With just days away from the election, now is your last chance to make a case for why you support your candidate. Is your vote more about opposing the candidates and party of the other side? How do you think the future will be different depending on who wins?
The future ? U worry about the future huh ?
That’s a nice luxury indeed .
U have skipped the presence . Convenience?
If the body has a rotten leg , sepsis takes over . Blood pressure drops , fever rises , heart rate hits the fan , confusion arrives . The list of my concerns does not include to remind the team to put him down for a prostate exam next month , or a colonoscopy . Not my problem right now .
Rotten leg needs to go .
We live w a rotten leg for 4 yrs . “ we “ does not include people who make more than 300k a year .
If all u care is money , maybe T is your man .
If u have no problem him having sex w 13 yr olds , T is yoir man .
If u don’t have a problem w kids in cages , building walls , and supporting racism , T is your man .
If u don’t care for women rights , T is your man .
If access to free education and health care is not your problem , T is your man .
I don’t have the luxury to sit around and worry about the future . I am looking for an ortho guy to cut the leg off.
I ll take who ever is on call , I sure hope he knows how to use a saw . I ll worry about the rest later .
I can't vote in the US because I'm from Ireland. Never got one of those fraudulent Ballots that Trump said was out there in other countries. lol.
Anyway...the rest of the world is watching. If the orange monster gets in again I fear America will be completely lost in the world. Nobody in Europe will have any respect for the US anymore. That's what Everyone is saying on this side of the pond. At least with Biden you guys will stop taking Children away from their parents and putting them in cages. You can join back with the rest of the civilized world
As progressive as I am, and as someone who is a strong supporter of keeping religion out of government, schools, etc., there's no way I could vote for Trump. I don't see how any atheist or agnostic could vote for him, especially after who he nominated and got sworn in to the supreme court. Voting for Trump is like shooting yourself in the leg or something. I'm not saying I 100% like Biden, but Trump has to go!
Voting against a lying tyrant is valid too.
It's part of my civic duty to support my nation by opposing criminal political administrations.
Unlike similar statements from Conservatives during the Obama administration we have the testimonies of participants, many who have served time for their participation. We had enough evidence to impeach, Trump WAS impeached. The only reason he's still in office is because a famously stubborn lying manipulating clan of Republican Senators that should be imprisoned themselves for their part in letting things get this far allowed it. The Republican party has become the "Dead mans Party" still refusing mask and social distancing they spread disease everywhere they go. A quarter million dead because of intentional misinformation from this administration.
Let me ask, were Hitlers political opponents just there just to oppose their current leadership or did they have valid "reasons" to run for office?
I don't care for your insinuation.
EDIT: There's no response button for the question you asked:
"Could you elaborate a bit why you think Hitler is a good analog for Trump?"
So I'll put it here.
First I made no analog between Trump and Hitler as people, I made analog to the desperation for a need to change regimes. But there are similarities, like the similarities of using the arson at the Reichstag in 1933 to accuse Jews and Communist for political power, then 2020 BLM protest having Trump supporting militia vandalizing cities, to accuse BLM for Trump to sound legitimate while demanding more political power to fix the chaos that he created.
The BLM guy that shot into a police station and yelled "Black Lives Matters" is in custody, he's a boogaloo boi.
Sounds pretty fascist to me.
The missing response button makes me wonder if you wanted me to NOT answer your question.
I'm being censored, I can't respond to any post on this thread.
I think it was our Admin, he is Conservative like that.
Figured it out, someone removed me from the group. I certainly didn't do it.
Trump is a very sick puppy, at the least. I do not wish to go on and write for the next hour about how his disease has twisted him.
However, without going into the psychology of Malignant Narcissism, from which he clearly suffers, he is interested in nothing but his own self-aggrandizement, does not care about the country's future, as is evident from how he has already severely compromised exactly those institutions that once made America great. He claims to be prepared to do more damage, to raise havoc over a pillar of Democracy, the vote, if he does not like the result. He is not even a fascist, he is a "ME UBBER ALLES!" person.
To not vote is to feed his sickness.
Any party who tries to keep its citizens from voting by making it more difficult, and by using dirty tricks that dictators from other countries use to keep their citizens from voting are not for any form of democracy. They don't deserve to get my vote. Make your pitch and convince the people why they should vote for your party. Earn their vote, but don't pull every dirty trick to keep people from voting.
Lets see?? One guy called my dead classmates, who died in Viet Nam and my father, dead from PTSD from B 24 bombing runs over Germany, my grandfather and 2 great great Grandfathers and some uncles "LOSERS AND SUCKERS". The same guy makes fun of women, is a racist, calls Mexicans criminals and rapists, when he is an adulterer, a sexual predator, likely a rapist, is eviscerating environmental protections thereby increasing the degradation of the environment and climate change, now responsible for over 230,000 deaths. He is a shill for the wealthy making him a socialist for the wealthy class. I could go on. Is there any rationalization or moral reason for not voting for Biden against Trump?
Huge difference on social media vs. in person.
In social media, I had no success.
Of the three major social media sites I frequent, FB, agnostic.com, and slug.com.... agnostic is heavy left and thus most all voting for Biden, slug is heavy right and thus most all voting for the current administration... and my FB leans mostly left but I have quite a few right friends.
So using my FB as the most likely to change, I found that it was impossible to shift people away from the current administration and into Biden. Talks of policy were constantly muddled not by evidence or research, but talking points and quips. Biden wants to end all fracking; no he does. Biden wants socialism; no he doesn't. Biden is just a stand-in for Harris; no he isn't. This was compounded by a general inability to have a conversation without logical fallacies, namely ad hominem ("you must be an idiot to support that" ), strawman ("Biden wants to destroy the oil industry" ), and others. But this is generally par for the course on social media so it's no entirely surprising.
In my personal life however I had more success.
My parents voted for the current administration in 2016. They are very devout Roman Catholics and live those principle. Many times I had to rebuff them when they supported Trump's more unchristian views. A good example was when Trump was congratulating the man that punched the Hillary supporter at one of his 2016 rallies. My father was making excuses for Trump's support of said action and I had to pull the WWJD card, reminding him that Jesus would NEVER condone such violence. Same thing with the "grab them by the pussy" comment. Regardless of the veracity of that comment, I had to remind him that the Bible doesn't condone talking about people that way.
The real nail on the coffin though was COVID. My father is a retired nephrologist and I'm in radiation oncology. As such, we both have a strong commitment to science and medicine and a healthy respect for expert advice. The way that the current administration handled COVID was the final straw. He could not abide by the downplaying and inaction of the current administration. So when I reminded him that Biden would handle things more like him and I would handle things, listening to experts, following the science, he flipped and will now vote Biden.
A similar story played out at work.
My profession is very conservative. I think it's because we earn a lot of money and thus want to protect it with a strong stock market and low taxes. But all that took second place when the favoring of the economy over the science by the current administration put our patients at risk, our work at risk, and we started seeing more and more patients and loved ones dying because they didn't take COVID seriously enough, listened to the administration that it wasn't as deadly, wasn't as contagious as all that. That was the final straw for my colleagues and now most, if not all, my colleagues who voted for the current administration in 2016 will vote for Biden.
So what role did I have in these flips?
Hard to tell because I feel that the current administration did it to themselves, they didn't need ME telling my father and colleagues how they didn't allgn with our moral or scientific principles. But I feel maybe I could have been a catalyst. Maybe by showing that it was "ok" to be a son supporting Biden or a co-worker supporting Biden they were more prone to engage in conversation, air out their concerns, and find a sympathetic, calm, rational, educated sounding board in me that allowed them to think things through and come to the same conclusion I did.
Betsy DeVos advocates for larger classes and she controls the budget for public schools she wants more money to go into charter schools like Christian and Catholic schools even though they are private schools they should not get government help and he can't even say that they won't discriminate the kids. She doesn't go to underperforming schools either and also DACA is on the line there's a lot of dreamers that will have to go back to another country that they know nothing about also anyone born in the United States cannot be natural born citizens because Trump is trying to take away a natural born citizen rights he says it's unconstitutional he left a lot of children and citizens from the stimulus check only because they had a parent that was undocumented so he discriminated against those families he also called most undocumented people criminals not to mention he's trying to bring back prayers back to school and religion to our children's public schools which makes no sense to me at all. religion should stay out of our children's lives unless you want too at your household.
I believe in fair treatment of all people of all races, healthcare for all, good clean water and food for all, with protection of our Democracy that I feel is now on the line. The right talks about the "radical left" but all I have seen for the last 4 years comes out of an extreme radical right. Guns everywhere including super markets, court houses, etc is not normal. The stock market does not control the economy and our current regime is of the extremist form. In fact, Mr. Trump is not sure if he will agree to a peaceful exchange of power should he lose. I have to ask if this is normal. When did it become normal and why have I not seen it before in my 74 years of life? Many of us want to take back our country and take back our Democracy. What is going on in America today has happened in other parts of the world before. Let's not let it happen here. We need to vote for ourselves and the American way of life and also vote with our children and grandchildren in mind. Donald Trump has no conscience or empathy. If you vote for him neither do you.
I always vote for Democratic candidates. I am not going to try to convine anyone to vote either way. I am convinced that all populations or countries get the governments that they deserve. If Biden wins, I will understand that this country deserves the chance to repair its democracy. If Trump wins I will understand that this country no longer knows how to select a president and that the end of this empire (like the end of any empire) is increasing its pace.
Let's see, on one hand we have a traitor that sides with Putin over his own intelligence services, sides with corrupt dictators i stead of our allies, a narcissist egomaniac who is corrupt, profits from his properties while being president something that has never been seen in any of the other presidents before him, an inept leader that is the laughing stock of other former allies, a bullshit artist and con man that has never cared for anyone but himself, a nepotism champion, a liar and a tax cheat, an inept health policy leader who said virus was a hoax from democrats and did jack shit to prevent the expansion of the pandemic resulting in America being the number 1 in cases and deaths when countries like Australia, Taiwan, New Zealand, etcetera are now enjoying zero contagions due to adept leadership and competent public health administration, and on top of that a racist, a xenophobe and a homophobe science denier; yet some people see his message as "aspirational"? Are we in bizarro world? Never has a choice for President have been clearer, Biden is the one tgat got my vote. I hope Trump, his family and all his enablers go to jail for corruption and treason once voters expectorate this sorry excuse for a leader, mych less an empathetic human being called Donald Trump.
I’m voting to bring back decency to my Government. I’m sick of trump and his lies and grifting off my Government. I know many only think about money and judges, and to me that is not being a good American. Those who excuse trump and what he has done to destroy our Government should be ashamed of themselves!
One of my top reasons:
One of the two candidates is attempting to carry out a takeover of my government in broad daylight by culminating his years of attacks on the voting system with an honest-to-goodness not-even-bothering-to-hide-it attempt to sabotage the US mail system at a time when people need to vote by mail to help save their own lives and the lives of their families. His sabotage of that system is geared toward undermining the vote. So, just right there, that's a clear strong incentive to vote for the other person if that other party is not also equally evil (and it would be pretty hard to match that level of venality that involves such a broad-daylight effort to take over the US Government.)
At the same time, if a person can carry out such an attack on our country and its laws, and if dozens of millions of people can still seriously consider voting for such a disgusting disloyal anti-patriotic attacker of the Constitution, then I think that's a sign we as a Democracy or Democratic Republic of reasonably thoughtful people are already on life-support (if not finished). So, joining with millions of others trying to save our Constitution, our votes may win the day in the next few weeks, and we may succeed in some clear transfer of power in Q1 even though it's already clear that the person in Power does not have enough respect for the law for that to be a given, but as to our long-term prognosis, I am somewhat less confident.
According to the Center for Public Integrity R and their allies have have spent 20 million to wage over 300 court battles to strike down election rules or lawsuits that encourage making voting easier.
Only once since 1988 has an R won the popular vote for president. But the majority are still ruled by them.
Including the majority of D who are ruled by a R majority in the senate.
We've had the damned minority ruling the majority for decades!
I held my nose and voted for Biden, when who I really wanted was Bernie. That was over three weeks ago when I dropped off my absentee ballot. Today I saw the results of the final Iowa poll showing that Trump now had a lead of several points in my state, so my vote for Biden is not likely to make any difference in that race. Knowing now that Trump is going to win Iowa anyway, I wish I could have my ballot back and vote Green instead for prez.