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What dangerous, wrong or false things do Conservatives believe?

In this video, the comedian joked that conservatives believe that:

  • violence is something fun
  • dangerous people should get guns
  • all news is corrupt
  • everything is a conspiracy
  • all the votes for Biden were fake
  • Trump is above God
  • we need free speech so can hurt people's feelings
  • lockdowns should be stopped to get more deaths
  • Qanon is believable
  • global warming should be encouraged
  • no one should ever be allowed to immigrate anywhere

While this is, of course, tongue and cheek, what dangerous, wrong or false beliefs do many Conservatives (yes, including "alt-right" types) have that you oppose?

How confident are you that you know how Conservatives think?

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The American conservatives are much different to those in the Uk.

I think the best place to look for clues about a party are through their manifestos and policies, as engaging as comedy might be 😉

Some of the UK Conservative manifesto:

[conservatives.com]

Plus fleshing out policies and comparisons with other parties:

[bbc.co.uk]

Of course at present there is no points system or penalties for not meeting manifesto goals, but they can give a broad idea of what is likely to be done.

Just because it is in the manifest does not mean it will happen.
The Tory party is rife with cronyism. £millions were wasted at the start of the pandemic in buying useless PPE from friends of MPs'
Brexit has been a disaster so far;
Shellfish and meat rotting at ports due to delays;
Exports to Europe down by 68%
Student exchange scheme scrapped;
Musicians unable to perform in Europe due to extra costs'
But hey we have a new trade deal with Australia and Singapore. That's going to help our carbon footprint.

@Moravian well there’s a loaded post.

  1. No, this is true.
  2. Needing support to get anywhere in politics seems to lend itself towards cronyism, as mutual interests are established.
  3. The response to the pandemic seemed to go against any pandemic response I can imagine. But I don’t know the details of the PPE debacle; it doesn’t surprise me, the little hammer used to test for rust during MOTs has a similar history I’ve been told.
  4. I didn’t vote for Brexit and think it’s idiotic a vote was taken on such a vague question with no meat around the implications and actions resulting from each outcome. But it’s done now and a lot of ‘older’ people seem very happy about it, as well as a few young ones that believe them.
  5. Food waste should probably be criminal - especially when we are asking at nearly every supermarket for donations of free food for the poor in England. That’s horrible to hear, the obvious response would be it should be divvied out to charities.
  6. That is unfortunately an expected outcome of leaving the Union, but exasperated by Covid, no doubt. Some businesses were already expecting to have to change or close 🙁
  7. Travel for many sectors has been changed, a girl working in the local co op was ex cruise liner staff.
  8. I’m just glad it’s not the original TIPP which guaranteed companies payouts if their products got banned, which is farcical as they should be experts in their own products. Now it’s less hidden the potential Trans Atlantic deal has had to be a bit more publicly accountable.

[economicshelp.org]

But I do still worry about consumer rights and labelling.
But yes, you’re right, Europe is much more accessible with less carbon footprint.

@girlwithsmiles

[thenational.scot]

I am am an admirer of de Bernieres as a writer and particularly liked "Birds without wings" but to say that there is antipathy towards English people in Scotland is absolute nonsense. Unfortunately this has now been spread widely on social media and it is being picked up by unionists here and British/English nationalists in England.
There always has been a few idiots on either side of the border but I have many English friends both here and in England from my time working in London,Hampshire and Bristol and none of them have had any experience of this.
I think he should stick to writing fictional stories.

@Moravian I know a few Brits that would like to live in Scotland if we are able to if you become independent.
After Brexit I must admit I considered Southern Ireland, but family ties temper my impulses these days.

@girlwithsmiles There are quite a few moving up from the south now that working from home is becoming more popular. I live in a small village in the Cairngorms national park and English accents are very common here.
The two things I miss about England are the warmer weather and village pubs but the crowded roads and restriction of access on private land you can keep.

@Moravian I worked a Summer in Tyndrum, just up from Glasgow and loved being able to just walk to any mountain in sight without farmers and landowners causing a fuss 😊

Thanks for posting this, interesting. There is to be sure some commonality with the older definitions of US conservatives, and as well with some newer definitions, but you're right, it's not the same.

Major point of differences that comes through immediately are

  • strong support for the UK national health system
  • claims of support for clean energy and net zero carbon emissions.

Major commonalities are

  • the focus on no-new-taxes
  • stronger control of immigration

A grey area maybe would be US conservatives would likely claim to support workers strongly (for example, President Trump's appeal in part was staking out a claim of supporting workers by claiming to bring factories back to the US), but I don't know how true that is. I don't think US Conservatives generally could claim to support Unions very strongly. With Biden, by contrast, he has manifested explicit support for Unions. I'm not sure how the UK conservatives would align with some of this.

Possibly another difference (perhaps the most important one, if it is true) is that many US Conservatives actively cultivate some of the major hard-core Christian element in the US. I don't know if this is the case in the UK.

It's not the same thing as cultivation of the Christian vote, but is somewhat intertwined, that US conservatives stake out a claim of being supportive of Israel and (another somewhat separate thing) of being allegedly strong in opposition to Islamic Terrorism. In my view, there is a lot to debate as to whether US Conservatives are seriously (and lethally) irrational in some of their views in this area, but in any case, these seem to be long-held staked-out areas for them.

Here again I don't know how the UK "Conservatives" could be summarized.

side-note: I once received same-day high-quality to-the-point immediate medical care for a situation I had when traveling in the UK. I was really grateful for it. I would have paid a bill, if there had been one, but there wasn't. It doesn't cause a change in my personal views on healthcare finance and insurance and administration, which are a bit complicated but not particularly opposed to the way they do things in the UK, but, apart from political discussion, it still seems worth briefly testifying that I had that good experience as a visitor to your country.

There certainly is no loss of points or penalties for failing to deliver on the party manifesto, simply no accountability. Imagnine the same lack of accountability were allowed in every other sphere of employment. I do not know of any company that does not have an annual appraisal/assessment of its employees.

Perhaps the lack of end of term assessment and penalties make politics attractive to many people as a career, safe in the knowlege that if they fail to deliver on their manifesto or fuck up they do not lose their job and minor indiscretions are overlooked.

@kmaz yes you’re right, the UK concentrate on saying they support businesses rather than workers.
Conservatives are often religious, as they tend to be traditionalists, but it’s rarely used to make themselves look better. All parties do tend to talk about the family and support for families.

@ASTRALMAX it’s a point I’ve been arguing for years. Over here if an unemployed person misses an appointment they stand to lose their, (subsistence level), benefits. While the government can totally fail on deliverables and rarely face issues from it. Bizarre isn’t it?

@girlwithsmiles Family, NHS etc etc are all words that are used emotively by politicians. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. How have those who staff the NHS been rewarded for their services over the years, especially, now in the pandemic. Well, the answer is simply the same as usual, empty rhetoric.

@girlwithsmiles

On the worker/union question, I think if UK conservatives claim to support business, this would be a strong commonality with US conservatives. (I think the key word here is claim.... I personally think the conservatives alleged support for US business is often misguided at best). I was going on about the worker thing because of something mentioned on that link about the UK conservatives and it got me down a different path..... thinking about Trump's (claimed) points about bringing manufacturing back and leveling our trade situation. Also, in recent days we have heard Biden make some effort toward Unions in the US.

On questions of who courts or does not court which theists, and from which angles, subtle or not-so-subtle, I was just taking a first look at some of the demographic data from the 2020 Presidential Election in the US and this came up:

[en.wikipedia.org]

Religion Biden Trump % of Total Vote
Protestant/Other Christian 39 60 43
Catholic 52 47 25
Jewish 76 22 2
Other religion 69 29 8
None 65 31 22

and:

White evangelical or born-again Christian
24 76 28

(it doesn't provide a way to separate out the ethnicity point as to evangelicals).

There's probably a decent amount of food for thought here, but my point in relation to your thread-starter is just that work has been done for many years and decades by US Conservatives to court those Christian and evangelical votes. Some of this has been I think a conscious effort to zoom in on one or two or three points where voters may be one-issue voters or nearly so (abortion, Israel and the Middle East). Some of it is that the brains of some of the voters clearly are somewhat pliant and mushy on certain points. Maybe some of the politicians looking for soft minds lick their chops a bit? Everyone has their intellectual strong and weak points though.

Part of my theory here is if you join a mushy belief system or way of thinking or community like evangelical/born-again, then maybe you resonate well to what you perceive as moral discussion, and some politicians may decide to see if they can appeal to that. Some secularist or quieter theist politicians may not talk about the moral side of things as much,.. and this failure to raise those issues may not resonate well with those evangelical/born-again voters.

@girlwithsmiles Consersatives may tend to be religious, however, they do not confuse profits with prophets, except where the latter may offer an opportunity to increase the former.

@girlwithsmiles Famous for the Green Wellie stop and a goldmine without much gold.

@Moravian that’s the one 😂

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I disagree with the premise of the post. The people you are referring to are not conservatives. Nothing they believe in equates to either classical or philosophical conservatism. I'm very progressive. I've never been a conservative. But even I recognise that such a political philosophy exists. Indeed I studied it at university. These people, like the Trump people, and the Republicans with him, are reactionaries -- radical fascist and oligarchy inclined radical anti- democratic groups, who share nothing with conservatism.

David1955 Level 8 Feb 9, 2021

Very well said!

Would it have been a clearer question if I replaced "Conservative" with someone who didn't vote Democrat? I'm still looking for a true Scot 😉

@Admin Why limit it to the United States of Absurdity? Ping @David1955

reactionaries ---- as though this hasn't been a profile of democrats and too many progressives. Which in correlation to conservatives, there's no true sense of democracy within democrats. Those who continue to support them do so via reactionary terms of tribal politics.

@anglophone well we're essentially the only nation under a false 2 party rule. Where a number of westernized nations have a few to several parties. Europe for example, if you're following even lightly, you'll see their populations are more aware of ruling class structured rule and protest against austerity measures almost constantly. Where we in the US are basically the most absurd politically. The propaganda machine has a vast majority of our population well conditioned into compliance.

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This really misses the point that there are two kinds of conservative, one can almost think of them as Sharks and pilot fish.

  1. Rich conservatives who are conservatives because they are determined to stay rich, not matter what the cost,
  2. and poor conservatives who have bought in to the myth that because rich conservatives are rich, they are rich BECAUSE they are conservatives and the way to become rich is to become conservative.

The rich c's find the poor c's invaluable because they are stupid and will believe anything they are told by the Rich c, because the poor C invariably believes having money makes you, better wiser, and chosen by god to rule over them.

Poor Cs are necessarily self deluded and stupid, to the point that they will actually vote against their own best interests.
Rich Cs are morally bankrupt and place a monetary value on everything including each other and human life and live accordingly. To them their existence is a balance sheet, and net worth judged only on personal profit and loss, regardless of the consequence.

For example where as a non conservative person, rich or poor would take the trolley thought experiment and find it hard to judge the worth of one life against four, the Rich conservative would ignore both sets of potential victims and instead want to know if everyone ON the tram had paid their fare.
In the same experiment the poor conservative would only consider if the net worth of people on the track (probably decided by how neatly they were dressed) before deciding who lives and who dies.

I think there is a lot of truth in your comment. The non-rich conservatives make up a huge percentage of Americans, who vote against their own self interest and will probably never change, since the corporate media are still very powerful in convincing them of the myth that they will be rich some day. There are also non-rich conservatives who vote against their own economic interests solely out of fundy religion, esp. abortion opponents. The non-rich conservatives who are very religious don't care about money or getting rich. They vote conservative thinking they can buy themselves a seat in heaven by following their religion strictly and that's enough reward for them. If we got rid of the corporate media propaganda and fundy religion in America, our politics would greatly improve just by those two things, even if the same people and corporations still owned both major parties, because our people would be ready to revolt against the system and vote third party.

The rich cons have convinced the poor cons that it's fine to screw yourself as long as some minority or lib getas screwed to.I call them suicide belt voters.

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Conservatives, just like liberals and everyone else, come in a wide range of views. I have friends and family that are conservative. I don't hate them nor do I believe they think this way. This video is rather moronic even if it's meant to be funny.

The poll question really doesn't make sense to me. I'm not confident about how anyone thinks. I can only make a determination based on a person's words and actions.

One could easily flip this and say that conservatives think that all liberals want healthcare that is magically zero cost to anyone and that liberals want to ban cars and eliminate all the police and take away everyones guns and make every drug legal and other equally ridiculous things. It's easy to grossly exaggerate the views of people and lump everyone into one group.

Well said. Trying to determine what others think and feel without spending time with them personally is a lost cause. Our biases are showing!

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The most dangerous thing they believe is "in god" and that men are superior to women.

Leelu Level 7 Feb 9, 2021

and white men are superior to all others.

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hear Beevis & Butthead giggling He said "think" and "conservative" in the same sentence!!! more giggling

AnneWimsey Level 9 Apr 27, 2021
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I voted 100% because i was a southern baptist conservative. I'm trying to unfuck myself but it's a hard battle so yes i know how they think because it was deeply embedded into me.

abyers1970 Level 7 Feb 10, 2021

I do wish you luck, stay the course.

@BirdMan1 I'm committed to it. It gets harder and harder everyday to listen to the absolute bullshit that i heard everyday of my life

@abyers1970 I laud you for re-examining your views. Those who critically think can do that. I have changed my view of things as science, investigations, etc. increase our knowledge. It is the unreasonable person that can not do that. Can not reason. Stay true to your search.

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Oneof my brothers os a gun-toting hard right-leaning Libertarian...I don't even need to ask, he "informs" me regularly about his beliefs

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As I mentioned, I’m not at all confident I understand how conservatives think, but I do detect some patterns in what they think. And I can’t say it’s “wrong” because I tend to see conservative mentality and liberal mentality as some kind of naturally equilibrated pair, in that they are found in all cultures and places. So, “wrong”?, maybe not. But deserving of my balancing opposition?, richly!

They are the component that overly? mistrusts democratic ( small “d” ) governance, and overly? trusts the unrestricted right of individuals to accumulate power.

Is that dangerous? Maybe not as long as the balancing constraints are equally strong. But either side has the capacity for extremism if left unchecked.

A sailing vessel moves forward only by virtue of the opposition between the keel and the sail. Without the ballast keel the sail would turn the boat over. Without the sail, the boat would make no progress.

skado Level 9 Feb 10, 2021
7

Who cares? Ya got knuckleheads and pebblebrains on both sides of the aisle.

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All of the bulleted items above are correct, but there is one belief that ties them together: LIBERAL IS BAD.

When you read or overhear the discourse among conservatives you learn that Liberals, Democrats, peacenicks are all stupid and want to destroy America. Conservatives hate anything that is associated with Liberals or Democrats, but mostly they hate the individuals.

BitFlipper Level 8 Feb 12, 2021

Well we just need to see" hate "as the enemy of us all.

Yet the same people who claim to be 'patriots' are ones who will fight to death for their ability to own weapons to protect themselves from their own governments overreach. They stand firmly behind giving the police total power , but not the outcome of 'unfavorable' elections .

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They think??? I've seen very little evidence of this.

LizZyG Level 5 Feb 9, 2021

I should be what's considered a conservative:
I don't drink, smoke, shag about, gamble, do illicit drugs, drive fast, live beyond my income, etc. I conserve water & power, I wormfarm & recycle, I use PV solar & tankwater, and, I designed an eco-efficient house. I'm an ethical vego.

I support affordable medical care, housing & education, and equitable treatment of the disabled, chronically or acutely ill or injured, and the disadvantaged ... oops, perhaps that's not very conservative of me, after all. 🤔🙄🤷♀️

@LizZyG I was wondering where you were going with that description! "Conscientious" definitely is not the same as "Conservative", though the conservatives I admire are exactly that.
What is the opposite of Conscientious? Reckless? That is one quality I see on the extremes of both poles.

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I find that implicit suggestion that most Conservatives are capable of thinking to be absurd.

5

Conservatives think? Pull the other one.

You wrote exactly what I was thinking!

Unlike say yourself who made a remark so broad that it cannot be correct.

@Alienbeing Prove me wrong then.

@RonWilliam53 How am I supposed ro do that? Parade all known Conservatives in front of you?

I consider myself Conservative, and I'd be glad to debate anything you care to bring up. We'll see who thinks.

@RonWilliam53 Tucker Carlson. Do I need to go on?

Conservatives have changed and not for the positive.

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Imo, you seem to forgotten ONE extra question, i.e, Do they actually have the Mental Capacity to THINK.

Triphid Level 9 Feb 10, 2021

Another obvious question is what mental prowess do your have to infer you thank better than all conservatives.

@Alienbeing Given the demonstrated mental incapacity of all conservatives, it is trivially easy to make the inference that everybody else think better than the said conservatives.

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Not so fast. The comedian is just non sense. They never said anything remotely like that.

We are are putting words in their mouths. That is not fair. I believe this is what they think:

  • violence is not right but this is a war like in 1776, we must fight
  • dangerous people should not get guns but it is the second amendment right to have one, responsible owners don't kill, people with mental issues kill, take their guns away
  • all news is corrupt and biased and controlled by the left wing liberals and Jews
  • everything against them is a conspiracy
  • A large number of mail-in-votes for Biden were fake
  • Trump is a God send, he is delivering on our issues better than anyone before him
  • we need free speech, everybody needs it
  • lockdowns should be stopped to return to normalcy, we must develop herd immunity
  • Qanon is believable
  • global warming is overblown and is being used to hurt by alternative energy lobbyists to hurt coal and oil industry jobs
  • we should not allow illegal immigrants and deport criminal immigrants immediately

They truly believe in all the things they believe in. We call them stupid and they call us stupid.

St-Sinner Level 9 Feb 10, 2021

I'd agree with you sir, that I believe to some extent in some of your above list. But I also believe that nothing is an absolute. And that we're viewing these, and other beliefs or ideas in a "moment in time". I'm a long time Conservative. But that doesn't mean I automatically reject other's views.

@bigpawbullets

Just one sided view and thinking is a sure way to radicalism. I don't know about Conservative platforms but we have Far Left Radicals in our ranks here. Socialists and communists who want to give free money and things to all (created by others) but would never live in any communist or socialist country themselves. They think the wealth created by others is their property.

Free speech is THE fundamental Human Right. Everything stems from that. Everything else is bullshit if it denies..

@JacarC

Free speech alright by a speech to incite riots and violence is not protected and not important.

@JacarC Define free speech.

@JacarC so, tell us about the last time you yelled "fire" in a crowded building?

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My opinion, for what it is worth, is that conservatives are motivated by greed and anxiety. They are anxious about anything that may change the status quo, in which they are the top dogs. Change of any sort, itself, is frightening to them. A spin-off of this is their greed, as the see having money as the bulwark against which change will beat itself to death. And, they can't have enough, they are like Rocko, the Edward G. Robinson character, who simply wanted "More!"

BirdMan1 Level 8 Feb 10, 2021

This is pretty accurate. I think conservative feel they are entitled to success and wealth and that they do not feel other races/cultures deserve it. They are motivated alot by greed and keeping what belongs to them and that other people are coming in to take away what rightfully belongs to them. They feel that everyone should live by the christian faith and look down at those who are not christian. Christianity is sort of a country club which they feel separates them from the riff-raff. I'm not speaking of this by opinion only. I was a conservative Southern Baptist for almost 50 years and have seen the light and trying to change so i know what i'm talking about.

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We ALL need to be more mindful of the information we absorb to feed our beliefs. Clearly the conservatives are more out of control than the rest, but I still see plenty of confirmation bias on the left of this spectrum as well.

KevinMR Level 7 Feb 10, 2021

Cognitive flexibility is something that is sorely lacking from all conservatives.

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Hahahahaaha! They think? Hahahahaha!

Sticks48 Level 9 Feb 10, 2021
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Who says conservatives even think at all.

t1nick Level 8 Feb 9, 2021
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Under the assumption that conservatives think: they want to return the United States to a time prior to the Civil War and they're willing to have another Civil War to accomplish this.

Or, they don't think.

Gohan Level 7 Feb 9, 2021
5

Gathering liberal fodder for your next attack article? Ever consider using facts?

[businessinsider.com]

Interesting read. Thanks for the link.

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Given that I am not a mind reader, it's generally impossible to say for certain how anyone thinks.

However, with folks I personally know who self-identify as conservatives, in many cases I can guess the positions they will take on some issues. We often end up opposed on said issues.
It's unfortunate that many who are conservatives automatically assume that anyone who doesn't agree with them simply MUST be a liberal democrat.
I'm neither, yet I am constantly labeled as such.

Personally, I have found that conservatism is generally pretty regressive. That opinion is based on many decades of observation.

KKGator Level 9 Feb 9, 2021

@PBuck0145 That's because you are. Classical liberalism was defined two centuries ago and bears no resemblance to contemporary liberalism so stop trying to benefit from the title.

I empathize. Holding classical liberal views, I am regarded as "far-right" by most leftists.

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For Conservatives any change is too fast. For Progressives, too slow. That democracy is ponderous may be a positive. There are 2 issues where I oppose the "lefts" support & I am aligned with the "right". I am disturbed by that fact, examining my position often. I have voted once for the loyal opposition, but find that it is the left that is on the side of the common citizen & the conservatives lean towards the business owner. Where the balance lies is our dilemma. I am confident that all extremists do not think. They react. Thusly reactionary, be it left or right.

Mooolah Level 8 Feb 10, 2021

Even cats are smart enough to get “out” of the box.
I get along better when I don’t assume stuff without some pervasive indicators to assume a measure of plausibility.
I never related to a political party, the most important things in order to me is:
**

  1. Competence
  2. Policy
  3. Humanitarianism
    **
    And they’re almost of equal importance. People that are so spiritually that they’re no earthly good do not need to be creating legislation.
    I find them interesting for aesthetic reasons.

Good point.

@Willow_Wisp This is why islam, and the cpp, are so dangerous to freedom.

"Only power is of use."

@JacarC So how do large groups share power? Relinquish it. Win it back. Peaceful transfer thereof. Lest we fall over the precipice into anarchy. Think of any answers other than fascism lately?

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Most of the people I know are identify as Conservative. None of them think exactly alike and some are considerably different..

Alienbeing Level 8 Feb 10, 2021
4

It's impossible to be comfortable with how conservatives think when they always get everything wrong. The very word, "conservative" gives some insight into their problem. Conservative means to be obstinate, unyielding, and unchanging. They want to hold on to the old ways even if the old ways are corrupt and broken beyond repair.

It would take thinking as misguided as a conservatism to even consider electing scum like Trump to say nothing of holding him up for worship or to have been chosen by some fucked-up divine providence. That goes for other conservative scum like McConnell, Jorden, Graham, Gohmert, King, Nunes, Miller, the list just goes on and on and on and on and...

They hate liberals because we want change. Everything needs to change and they'd rather burn down democracy then allow for anything to be changed. Their thinking is too stilted and dull to allow them to hold any power. Look what they did with it these last four years alone.

They fuck up everything.

Sgt_Spanky Level 8 Feb 10, 2021

The term "Conservative" started as the description pf those who wanted to "Conserve" thing as the currently stood.

The changing connotations of the word basically reflect how individuals view one another.

@Thirst2learn Except that it is broke -- something conservatives are too dim to understand. Just more proof they're too out of touch to be in charge.

@Thirst2learn Thank you for proving my point for me.

@Thirst2learn Once again, thank you. You've been very helpful. 🙂

@Sgt_Spanky @Thirst2learn is a perfect example of a person who spouts off however in fact has little or no knowlwdge of the topic in question. He speaks for no one except himself.

"What is broke" is your opinion. I'm sure you are correct in some cases, and incorrect in others.

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