This question is sincere as I'm trying to find out myself. I'm a fairly active reader of news but have only seen outrage in mainstream news outlets about the DC protests and not specific claims of what Trump did or how the protests were more violent or dangerous than the months of BLM protests last year. The attached video by JP Sears seems to suggest that Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Apple, and Google have teamed up with Liberals to censor dissent and promote that Trump is dangerous via propaganda. In the video, he shows two tweets of Trump, shown below, that he says is what the fuss is all about - is that right?
Bonus question: How are the alleged calls of violence by Trump different or worse than those in this video below?
In all seriousness, I find it rather baffling how anyone could listen to 45's rhetoric, whether in live speeches or online, and not come away the distinct impression that he has been inciting violence, from the start.
Even before the 2016 election, he was encouraging violence. I've heard him do it with my own ears.
He's only gotten worse since then.
"What did Trump do, if anything, to incite violence?"
He called on his people to march to the capital and take their country back and don't be weak. Weakness will not get your country back. He spent an hour riling up the crowd and send them to do his bidding. He also on several occasions stated to his Proud Boys to, "Stand back and stand by..." a call for action when he calls. There are others but I'm not going to list them all.
"I'm a fairly active reader of news but have only seen outrage in mainstream news outlets about the DC protests and not specific claims of what Trump did or how the protests were more violent or dangerous than the months of BLM protests last year. "
This is so disingenuous I can't believe you'd let this fly. It is literally on every news channel in America. Specifically, they quoted him 100 times a day. PBS and NPR have had many people discussing the specifics.
As for how they differ from BLM protests... first, this is irrelevant to the insurrection as BLM people were not ordered to go to the capital (the seat of our democracy) and instructed to take back their government. In the BLM protests no police died only protesters and by-standers. In the BLM protests there were Trumpers who admitted they infiltrated it to cause violence in order to harm the BLM movement. No such thing the other way around. (Childish finger pointing of "but they did..." is childish.)
"The attached video by JP Sears seems to suggest that Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Apple, and Google have teamed up with Liberals to censor dissent and promote that Trump is dangerous via propaganda."
Until the insurrection the Big Techs went out of their way to be fair to GOP & Trumpers BUT afterwards they cut them off due to websites not following the rules of monitoring violence posted. Break the rules, break the contract. Tough cookies.
I specifically did not watch the vid, he's an ass and not to be taken seriously.
***I want to add that I think your bias is showing in this post, which I find very disappointing. I understand you are trying to keep people active here and some people think drama aids that but I expect more of an Admin than baiting.
Odd, the VOTES say yes, Trump did call for violence, and has been inciting his drones for the last 4 years. But, the commenters for the most part seem to BE those very same Faux Noise Drones. And such a pitiful showing of the whine crowd. He rallied his troops of basement dwellers and Mamma's boys and told them he would lead the march on the capitol. Of course he stayed behind in his "Command Tent" to watch the action and cheer. Trump can't even pull off a Jim Jones Cult because he's a born coward. He is a despicable slug on the side walk. Someone should just step on him and smear him along the curb as they wipe him from their shoe. Now Trumps raider are going to prison, where they belong.
I think it's kind of disingenuous to focus on what was said only and not the entire picture. Could what was said by the president on January 6th be said without the intent to incite violence? Sure it could. But, listen to the emotion in his voice and from the crowd; look at what transpired directly afterwards; look at the actions of the president while it was happening and afterwards. When all of this is taken together, it's hard to argue there wasn't intent.
I believe it’s disingenuous not to acknowledge the continuous drip of a prophesy of election fraud which Mr. Trump had for months been feeding to his supporters, as part of a deliberate strategy by him to cast uncertainty and doubt on any result in which he was not the victor. First lay the groundwork and sow the seeds, and keep cultivating that idea in the minds by reinforcing the message regularly. These are classic tactics of all demagogues, despots, and fascist regimes....straight out of the Goebbels playbook I’d say. By the time the election results came in, their indoctrination ran so deep that they were already convinced that the election had been stolen from them. The fact that no evidence can be found to support such an assertion will not shift the view they hold that Mr Trump was cheated. Add to that his rhetoric, telling them, the people, to come to Washington and then to march on down to the Capitol, to take back the power which was being stolen from them.
It doesn’t take a mastermind to make a correlation between all these points and to arrive at the conclusion that without actually saying it in so many words ...Mr Trump was expecting they would storm in and prevent the lawful business at hand ...namely the confirmation of Mr Biden as the legally elected President of the United States. This is as clear an incitement to undermine and interfere with the due and legal process of the US government as there could be in my opinion. The likelihood of violence was always present because many of the insurgents were armed and ready to do what was necessary to do their leader’s bidding, and Mr Trump was banking on it. That you can be sure of, regardless of what he may now say to the contrary.
Context. Context is everything. Open a dictionary. You will find different meanings for the same word depending on the...Context. Pelosi's context is (1) that she doesn't have violent groups with allegiance to her or hanging on her every word. And (2) she doesn't have a history of calling for violence to be enacted in her presence. With Trump, it is the opposite. So when Pelosi and Trump both say the word "fight," it has quite different meanings for each and for those who listen to them. That's why there are different entries in the dictionary for the word "fight." Admin, you're smart enough to have figured that out. So how about you reflect critically on the right-wing sophistry that you find on the Web?
Charles Manson never killed anyone. He just sent his followers out to do his dirty work. Basically, that is what Trump did. Called a rally, fired them up, sent them to the capital. Pretty straight line incitement. No confusion here. But then I truly do hate the son of a bitch!
Trump did not incite violence. He did something MUCH worse!
When it was VERY clear The Capitol was being attacked, he refused to deploy the National Guard to protect the government and its elected official. He refused SIX TIMES!
Correction: trump refused 1 time. The other times were before the attack and were decisions by security officials and people at the pentagon.
We can't say its negligence, because he clearly want Congress to invalidate a our completely valid and true election process. So TRUMP AND HIS COLLABORATORS COOPERATED AND HELPED WITH A TERRORIST ATTACK ON OUR GOVERNMENT.
Those terrorists should have been exterminated with extreme prejudice. The fact that they weren't is a national shame and the blame lies starting with Trump, and anyone else who aided and abetted.
Just because one is dumb enough to attempt a poorly executed coercion or overthrow of the government using violence does not excuse one from the repercussions. If one entered the capitol building as part of the attack then one is guilty of sedition. If someone of the governnment helped foment the attack unexpectedly but then refused to do one's duty to protect the government because it result in a power gain, then tgat one is also guilty of sedition.
Jail the perpetrators for LIFE!
You are obviously a Trumper. The man's a big fat liar. Worse president we have ever had. Why would anyone, except a supporter, defend him? If I had just joined agnostic.com I would seriously consider leaving. But I've met too many wonderful people on-line to do that after 2.5 years. Please put a little more thought into your posts from now on. I really don't want to see you lose members.
As twitter deleted the post I can not comment at this time however as he has a history of posts that incite people to violence and glorify violence it would be in character for him to react this way. That he would say something like take back the capitol knowing full well that while rational people would take that to mean use your voting, political power to enact change the morons that follow him go "Imma gonna get ma gun and shoot up shit"
The two tweets you cite do not advocate violence, you're correct. They're also selectively cited.
Taking only 2020 into account, as far back as January, Trump tweeted to support heavily armed demonstrators in Virginia: “The Democrat Party in the Great Commonwealth of Virginia are working hard to take away your 2nd Amendment rights.” Therefore the Democratic party is the enemy.
April 17: Following armed anti-pandemic lockdown protests at several state capitals, Trump tweets: “LIBERATE MINNESOTA!” “LIBERATE MICHIGAN!” and “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!”
These tweets are in response to armed protests in several states, including Michigan, where protesters chanted “lock her up,” referring to Governor Gretchen Whitmer. The tweets prompt a leading legal expert on militias, Mary McCord, to write that Trump has “incited insurrection” against state governments.
April 30: Armed protestors storm the Michigan state capitol building. Two of the protestors are eventually charged in the attempted kidnapping of Governor Gretchen Whitmer (see entry for Oct. 7, 2020).
The New York Times reports that one of the protestors carried a sign that read, “Tyrants Get the Rope,” and another carried an American flag that had a doll made to look like Ms. Whitmer hanging from it.
May 1: Trump tweets in favor of the Michigan protestors: “The Governor of Michigan should give a little, and put out the fire. These are very good people, but they are angry. They want their lives back again, safely! See them, talk to them, make a deal.” The clear message is that it is acceptable to storm a capitol in an armed mob, if you disagree with the democratically elected authority.
June 4: The Trump campaign sends out a fundraising email asking supporters to enlist in the “Trump Army.” What do you need an "army" for in politics?
July 9: President Trump refuses to say whether he will accept the election results.
August 19: President Trump acknowledges and appears to tacitly endorse QAnon during a White House press conference.
August 31: After the police shooting of Jacob Blake, an unarmed black man in Kenosha, Wisconsin, President Trump declines to condemn white nationalist-led violent protests and expresses sympathy for Kyle Rittenhouse, charged with killing 2 men with a rifle he illegally brought over state lines. About the violence in Portland and Kenosha, including white supremacists harassing and shooting peaceful demonstrators with paintballs, Trump says: “Well, I understand that had large numbers of people that were supporters, but that was a peaceful protest…And paint is not — and paint as a defensive mechanism, paint is not bullets. … These people, they protested peacefully. They went in very peacefully.”
September 23: Trump again refuses to say he will ensure a peaceful transfer of power if he loses the election.
In a White House press conference, a reporter asks the president if he will “commit to making sure that there is a peaceful transferal of power after the election?” President Trump answers, “Well,we’re going to have to see what happens.” He further raises alarms about a potential transition of power: “Get rid of the ballots and you’ll have a very peaceful — there won’t be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation.”
September 29: First Presidential Debate.
When asked by debate moderator Chris Wallace, if the president will urge his supporters to “stay calm during this extended period, not to engage in any civil unrest,” President Trump answers vaguely that “bad things happen in Philadelphia. Bad things. And I am urging my people. I hope it’s going to be a fair election.” His answers heighten concern of “election day chaos.”
Later in the debate, when asked to condemn white supremacist militias like the Proud Boys, Trump tells them to “Stand back and stand by,” and that “somebody’s got to do something about antifa and the left.” This is another outright endorsement of white supremacist militias; the Proud Boys adopt "Stand Back & Stand By" as their slogan the next day.
October 07, 2020: The Justice Department indicts ring for attempting to kidnap Michigan Governor. Trump attacks Gov. Whitmer at a rally. “It was our people — my people, our people that helped her out. And then she blamed me for it. She blamed me and it was our people that helped her. I don’t get it. How did you put her there?” (The crowd chants “lock her up” at the rally in response). He then tweets: “I do not tolerate ANY extreme violence. Defending ALL Americans, even those who oppose and attack me, is what I will always do as your President! Governor Whitmer—open up your state, open up your schools, and open up your churches!”
October 15 President Trump claims to know nothing about QAnon, despite already endorsing it in August, and refuses to denounce it.
November 1: President Trump praises supporters who, with their cars, swarm a Biden campaign bus traveling between San Antonio and Texas. “These patriots did nothing wrong,” he tweets in response to news the FBI is investigating the caravan.
November: In the aftermath of the 2020 presidential election, President Trump’s allies lead a media campaign and a call to action of the President’s supporters. Ex-General Michael Flynn (confessed felon, pardoned by Trump) tweets, “This is as serious a constitutional crisis as our nation has ever faced. We will only be the beacon of hope for the world if we are willing to stand with courage and integrity & defend our republic.” Sidney Powell says, “This is essentially a new American revolution. And anyone who wants this country to remain free needs to step up right now.”
December: While the President’s supporters ratchet up calls of martial law and use of force, Republicans beg the President to tone down his rhetoric.
Lin Wood proclaims on Parler: “Our country is headed to Civil War…President Trump must follow the precedent of Abraham Lincoln and declare martial law.” Meanwhile, Georgia election official Gabriel Sterling tweets, “Stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence. Someone is going to get shot, someone is going to get killed. And it’s not right.”
On Dec. 2, Lin Wood speaks at a "Stop the Steal" rally in Alpharetta, Georgia: “We’re going to slay Goliath, the communists, the liberals, the phonies. Joe Biden will never set foot in the Oval Office of this country. It will not happen on our watch. Never gonna happen.”
December 6: Armed protestors arrive at the home of Michigan Secretary of State, Jocelyn Benson, threatening violence after the results of the election.
December 8: The official Twitter account of the Arizona GOP asks supporters whether they are willing to die for President Trump.
December 9:“I believe there will be violence in our streets soon.” Lin Wood predicts during an interview on the pro-Trump TV station, New Tang Dynasty Television.
December 12: On the day of “Stop the Steal” rallies, Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio posts photos of himself taken at the White House, although the White House later denies he was invited.
December 12: “Stop the Steal” rallies occur across the country and turn violent; Trump tweets his encouragement: “Wow! Thousands of people forming in Washington (D.C.) for Stop the Steal. Didn’t know about this, but I’ll be seeing them! #MAGA”
December 14: As the Electoral College plans to meet in statehouses across the country to certify the 2020 election, credible threats of violence force building shutdowns in Michigan.
December 17: Michael Flynn publicly floats the idea that President Trump could use the United States military in response to what the President falsely claims to be a rigged election.
December 18: Michael Flynn and Sidney Powell meet with Trump and top administration officials in a heated meeting at the White House. Trump reportedly asks Flynn to inform him about the martial law idea; other advisors talk Trump out of this notion.
December 19: Trump begins to rally support around a large gathering of his supporters in Washington D.C. on January 6th, immediately following the Senate elections in Georgia and coinciding with Congress’ certification of President-elect Biden’s victory.
Trump tweets: “Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election” and “Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!”
December 27: Trump tweets, “See you in Washington, DC, on January 6th. Don’t miss it. Information to follow.”
December 28: Former Trump White House official Olivia Troye says she is “very concerned that there will be violence on January 6th because the president himself encourages it.”
January 1, 2021: Trump himself tweets, “The BIG Protest Rally in Washington, D.C. will take place at 11:00 A.M. on January 6th. Locational details to follow. StopTheSteal!”
He also retweets Kylie Jane Kremer, chair of Women for America First, an organizer of the rally:
“The calvary[sic] is coming, Mr. President! JANUARY 6th”. The President responds “A great honor!” in his retweet.
Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) says on Newsmax that as a consequence of the dismissal of his lawsuit enjoining Mike Pence to overturn the election results, “you got to go to the streets and be as violent as Antifa and BLM.” As usual, Trump says nothing to disavow the encouragement of violence on his behalf.
January 3, 2021: Support continues to grow for the January 6th event, as President Trump and ally Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) encourage supporters to show up.
At a rally ahead of the Georgia Senate special election, Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) says, “We will not go quietly into the night. We will defend liberty. And we are going to win.”
Meanwhile, Trump retweets @CodeMonkeyZ (now suspended by Twitter): “If you are planning to attend peaceful protests in DC on the 6th, i recommend wearing a body camera. The more video angles of that day the better.”
January 4, 2021: On the eve of the two-days of events in DC, Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio is arrested in Washington D.C., as President Trump and Donald Trump Jr. call for supporters to “fight like hell.”
January 5, 2021: General Flynn directs veiled threats to Congress while speaking at a rally. “Those of you who are feeling weak tonight, those of you who don’t have the moral fiber in your body — get some tonight because tomorrow we the people are going to be here.”
January 6, 2021: In the morning, President Trump and his allies encourage his followers to show up for the protests over Twitter.
President Trump tweets, “The States want to redo their votes. They found out they voted on a FRAUD. Legislatures never approved. Let them do it. BE STRONG!”
“Today is 1776” tweets newly elected Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO), who had earlier in the week made a video purporting to carry her firearm into the Capitol.
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) tweets, “FIGHT. FOR. TRUMP.”
January 6, 2021: President Trump, members of his family and supporters speak at the rally on the National Mall in Washington D.C.
Donald Trump Jr. warms up the crowd, saying of Republican lawmakers, “If you’re gonna be the zero and not the hero, we’re coming for you.”
Rudy Giuliani is next. “If we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. So let’s have trial by combat … I’ll be darned if they’re going to take our free and fair vote…We’re going to fight to the very end to make sure that doesn’t happen.”
Then Trump himself takes the podium:
I would love to have if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed the military, the Secret Service and we want to thank you and the police and law enforcement great you’re doing a great job, but I would love it if they could be allowed to come up with us.
We’re going to walk down to the Capitol– and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them
You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.
Something is wrong here, something is really wrong, can’t have happened and we fight, we fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.
So we are going to–we are going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue, I love Pennsylvania Avenue, and we are going to the Capitol, and we are going to try and give–the Democrats are hopeless, they are never voting for anything, not even one vote but we are going to try–give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help, we’re try–going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.
I don't see how you could have missed all of the above events in the news, for the last year, which is why I've provided the summary.
The portrait here is a President who glorifies violence by his followers, dismisses democratic norms, excuses violent acts as long as it's his supporters undertaking them, and tacitly endorses, by his silence if nothing else, the most violent extremism, including calls for martial law and revolution- all because his ego can't bear the thought of losing an election. And his constant calls for "strength", to "fight", "fight like hell", "take back our country"- how can you NOT see that these are inflammatory dog whistles to the thousands who had come to Washington DC, already hyped up by a year of talk about a rigged election, already primed by talk of reclaiming the country (from the democratic election, but never mind that), already knowing that they have a President who excuses and supports violence in his name, who supports the storming of a state capitol? Why not take the next step? How else does one take back the country than by taking back the seat of government?
How can you, in any seriousness, ask "What did Trump do?"
The first video is a guy who thinks he's a comic. Try using a real source like those in the green box at the top of the photo or using www.mediabiasfactcheck.com to see where your sources are on the spectrum. AND STOP BELIEVING ANY WORD OUT OF TRUMP'S MOUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, Admin, you show yourself to be on the wrong side time and time again. Go to my post from Seth Abramson and read it ALL THE WAY THROUGH then answer your own question. Facts and truth are important.
I keep seeing @Admin use the excuse of yes, but BLM. All that does is cloud the issue. The issue is on and before Jan 6, 2021 did Donald Trump incite violence against those that disagreed with him. Do you remember 2016, "rough them up, I'll pay for the lawyer", when the looting starts, the shooting starts, and the list is way too long to try to begin to list hjere. The issue you asked about was DJT,, NOT BLM. If this is to be a valid exhange, don't change the rules in the middle. One topic at a time please. If you have a problem with BLM post on that, don't begin by asking about DJT then answer many questions with but BLM.
It is hard for me to realistically believe that Trump (and some of his supporters) are not purveyors of division at the least, violence at the worst.
How are we (anyone) to believe him (given all the misinformation/lies), if/when he says he wants peace ?
By a strictly legal standard, based on Supreme Court precedent, Trump did not say anything that would qualify as "Incitement," which requires a high threshold be satisfied, because the First Amendment most strongly protects political speech, and a president as an individual citizen is protected by that just as much as anyone else. For terms of impeachment, under the "high crimes and misdemeanors" section, the legal standard is not as high, and given his past 4 years, all the tweets, speeches, and random comments he's made, as well as his unchecked sociopathic narcissism, it is obvious to a not-very-sharp rock he absolutely intended to provoke the incident and totally got off on it. This is the guy who was quoted as admitting how much he loves the poorly educated. Why? Because only a poorly educated and/or person of low intelligence would actually fall prey to Trump's bs. Pericles, he is not.