As mail-in ballots appear to heavily favor Biden and the Democrats (estimates are as high as 3:1), Trump's lead in the swing states could be reversed as seen already in Michigan and Wisconsin. Similarly, it appears quite possible that the Senate will also change hands. Should we call it early here? Is either side going to "steal" the election?
No matter who wins, not much will change, except that Biden will not spend all this time on the golf course and there will be no tweeting from him if he wins. Otherwise business as usual. The US will still invade countries, try to change democratically elected presidents and still have all those army bases around the world.
Exactly WHAT sort of a Farcical Electoral System do you Yanks have?
Jeez Louise, you an election SOLELY to elect the President BUT who ever gets to President, IF, his party does NOT hold the reins in the Senate, then he is as much use as limp dick at an orgy.
Your Congresspersons and Senators are, it seems, elected on a willy-nilly basis, i.e. no ACTUAL decisive terms in Office or set dates fort Elections, etc.
Shit, our system over here in Australia may NOT be prefect BUT at least we know that at EVERY Federal Election which ever Party wins the Election, the Leader of that Party WILL be leading the Government as our Prime Minister.
AND, we don't need to hold an election separately just to elect him/her either.
Bloody Norah, I've driven over dirt, bush tracks that have far, far less convolutions ( corrugations as we call them) than your loosely called Democratic system has.
Humpty Whumpty tRumpy screams, " I don't like the results,si I'm going to the Supreme Court to fight them so I can win," WTF, where is the Will of the People in that?
Democratic Elections in a Democracy ARE decided UPON the Will of the People NOT by Law Suits in Law Courts.
What sort of a totally screwed up system do you people actually live under then?
It's too soon to call anything.
Speculation doesn't help.
None of the election results have been certified anywhere.
The Electoral College isn't scheduled to convene until mid-December. Most of the delegates to the EC haven't been chosen by their respective states yet.
Any legal challenges cannot be made in most places until 36 days out. Despite what any candidate's campaign may have to say about it.
There is absolutely no point in trying to guess what is going to happen.
There is more than enough anxiety surrounding the entire process.
None of us know what will happen.
First of all, calling a state for one candidate or another is merely predicting the outcome. Second until all the votes have been counted there is no unofficial election result. Third until there is an official canvas (recounting an audit of the results, there is not an official election result. After those three steps by Dec 10, the states will certify their election results. All the election day "results" do is give us a picture of what will be the results and allow for planning.
I’m following FoxNews. They called Michigan for Biden, giving him 264 electoral votes. If he wins Nevada, that’s 270. Game over. Except for the WI recount and the inevitable, unknown number of lawsuits Trump is lodging/will lodge. It was his SOP as a businessman, as it is as president.
One thing I can predict with great accuracy. Trump and friends want to call it right now and are very desperate. How does that work? Donald Trump does not have the required 270 electoral votes to win. It means you cannot call it. One candidate or the other has to get the required 270 electorals. That's how this thing works.
At this point (Nov 4th at 4pm EST) it looks like it could be a tie. If that happens... I have no idea what would happen next.
It's a shame and a disgrace that the outcome isn't decided by the popular vote. I'd really like my vote in a presidential election to count for once in my life but I live in a red state so it counts for nothing.
Edit: Okay, things have shifted through the day... also I suck at math. If Biden gets Nevada he will win. There's a slim chance he could get Georgia or North Carollina but I won't hold my breath. I don't think anything is certain but I think the odds have turned in Biden's favor now.
the trumpers are starting to lose their minds. already demonstrating outside maricopa county election board wanting to be let in to oversee the ballot tally. they are so f-ing stupid . they could watch it live on local TV as it is being recorded live. can't wait to see all the trumpers demonstrate acroos the country all to no avail. it aint 2000 where it was the popular vote that got f^cked. this time at at least 270 electoral votes not even the supreme court would overturn the election.
THIS ELECTION SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CLOSE
First of all this election should have never been this close. Progressive political pundits have been telling us that Biden would win a landslide. Biden started putting a transition team together, his cabinet together but Trump has given Biden run for his money. The voters proved us wrong in 2016 and they did it again in 2020.
Biden now is struggling when we and all progressive media were projecting Biden landslide with he getting over 338 votes nationwide day in and day out.... And what happened? Lol
BIDEN HAD AN EASY JOB TO WIN AGAINST AN UNPOPULAR PRESIDENT IN A PANDEMIC.
Biden will reach 270 but barely after contesting against:
Our hero in the shining armor Biden still cannot capitalize on voter's anger, outrage against Trump. It tells us how inspiring and motivational leaders we pick. And we are ready to nominate hunchback, old, frail, in-Washington-forever but have-nothing-to-show, heart attack patient, two times failed and rejected candidate Bernie Sanders for president. Just imagine what a beautiful gift it would have been to Trump and ourselves.
HELLO... HAVE WE LEARNED LESSONS YET?
I hope we Democrats have learned this:
DUMP ALL OLD, FRAIL, WORN OUT ASSHOLES IN WASHINGTON AT ONCE
Democrats must dump all old, worn out, ineffective, uninspiring lousy leaders everywhere... and stop romanticizing them at once. This includes, Biden, Bernie Sanders, Pelosi, Schumer, Feinstein, Bill Pascrell, Grace Napolitano, Alcee Hastings, Eddie Bernice Johnson... Throw all of them out and get new and young fresh faces in immediately.
If absentee ballots are counted legitimately the vote count is valid. It was known we wouldn't have a final tally for at least several days. Trump had planned on declaring victory election night and then challenging the mail in vote. I don't blame him for asking for a recount. Bush v Gore was different. It was a close election in 1 state that was a recount of a recount. This is counting legitimate paper ballots that are slower. If the SCOTUS steps in here and votes 6-3 to invalidate absentee ballots received before election day, Trump will win. Otherwise Biden or Trump will win based on the vote count. I think Trump thinks SCOTUS will step in and make him stay in as president. If this gets too ugly and there's 2 runoff Senate races, there could be a backlash against GOP candidates. This is not a pretty sight. Trump could've been statesmanlike and he still might have prevailed. Now if he does win, it will look like he stole it. He should care about out democratic principles. He is our president.
I don't trust the results in MN. Do ppl realize the extent of damage the city sustained? WHO was okay with that? WHO approved? To then turn around and vote FOR the party that did that is completely lacking reason. It's just as bad of judgement as when Mayor Frey decided to let them burn the police precinct down. Or just as effective as MN city council plans to disband police (did nothing) But I mean why not? They have already successfully systematically stole millions from programs meant for poor families, why not just approve of the complete destruction of all bizs and then eliminate the police so noone knows who did it! Then elect a Pres. who won't challenge it, he'll let it stand okay as is. Sounds like a well-crafted plan for future success of the society. (sarcasm)
Nah, Biden wins and the Republicans keep the Senate. The Democrats actually are losing a few seats in the House too. Trump needed FL, GA, NC, OH, PA, and MI to win. Biden won Michigan and Trump is most likely winning all the rest after all the counting. Biden might eek out PA because of mail in ballots. There is 13% still to be counted for PA. If everything stands as it is and MI was the only state Trump loses for the deciding factor then it will be a recount and Trump will fight it tooth and nail. MI will be chaos for weeks probably. If any of those other states that Trump is winning go to Biden by a small margin then those states will be in chaos for the next few weeks too. This might be tied up until December. That is probably a good thing for Democrats because it MIGHT keep Trump from going on a mad dash to try and get much done until he's out of the White House.