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What did Trump do, if anything, to incite violence?

This question is sincere as I'm trying to find out myself. I'm a fairly active reader of news but have only seen outrage in mainstream news outlets about the DC protests and not specific claims of what Trump did or how the protests were more violent or dangerous than the months of BLM protests last year. The attached video by JP Sears seems to suggest that Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, Apple, and Google have teamed up with Liberals to censor dissent and promote that Trump is dangerous via propaganda. In the video, he shows two tweets of Trump, shown below, that he says is what the fuss is all about - is that right?

Bonus question: How are the alleged calls of violence by Trump different or worse than those in this video below?

Did Trump incite violence?

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He literally said to go peacefully. Cry babies are just looking for a reason.

And, you are ignoring that he riled them up for weeks about non-existent voter fraud and told them they would not win by being weak.

And then, he watched what they were doing on television and DID NOTHING, until those around him finally convinced him that he could be held liable for their actions.

@Joanne

Sure......

@CourtJester Oh, gee...did they kill anyone? Did they beat police officers with flagpoles? Did they disrupt the democratic process and were they calling for the overthrow of an election?

@Joanne With that reasoning; would it be okay to hold Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson liable for the black businesses burned down and looted after speeches at BLM rallies? Maybe Pelosi or Waters after what they said supporting Antifa?

Let's keep it equal here. If "go peacefully" is justification, then what they said should be complete text book insurrection.

Are the goose and gander separate?

He literally said "fight like hell". They did.

@Mooolah I fight like hell at work every day, but I’ve yet to punch a patient in the face.
Anyone taking the word “fight” in a literal sense is simply looking for something stupid to argue about. And it is stupid. And even the democrats know it.

@CourtJester Are you the decider of "stupid"? Never mind. That is not a cogent argument. That is an opinion. I can not discuss with someone who declares what "stupid" is as it can't be fixed so I would be arguing with a wall. Sorry dude. You don't work like hell as you have never been in hell. Working in America thanks to our UNIONS insulates us from hell. So..... jest forth .

@Mooolah haha. Funny stuff Unions were useful 80 years ago. Now unions fool people into paying for what federal law requires.

@CourtJester Federal law requires what the unions worked for. Federal law now embraces the protections unions struggled for . Indeed the union movement has been undone by Republican manipulation of perception. Things are regressing due to the undermining of the union movement. Union's struggle to safeguard the working class leaves Americans complacent & resting on their laurels. We are a gluttonous, hubristic lot.

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Why can't we have standard rules for judging this which are applied on an equal basis to all things? Religions are allowed to propagate hate by calling directly for violence and not merely hinting at it, so if people want to go after Trump for inciting violence if you interpret his words in a particular way where there's more than enough ambiguity for your interpretation to be wrong, they have no excuse for not condemning religions that are far worse. What do we see there though? They defend that hate and the calls for acts of genocide.

Get rid of the hypocrisy and make it a level playing field so that everyone has to meet the same standards.

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Best analysis I have seen so far:

Gareth Level 7 Jan 14, 2021

This is well done and helpful... thanks!

Thank you for posting this!

Wonderful LEGAL analysis . . . however :

No doubt any impeachment will involve lawyers and 'legal' arguments, but it does not involve SCOTUS (it was reported today that impeachment 2.0 will be 'headed' by the democrat President pro tempore of the Senate)

Impeachment does NOT require anything criminal -- the only requirement is whatever the joint Congress decides is impeachable.

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What did dear old George III do to justify all those hateful things that spiteful Tom said about him in the Declaration?

Krish55 Level 8 Jan 13, 2021
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Trump stirred up anger with false claims of election fraud, implemented a plan to interfere with the certification of electoral college votes, told people to "fight like hell" before sending them marching to the Capitol, advocated beating up protesters at his rallys (and said he would pay the legal fees), and brought white nationalism into the mainstream with comment like "very fine people" applied to white nationalists who chanted "Jews will not replace us," beat up counter-protesters, and drove a car at high speed into a crowd, killing one person and injuring many others. Trump definitely incited violence. Which is typical of cowards like him; he would NEVER put his own body on the line.

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I like all of the actual quotes on here of what he actually said that was so pointed. That says it all.

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Pelosi & Kamala Harris are guilty of inciting riots murdering bad or good cops burning down cities and letting looters go free since last summer....fake news fascism has been obvious since 2015 promoting criminal BILLARY and rigging the coup de tat for the BidenS crime families

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I have always expected Atheists to tell the truth about everything given their courage to tell the truth about McCarthyism.. ... I remain baffled why 129 Atheists BELIEVE FAKE NEWS and blindly hate TrumpOLINI
.....especially letting the demonRATs illegally kick off ballots our Atheist WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US in 19 states illegally rigged 2 primaries against Bernie 2016&2020 and pretend 5 states did not steal the election from 75 million TrumpOLINI voters ? 123 thousand extra ballots were stuffed in Pennsylvania over the total number of real voters voting in all other races....THAT IS A FACT on the official state website PA SECY STATE..... all 129 of you have proven your incompetence to sit on any jury USA....I am ashamed of the blueReds redBlues duopoly who still blame Ralph Nader for Jeb Bush crime family stealing the election from PRESIDENT Albert Gore Junior 43

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From the late Carlin .... and the group could be Senate, Congress, Antifa, BLM, any far right group .... or any crowd at football, hockey, etc. Once you have a crowd with a common idea there is an inherent mob tendancy that can explode
It seems to me, a complete outsider who has no particular interest, that the stupid democrat group, through impeachment, will only serve to anger and unite the stupid republican group .... leading to deeper division in what was once a great democracy.

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@Admin Tribalism is really tearing our country apart, and I blame the tribalist mentality for all the arguing over that issue. Over the years (the last four in particular) I've observed that those who tend to lean left will almost always side with Democrat politicians and those who lean right will almost always side with the Republicans, no one hardly wants to come to the middle these days. From a strictly independent point of view (I neither hate or favor President Trump), upon considering the content of those two tweets I'd say there was no call to violent acts.

In the first tweet Trump simply said he will not be attending the Inauguration of Joe Biden, and given the present circumstances with Covid and so many events going virtual, that seems like an okay call. One would think any advocates of social distancing/limiting attendance at social events would be in favor of such a decision.

In the second tweet, Trump mentioned about those who had voted for him will have a voice well into the future, and that they will not be disrespected for their views more or less.

Now... how does a few tweets about not attending the next Presidential Inauguration and Trump voter's voices being heard automatically equate to calls of violence? There is nothing violent about any of that. I'm convinced that when it comes to political or emotional issues, people see whatever it is they want to see. If you already hold a grudge against a particular individual and said individual suddenly gets caught up in some sort of scandal, chances are fairly high you would not be inclined to cut that person any slack whatsoever (vice versa the situation if you like the person). My point is, the ado over Trump's tweets is largely based on emotions, and not rationale. People see whatever it is they want to see (or not see), imagining things along the way that do not exist, and mostly due to some sort of personal bias.

Just an independent take on the matter from someone who doesn't care for either political extreme. Please note my restraint on the double standard there that so many got worked up over Trump's tweets and yet most of those very same individuals said absolutely nothing last summer when ANTIFA/BLM went on criminal rampages committing acts of arson & threatening people who held views different from theirs & ransacking businesses at the direct urging of some Democrat politicans. I could go on and on over all of that, pointing out the blatant hypocrisy, but that would probably make for another post another time perhaps. The tribalist mentality is truly damaging our country.

SpikeTalon Level 9 Jan 14, 2021
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I would answer your questions but this site won't let me copy/paste the questions so I can reference them and answer.

Leelu Level 7 Jan 13, 2021

Can you elaborate? There are checks for multiple postings of the same content...

@Admin You posted a large paragraph with multiple questions. I wanted to copy/paste the paragraph, break them down and answer them one by one BUT though I could copy them, when I tried to right click to paste it would not give me that option. I tried several times in several ways but no option to "paste".

@Leelu on mac, try "apple-V" or "ctrl-v" on PC? For mobile, "long press"?

@Admin Thank you. I shouldn't have to do that but it worked. I replied above.

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