus, and will continue to do so for billions of years, so biota interchange is inevitable.

WHY BERNIE WILL BE A GUARANTEED FAILURE?

Druvius comments on Feb 10, 2020:

Fascinating example of motivated reasoning (we'll ignore the smattering of lies.)

Russian Media Outlets are Blaming the Coronavirus on the United States Conspiracies pushed by ...

Druvius comments on Feb 9, 2020:

Not the only country floating rumors like this. Makes sense, if it gets really bad best to have a scapegoat to blame it on. And, LOL, turnabout is fair play. Blaming Russia for ills than America brought upon itself has been a growth industry in the US the past few years.

[newsone.

Druvius comments on Feb 6, 2020:

His tactic of using human beings as props for his SOTU addresses is problematic on several levels.

[zerohedge.

Druvius comments on Feb 6, 2020:

Even I, a non scientist, know that the "mini ice age" she is talking about wasn't a global climate event, wasn't an ice age, and had multiple causes.

Google has released a tool to spot faked and doctored images [technologyreview.com]

Druvius comments on Feb 6, 2020:

Good ... but ... won't make much, if any, difference. People believe what they want to believe.

Experts envision two scenarios if the new coronavirus isn’t contained [statnews.com]

Druvius comments on Feb 5, 2020:

Good article, seems reasonable.

Listening to the President's State of the Union speech.

Druvius comments on Feb 5, 2020:

Well put. Self serving nonsense. This is what you get when a "leader" surrounds himself with sycophants and yes men.

Today's Fun Facts (5 is a cheat to determine who's intelligent and who isn't.

Druvius comments on Feb 2, 2020:

#2 is misleading. This law was passed because innocent people were being held liable for accidents (especially with rear end scammers) because they jumped out of their cars after an accident and unthinkingly said "I'm sorry." And because lawsuits would drag on in court for many years and appeals, when all the litigant really wanted was an apology. It's a very sensible law, at least one US state has passed it as well.

Blind religion accounting for yet more lives. [bbc.com]

Druvius comments on Feb 2, 2020:

Not sure what this has to do with religion, people die in crushes in theatres, concerts, sporting events, etc. It's an indication of inadequate crowd control.

I'm curious, why should the Iowa Caucuses garner or lead national news coverage?

Druvius comments on Feb 2, 2020:

Because it's an indication of who's running the best campaign and who has the most widespread base of supporters. Both of are major indicators of a candidate's viability.

Well.

Druvius comments on Feb 1, 2020:

It's been on life support since at least the Korean War. The GOP may have just pulled the plug, but both parties got us here. :(

Here Are the Most Common Airbnb Scams Worldwide - VICE

Druvius comments on Feb 1, 2020:

1,000 emails ... out of 7 million Airbnbs, and over 150 million users. Hardly sounds like a huge problem to me. I and my friends have used Airbnb countless times over the years. I'm glad they're making efforts to keep out scammers, but I don't think they're the problem the article makes them out to be. Airbnb is so insanely profitable for people I can't see there would even be much incentive to scam.

Rolls-Royce Plans ‘Mini’ Nuclear Power Plants By 2029 Delivered In Chunks Via Trucks ...

Druvius comments on Feb 1, 2020:

Our last best hope to get our CO2 emissions under control.

So called largest democracy of the planet is turning fascist day after day and the oldest democracy ...

Druvius comments on Jan 31, 2020:

There's been a rise of nationalism (in the ugliest sense of the word) globally this century. This trend is definitely obvious in India. I don't see it as a good thing, not sure what the answer is though.

‪If stupid Trump didn’t take out that Iran leader 65 members of our military would not have ...

Druvius comments on Jan 31, 2020:

No, he just utterly lacks empathy.

What is chance Trump will Cancel 2020 election? It seems he now has the power to do anything.

Druvius comments on Jan 31, 2020:

Well, only if he loses would I envision that as a possibility. Before the election, I can imagine him canceling it if there was some obvious excuse for canceling it and he thought he might lose. In either case I still think it's a damned unlikely scenario at this point. The oligarchs and generals running America NEED elections to maintain the pretense that we're still a democracy. People might actually notice and object to an overt dictatorship.

Nuclear waste could be recycled for diamond battery power [bristol.ac.uk]

Druvius comments on Jan 31, 2020:

Yes, eventually, as in within a few decades, all nuclear waste will be reprocessed. Radioactive nuclides are valuable. Can't say the same for the waste from coal burning, which kills nearly a million people year.

Sharon .

Druvius comments on Jan 30, 2020:

Just no. Non-ionizing radiation can only damage living tissue if it's at microwave oven energy levels. We live our entire lives bathed in it, 5G is only infinitesimally going to increase exposure to non-ionizing radiation. It's just a coincidence.

WHO Declares Global Health Emergency as Wuhan Coronavirus Continues to Spread [gizmodo.com]

Druvius comments on Jan 30, 2020:

This could be the pandemic of our times. Even with a 2% mortality, could still be tens of millions dead.

Nearly half of Americans didn’t go outside to recreate in 2018. [coloradosun.com]

Druvius comments on Jan 30, 2020:

Especially the kids. I was apparently of the last generation where you got home ... and ran outside to play. There were kids everywhere, this was the sixties. Now I rarely see kids playing outside. It's different.

How to answer the zombie climate denial theories: [abc.net.au]

Druvius comments on Jan 27, 2020:

Sadly AGW denial is a social belief, so it's strongly resistant to logic. :(

Does anybody miss the days when people could speak their minds without being accused of being a ...

Druvius comments on Jan 25, 2020:

No, I actually like that in some ways our culture is growing up, and casually putting down whole groups of people for bigoted reasons is frowned upon now.

Airline sorry for forcing passenger to take pregnancy test before flight to Saipan | World News | ...

Druvius comments on Jan 25, 2020:

You're pregnant. Here's your GPS ankle bracelet, we will be monitoring your baby's health from now on to make sure nothing happens to him/her. If anything happens to the baby you will be charged with murder. Have a nice day and God Bless!

China’s battle with the Wuhan coronavirus is shackled by a toxic relationship with information ...

Druvius comments on Jan 25, 2020:

This sort of crap can and does happen anywhere, politics poisons everything. Sooner or later there's going to be another pandemic to rival the 1918 flu pandemic, and no nation is ready for it. Let's hope this one isn't it.

The repeal of these regulations will mainly benefit property developers.

Druvius comments on Jan 23, 2020:

Upward transfer of wealth illustrated, allowing businesses to pass their environmental and health costs onto the public. Socialism for the rich.

So more warming does mean more volcano eruptions! [scientificamerican.com]

Druvius comments on Jan 15, 2020:

Well, yes and no. Yes, in that areas where icecaps melt will likely**** see more volcanic eruptions. No, in that a few more erruptions in Antarctica and Greenland is going to affect very few people. On the gripping hand, well yeah, climate and vulcanism have some overlap in a Venndiagram sense, another reason not to mess with climate. :(

Donald Trump is a pussy grabber, Bernie Sanders is a feminist, and Elizabeth Warren postures to ...

Druvius comments on Jan 15, 2020:

:(

The Proof: That God Exists There is a hierarchy in Animalia, not only as quantified by the DNA ...

Druvius comments on Jan 15, 2020:

The first paragraph is quite simply, demonstrably, wrong. It's projection of the worst sort. So as in Matthew 7:24-27, since the foundation of your argument is garbage, everything built on top of it is garbage. Q.E.D.

This one made me literally laugh out loud. Hope it does the same for you.

Druvius comments on Jan 15, 2020:

I saw something similar once. A traffic engineer friend said it's a fairly common occurrence, those signs are easy to hack apparently. :)

Returning Jesus Christ Downed By U.S. Missile Defense 30,000 Feet Before Making Landfall

Druvius comments on Jan 14, 2020:

Ah, Jesus jokes. Fortunately God has a great sense of humor. ;) https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2008-11-24

So much for those who claimed Judaism was the least mysogynistic religion. [bbc.com]

Druvius comments on Jan 13, 2020:

The Abrahmaaic faiths are all equally prone to misogyny.

Which came first the chicken or the egg?... LMAO

Druvius comments on Jan 13, 2020:

:)

I don't have much knowledge in Astronomy or Physics and would like to ask these questions to ones ...

Druvius comments on Jan 8, 2020:

Well, time started with the Big Bang in our universe. But, that doesn't mean it popped into existence out of nothing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo Last I heard both space and time were infinite, but cosmology is a very speculative science. There's a huge number of codicals, we don't really know.

Well, here we go - Trump has started a war... [bbc.co.uk]

Druvius comments on Jan 7, 2020:

God help us all. Or the secular version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

Here is the inner part of our solar system, from the sun to the 5th planet, Jupiter.

Druvius comments on Jan 6, 2020:

Well, this is all still empty space for all practical purposes. But yes, an enormous amount of stuff is orbiting the Sun. The ancients had no idea. :)

Looking over the evening's news feeds.

Druvius comments on Jan 4, 2020:

And this mess might get a lot worse before it gets better. :(

I joined this group to explore origin theories.

Druvius comments on Jan 3, 2020:

"On one hand we have this vast universe filled with incalculable mater.This matter explodes and creates the stars and the planets." That's not the Big Bang Theory in any way shape or form. That being said, the scientific understanding of the origin of our Universe has tons of obsevational and experimental validation. None of the human creation myths has any observational or experimental validation. Seems pretty definitive to me.

I note that some of my colleagues on this site seem to be concerned with the "godness" , ...

Druvius comments on Jan 2, 2020:

Maybe they are searching for something in themselves? And is there any reason it can't be both?

Alone in a Crowded Milky Way Even a galaxy teeming with star-hopping alien civilizations should ...

Druvius comments on Jan 1, 2020:

Certainly possible. Comes right down to it, there are so many unknowns at this point that there are any number of perfectly plausible scenarios that account for all the crickets. SETI still has tons of promising approaches to explore, so we may have more answers in our lifetimes.

‪Keep in mind the attack on our embassy is one on our land in our country.

Druvius comments on Dec 31, 2019:

Congress hasn't declared war since 1941, so no, we are not in a war in any legal constitutional sense. Moreover, the Constitution doesn't list any exemption periods for impeachment, so a president could certainly be impeached during a war. Lastly, since the chance of the GOP controlled Senate voting to remove Trump from office is asymptotically approaching zero, he doesn't need to do anything to avoid being removed from office.

Guangweicaris spinatus: A redescription of an Early Cambrian Fuxianhuiid Arthropod from the Guanshan...

Druvius comments on Dec 29, 2019:

I was around when the Burgess Shales exploded onto the scene so to speak, this site, the Maotianshan Shales came along right after. We are in the infancy still understanding both and other sites. A Golden Age, what a time to be alive.

Since when does a president have the right to contradict a senior navy board? [bbc.co.uk]

Druvius comments on Dec 28, 2019:

Since he was sworn into office and became the CinC of the US military? Was that a trick question? On the plus side, Trump souring his relationship with the Pentagon is a good thing.

I'd NEVER give someone a pet as a gift.

Druvius comments on Dec 27, 2019:

There's a special place in hell for people who abandon pets.

My political beliefs are as follows: Plato was right about some things, not everyone should have ...

Druvius comments on Dec 27, 2019:

If psychologists ruled the world.

Fox News Is Now a Threat to National Security The network’s furthering of lies from foreign ...

Druvius comments on Dec 26, 2019:

I dunno, the lie density on MSNBC is pretty scary too.

Three members of same family 'drown' at Costa del Sol resort - BBC News

Druvius comments on Dec 24, 2019:

Hard to say, but multiple "rescue attempt" drownings occur. There was one in the UK where four people including a policewoman drowned in an attempt that started with one person jumping off a seawall to save a dog. :(

Do you approve capital punishment?

Druvius comments on Dec 23, 2019:

I'm in favor of the death penalty when the crime is unspeakable and the guilt is unimpeachable. IE the Ted Bundys should be executed just as a matter of public safety. And in a perfect world, those would be the only cases. We don't live in a perfect world, and humans do not appear capable of limiting the DP to such cases. So no, life imprisonment is all I support; then if someone is mistakenly convicted, at least some redress is possible.

Just reminding myself I live on a nice place.

Druvius comments on Dec 22, 2019:

Smiles. Yerp.

Something to debate - are these good and ecological choices?

Druvius comments on Dec 22, 2019:

This looks like a list made up by a privileged white person for other privileged white people. Pretty sure most working class Americans couldn't afford most of these these, and would far more appreciate cash in leiu of most of them. :/

Woman admits to running over teen with her car because she's Hispanic - AOL News

Druvius comments on Dec 22, 2019:

This is a story about a person with mental health and drug abuse issues. Her racism isn't germane to that. Promoting this non-story just perpetuates the myth that this is what racism is all about, and let's the far uglier and more widespread racial and white privilege problems this country has to continue to fly under the radar.

Space Force: Trump officially launches new US military service [bbc.com]

Druvius comments on Dec 21, 2019:

Batshit crazy on multiple levels, our enemies are high fiving each other over this.

US government lists fictional nation Wakanda as trade partner [bbc.com]

Druvius comments on Dec 20, 2019:

Last time I checked Ebay still had Bouvet Island as one of the options to select for "country of manufacture" when selling an item. Bouvet Island is the most remote island on Earth, utterly uninhabited, and the only thing ever "manufactured" there are seabird and penguin eggs. :)

Iowa Man Who Tore Down, Burned Church’s LGBTQ Flag Gets 15 Years In Prison

Druvius comments on Dec 20, 2019:

This demonstrates how dumb hate crime laws are, they are easily and all too often abused. This draconian sentence will just increase anger among the haters. He should have been sentenced to community service at some LGTB functions so he could actually learn something, not made into a martyr for the haters.

Worried About 5G’s Health Effects?

Druvius comments on Dec 20, 2019:

No one has ever even come up with a plausible way that non-ionizing radiation could damage tissue at less than microwave oven energy levels. But from this to vaccines, to glyphosate and others, the science and facts don't matter to the fear peddlers. We're not really an intelligent species.

Virginia sheriff says he’ll deputize residents if gun laws pass What the hell?

Druvius comments on Dec 20, 2019:

What a load of crap, the second amendment already protects people's right to own a gun. So no laws are going to overturn that. More paranoia from an NRA shill/dupe.

He's back! (kinda) The Far Side returns... [theguardian.com]

Druvius comments on Dec 18, 2019:

Will be curious to see, optimistic but not hopeful.

Former NASA engineer thwarts porch pirates again with 'Glitter Bomb 2.

Druvius comments on Dec 18, 2019:

These guys have way too much time on their hands. ;)

N.J. bill to remove religion as reason to avoid vaccinating kids enrages parents at hearing - nj.com

Druvius comments on Dec 16, 2019:

"Your right to practice religion freely does not include...exposing the community or a child to a communicable disease,” Yerp, in a nutshell.

I'd like to make a suggestion as I watch more folks jump ship over moral differences with the site ...

Druvius comments on Dec 15, 2019:

OK, I never saw that before. Click groups, scroll down, eventually there will be some nude thumbnails. Um, it's a dating site, so what? Don't go to the groups tab and scroll down, I mean, I never noticed them before this post helpfully pointed them, and I've been here awhile. Don't go there or avert your gaze.

The Next Nuclear Plants Will Be Small, Svelte, and Safer A new generation of reactors will start ...

Druvius comments on Dec 15, 2019:

Nuclear is hands down the greenest and safest power. And it's the only thing that can directly replace coal power, which is a health and environmental catastrophe of epic proportions.

Another article by Chris hedges from 18 months ago predicting the coming collapse of America.

Druvius comments on Dec 14, 2019:

This too: https://eand.co/this-is-how-a-society-dies-35bdc3c0b854

Mathematician Proves Huge Result on ‘Dangerous’ Problem [quantamagazine.org]

Druvius comments on Dec 14, 2019:

Fascinating, thanks for posting.

It is impossible to believe a person (a man named 'Jesus,' for instance) did what is described in ...

Druvius comments on Dec 13, 2019:

It was thousands of years ago, we have maybe a few percent of the literature of the day preserved. So yes, entirely possible that what was written about him didn't survive. Especially since the early church may well have destroyed anything that didn't fit their canonical view.

I figured that I would share my favorite questions that melt brains and/or just end conversation ...

Druvius comments on Dec 12, 2019:

People tend to respond badly to rhetorical questions, nu?

Another article by Chris hedges from 18 months ago predicting the coming collapse of America.

Druvius comments on Dec 11, 2019:

He's not wrong. Trump is a symptom, not a cause. If anything he's made it worse by lowering the bar, so the DNC doesn't even need to bother addressing the issues destroying the country.

It is not about the laws in the land.

Druvius comments on Dec 8, 2019:

There's lots that can be done without banning all guns, which would require amending the Constitution.

[alternet.

Druvius comments on Dec 8, 2019:

Great example of what a biased unreliable source Alternet is now. Russia is not our enemy, and poses a trivial threat to our global hegemony. The DNC has chosen to run on the new McCarthyism though rather than address actual issues, so here we are bombarded with nonsense about the big bad Russian bogeyman. That military families aren't falling for it should tell people something, this is good news.

Christian prophet: The Illuminati is emitting frequencies that change people’s DNA so they’ll ...

Druvius comments on Dec 6, 2019:

People believe the nonsense spewed by Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh too. PT Barnum was right.

Is graham Hancock a nut job?

Druvius comments on Dec 5, 2019:

Pseudoscience. My theory on people like him is that if they actually believe the nonsense they are promoting, impaired judgment at best. If not, just the run of the mill charlatan.

Drone images show Greenland ice sheet becoming more unstable as it fractures [phys.org]

Druvius comments on Dec 3, 2019:

If Greenland's ice sheet slumps into the ocean sea levels would only go up 20 feet. We lose Florida, probably a net plus for the nation. ;)

What's the worst job anyone can ever have

Druvius comments on Dec 3, 2019:

I was once paid to crawl through a crawlspace with a few inches of rotten meat and water in it, complete with active beehive, to fix some plumbing. I don't want to imagine anything worse, thank you. :)

Canadian Family Kept Dead Father’s Corpse in Bedroom for Six Months in Hopes God Would Resurrect ...

Druvius comments on Dec 2, 2019:

Yeah, this is mental illness. Every Pastor I've ever known would find this appalling.

Almost half of all Americans work in low-wage jobs

Druvius comments on Dec 2, 2019:

Merika!

The blind loyalty of Trump's evangelical base seems oddly familiar.

Druvius comments on Dec 2, 2019:

Most Trump comparisons to Hitler are garbage, but in this respect, yes, there's definitely parallels.

Black hole that theoretically should not exist. But does. [youtu.be]

Druvius comments on Dec 1, 2019:

I really wish the media would stop click-bait promoting this as "something that shouldn't exist." It just gives ammunition to creationists and other science deniers. It's unusually large, but likely was the result of two black holes merging. Interesting, but it's nothing that calls into question our understanding of black holes.

Roman Mosaic beneath a field in Turkey - [archaeology-world.com]

Druvius comments on Nov 27, 2019:

Roman mosaics are fascinating. A lot of great examples here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_mosaic A fascinating glimpse into the Roman world and mind. A highly skilled set of craftsman was required to make them. More info here. https://www.ancient.eu/article/498/roman-mosaics/ I thing they merit a blog post or two, thanks for the inspiration. :)

Right-wing host complains Mister Rogers modeled ‘metrosexual wimpiness’ and should’ve been ...

Druvius comments on Nov 27, 2019:

Talk about someone insecure about their gender and sexuality, sheesh.

My wonderful and sweet dad drove me to work because my car battery died.

Druvius comments on Nov 27, 2019:

http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm My favorite: Drawing from theology and astrology, German prophet Johann Jacob Zimmerman determined that the world would end in the fall of 1694. Zimmerman gathered a group of pilgrims and made plans to go to America to welcome Jesus back to Earth. However, he died in February of that year, on the very day of departure. Johannes Kelpius took over leadership of the cult, which was known as Woman in the Wilderness, and they completed their journey to the New World. Fall came and went and, needless to say, the cultists were profoundly disappointed at having traveled all the way across the Atlantic just to be stood up by Jesus. (Cohen p.19-20)

Do you suppose dogs think in yips, barks, and growls?

Druvius comments on Nov 26, 2019:

Dogs can understand the meaning of hundreds of words, a trait that many animals share. What they can't do, and no animal has yet demonstrated, is the ability to combine words into meaningful grammatical sentences. IE they can't tell the difference between 'dog bites man' and 'man bites dog.' So no, they aren't really thinking in languages.

I wonder, how many other vets are as disturbed as I to hear the Rhetoric of the FSB coming out of ...

Druvius comments on Nov 26, 2019:

I'm disturbed that the Dems have decided to go with McCarthyism to fight the GOP, instead of concentrating on what working Americans need and how Trump is giving the rich, the Pentagon, and corporate America everything they want at the expense of the American people.

Up until now I had now realize just how extensive Russian political interference was in the 2018 ...

Druvius comments on Nov 25, 2019:

And you actually believe this? This is just as ridiculous as the first McCarthy era.

Is it Safe to Eat Roadkill? | Live Science

Druvius comments on Nov 24, 2019:

Like mushroom hunting, if you know what you are doing, dig in. Even people who are vegetarians for ethical reasons shouldn't have a problem with this.

Agnostic?

Druvius comments on Nov 24, 2019:

I'm ignostic so I have no dog in this race. :)

What Will Be Your Worst Fear When Trump Is Re-elected?

Druvius comments on Nov 23, 2019:

That the Dem loser will claim an even more ridiculous reason for losing than Clinton did?

[alternet.

Druvius comments on Nov 22, 2019:

Don't you have to be on the rails in the first place to go off them?

This made me sad today.

Druvius comments on Nov 22, 2019:

RIP Gahan you'll be mourned and missed.

The GOP have a decision to make: allegiance to Putin or to America.

Druvius comments on Nov 22, 2019:

Right, relations with Russia and sanctions on them are worse than ever, and we are arming Ukraine to the teeth. How is Russia benefiting from this?

Why intelligent people still believe in silly ideas - [bigthink.com]

Druvius comments on Nov 20, 2019:

And that coupled with social beliefs gets people really entrenched in their thinking. Everyone has bias, but lots of people firmly believe stuff that's demonstrably false. I just try to watch out for that tendency in myself.

Trump makes an unscheduled hospital visit.

Druvius comments on Nov 20, 2019:

Hmm, maybe. The presidential equivalent of declaring bankruptcy. I think it's unlikely, I think his "success" has gone to his head, but anything is possible. If it turned out Trump is just gerbils in a human suit I wouldn't be shocked at this point, we are long through the looking glass.