After four years of anger and outrage towards Trump and his supporters, Democrats appear likely to win both the Presidency and the Senate (or maybe) while retaining control of the House. While an upcoming topic will focus on what should be the priorities of the next administration (after one on covid spikes), this topic is more about how Biden/Harris supports feel about finally getting to drive the car.
We all have seen countless posts and comments here professing that Trump is a dictator, fascist, and even a reincarnation of Hitler. Many have a hard time thinking of even one thing that Trump did that could be considered good. Do you think that these feelings will drive how aggressively Democrats will enact policy changes?
Is it "Payback Time"?
Biden is a very forgiving person. I think he's going to work hard to heal as many of the wounds this
nation has sustained, as possible.
I also think the impulse to "get even" will be stronger with some than others. On both sides.
The democrats still control the House, and so far, the republicans still have the Senate. For now, anyway.
We'll see how Georgia's two runoff elections work out in January.
As it stands, McConnell is still Senate Majority leader and he will continue to steer legislation, and other things he has control of, as he sees fit. He's a perfect example of "partisan hack", if there ever was one. Shame on the people of Kentucky.
I think the impeachment of the last two appointed SCOTUS picks should be an order of business.
Neither is qualified, and never should have been appointed to ANY judgeship, let alone the highest court in the country. I will not, however, hold my breath waiting for that to happen. At least not while the republicans hold power in the Senate.
Undoing a lot of the damage 45 caused is going to take up A LOT of time.
I think your comment is based on a false premise. There hasn't been "anger and outrage towards Trump and his supporters" but the policies and direction they were taking the country. Given that they have every right to push it in a different direction. It's not "payback" but a "correction" and correcting something that has gone terribly wrong is not "payback".
Not Locking Children in Cages, Not taking Health care form those that most need it. Not name calling people who serve in the military. Not degrading women with your comments. Not telling lies every hour of every day. Not sending tear gas down upon peaceful demonstrators.
Theses are the things we should not do. And if not doing them is Payback.....then we need LOTS of payback
America needs to know that Character matters, and what you say matters, and how you talk to people matters, and Black Lives Matter Too.
The Dems do not do scorched earth "payback", that is a Repub trait. If anything, I fully expect that Biden will pardon Trump on any federal charges, if they are even brought against him, after he leaves office. The reason is because, despite all the rhetoric of the Dems against Trump, they are all part of the same corrupt club, so they will give Trump a pass on any crimes he commited before leaving office. As far as the state charges against Trump in NY, I also expect that Biden and the establishment Dem leaders will call Cuomo and ask a favor of him to drop any state charges against Trump. These cocksuckers all take care of each other once the election is over and the media have moved on. The vast majority of the voters are too dumb and distracted to notice. Of course, Biden, Cuomo, and other Dems will excuse and justify this corruption by parroting Obama's excuse and saying " We have to move forward, etc." or some similar bullshit.
I believe it will be a grave mistake, to call for ‘payback!’ There is too much work to be done on things this Country is lacking! ‘Payback,’ should be...improve education, get a workable plan in place for this pandemic...people are dying as I write! Police reform is a must, before more black people bare the brunt of lost lives! Getting our agencies back up to efficiency is a must and getting our foreign policies in order again is very important! Now tell me where is the time for ‘payback’ on what a lunatic and his cronies have done for 4 years?
I don't think Biden will be that way. I think some payback will happen in the senate if the democrats regain control. Merrick Garland was denied the courtesy of a confirmation process by Mitch McConnel who took the position that It was an election year. That hypocricy justifies some payback.
I think that some of the Democratic party will express that. I don't think Joe Biden is one of them. I think Trump can disprove those fascist claims by being statesmanlike during this transition. He can also reinforce those claims by constant litigation, attempts to have state legislatures appoint Trump electors, refusing to participate in the transition or not attend the inauguration. @Admin Which direction do you think Trump will take? I hope the former. I fear the latter.
As for policy change, I think stating that they will aggressively promote their policy because of anger against Trump is giving Trump too much power. As well, the notion of dismantling the previous presidents contributions has consistently been Trump's stump. As such, it's not surprising that Trump supporters would see the same possibility in their opposition. After all, we easily see in other that which we see in ourselves. But while there will be some dismantling of policy (namely Executive Orders) that Democrats don't like from Trump, I feel their policy will be pushing a Pro-Democrat platform, not a Anti-Trump platform... even when sometimes those two will coincide.
(PS: Admin, in reference to your remodeling ideas, it would be great to implement a feature where we can post the same answer to the same question posted to two sites. I'm always facinated (as I think you are as well) to gauge the different responses in tone and substance, from two ideologically distinct social media sites)
Biden is consistently sending out a signal of working together, of working for both those that voted for him and those against. In the short term, there will be a justifiable catharsis from Biden supporters. But in the long term, if the democratic leadership promotes and demonstrates a desire to work to the future and towards unity and with those that voted for them and against, I feel that that rancor and vitriol will be short lived.
It will never be forgiven for some but it will be soon forgotten by all.
I'm sorry you think that Biden's win is about payback to Republicans or Conservatives. Yeah, us progressives heard your leader call us "scumbags" and so on. We watched your white supremacists march through the streets heavily armed. We watched as peaceful UNARMED BLM protesters were tear gassed and beaten. There is work to be done and changes to be made but this is not about "pay back". It's about our - OUR democracy. It's about getting our country back to sanity and unity. Unity isn't about agreeing with everything somebody tells you to agree with. It's about accepting and respecting those who do not agree with one's personal views. It has nothing to do with pay back. Most of us want to live peacefully with those who have different opinions or beliefs and have the same rights. We don't want any more hate and essentially that is where "pay back" sprouts from.
I doubt that Democrats will get the Senate and Mitch McConnell will still be there to block everything that Democrats try to do. As much a republicans try to paint Biden as an extreme leftist, the actual fact is that Biden is very much a centrist and has a long career of working with the other side to get things done and I think he will take a much more cautious and conciliatory approach. Nancy Pelosi, on the other hand, is going to go for payback. How much she and the leftists in the democratic party will succeed in that remains to be seen.
I don't think it will influence the Democratic Party's way of doing things. They are just as fraught with the same corruption as in the GOP.
I'm hoping the independent movement will become more collective and get stronger. In a best case scenario, they do away with Citizen's United and enforce the idea of citizen legislators, doing away with the "political career".
If Donnie and fam did some time in the slammer, that would be OK with me, but I would be just as happy if they stepped into oblivion, hopefully impoverished.
Of coarse the temptation is there by some. I would probably be in that camp, my disdain for trump and his minions is that great. But, IMO Biden is aware of that proclivity in persons in his party.
I think he will fight against that and be a more moderating voice. His focus is reuniting the left and the right through moderation and compromise. Neither side will ultimately be happy as their agenda will not get met.
But in the long run it will be better for the country in the short run. If allowed by the extremes on both sides, he will bring us back into the realm of reasonableness. Then once we have righted the ship, and shifted our national ballast, we can renew the battle for what is right going into the future for the country and the world.