Free will correlates with free thought.

ChestRockfield comments on Jul 8, 2022:

Technically, yes, but those are kind of different uses of that phrase. Also, many people don't do it knowingly. (*How many people in your everyday life have philosophical discussions about free will?*) While it's true that none of my thoughts are under my control [mine] they were subconsciously ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 8, 2022:

@Word I don't know what that adds to the discussion.

There is no policy or plan to get these numbers down.

ChestRockfield comments on Jul 8, 2022:

I wonder if people who foster are going to be cool with the increase in FAS and drug-addicted babies.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 8, 2022:

@Pralina1 I have to imagine a number of fetuses that would have been aborted are going to turn into more of those babies...

Free will correlates with free thought.

ChestRockfield comments on Jul 8, 2022:

Technically, yes, but those are kind of different uses of that phrase. Also, many people don't do it knowingly. (*How many people in your everyday life have philosophical discussions about free will?*) While it's true that none of my thoughts are under my control [mine] they were subconsciously ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 8, 2022:

@Word So you think things you can't control, like hair growth or the creation of blood cells, are still "you" because it's part of your body? If your body one day stopped making thrombocytes, or started making sickle-shaped red ones, would that be *your* fault? Did *you* choose that because your body systems *are * you? I don't think any reasonable person would attribute agency and fault to such things. So once you realize that all of your thoughts and actions are also outside of your control, you can see that it's the same situation. The desire or even the thought to filter things is also outside your control. The ability to remember to do that? Outside your control. Thinking it's a good idea to filter instead of a bad one when you first heard about it? Outside your control. Everything can be traced back to things you didn't choose and couldn't control.

This is a post by a Christian extremist.

FvckY0u comments on Jul 7, 2022:

Delusional people should be held to account for their delusions. Somehow as a society we have to get a hold of this problem.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 8, 2022:

@ErichZannIII The problem with that is that even if you could prove their decision was religiously motivated, *they* didn't make a law banning abortion, individual states did. Unfortunately, nothing those 6 scumbag assholes did was illegal or unconstitutional.

This is a post by a Christian extremist.

FvckY0u comments on Jul 7, 2022:

Delusional people should be held to account for their delusions. Somehow as a society we have to get a hold of this problem.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 7, 2022:

@ErichZannIII What exactly was unconstitutional about it?

This is a post by a Christian extremist.

FvckY0u comments on Jul 7, 2022:

Delusional people should be held to account for their delusions. Somehow as a society we have to get a hold of this problem.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 7, 2022:

You can't really blame them for thinking they're going to be successful. People have been telling them for 50 years they were never going to be successful overturning Roe, and they got that done...

Medical ethical questions arising from political bans on abortion Post by Rebecca Solnit ...

phoenixone1 comments on Jul 7, 2022:

Nothing but respect for what they are having to navigate through...our country is being taken over by ignorance and theology. Our leaders at present are weak and afraid ... Only to be replaced I fear with rabid and insane. Pity we couldn't find a way for a NATIONWIDE BOYCOTT of Medical Care for ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 7, 2022:

@phoenixone1 I said you hope no one gets raped, but IF rapes HAVE to happen...

Medical ethical questions arising from political bans on abortion Post by Rebecca Solnit ...

phoenixone1 comments on Jul 7, 2022:

Nothing but respect for what they are having to navigate through...our country is being taken over by ignorance and theology. Our leaders at present are weak and afraid ... Only to be replaced I fear with rabid and insane. Pity we couldn't find a way for a NATIONWIDE BOYCOTT of Medical Care for ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 7, 2022:

You hope no one gets raped, ever, but since rapes do still occur daily, why couldn't it be exclusively pro-lifers and their family members, which result in pregnancies followed by their forced gestation, then lawsuits from the rapists for partial custody and child support.

Are there any left?

ChestRockfield comments on Jul 6, 2022:

I finally got one of those apologists to block me, so at least I don't have to hear his nonsense anymore.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 7, 2022:

@Fernapple Keep up the good work.

From the Fourth of July to the Sixth of January The midnight ride of Paul Revere is among the ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jul 4, 2022:

I love that all of that shit is ultimately being blamed on the Democrats by this author. What a fucking joke.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 7, 2022:

@William_Mary How the fuck is my foul language even in the same ballpark as quoting, and at minimum, tacitly condoning inciting a riot between two groups of armed citizens by deputizing one of the groups WITHOUT THE AUTHORITY TO DO SO? If "you have a potty mouth" is the best comeback you can muster to the evidence of WSWS condoning violence, you ought to look at what you're supporting and sharing.

Are there any left?

ChestRockfield comments on Jul 6, 2022:

I finally got one of those apologists to block me, so at least I don't have to hear his nonsense anymore.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 7, 2022:

@Fernapple Aw crud. My silver lining has been tarnished. That's a really good point.

Three monkeys of Religion

Flyingsaucesir comments on Jul 6, 2022:

One enviable thing about our simian cousins: they are not beleaguered by religion.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 6, 2022:

@xenoview There's really no evidence to lead us to believe they do...

From the Fourth of July to the Sixth of January The midnight ride of Paul Revere is among the ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jul 4, 2022:

I love that all of that shit is ultimately being blamed on the Democrats by this author. What a fucking joke.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 6, 2022:

@William_Mary The author of the article quoted the passage from that book directly after saying the following, "The Democratic Party made no attempt to oppose Trump’s coup, either in its lead-up or as it was taking place. As the coup was unfolding, then-President-elect Joe Biden made a statement encouraging the coup’s leader to address the nation on live television. No leading Democrat even issued so much as a tweet calling on defenders of democracy to come to Washington" as if it was support for that claim. The article's author places blame on the Democratic Party for not doing anything to stop it and then quotes an instance of something they could have done but "refused". Furthermore, the article's author did not denounce it as irrational, dangerous, and highly fucking illegal. (*You do know that's super fucking illegal, right?*) So now you DEFINITELY have seen a WSWS article suggest violence because otherwise the failure to carry out such an act would not be morally blameworthy.

Happy fourth, or not.

Lizard_of_Ahaz comments on Jul 4, 2022:

And neither of them worthy of it....

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 6, 2022:

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Whatever, this is going nowhere. Duverger's Law let's me know we only have two choices regardless of what independents think. I'm going to continue to make practical decisions by voting for the candidate of the two that can possibly win the general that most closely aligns with my values. If you think that's voting against my own interests we fundamentally disagree on the nature of reality and we'll have to continue to think the other is a fucking idiot...

From the Fourth of July to the Sixth of January The midnight ride of Paul Revere is among the ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jul 4, 2022:

I love that all of that shit is ultimately being blamed on the Democrats by this author. What a fucking joke.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 6, 2022:

@William_Mary No, I saw that. It's the fact that they are trying to shift *any* of the blame for Jan 6th to the Democrats that's the ridiculously stupid part. In his reasoning for shifting some blame he states, "the Democratic Party *refused* an offer by union officials from nearby Philadelphia to send thousands of armed construction workers to clear the mob, in the military’s absence." If you think it's feasible or appropriate in ANY way to essentially deputize a mob of armed CITIZENS to engage in what would clearly result in a street war with another mob of armed citizens, you're one of the dumbest fuckin' people I've ever talked to because that's easily one of the dumbest fuckin' things I've ever heard for so many reasons I can't even begin to write them all out. If you're too dumb to figure any of those reasons out on your own, you're too dumb for me to bother talking to.

@MaryChristmas apparently blocked me for the comment I posted (seen below).

Smurfing101 comments on Jul 6, 2022:

She blocked you because she thought you were being condescending

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 6, 2022:

Huh. I didn't mean to be. That's my honest assessment of the situation. I think all of them knew exactly what they were doing and how to answer. They knew that question was coming and crafted their responses specifically so it would sound like they weren't going after Roe, but allowed them to if given the opportunity without perjury. Honestly, even if we exclude Trump's explicit promise to appoint pro-life justices, the careful wording of their testimony should have been more of an indication that they would overturn Roe than protect it. If people put their parent hats on for a second and think about that scenario they'll probably realize. If you ask your child if they're going to do something, and they gave you a long winding response where they didn't say no, you'd be immediately suspicious and assume it is their intention to do that exact thing.

Happy fourth, or not.

Lizard_of_Ahaz comments on Jul 4, 2022:

And neither of them worthy of it....

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 6, 2022:

@Lizard_of_Ahaz First of all, who the fuck is taking about the McCain race? I'm saying that anyone who throws a tantrum and votes against their own interests to prove a point is fuckin' stupid and partially to blame for whatever happens they don't like. Any Bernie Bro that followed through on the threat, or even swayed public opinion and caused someone else to, even if ultimately voting Clinton is one of those people.

Happy fourth, or not.

Lizard_of_Ahaz comments on Jul 4, 2022:

And neither of them worthy of it....

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 6, 2022:

@Lizard_of_Ahaz You think pouting like little bitches and voting for Trump when they didn't get their way was *good* strategy? My point ladies and gentlemen...

Happy fourth, or not.

Lizard_of_Ahaz comments on Jul 4, 2022:

And neither of them worthy of it....

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 5, 2022:

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Did you not hear me just say, "I think this was a strategic move, finally, on the part of the Democratic leadership"? They almost never make the right strategic move. They're total pussies. BUT, they're still a million times better than Republicans in office. That's what the Bernie Bro crowd never seems to learn. They're fine losing the war trying to march uphill to the moral high ground.

Happy fourth, or not.

Lizard_of_Ahaz comments on Jul 4, 2022:

And neither of them worthy of it....

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 5, 2022:

@Lizard_of_Ahaz A House member being pro-choice (which he said he wouldn't stand in the way of that anyway) is fairly irrelevant right now, but potentially losing a house seat which would definitely result in an anti-choice vote isn't. We're talking about someone with a proven record of winning, what, 9 consecutive elections? I'm not making an excuse because I *want* someone who's anti-choice. I'm saying that we're in the shitstorm we're in because the fucking Democrats don't know how to game the system like the Republicans do. I think this was a strategic move, finally, on the part of the Democratic leadership. The Republicans are a win-at-all-costs party, and we need to get a little of that mentality if we ever want to get out of the situation we're in.

The women’s reproductive rights march was excellent! I met a lot of very fired up pissed off Texas...

DharmaBum50 comments on Jul 4, 2022:

Some great signs there! Thanks for sharing!

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 5, 2022:

@Redheadedgammy The ignore abortions one is awesome!

From the Fourth of July to the Sixth of January The midnight ride of Paul Revere is among the ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jul 4, 2022:

I love that all of that shit is ultimately being blamed on the Democrats by this author. What a fucking joke.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 5, 2022:

@William_Mary No, in other words, the author is a fuckin' idiot.

Happy fourth, or not.

Lizard_of_Ahaz comments on Jul 4, 2022:

And neither of them worthy of it....

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 5, 2022:

@Lizard_of_Ahaz So he hasn't appointed a federal judge for McConnell, it was just reported that he would... Also, Cuellar is in fucking TEXAS. A Democrat, who has been able to win IN TEXAS for 17 years. You'd rather we run someone that is super liberal IN TEXAS and lose a seat? This is why Democrats can't hold on to power to save their fuckin' lives. Below is his recent voting record. You tell me how many of those votes would have gone that way if a Republican were holding that seat.

Happy fourth, or not.

Lizard_of_Ahaz comments on Jul 4, 2022:

And neither of them worthy of it....

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 4, 2022:

@Lizard_of_Ahaz Source? Snopes has an article on the story, but no confirmation. Additionally, the rumored nomination didn't happen, so... Either way, if you think a judge at the state level in a super red state is the same as 3 Supreme Court pro-lifers, then I don't know how to help you. You live in a country with two options and, sadly, you have to choose the lesser of two evils or the more evil one wins. Millions of people who have a broken evil meter is the reason we got Trump and women are second-class citizens now.

Happy fourth, or not.

Lizard_of_Ahaz comments on Jul 4, 2022:

And neither of them worthy of it....

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 4, 2022:

@Lizard_of_Ahaz And that's clearly what this meme is about...

Happy fourth, or not.

Lizard_of_Ahaz comments on Jul 4, 2022:

And neither of them worthy of it....

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 4, 2022:

Women aren't worthy of living in a free and democratic society?? Cool. Cool cool cool.

A joke about second hand cars.

Word comments on Jul 3, 2022:

Beliefs are not passed. Belief is a subjective action that each person does to hold information as true. Knowledge or information of something is what is passed from person to person or in a family or culture. The information can be forced upon someone but it is still their subjective ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 4, 2022:

@Fernapple I completely agree that because of the reasons you listed, most of the time I behave as though I have free will. But just as I've thrown out the concept of punishing the criminal as opposed to protecting the society, I too have banished the idea that I can simply choose what to believe or how to feel. In a generic sense I feel I can go do whatever I want. I think about what I want to eat. Discuss what we want to do or what movie to watch. And I could get caught up in the particulars of the fact that even thoughts and discussions are not under my control to have or not have, but that's not really helpful or of concern; I see no appreciable impact from that distinction. But the lack of choice of beliefs and feelings does have that impact, at least to me. There was a woman I used to work with that kept telling me I needed to stop being sad or angry about these two things and just forgive the people. I could and should choose to forgive and let it go because forgiveness is for the individual giving it as they're the one being harmed without it. I thought it was a rude thing to say. It dismissed my feelings (that I can't control) and made me the bad guy for still feeling that way. I tried to explain to her that you can't choose how you feel, but she still maintains that you absolutely can. A few months after that, her husband left her and she was devastated. Not sure why my brain's ultimate decision was to refrain from telling her she should just choose to be happy he left her instead of sad, but it was probably for the best. 😝

A joke about second hand cars.

Word comments on Jul 3, 2022:

Beliefs are not passed. Belief is a subjective action that each person does to hold information as true. Knowledge or information of something is what is passed from person to person or in a family or culture. The information can be forced upon someone but it is still their subjective ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 3, 2022:

@Word Can anyone decipher this word salad? Do you sundown or something? Seriously, during the daytime, your comments were perfectly coherent, now, I feel like I'm at the end of a game of telephone with 16 schizophrenics. @Fernapple, you're a smart as they come, you got a clue what he's saying or why the comments went from perfectly normal to whatever this is?

A joke about second hand cars.

Word comments on Jul 3, 2022:

Beliefs are not passed. Belief is a subjective action that each person does to hold information as true. Knowledge or information of something is what is passed from person to person or in a family or culture. The information can be forced upon someone but it is still their subjective ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 3, 2022:

@Word I no longer have any clue what you're trying to say. To me, this sounds like gibberish. I mean, it's not even close to proper English. Honestly, I'd be shocked if anyone here could decode this.

A joke about second hand cars.

Word comments on Jul 3, 2022:

Beliefs are not passed. Belief is a subjective action that each person does to hold information as true. Knowledge or information of something is what is passed from person to person or in a family or culture. The information can be forced upon someone but it is still their subjective ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 3, 2022:

@Word There was a lot of imprecise language (parasite virus??) in there, but I think your main question is if there's a difference between what we describe as voluntary and involuntary actions. The answer to the last two questions is essentially both yes. One cannot take credit for the involuntary growth of their hair and nails in the same way that they cannot take credit for cutting or not cutting them as those decisions are made in the subconscious as a result of a combination of the physical and chemical composition of their brains and the entirety of their experiences and are only witnessed by their conscious mind. Again, if you have any evidence that you can be a prime mover of a causal chain that doesn't boil down to, "I feel like I did it," I'm all ears.

A joke about second hand cars.

Word comments on Jul 3, 2022:

Beliefs are not passed. Belief is a subjective action that each person does to hold information as true. Knowledge or information of something is what is passed from person to person or in a family or culture. The information can be forced upon someone but it is still their subjective ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 3, 2022:

@dalefvictor Trust me, I can only go based on what makes scientific sense. If I add feelings into the mix, I'd go right back to incorrectly thinking there's free will. Of course, then I'd be like most religious folks who believe in god with no evidence, only feelings.

A joke about second hand cars.

Word comments on Jul 3, 2022:

Beliefs are not passed. Belief is a subjective action that each person does to hold information as true. Knowledge or information of something is what is passed from person to person or in a family or culture. The information can be forced upon someone but it is still their subjective ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 3, 2022:

@dalefvictor Everything you said amounts to 'I have free will because I think/feel like I have free will.' No part of your explanation offers support for humans having the power to begin casual chains. "Making a decision that flies in the face of that" is not possible. If you rebelled against your normal routine or followed it exactly as normal is all determined by factors outside your control. The thought to rebel arises from your subconscious without your control. Whether or not you ultimately follow through with that plan? Also outside of your control. What you do instead is also a result of options given to you by your subconscious. You are not free to choose that which does not occur to you. If you research the science behind it, and understand the implications of what you're reading, you should come to this conclusion. But I'll ask you to do the same thing as @Word. Provide an explanation of how humans are the prime movers of casual chains that doesn't boil down to, "But I really *feel* like I'm doing it!" There's millions of people that can't provide that evidence that desperately want it.

A joke about second hand cars.

Word comments on Jul 3, 2022:

Beliefs are not passed. Belief is a subjective action that each person does to hold information as true. Knowledge or information of something is what is passed from person to person or in a family or culture. The information can be forced upon someone but it is still their subjective ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 3, 2022:

@Word It seems as though everything you just said, save for the blinking part, supports the notion that we do not have free will. You can, if you're interested, find studies done under functional MRI scans that prove movements like those, no matter how much you concentrate on them or 'change your mind' *still* originate in the subconscious mind. There is just no room in a scientific explanation of the world for humans to be 'prime movers' of casual chains. If you can come up with any evidence for it other than "I feel like I'm doing it" I, and the scientific community at large, would LOVE to hear it.

A joke about second hand cars.

Word comments on Jul 3, 2022:

Beliefs are not passed. Belief is a subjective action that each person does to hold information as true. Knowledge or information of something is what is passed from person to person or in a family or culture. The information can be forced upon someone but it is still their subjective ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 3, 2022:

@Word Nobody feels like their choices are forced. I know that free will doesn't exist and yet I still *feel* like I have free will. You're not even taking into account the fact that you didn't choose to have the mind of a questioning person. Or the fact that I can't choose to be blissfully unquestioning. Nor can you account for why your feelings about a given topic are such that when you question something you come to the conclusion you do. These are all parts of guessing why or the rationalization of the "choice" you made. You can't possibly know all of the bits of information that your brain processed to come to the decision it made. Sometimes you can't even come up with a rationalization at all. "Sir, door number 1 or 2?" "2 please" "Why did you pick 2?" "I don't know, I just did." Basically, however, if you can consciously choose sometimes, why wouldn't you just consciously choose to always choose consciously? Why wouldn't I choose to like working out? Why wouldn't I choose to dislike chips and cheeseburgers, or smoking as you suggested? You say that those are not as easy because of the chemical component, but what you're not taking into account is *all* brain states have a chemical component to them. Another problem is there's no room in a physical explanation of the world for free will. https://youtu.be/vCGtkDzELAI

A joke about second hand cars.

Word comments on Jul 3, 2022:

Beliefs are not passed. Belief is a subjective action that each person does to hold information as true. Knowledge or information of something is what is passed from person to person or in a family or culture. The information can be forced upon someone but it is still their subjective ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 3, 2022:

What your brain finds plausible or believable is 100% outside of your conscious control. It is, in fact, wholly dependent on the physical and chemical composition of your brain, which you cannot choose, and the entirety of your life's experiences, which you didn't choose. The latter, however, is far more a result of what your parents exposed you to, *though they didn't "choose" that either.* While it is true that while what is provided to you will not necessarily result in your ultimate belief of that information (like the religious beliefs of most people on this site), just like a car for most 16 year olds with no income, savings, or credit, you're likely going to drive the beliefs that are "given" to you, at least for several years. To think that's not true, in the face of the fact that over 90% of adolescents report they share some or all of the religious beliefs of their parents, is to be extremely ignorant of the nature of reality. "About half (48%) of adolescents ages 13 to 17 report that they and their parent share all the same religious beliefs. Nearly as many (43%) say they share some beliefs with their parent, while 8% say their parent has quite different religious beliefs." https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2020/09/10/shared-beliefs-between-parents-and-teens/#:~:text=About%20half%20(48%25)%20of,has%20quite%20different%20religious%20beliefs.

Well it looks like Matias has blocked me again, and I was not even remotely rude this time.

Sgt_Spanky comments on Jul 2, 2022:

I just wanted to break in and say I have no idea who Matias is nor do I care. Carry on.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 3, 2022:

@Sgt_Spanky Don't worry, they were "Jesus bucks" only good for religious attractions like the Ark Encounter.

What is worse, FEAR or GREED?

Cyklone comments on Jul 2, 2022:

Personally, I think that greed is worse. I suspect that everything which we might label as evil is actually greed in disguise. People taking what they want without thought or consideration for others in any way. I want this country.. I want to satisfy myself, my desires, my needs, at your expense ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 2, 2022:

@Castlepaloma Not just humans. Everything. Humans have just let it take over.

Not just trump, not just the leaders, every fucking one of them from dog catcher on up.

Garban comments on Jul 1, 2022:

It may be our last chance to vote.

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 1, 2022:

They still vote in Russia...

Those hateful atheists who think that "religion poisons everything" (one of their mantras which I ...

Fernapple comments on Jul 1, 2022:

Of course religion has had many benefits, especially in the past, I doubt you will find anyone to dispute that, that is a strawman argument. In part because, in the ancient past, religion was simply the same thing as culture, the Roman word "religio" even meant exactly that, to some, because the ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 1, 2022:

@Redheadedgammy Yeah, he's brilliant. I can always tell it's his even before I've scrolled enough to see his name.

Today in St Louis a 4 year old was shot dead due to playing with a gun.

NostraDumbass comments on Jun 30, 2022:

Nothing will change until there’s a mass shooting event at a GOP rally or NRA convention. And even then it’s a long shot (pun intended).

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 1, 2022:

There was an attempted mass shooting at a GOP baseball practice game a few years ago. The shooter was unfortunately unsuccessful in getting the GOP to think about what's right instead of their own money, power, and political ambitions.

I see that the useful lie argument still has some support even among people on this site.

Matias comments on Jun 30, 2022:

"Some support among people..." *Who* is a proponent of the idea that religion is a useful lie? Nota bene: a lie is not the same as an imaginary construct, an imagined order...etc. Talking about a *lie* presupposes that the liar is aware of the truth. (Yours truly would never call religions ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jul 1, 2022:

@Fernapple Linking his own post was fire.

Greta Thunberg on Twitter: "If we delay emission cuts we “will miss a brief and rapidly closing ...

Reignmond comments on Feb 28, 2022:

Greta is just a little kid who has learned to parrot 1960s enviro-rhetoric. She knows nothing. Listening to her is like getting your education from memes. Go to the actual science.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 30, 2022:

@Canndue And shit like this doesn't help either... Supreme Court curbs EPA's ability to fight climate change https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/30/politics/supreme-court-climate-change-epa-regulations/index.html

I see that the useful lie argument still has some support even among people on this site.

Matias comments on Jun 30, 2022:

The concept of "inalienable human rights" is a useful lie too. Or if you prefer: a useful imaginary construct. As long as people believe in it, and it does more good than harm - what's wrong with it? Organisms have to survive and maybe even prosper , and if they achieve this using mimicry, ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 30, 2022:

@Matias You didn't say anything about a right to life, specifically, at least to me. Alienbeing blocked me, so I can't see anything he said, only the responses to him. Either way, any of these things described as rights, is only done so because of the limits of language and human understanding of these concepts when they were defined. It's not a lie to say basically, "I have an instinct of self-preservation, and I assume others [like me] also have that same instinct. It would be beneficial if we all respected these instincts." But pretty much all uses of the word "rights" and not just for humans, and not just in the absence of someone to seek a remedy from, are nonsensical. The existence of life itself is a pure accident, so it's impossible to claim rights, purpose, intended outcomes, etc. for anything ever. That's why it's just poorly defined, but not a lie. Compare these two claims: You have a right to consume other organisms to provide sustenance and survive. God has created you in his image and you have been ordained to rule over the Earth and all other inhabitants of it to your ends. In the first instance, 'right' is only a misnomer for a biological imperative, a statement of fact. Something every other living organism does, even if not consciously aware of it. The second is a claim of superiority from an all-powerful being. *Ya know, an actual lie.* It provides a path to, and justification for, subjugation of all non-human entities, and, since those dirty humans that believe in that fake god X weren't ordained by the real god [my god] I'm justified in subjugating them, too.

I see that the useful lie argument still has some support even among people on this site.

Matias comments on Jun 30, 2022:

The concept of "inalienable human rights" is a useful lie too. Or if you prefer: a useful imaginary construct. As long as people believe in it, and it does more good than harm - what's wrong with it? Organisms have to survive and maybe even prosper , and if they achieve this using mimicry, ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 30, 2022:

"The concept of 'inalienable human rights' is a useful lie too." No, it is not. It is a fundamental truth of evolutionary biology. The way it is phrased, by humans and about humans, makes it seem as though it's something special, but it's not. Evolutionarily gene theory has held that there are rational reasons why like-organisms protect each other. So humans thinking humans are special and worth protecting is simply an expression of something all species would also express, *if they could.*

Correct me if I am wrong.

anglophone comments on Jun 28, 2022:

So different states can now choose to discriminate against women. I call that obscene. Just imagine any state banning Judaism.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 29, 2022:

@FearlessFly So if he'd have said, "Imagine individual states banning gay marriage or interracial marriage" you wouldn't have said anything about a fallacy??

Correct me if I am wrong.

AnneWimsey comments on Jun 28, 2022:

So if you want to be in control of your body & life you need to move.......

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 29, 2022:

@duchessa1 Guess you're super lucky you never got raped by one of your relatives, or kidnapped and raped repeatedly in a basement, or had an intended pregnancy go wrong and need to terminate, or one of the other thousand scenarios where you'd need access to abortion services.

Correct me if I am wrong.

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 28, 2022:

Correct. What is your point?

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 29, 2022:

@duchessa1 What misinformation?

Greta Thunberg on Twitter: "If we delay emission cuts we “will miss a brief and rapidly closing ...

Reignmond comments on Feb 28, 2022:

Greta is just a little kid who has learned to parrot 1960s enviro-rhetoric. She knows nothing. Listening to her is like getting your education from memes. Go to the actual science.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 29, 2022:

@Flyingsaucesir This site, which says it gets its info from the USDOT annual report says people drive an average of 13,500 mi/yr. https://www.metromile.com/blog/average-miles-driven-per-year-by-americans/ The 19.6#CO2/g you quoted is for pure gas. Pump gas was almost all 10%, and now can be up to 20% ethanol which is apparently 24% worse on CO2 emissions. https://www.axios.com/local/des-moines/2022/02/16/ethanol-worse-than-gasoline-climate-change-report There are a few other things that didn't make too much sense like the amount of fuel needed vs tank size, but whatever. We agree air travel is bad, especially as a luxury item. But with all that web searching and number crunching there was still no mention of how much worse having a kid is for the environment. You could take a transatlantic fight every 10 days for the rest of your life and you'd still be more environmentally friendly than someone who had a single kid. And that's not even taking into account the fact that while your carbon footprint from the flights ends if you stop flying (which is certain when you're dead and gone) your carbon footprint from that child continues on until *their* death. Why is it so taboo to talk about the thing that's so much worse for the environment than everything else combined?

Greta Thunberg on Twitter: "If we delay emission cuts we “will miss a brief and rapidly closing ...

Reignmond comments on Feb 28, 2022:

Greta is just a little kid who has learned to parrot 1960s enviro-rhetoric. She knows nothing. Listening to her is like getting your education from memes. Go to the actual science.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 29, 2022:

@Flyingsaucesir I'm curious about that comparison 1 flight to the average drivers 6 months. How low is the average?? I burn over $2000 in gas in 6 months and I don't think tickets would be anywhere near that expensive and the cost of them is only partially fuel costs. All that aside, there is one thing WAY more beneficial to reducing carbon footprint. More beneficial than literally everything else you can do to reduce your footprint combined, and that's not have a kid. Suppose that's going to be a little more difficult now, but that's the best method and no one talks about it. So while people get mad at me for eating meat or driving a 600 hp supercharged Cobra that gets like 8mpg, I can always point to the fact that I'm already doing way more for the environment than most everyone out there. @Canndue From what I've read, I'm thoroughly convinced global warming cannot be turned around (and not because I know people can't/won't do what's necessary). It's because we've reached a point of warming now that the permafrost is thawing and releasing several times more carbon than humans are. Even if humans went carbon neutral, a positive feedback loop has begun that cannot be stopped. And don't even get me started on the catastrophic effects of said warming like the Thwaites and Pine Island glaciers that we're likely going to see in the next 2-5 years.

[joycearthur.

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 28, 2022:

Seems like abortion clinics should videotape the people picketing and lease their vestibule to a security company that video tapes their front door. Then "the security company" can make posters of the same women protesting and walking into the clinic for others to carry outside the clinic to expose ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 28, 2022:

@Redheadedgammy Yup. Fuck them all. They have no problem ruining other people's lives, let's see how they like it. Too bad that's going to be a plan we can't enact in most areas of the country now that abortion is going to be illegal all over the place.

It would seem to make sense that everyone that agrees to ban abortions that haven't had the Covid-19...

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 25, 2022:

Other than that legitimizes taking away bodily autonomy.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 28, 2022:

@Willow_Wisp Yes, but the outcomes aren't equivalent. One side has to take a shot that a lot of people lined up to get, and the other side is forced to carry a child to term and have a drastically higher risk of death as a result.

Lying assholes.

Willow_Wisp comments on Jun 28, 2022:

It's sufficient to impeach if the prosecutors aren't afraid of the politics involved.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 28, 2022:

Where exactly did they lie?

Every SCOTUS decision falls in the lap of Hillary and the DNC's abysmal failure against the worst ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 27, 2022:

Are you smoking crack? Worst opponent? He had the fourth and second highest vote totals in a presidential election in history, respectively. There are a tremendous amount of incomparably-stupid people in this country that still support that racist, piece of shit rapist. She didn't lose because she ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 28, 2022:

@Druvius I'm not blaming any group in particular; the only reason I said my piece about the Bernie Bros is because *you* brought them up. I'm blaming *all* people who have liberal ideals who were too stupid to realize that Clinton was more liberal than Trump. If the Bernie Bros are volunteering to wear that badge of dishonor, that's their choice, but I think there were plenty of others that defected from Clinton and voted third party. There was about 7 million non-Sanders, third-party votes cast, so I assume a number of them share some blame here too. Also, your assertion that a person who voted for a candidate is more to blame for their loss than a person who didn't or actively voted against them is about the dumbest fuckin' think I've ever heard. That's like a man beating his wife and blaming her for 'asking for it'. The candidates are what they are, you either vote for them or you don't, but it's disingenuous to refrain or vote against and say they didn't do enough for you in an attempt to remove all blame for their loss or the opponent's win. If they weren't a good enough candidate, fine, but they should own it instead of being a little bitch about it.

Every SCOTUS decision falls in the lap of Hillary and the DNC's abysmal failure against the worst ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 27, 2022:

Are you smoking crack? Worst opponent? He had the fourth and second highest vote totals in a presidential election in history, respectively. There are a tremendous amount of incomparably-stupid people in this country that still support that racist, piece of shit rapist. She didn't lose because she ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 27, 2022:

@Druvius Was she a perfect candidate? No. Was Trump "the worst opponent in modern history"? Obviously not. [Even if we were to entrainment that notion the fact that he beat her means, by default, *she* was the worst opponent in modern history.] That aside, the olive branch was preventing Trump from winning. If they were too fucking entitled to recognize that and were willing to cut off their nose to spite their face, then this is what we all get. Bernie supporters who are women or have loved ones who are women are going to suffer just as much as the rest of us. The Republicans know the score and know how to put aside their pettiness to win. The shit they said about each other and did to each other in the GOP primaries was unbelievable, but when it finally got to the point that they could no longer stop Trump, what did they do? They all fucking endorsed him, lined up, lined up their supporters, and got him elected. And what did that selflessness get them? Pretty much everything they wanted or would have done themselves had they won. They got their ridiculous tax breaks, their horrendously destructive deregulation, more judges than I care to remember, and the big one, an overwhelming majority on the Supreme Court for the next decade or two. A court system so powerful and so lopsided they're able to expand gun rights during an unprecedented rash of mass shootings and demolish women's rights all while democrats control the Executive Branch, the House AND the Senate. How does that feel Bernie Bros? Was the temper tantrum worth it? The real reason Trump won: Democrats are idealistic and Republicans are pragmatic. The fracturing of the parties deepens on the left and disappears on the right on election day. Perfect example: it's been over 2,000 days since that election and we're *still* arguing about Bernie/Hillary while the Republicans already successfully turned women into second class citizens and Bernie supporters *still* don't see the problem with turning their nose up at the 'lesser of two evils' principle. We may only have an election or two left before we're no longer a democracy. Will that price be worth it to the Bernie Bros, too?

I was banned for 7 days from fuckbook for a post where I made reference to killing a duck on the ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 27, 2022:

Delete your Facebook.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 27, 2022:

@FvckY0u I'm happy for you. Deleting that shit out of my life was one of the best things I've ever done.

The RCC Supreme court shocked the entire western word, Vote in November to expand the court to 13 ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 26, 2022:

How exactly is this up for a vote in November??

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 27, 2022:

@Redheadedgammy I fear that if what we'd seen so far before the last election wasn't enough to get them off the sidelines, nothing we've seen since we'll be either. You're taking about a group of people so fantastically disillusioned, disenfranchised, and disinterested that there's likely nothing that can move them. There might be a fringe few potentially-single-issue voters that you could find with something like a national referendum on the legality of marijuana, but things like that are really niche *and* require getting oddities on the ballot. I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. But my tiny brain can't put the pieces together in a way that makes sense that challenges what I've seen and expect to see based on that. I think we should 'get out the vote' as much as we can this November and see where we're at. If it's not a landslide, we're done.

I was banned for 7 days from fuckbook for a post where I made reference to killing a duck on the ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 27, 2022:

Delete your Facebook.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 27, 2022:

@FvckY0u There you go! Congratulations! How do you feel? A weight has been listed llifted, no?

Does anyone else think the Court overriding Row v Wade is just distraction to get people to forget ...

TheInterlooper comments on Jun 27, 2022:

I'll add it to the list of Blue Anon conspiracy theories.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 27, 2022:

Distraction has been an oft used tactic in politics since probably the beginning of politicking. To simply ask if that may be the reason for a vote that the conservative chief justice couldn't even get on board with its not unreasonable. It's wrong, in my opinion, as conservatives have been diligently working toward this goal for 50 years, but not a crazy conspiracy theory. Furthermore, Republicans are constantly doing reprehensible shit that would benefit from some distraction, so the time they finally overturned Roe was bound to line up with something. Finally, that you would seemingly put this question on par with basement-less pizza parlor basement pedophile sex rings and Jewish space lasers tells everyone here how profoundly stupid you are.

The RCC Supreme court shocked the entire western word, Vote in November to expand the court to 13 ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 26, 2022:

How exactly is this up for a vote in November??

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 27, 2022:

@Redheadedgammy Honestly, a good chunk of this country has been fed so much garbage they don't even believe in facts anymore. How can you reason with someone that doesn't believe there's an objective truth to things? They think and talk in terms of *my* logic and *your* logic, "alternative facts", and conspiracy theories that are disturbingly crazy. There was a representative that led a group of anti-American insurrectionists around the Capital, blamed forest fires on Jewish Space Lasers, and still supports the Trump administration, among a million other insane things, yet still won her primary. They had a chance to run someone people billed as 'Marjorie, but with a brain: all of the conservative, none of the crazy' or any of 4 other challengers, and they thought, "Nope, I need me some more MTG!" There are a couple of independent organizations that measure the health of democracies around the globe that have already downgraded the United States from its status of 'full democracy'. I really hope something I can't currently theorize will happen to reverse this trend, but as it stands, I don't know how we don't fall under authoritarian rule in the next decade or so. As for something *we* can do? I'm all ears. I don't know how to talk to people that don't believe in facts. I have them in my own family, and I tried my hardest. I had to disown them, that's how bad it is and how much they live in an alternate reality. I don't know how you combat that.

The RCC Supreme court shocked the entire western word, Vote in November to expand the court to 13 ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 26, 2022:

How exactly is this up for a vote in November??

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@Redheadedgammy I wouldn't count on it. That's classic Republican playbook stuff. They all feign like they're offended or fed up, ready to leave the party. Hell, even Mitch McConnell, the most evil, power-hungry, pragmatic fucker in the country pretended like he was ready to turn his back on the leader of the party. But in typical fashion they all line right up and vote the party and protect their own. You're talking about people that knowingly and willingly voted for him [sometimes twice] when it was well known he was a predator, that he wouldn't commit to a peaceful transfer of power, when he routinely praised and admired dictators all around the world. Trust me, no one wants to see all Republicans fail. Fuck, I want them all to die, but y'all are seeing chickens where there's actually only a few small eggs.

The RCC Supreme court shocked the entire western word, Vote in November to expand the court to 13 ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 26, 2022:

How exactly is this up for a vote in November??

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@Redheadedgammy So not November... We're taking about several election cycles here. This November if Democrats win all the seats in states won by Biden and Republicans win all the seats in states won by Trump they will only extend their majority to 52-48. Believe me, I want there to be a giant pink and blue wave to wash every last disgusting fucking Republican out of office everywhere.

Might as well enroll him/her/them in paramilitary training while we're at it.

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 26, 2022:

We're about to have a whole ton of extra kids no one wants, so maybe they're counting on one problem solving the other?

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@Flyingsaucesir I mean, abortion bans mean there will likely be more children. And our nation's gun policies result in thousands of children dying from gun violence every year (now the leading cause of death for children in the US). They may not be intending for those two things to interact, but they are both still facts...

Slave Labor Seeing lots of posts about Roe v Wade saying, “I’m so horrified with what this ...

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 26, 2022:

Even if there shouldn't be, of course there's a difference to people when the bad thing affects them personally. Is that guy a fuckin' idiot? Selfishness has been bred into humans since the beginnings of life itself, and this guy thinks people are just going to magically be no more upset over the ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@William_Mary It's okay, just because you can't comprehend doesn't really mean anything when trying to gauge whether the general public will understand.

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

HippieChick58 comments on Jun 25, 2022:

I expect more women to try to get IUDs. My youngest just had a baby and will be getting an IUD placed as soon as possible. I told my daughters ages ago to protect themselves, and they got on the pill or other birth control as soon as they wanted. The only reason I knew was because I had to take them...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@MsKathleen It's not only by virtue of classifying it as murder, per se. My original point is that they will ban it. And Missouri is already trying. I think it's naive to think that something they're already attempting to accomplish will never happen in any of the reddest states in this country. You think they're all going to just *stop* trying to ban those birth control measures which they believe kills a fetus? What on Earth could make you think that? I'm honestly asking. What is making you think they'll stop trying to do what they're currently, actively trying to do? They've only been emboldened by the removal of Roe, the single greatest impediment to their goals, ever.

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

Cast1es comments on Jun 25, 2022:

I've read that the estimated cost of raising a child in today's culture is a quarter of a million dollars , that women earn $..82 for each dollar a man earns , and even with DNA , men still get a woman pregnant , and simply walk away ,. Then they wonder why some are aborted ? ? ?

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@itsmeagain It's not so much that it *should* die out than that it doesn't have any particularly good reason to continue. Humans are selfish, awful creatures who lead a pointless existence of destruction, greed, and suffering who make almost everything worse for almost ever other living thing on the planet.

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

itsmeagain comments on Jun 25, 2022:

No, everyone is/was already on birth control. Sadly, women have historically been saddled with the responsibility of trying to prevent pregnancies via the use of dangerous hormones or barbaric implanted devices, only to be be blamed when such fallible devices fail, and then stigmatized when ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@itsmeagain Now. Kind of. Women still have infinitely more power than men because men have always had and continue to have zero power. Most women in most situations still have the potential or possibility to abort (for now). But even when they don't, having the responsibility is a godsend when you have no power. Again, you probably can't see that because you've always had the power.

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

Cast1es comments on Jun 25, 2022:

I've read that the estimated cost of raising a child in today's culture is a quarter of a million dollars , that women earn $..82 for each dollar a man earns , and even with DNA , men still get a woman pregnant , and simply walk away ,. Then they wonder why some are aborted ? ? ?

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@itsmeagain Personally, I think all people who willingly have children are selfish. I think we totally agree on all this. I'm making a point about what is, even though it shouldn't be, a luxury item. It could be argued that it's bad for mankind for *only* rich people to be able to have children. This is not my point of view, however, as I think all people should stop reproducing until mankind dies out.

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

itsmeagain comments on Jun 25, 2022:

No, everyone is/was already on birth control. Sadly, women have historically been saddled with the responsibility of trying to prevent pregnancies via the use of dangerous hormones or barbaric implanted devices, only to be be blamed when such fallible devices fail, and then stigmatized when ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@itsmeagain It's not about blood pressure, it inactivates the biological method in which the sperm is able to enter an egg. But you're right, there are hurdles of hypotension and such that are the reason we don't have it yet. Anyway, I was just pointing out that "having all the responsibility" isn't really a negative. You just can't see it because you also have the sole power to abort and the sole power to relinquish parental rights and responsibilities. If you were in the same boat as men on that, you'd probably be ecstatic you have such high efficacy, non-surgical birth control methods available to you.

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

MerlinZap comments on Jun 25, 2022:

Ladies, the time if finally here. You are just going to have to stop fucking republicans.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

That's an excellent idea. I told the story here before where I accidentally fucked a Republican. 😝

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

Cast1es comments on Jun 25, 2022:

I've read that the estimated cost of raising a child in today's culture is a quarter of a million dollars , that women earn $..82 for each dollar a man earns , and even with DNA , men still get a woman pregnant , and simply walk away ,. Then they wonder why some are aborted ? ? ?

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@itsmeagain Not sure if that's sarcasm... Because you could say the same thing about abortions, or health care, or housing, or healthy nutritious food. Those things *shouldn't* be, but they are, at least in the US...

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

HippieChick58 comments on Jun 25, 2022:

I expect more women to try to get IUDs. My youngest just had a baby and will be getting an IUD placed as soon as possible. I told my daughters ages ago to protect themselves, and they got on the pill or other birth control as soon as they wanted. The only reason I knew was because I had to take them...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@MsKathleen "The IUD changes the lining of the uterus, preventing implantation should fertilization occur." A lot of the laws we see on the books right now were attempts to restrict access to abortion while either trying to get around Roe and/or not inflame public opinion. The time for those things is over. They have the court, and will likely keep it for at least a decade. Now we're going to see laws that classify life beginning at conception. Anything that interferes with that will likely constitute murder, not even manslaughter. Not sure how something that would constitute murder would remain legal. We are not taking about rational people. Other countries that have been taken over by religious conservatives have zero-exception bans. There was a woman in Malta this week that had a complication with her pregnancy and could have died if she hadn't had the means and opportunity to travel out of the country that has a zero-exception ban to get an abortion. Texas *already* has provisions to prevent/punish women from traveling elsewhere to get abortions, and that's only needed for the women that have the means and opportunity. As more states pass abortion bans, and the bans get more strict, there are going to be cities so deep in Trump country that it will be damn near impossible for almost any woman to obtain an abortion without potentially facing serious penalties, including severe prison sentences. It is clear to me that people do not understand what they're dealing with yet. People have been telling me for decades that, "Republicans won't actually, and don't actually want to ban abortion, they just want to perpetually use it as a way to garner votes. If they ban abortion, they'll lose that, so why would they ever go through with it?" I told them they were wrong and I was obviously 100% correct. Some of those same people said the same thing about Democrats, that they won't ever enshrine abortion rights into law because then they couldn't use that bogeyman to scare up votes either. That one I'm not sure about, because I still hold out hope that Democrats want to help people and aren't evil to the core like Republicans, but we may have the chance to find out this November provided women are upset enough about being treated like second-class citizens. So what it is that makes you think there aren't states so red that they will classify life at conception or classify abortion as murder? Before you answer, know that Louisiana is already working on it... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/us/louisiana-abortion-bill-homicide.html And Missouri already took a shot at Plan B and IUDs... https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2022/05/19/some-states-already-are-targeting-birth-control Roe was only the BEGINNING.

USA trains troops in warfare but can't train them to keep their legs together or penises out of ...

p-nullifidian comments on Jun 25, 2022:

Do you seriously believe your comment is humorous? And do you believe that any amount of military training is sufficient to overcome the second most powerful biological drive? And when it comes to females who serve in uniform as I did, how do you think your advice that “girls” should keep their ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

@FrayedBear Things I wish for you and people like you: 1. One or more of your family members gets raped and impregnated by another of your family members and is forced to carry that baby to term. 2. One of your family members is forced to carry a baby they don't want and it kills them. 3. One of your family members is forced to carry to term an anencephalic fetus. 4. One of your family members gets raped and impregnated by a stranger, is forced to carry it to term, and then is sued by the rapist who wins shared custody. 5. All of the women you know find out what a disgusting piece of shit you are and they all disown you and never talk to you again.

USA trains troops in warfare but can't train them to keep their legs together or penises out of ...

p-nullifidian comments on Jun 25, 2022:

Do you seriously believe your comment is humorous? And do you believe that any amount of military training is sufficient to overcome the second most powerful biological drive? And when it comes to females who serve in uniform as I did, how do you think your advice that “girls” should keep their ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 26, 2022:

He's a vile motherfucker when it comes to abortion. Believes some of the most ridiculous, offensive, and stupid shit imaginable.

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

HippieChick58 comments on Jun 25, 2022:

I expect more women to try to get IUDs. My youngest just had a baby and will be getting an IUD placed as soon as possible. I told my daughters ages ago to protect themselves, and they got on the pill or other birth control as soon as they wanted. The only reason I knew was because I had to take them...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 25, 2022:

@MsKathleen For sure. If they even allow it at all. I bet most red states will ban IUDs at minimum.

It would seem to make sense that everyone that agrees to ban abortions that haven't had the Covid-19...

FvckY0u comments on Jun 25, 2022:

logic, reason and common sense. All things that conservatives lack not to mention many other noble traits such as empathy, compassion, understanding. I could go on and on. Like the conservative that ran over a woman at the anti abortion rally in Cedar Rapids, IA. He's all about the sanctity ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 25, 2022:

@FvckY0u I would love it. I already vote for what women would be voting for if they held their rights in higher esteem.

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

itsmeagain comments on Jun 25, 2022:

No, everyone is/was already on birth control. Sadly, women have historically been saddled with the responsibility of trying to prevent pregnancies via the use of dangerous hormones or barbaric implanted devices, only to be be blamed when such fallible devices fail, and then stigmatized when ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 25, 2022:

@itsmeagain Actually it's not. There is promise for Calcium Channel Blockers being a hormone-free male pill. Everyone is an individual, but they get shit they want by voting as a bloc. Conservative Christians apparently know that better than women. It's why they held their noses and voted for that pile of shit rapist... so they could successfully take all women's rights away. Women are a majority. They could have anything they wanted if women's rights was a higher priority for women...

It would seem to make sense that everyone that agrees to ban abortions that haven't had the Covid-19...

FvckY0u comments on Jun 25, 2022:

logic, reason and common sense. All things that conservatives lack not to mention many other noble traits such as empathy, compassion, understanding. I could go on and on. Like the conservative that ran over a woman at the anti abortion rally in Cedar Rapids, IA. He's all about the sanctity ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 25, 2022:

@FvckY0u The only way that could happen is if women collectively stand up for their rights. They didn't do it in '16 when anyone with half a brain could have seen abortion was on the ballot, so I'm not sure why they'd do it now.

It would seem to make sense that everyone that agrees to ban abortions that haven't had the Covid-19...

FvckY0u comments on Jun 25, 2022:

logic, reason and common sense. All things that conservatives lack not to mention many other noble traits such as empathy, compassion, understanding. I could go on and on. Like the conservative that ran over a woman at the anti abortion rally in Cedar Rapids, IA. He's all about the sanctity ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 25, 2022:

How are they going to have their rights stripped away?

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

BitFlipper comments on Jun 25, 2022:

I don't think any drug company investments can be isolated down to the particular drug they produce. Perhaps drug companies that make abortifacient medications.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 25, 2022:

Those will likely be banned in half the country...

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

Cast1es comments on Jun 25, 2022:

I've read that the estimated cost of raising a child in today's culture is a quarter of a million dollars , that women earn $..82 for each dollar a man earns , and even with DNA , men still get a woman pregnant , and simply walk away ,. Then they wonder why some are aborted ? ? ?

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 25, 2022:

There are a million good reasons to abort a fetus and exactly zero good reasons to force a woman to carry to term one she doesn't want. That's why there are abortions.

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

itsmeagain comments on Jun 25, 2022:

No, everyone is/was already on birth control. Sadly, women have historically been saddled with the responsibility of trying to prevent pregnancies via the use of dangerous hormones or barbaric implanted devices, only to be be blamed when such fallible devices fail, and then stigmatized when ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 25, 2022:

Or how about the male pill? As shitty as it sounds, women did [operative word being in past tense] have a lot of control. They had a ton of higher efficacy birth control measures at their disposal and 100% control over whether or not to have an abortion in most situations. I wish I had that. Women also have the ability to vote as a bloc and get literally any legislation they could possibly want passed, but I doubt they collectively care enough about their own rights and autonomy to do it, though I hope I'm wrong. I will continue to vote for women's rights just like I always have and it would be great if all the women would like to join me every election.

Will this latest Supreme Court decision cause birth control stocks to increase substantially?

HippieChick58 comments on Jun 25, 2022:

I expect more women to try to get IUDs. My youngest just had a baby and will be getting an IUD placed as soon as possible. I told my daughters ages ago to protect themselves, and they got on the pill or other birth control as soon as they wanted. The only reason I knew was because I had to take them...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 25, 2022:

I think certain birth control measures are already illegal in several states. Oklahoma had a crazy strict law ready to go that bans all reproductive health medications to be mailed into the state and and meds within the state require an in-person medical consultation. What we really need to worry about is the maternity prisons they're going to need to build to lock up all the forced mothers who refuse to stop drinking or smoking.

"You don't have to die to go to the Kingdom of God.

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 24, 2022:

Love it? Don't know how many people will even watch it; it is, after all, a video link from an apologist. That's like trusting a tax plan from a Republican or gun control legislation written by a lobbyist for the NRA. 😆

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 25, 2022:

@skado He might be, don't know, and no interest in finding out. You clearly are.

"You don't have to die to go to the Kingdom of God.

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 24, 2022:

Love it? Don't know how many people will even watch it; it is, after all, a video link from an apologist. That's like trusting a tax plan from a Republican or gun control legislation written by a lobbyist for the NRA. 😆

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 24, 2022:

@skado Don't clutch those pearls too hard, you'll break them.

"You don't have to die to go to the Kingdom of God.

St-Sinner comments on Jun 24, 2022:

To me these people and their discussions do no good to humanity, and in fact is it is useless to people. The world does not need the mindfulness and deep philosophy discussions. The world is suffering from hunger, disease, violence every single day much of it comes from faith. They want to look ...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 24, 2022:

@skado 1. Material poverty? Thich Nhat Hanh's net worth was $1.7 million. David Steindl-Rast is worth somewhere between $1 and $10 million. Even if it's not used for anything other than a safety net, that alone is one of the biggest stressors and sources of suffering they couldn't experience. Not only that, but it also means that they took these millions of dollars, and all the money they spent throughout their lives, from the people they claim to have been helping. I'm calling bullshit on your 'best examples' claim. Next you're going to tell me Mother Teresa wasn't an evil, greedy cuntbag. https://wepublishnews.com/entertainment/thich-nhat-hanh-net-worth-at-the-time-of-his-death https://buzzlearn.com/david-steindl-rast/ 2. You're whole avoidable suffering nonsense is one giant catch-22 and senseless. If it arises from your subconscious then it's unavoidable. Problem is, EVERYTHING arises from your subconscious, so it's always all unavoidable.

Just for fun. If you were the only person on Earth what would you do?

CourtJester comments on Jun 22, 2022:

I have enough guns and ammo to last several life times if all I had to do was hunt and the Marines taught me survival skills. Build cover and a meat smoker near water and explore the surrounding area and chill. Probably have finding an abandoned liquor store high on the list.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 24, 2022:

@CourtJester From the USDA no less... Also, you really want to live longer than 5 years as the only person on the planet?

Just for fun. If you were the only person on Earth what would you do?

CourtJester comments on Jun 22, 2022:

I have enough guns and ammo to last several life times if all I had to do was hunt and the Marines taught me survival skills. Build cover and a meat smoker near water and explore the surrounding area and chill. Probably have finding an abandoned liquor store high on the list.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 23, 2022:

If you were the only human on Earth there'd be enough canned and preserved food and pure drinking water for a million lifetimes. Also, *all* liquor stores would be abandoned...

Just for fun. If you were the only person on Earth what would you do?

AnneWimsey comments on Jun 22, 2022:

Collect several can openers, for starters

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 23, 2022:

Have you seen the concrete trick?? https://youtu.be/lhT7VNRFkx4

Why 'Good Guys With Guns' Fail to Stop Mass Shootings | Time

CourtJester comments on Jun 21, 2022:

https://m.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/good-guy-gun-stopped-bad-guy-gun/ https://www.heritage.org/firearms/commentary/new-cases-armed-citizens-stopping-criminals-february

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 22, 2022:

@phxbillcee He is a massive fucking idiot. That article he posted that found 11 times a good guy with a gun stopped a bad guy had to dig all the way back to incidents in 2006 and 2007. So only 11 times over the course of 16 years (less than once a year for the Republicans that don't know how to divide) while there have already been 250 mass shootings in the US since the start of 2022 to June 8th. Again, for stupid Republicans that can't do math, that puts us on track for 581 mass shootings this year and 0.7 good guy interventions per year. So 1 out of every 830 mass shootings we can expect a good guy with a gun to actually help the situation? That sounds amazing! We better not look into any of the data where good guys with guns made a situation worse, that might completely derail how good those stats look. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/02/mass-shootings-in-2022/

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Castlepaloma comments on Jun 22, 2022:

Politics, probably the greatest waste of time and money on earth.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 22, 2022:

*cough* Religion

A simple question by an ordinary person and great answers by ordinary people.

ChestRockfield comments on Jun 20, 2022:

I assume most of the rest of the world hates the US, even if they're in a bad enough situation where they'd want to live here. Hell each half of America hates the other half.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 20, 2022:

@Ryo1 I mean, any individual can seem okay in a given situation, but there are huge swaths of the American public that don't believe in truth or facts. You cannot reason with someone like that. I don't think we'll be a democracy anymore within the next few electing cycles. Several independent international organizations that track the health of democracies around the globe have already downgraded the US and no longer consider us a [full] democracy. There are a bunch of people who support the attempted coup that are running for Secretaries of State so that they can be in place if Trump loses again. The only thing that may prevent it is if Trump dies and the Right doesn't find another cult leader (but that's unlikely).

Why do religions, claiming high ideals, always seem to end by being divisive ?

Matias comments on Jun 18, 2022:

Are religions especially divisive? No. At least not in modern societies. The most salient and dangerous separations and segregations we see in the US or in other Western countries have nothing to do with religions, but with politics and ideology. There is a healthy competition between hundreds...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 19, 2022:

@Matias @Fernapple And not for nothing, but being a member of such an exclusive, special religion that your religion/congregation is the only one in the world that... Also, you're still missing the point. The leader or the religion in general doesn't need to tell the congregant that they are special or important in any way. Just by virtue of passively claiming that they have the 'correct god', the ear of the lord, the only true path to salvation, etc. is pretty entitling and egocentric.

One of the fundamental misconceptions many atheists have is that they consider religion to be ...

DenoPenno comments on Jun 16, 2022:

I do not need any of the functions of religions and consider myself to be without gods.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 19, 2022:

@skado Snore. An equivocation fallacy? No wonder everyone gets sick of talking to you.

One of the fundamental misconceptions many atheists have is that they consider religion to be ...

DenoPenno comments on Jun 16, 2022:

I do not need any of the functions of religions and consider myself to be without gods.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 18, 2022:

@skado I didn't mention all people. "I'm not talking about what you assume was beneficial in the past. I'm taking about right now how some people *need* religion. Not how they benefit from it, not how they're better off with it than without, how they *NEED* it." You haven't presented any evidence that anyone NEEDS religion. And no, no one *needs* to reproduce. The human race would die off, sure, but the humans that are living would technically be completely unaffected if they all individually decided not to reproduce (or there was some natural phenomenon that prevented reproduction).

One of the fundamental misconceptions many atheists have is that they consider religion to be ...

DenoPenno comments on Jun 16, 2022:

I do not need any of the functions of religions and consider myself to be without gods.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 18, 2022:

@skado While that would certainly be a criterion that would undeniably certify something as a need, I don't feel the need to box myself in at this point. I think evidence excluding something from being a need is all that I need to present here. There are humans that don't have, use, or possibly even know about religion (just as there are humans that don't have or possibly even know about sex), thus it is not a human need.

Why do religions, claiming high ideals, always seem to end by being divisive ?

Matias comments on Jun 18, 2022:

Are religions especially divisive? No. At least not in modern societies. The most salient and dangerous separations and segregations we see in the US or in other Western countries have nothing to do with religions, but with politics and ideology. There is a healthy competition between hundreds...

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 18, 2022:

@Matias I'm sure his response is forthcoming and will be thorough, but I'd like to quickly interject that you're using a straw man fallacy here. He didn't say religion is the root cause or origin of narcissism, but rather that it is their main product, so showing there is some other origin for it doesn't reflect on his OP one iota. Maybe spend some of your religion fanboy reading time on a logic textbook and *you'll* learn something.

One of the fundamental misconceptions many atheists have is that they consider religion to be ...

DenoPenno comments on Jun 16, 2022:

I do not need any of the functions of religions and consider myself to be without gods.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 18, 2022:

@skado Correct. I don't *need* sex. There are people who live their entire lives without sex. I assume there are even people who live their entire multiple-decades-long lives without even knowing about sex. Thus, it is obviously not a NEED (and for the same reasons, neither is religion). And we certainly don't treat it as a need in the US either as we prosecute the sale of it almost everywhere. Seems like 5 years wasn't enough time to work through semantics...

One of the fundamental misconceptions many atheists have is that they consider religion to be ...

DenoPenno comments on Jun 16, 2022:

I do not need any of the functions of religions and consider myself to be without gods.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 17, 2022:

@skado You claimed you learned how people NEED religion after 6 years of daily study. Now you're saying that the readings you wanted to recommend to me so I could learn it too *don't* say what you were suggesting. Which is it?

One of the fundamental misconceptions many atheists have is that they consider religion to be ...

DenoPenno comments on Jun 16, 2022:

I do not need any of the functions of religions and consider myself to be without gods.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 17, 2022:

@skado You're suggesting that this reading contains within it information that proves people would literally die simply from a lack of religion?

One of the fundamental misconceptions many atheists have is that they consider religion to be ...

DenoPenno comments on Jun 16, 2022:

I do not need any of the functions of religions and consider myself to be without gods.

ChestRockfield replies on Jun 16, 2022:

@skado I'm not talking about what you assume was beneficial in the past. I'm taking about right now how some people *need* religion. Not how they benefit from it, not how they're better off with it than without, how they *NEED* it.