This question is sincere as I'm trying to find out myself. I'm a fairly active reader of news but have only seen outrage in mainstream news outlets about the DC protests and not specific claims of what Trump did or how the protests were more violent or dangerous than the months of BLM protests last year. The attached video by JP Sears seems to suggest that Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Apple, and Google have teamed up with Liberals to censor dissent and promote that Trump is dangerous via propaganda. In the video, he shows two tweets of Trump, shown below, that he says is what the fuss is all about - is that right?
Bonus question: How are the alleged calls of violence by Trump different or worse than those in this video below?
Did he directly call for violence against the capitol?
Has he directly called for violence against other people in other circumstances?
Yes. Many times.
Has he made it so his supporters feel justified resorting to violence?
Absolutely. All the time
A sampling over the years of direct quotes from him; no media perspective or editorializing.
"Go home. We love you" (said to people that had just assaulted the capitol)
"Trial by Combat" (NOT TRUMP BUT GUILIANI but spoken prior to the capitol assault at an official trump rally)
"Stand back and stand by" (said to people with a history of violent rhetoric)
" Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts."
"“LIBERATE MICHIGAN”" (prior to the foiled kidnapping attempt on Michigan's governor)
"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came" (a comment made about members of congress)
“That’s only in the Panhandle, you can get away with that statement.”" (his response to a rally member yelling "SHOOT THEM" when he asked "How do you stop these people?", a response that drew laughter and approval from the rest of the audience.)
"“Any guy who can do a body-slam ... he’s my guy.” (in reference to a congressman who had body slammed a reporter in 2017)
"“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, ‘Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!’”"
" I said, please don’t be too nice. Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over, like, don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody. Don’t hit their head. I said, you can take the hand away, okay?"
"The FAKE NEWS media is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American People!" (Jared Ramos, a prolific online trump supporter, kills 5 people at The Capitol Gazeete a year and a half later)
"“Get ‘em out of here!”" (instructions to the crowd prior to them assaulting three people at his rally)
"“We’ve had a couple that were really violent. And the particular one when I said, [I’d] like to bang him. That was — a very vicious — you know, he is a guy who was swinging very loud and then started swinging at the audience. And you know what? The audience swung back. And I thought it was very, very appropriate. He was swinging, he was hitting people and the audience hit back. And that’s what we need a little bit more of. Now, I’m not talking about just a protester. This was a guy who was — should not have been allowed to do what he did. And frankly, if you want to know the truth, the police were very, very restrained. The police have been amazing. But the police were very, very restrained.”" (after a trump supporter punched a trump detractor was was not being violent in any way)
"“Get out of here! Get ’em out of here! Get him the hell out!”"
"You see, in the good old days, law enforcement acted a lot quicker than this. A lot quicker. In the good old days, they’d rip him out of that seat so fast — but today, everybody’s politically correct,”"
"“They said to me, ‘What do you think of waterboarding?’ I said I think it’s great, but we don’t go far enough. It’s true. We don’t go far enough. We don’t go far enough.”"
"“bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding”,"
"“There’s a guy, totally disruptive, throwing punches. We’re not allowed to punch back anymore. I love the old days. You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks.”" (again, despite wide media coverage and massive cell phone use, no punches are seen to be thrown by trump detractors at trump rallys)
"“I’d like to punch him in the face.”
" “If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Just knock the hell out of them. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees. I promise. There won’t be so much of them because the courts agree with us,”"
"“I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”"
" “Maybe he should have been roughed up, because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing. I have a lot of fans, and they were not happy about it. And this was a very obnoxious guy who was a troublemaker who was looking to make trouble.”" (after a man was beaten for yealling "black lives matter" )
"“See, the first group, I was nice. ‘Oh, take your time.’ The second group, I was pretty nice. The third group, I’ll be a little more violent. And the fourth group, I’ll say get the hell out of here!”"
"“That will never happen with me. I don’t know if I’ll do the fighting myself or if other people will. But that was a disgrace. … I felt badly for him, but it showed that he’s weak.”" (after protestors took the mike away from Bernie Sanders)
HE SAYS HE DOESN'T CONDONE VIOLENCE ON THE ONE HAND TRUE.
BUT HE ALSO CONDONES VIOLENCE ON THE OTHER.
WHICH MESSAGE IS BEING PICKED UP BY HIS SUPPORTERS?
SOME PICK UP ON THE FORMER AND AS WE SAW ON JAN 6, SOME PICK UP ON THE LATTER
In all seriousness, I find it rather baffling how anyone could listen to 45's rhetoric, whether in live speeches or online, and not come away the distinct impression that he has been inciting violence, from the start.
Even before the 2016 election, he was encouraging violence. I've heard him do it with my own ears.
He's only gotten worse since then.
"What did Trump do, if anything, to incite violence?"
He called on his people to march to the capital and take their country back and don't be weak. Weakness will not get your country back. He spent an hour riling up the crowd and send them to do his bidding. He also on several occasions stated to his Proud Boys to, "Stand back and stand by..." a call for action when he calls. There are others but I'm not going to list them all.
"I'm a fairly active reader of news but have only seen outrage in mainstream news outlets about the DC protests and not specific claims of what Trump did or how the protests were more violent or dangerous than the months of BLM protests last year. "
This is so disingenuous I can't believe you'd let this fly. It is literally on every news channel in America. Specifically, they quoted him 100 times a day. PBS and NPR have had many people discussing the specifics.
As for how they differ from BLM protests... first, this is irrelevant to the insurrection as BLM people were not ordered to go to the capital (the seat of our democracy) and instructed to take back their government. In the BLM protests no police died only protesters and by-standers. In the BLM protests there were Trumpers who admitted they infiltrated it to cause violence in order to harm the BLM movement. No such thing the other way around. (Childish finger pointing of "but they did..." is childish.)
"The attached video by JP Sears seems to suggest that Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Apple, and Google have teamed up with Liberals to censor dissent and promote that Trump is dangerous via propaganda."
Until the insurrection the Big Techs went out of their way to be fair to GOP & Trumpers BUT afterwards they cut them off due to websites not following the rules of monitoring violence posted. Break the rules, break the contract. Tough cookies.
I specifically did not watch the vid, he's an ass and not to be taken seriously.
***I want to add that I think your bias is showing in this post, which I find very disappointing. I understand you are trying to keep people active here and some people think drama aids that but I expect more of an Admin than baiting.
I think it's kind of disingenuous to focus on what was said only and not the entire picture. Could what was said by the president on January 6th be said without the intent to incite violence? Sure it could. But, listen to the emotion in his voice and from the crowd; look at what transpired directly afterwards; look at the actions of the president while it was happening and afterwards. When all of this is taken together, it's hard to argue there wasn't intent.
Odd, the VOTES say yes, Trump did call for violence, and has been inciting his drones for the last 4 years. But, the commenters for the most part seem to BE those very same Faux Noise Drones. And such a pitiful showing of the whine crowd. He rallied his troops of basement dwellers and Mamma's boys and told them he would lead the march on the capitol. Of course he stayed behind in his "Command Tent" to watch the action and cheer. Trump can't even pull off a Jim Jones Cult because he's a born coward. He is a despicable slug on the side walk. Someone should just step on him and smear him along the curb as they wipe him from their shoe. Now Trumps raider are going to prison, where they belong.
Context. Context is everything. Open a dictionary. You will find different meanings for the same word depending on the...Context. Pelosi's context is (1) that she doesn't have violent groups with allegiance to her or hanging on her every word. And (2) she doesn't have a history of calling for violence to be enacted in her presence. With Trump, it is the opposite. So when Pelosi and Trump both say the word "fight," it has quite different meanings for each and for those who listen to them. That's why there are different entries in the dictionary for the word "fight." Admin, you're smart enough to have figured that out. So how about you reflect critically on the right-wing sophistry that you find on the Web?
I believe it’s disingenuous not to acknowledge the continuous drip of a prophesy of election fraud which Mr. Trump had for months been feeding to his supporters, as part of a deliberate strategy by him to cast uncertainty and doubt on any result in which he was not the victor. First lay the groundwork and sow the seeds, and keep cultivating that idea in the minds by reinforcing the message regularly. These are classic tactics of all demagogues, despots, and fascist regimes....straight out of the Goebbels playbook I’d say. By the time the election results came in, their indoctrination ran so deep that they were already convinced that the election had been stolen from them. The fact that no evidence can be found to support such an assertion will not shift the view they hold that Mr Trump was cheated. Add to that his rhetoric, telling them, the people, to come to Washington and then to march on down to the Capitol, to take back the power which was being stolen from them.
It doesn’t take a mastermind to make a correlation between all these points and to arrive at the conclusion that without actually saying it in so many words ...Mr Trump was expecting they would storm in and prevent the lawful business at hand ...namely the confirmation of Mr Biden as the legally elected President of the United States. This is as clear an incitement to undermine and interfere with the due and legal process of the US government as there could be in my opinion. The likelihood of violence was always present because many of the insurgents were armed and ready to do what was necessary to do their leader’s bidding, and Mr Trump was banking on it. That you can be sure of, regardless of what he may now say to the contrary.
Charles Manson never killed anyone. He just sent his followers out to do his dirty work. Basically, that is what Trump did. Called a rally, fired them up, sent them to the capital. Pretty straight line incitement. No confusion here. But then I truly do hate the son of a bitch!
Trump did not incite violence. He did something MUCH worse!
When it was VERY clear The Capitol was being attacked, he refused to deploy the National Guard to protect the government and its elected official. He refused SIX TIMES!
Correction: trump refused 1 time. The other times were before the attack and were decisions by security officials and people at the pentagon.
We can't say its negligence, because he clearly want Congress to invalidate a our completely valid and true election process. So TRUMP AND HIS COLLABORATORS COOPERATED AND HELPED WITH A TERRORIST ATTACK ON OUR GOVERNMENT.
Those terrorists should have been exterminated with extreme prejudice. The fact that they weren't is a national shame and the blame lies starting with Trump, and anyone else who aided and abetted.
Just because one is dumb enough to attempt a poorly executed coercion or overthrow of the government using violence does not excuse one from the repercussions. If one entered the capitol building as part of the attack then one is guilty of sedition. If someone of the governnment helped foment the attack unexpectedly but then refused to do one's duty to protect the government because it result in a power gain, then tgat one is also guilty of sedition.
Jail the perpetrators for LIFE!
You are obviously a Trumper. The man's a big fat liar. Worse president we have ever had. Why would anyone, except a supporter, defend him? If I had just joined agnostic.com I would seriously consider leaving. But I've met too many wonderful people on-line to do that after 2.5 years. Please put a little more thought into your posts from now on. I really don't want to see you lose members.
As twitter deleted the post I can not comment at this time however as he has a history of posts that incite people to violence and glorify violence it would be in character for him to react this way. That he would say something like take back the capitol knowing full well that while rational people would take that to mean use your voting, political power to enact change the morons that follow him go "Imma gonna get ma gun and shoot up shit"
Read!! Read about authoritarian dictators throughout history. Trump is following "textbook" strategies for taking control of a country. This ISN'T just about storming the Capital. This IS about the bigger picture of the past 5 years which includes his year of campaigning.
We should not be shocked it came to this. If you look at this dictator want-a-be, being backed by the GOP AND rich corporations, media, and social media, you will see a pattern and strategy emerge, much like Hitler and Mussolini.
We need to stop focusing on the tree, because it's the forrest that will be the downfall. Trump may or may not go into oblivion after January 20, but the energies behind him are still working at getting America ruled by one party, one philosophy, one-way...and it's a religious, conservative, elitist way.
To put it in to plainest words. Trump publicly asked, pleaded for protesters to come to Washington DC on Jan 6 for a rally "to stop the steal". A steal which it has been shown in courtroom after courtroom, NEVER took place. At the rally, his sons, his personal attorney and himself incited that crowd with words calling for action using battle metaphors. Then told them to go down the mall to the Capitol Building to show their protest. And that is what the crowd did in spadefuls, I watched it live on the internet myself. He threw a match in to a container full of gasoline and it exploded. And you ask, what did he do?
I have never been so angry and pissed off at the @Admin as I am for asking this question. You should be shouting from the rooftops your complete disapproval of what Trump did on Jan 6. He tried to over throw the democratic process of the USA. The riots of the last summer were not trying to over throw the government of the USA. They were frustrated outbursts of anger towards a racist police enforcement. Some did have violence and the damage rioters did to their communities can not be justified. But they did not try to over throw the government of the United States. If you can not see or understand what I have just written, then I can not respond to you without engaging in very vile language, and I am choosing not to do that.
The first video is a guy who thinks he's a comic. Try using a real source like those in the green box at the top of the photo or using www.mediabiasfactcheck.com to see where your sources are on the spectrum. AND STOP BELIEVING ANY WORD OUT OF TRUMP'S MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, Admin, you show yourself to be on the wrong side time and time again. Go to my post from Seth Abramson and read it ALL THE WAY THROUGH then answer your own question. Facts and truth are important.
I keep seeing @Admin use the excuse of yes, but BLM. All that does is cloud the issue. The issue is on and before Jan 6, 2021 did Donald Trump incite violence against those that disagreed with him. Do you remember 2016, "rough them up, I'll pay for the lawyer", when the looting starts, the shooting starts, and the list is way too long to try to begin to list hjere. The issue you asked about was DJT,, NOT BLM. If this is to be a valid exhange, don't change the rules in the middle. One topic at a time please. If you have a problem with BLM post on that, don't begin by asking about DJT then answer many questions with but BLM.
Dear @Admin. I know you are a smart man, as you have made many millions of dollars on the internet with various dating web sites (and of course you claim to be giving most of it away to ... well I do not know what, but that is what you have said). I can not believe someone who has accumulated such wealth, has to ask "what did Trump do?". You know damn well what he did and by asking a question such as this, you are applying for membership in the "lets make excuses for Trump and enable him to destroy more of the social fabric of america". What the fuck is wrong with you?
It is hard for me to realistically believe that Trump (and some of his supporters) are not purveyors of division at the least, violence at the worst.
How are we (anyone) to believe him (given all the misinformation/lies), if/when he says he wants peace ?