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So guys..what do you like to do for dates? Besides getting laid lol. Bowling? Arcade center? Bars?...
DangerDave comments on Jan 11, 2018:
"Dates" for me tend to be initial meetings concerning which worlds we plan to explore and which characters we create to visit them. Since my social interactions usually revolve around my art, we usually jump from there to realizing them in preparation, photography and performance. Other "dates" are bonuses. We all have to eat sometime...as well as enjoy the "real world" in other ways. Of course the real bonus is when we're then discussing where we'll visit next.
To my gamers. I am looking for a good quality gaming pc,yet not crazy expensive ...what should I ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 11, 2018:
There are several very inexpensive ones through WalMart. I compared a lot of other sources but finally decided on an iBuypower for less than $500. The components alone were worth twice the ticket price...I just wouldn't try rolling it down a flight of stairs! The upgrade was for an 8 year old eMachine also from Walmart, same great components and weird spelling but sadly an integrated 3.0 processor. Hey, Fallout 4 was out. I had to do something!
Well, I'm new here :) so, hello. Would anyone care to share how they came across Agnostic.com? I saw...
DangerDave comments on Jan 11, 2018:
Hi there! Seems FB is unanimous so far!
Rush: Anthems to Antitheism
DangerDave comments on Jan 11, 2018:
Have you ever been ***DRIVEN***?!? I have in many ways, some close to the guys on the bikes. https://youtu.be/5jPondwDDOE
If God was a real being, how would you see him as being?
DangerDave comments on Jan 11, 2018:
He'd be a guy? And only one? We've had several making a mess of the world lately...or at least their followers...in my eyes, the same really. My favorite "god theory" is pantheism. You can't see god because you're a part of god...everything. Only theories and creative sources but of no daily concern to me.
Rush: Anthems to Antitheism
DangerDave comments on Jan 11, 2018:
***Xanadu***. Leave it to me to start with their fantasy! But to consider if anyone actually found a fount of youth? They did... https://youtu.be/s0JD6Toh-EY
Ladies, do you think our questions and posts are particularly prone to receiving long-winded ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 10, 2018:
I'm no lady but I'm guilty. Some much too "elaborated", some explained as needed, some tangents I tend to go off on...all just more or less elaborate greetings.
Do you play a musical instrument?
DangerDave comments on Jan 10, 2018:
Yes, a musician and an artistry or a few more. Here's some of my favorites of mine and other artists. Add some of your own here, there or anywhere! https://agnostic.com/discussion/13742/home-the-creative-thinkers-gallerie Here's one of my church songs... https://youtu.be/iMSQW3B-N0I
Who was the first band you fell in love with?
DangerDave comments on Jan 10, 2018:
My grandad's (often gospel) bluegrass bands. I was very little then so I couldn't say which.
A de-baptism ceremony? In another forum I frequent, a guy talked about a ceremony his atheist wife ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 10, 2018:
If it works, do it. I'd just want to have a lengthy talk with anyone asking for it. That's from an agnostic priest of spiritual humanism's view point, someone ordained for such activities These "accolades" (my three ordinations were all free) could be an added such psychological "security blanket" for the hesitant unbeliever. Still, to ever suggest it anyone? Nope. But maybe dudeism, my choice over pastafarianism. Still, I wouldn't mind if they preferred pasta.
What melts your heathen hearts?
DangerDave comments on Jan 10, 2018:
When they just "get it". Here's Nicoletta, one of my youngest Treasures ever. While she brought voice, dance and gymnastics to the table drama was new to her. Here's what I believe is the first take...the "script" is all her own. https://youtu.be/CmTl844uS4s This could get ugly...just very slowly...hand over your candy. o.O
Smokers?
DangerDave comments on Jan 10, 2018:
DON'T SMOKE...though I do now. Embarrassing...but at least its no longer Jack and cocaine. My five year "quit" in over 40 years a smoker started as a final appeasement of my 3rd fiance. We split and I stayed quit until I started working with a smoker I toured with in my van. She "processed" filtered cigarettes of various flavors that smelled great! "Let me hit that" went to "roll me one" in no time and since I've been hooked again. But the cost in money, health...***IF YOU DON'T SMOKE, DON'T START*** I'm just going to have to do it for me, like I did the Jack and cocaine.
Sapiosexuals
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
I'm 100% sapiosexual...the more my "loves" can stimulate my creativity and, better still, their own in helping create the characters we portray. Still, I've worked with some charming ones who weren't nearly so smart as just outrageously talented. Intelligence is one of many factors for me, but of prime importance.
Does appearance outweigh knowledge?
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
Why not, but only if the person is sidestepping me, after I ask them if they'd care to join me. If the person is there with me they know they'll get home, especially since my 17 years of designated driving now. Whether for appearance, intelligence or because they have the best snacks there's no need to ditch a friend for them.
Any fellow musicians out there?
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
The 2nd to ask today! Yes, a musician and an artistry or a few more. Here's some of my favorites of mine and other artists. Add some of your own here, there or anywhere! https://agnostic.com/discussion/13742/home-the-creative-thinkers-gallerie
Other than religion, in what way are you a minority where you live?
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
Easy. As an artist. Even among other artists, as most would agree!
It seems as though conservatism has morphed into 'anti-liberalism' over the past few years. Many ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
It is more rampant today, indeed. Still, where I grew up there were literally hundreds of tiny farm towns with a single church nearby. I wouldn't want to be near any, daylight or darkness, much less get in any serious conversation about anything. Politically, they are much more powerful (and scarier!) these days but you can't deny these theists vote!
There is too much hate in the world. It seems like any time someone holds a different view hate is ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
Thank you for your service! The "warrior spirit" didn't affect me as it did many in my family, many who were spec ops. I'll admire each for their parts in wars and conflicts as far back as WWI and sadly don't remember the tales of their fathers and grandfathers. You are an essential part of the biggest stick we have to carry...still... If you don't like guns, don't get given one either. Our homeless vets are a testament to that fact. Sadly, too many want guns for the "wrong" (my own moral assessment) reasons. Though countless young men have met their deaths for deity, king, country, notoriety, kill thrill,...they've had their place in our societies since tribal times. I just don't want to be in a city where a "thrill kill" gunner is living...again. Guns can be a tough subject but in all other ways I am in TOTAL AGREEMENT! I'm happy to have had to revise my "golden rules" since I've been here: *do unto as THEY would have you.* I practiced it, I just didn't verbalize it correctly. You're in good company. Now its time for another bowl.
Hi everyone! Thanks for accepting my membership, I'm looking forward to joining in some discussions ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
I don't know how you'll feel about them but I wish we had these in more US cities... http://www.secularism.org.uk/join-an-affiliated-group.html
Any fellow musicians/free thinkers out there?
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
Yes on both counts! Here is...a gallery with some of my stuff and commentary on some of my favorite arts and artists. Toss in some of your own! https://agnostic.com/discussion/13742/home-the-creative-thinkers-gallerie and...it depends on the music. I can block out lyrics...just glad I didn't these... https://youtu.be/IxhxKdnjGA8
Nature and 'spirituality'
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
'Spiritual' has a lot of meanings for me. Personally, I'm most spiritual in my "own space" in many ways. House, room, chair, bed. I meditate for "oneness" in one minute intervals as needed in dealing with the day, then often at bed time. Since these produce the greater creative *sparks* over those I meditate for specifically, that's a last resort on a deadline. The spiritual experience of nature is real, moreso for me because I usually have an instrument when strolling the parks, whether it was an event or not.
SpaceX & Zuma
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
As long as we all get frogs that rotate and spit balls we should be ok.
Totally unrelated but ... What sort of internet speed is normal/average where you live?
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
"normal/average" in Las Vegas for top residential providers' basic service is 100 mbps. Where I'm staying it usually approaches that...when its not in "dial up speeds" or "no, no net for you!" modes.
The Dandy Warhols - Godless - YouTube
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
What I meant by "let's see" was simply "let's see the band"! (Though you may know this already, if paste the link in the body of a post, comment or reply, you get...) https://youtu.be/LduipA_XUJ8?list=PLUTsAwHWFJpt7Ew_But9hBRdlQhlfpbjc
The Dandy Warhols - Godless - YouTube
DangerDave comments on Jan 9, 2018:
Oops! didn't mean to delete the comment...just the reply. Probably not the best thing to try when I first get up...anyway, I did copy the reply though! @Sadoi I listened but couldn't make out the lyrics...and I've yet to search them. Musically, they remind me of Smashing Pumpkins, Roxy Music..."alternative adult contemporary" styles I like...but wild about the hula technique? nah...but I think is a cool "step out of the box" for the musicians to do that. Now here's hula I'm wild about... https://youtu.be/NzZHICqbpuU
Opinion, please....
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
...at least I'D be ancient history. I really don't have time for those who get upset over what I think may be...maybe...but Giorgio A. Tsoukalos is definitely authoritative but hardly unbiased expert. I couldn't even tell you the religions of the last dozen women I've dated or worked with, even as they at times worked in "theoretical theologies". There are always better and easier conflicts to resolve. Like whether to wear the black or red. The truly important stuff.
Do you know of many open atheist singers? Who do you listen to?
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
I've started a virtual shrine here to Frank Zappa's music. Youtube videos abound of his philosophies, including a congressional hearing on censorship. You may hate the music but I think you'll love the man! https://agnostic.com/discussion/13226/frank-zappa-my-favorite-musical-atheist
How do you cope with the fact that any day you will die and that will be the end?
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
I don't even consider it, though perhaps I should more sometimes. Yes, by all means "bucket list"! I've just lately been in a procrastination stage. Smelling the roses. Hanging out probably too much on A.com. Its been educational and therapeutic though. Its definitely not time wasted.
HOME:::ThE cReAtIvE tHiNkErS gAlLeRiE
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
Some of my naughty bits...no, not my naughty bits...those of others though...and you could say as skits...nevermind... https://davedebard.tumblr.com/
Will you help me settle this debate with my friend: can a Christian be a freethinker?
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
If you'll take a stroll through my gallery? I have two perspectives. One is the one I grew up in. Everyone is a freethinker...except faith..."accept faith son...it'll be much better." This was in one of many rebel flag flying neighborhoods, when the only identifications with it were rebellion and being southern in my mind, but most others not so. Affiliated or not, if you were there you were probably a white supremacist. Then there are those among our scientists, artists...there may even be some clergy left...who...I guess have compartmentalized so well they can be at once our greatest intellects, humanitarians and philanthropists. Except those "Pray, then eat" missionaries. Please.
HOME:::ThE cReAtIvE tHiNkErS gAlLeRiE
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
Favorite other artists should somehow be a subheading? Anyway, I've started a few you may add to and I'd love to see some more entries! When I considered my favorite performance artists who carried both both openly antitheist AND who was open minded enough to take a serious(ly outrageous!) psychosocial character study of why we shouldn't eat the yellow snow...or at least not Nanook. Only one man. Frank Zappa!!! https://agnostic.com/discussion/13226/frank-zappa-my-favorite-musical-atheist
HOME:::ThE cReAtIvE tHiNkErS gAlLeRiE
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
Being an abridged but growing compendiminimum of my work...or see my profile pix for a quick fix. heh https://agnostic.com/discussion/12709/a-tale-of-tales-from-the-last-inn
Home | The Critical Thinker Academy
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
Thanks for my next post idea! You could leave this as a "Home" or create a new thread. While I'm in complete agreement about critical thinking, I'm a performer-ing arts teacher. I work in a field of fantasy made more "real" by the sciences of music theory, stagecraft, score and script creation or analysis... Anyway, to see the continuation of this rant it'll be here shortly!
Is your idea of love over romanticized?
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
VERY!!! but this is speaking as a happy, old bachelor. My loves are many, my regrets are few! The greatest regrets are the sometimes bitter endings if one wanted me to "unbachelor" or somesuch. There are benefits to working with some of the most beautiful performers and models in the world, even when its all business and entirely platonic. "Not" is definitely a bonus but, in the end, I entirely overly romanticize the art we create.
15 Scientifically Unexplainable Places That Actually Exist
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
VERY COOL!!! Some places I've never heard of as yet...google time! Yes, all still very natural occurrences we just as yet don't fully know the nature of. Though not conclusively, here is one of my favorite "solves" for the Bermuda Triangle. I was considering this one even as I was reading all the supernatural and conspiracy theory "pulp science" of the time. I'm still of the mind it could be an alien base or some Area 51 thing. I could have solved the village mystery before it started, had I been there of course. "Joe Labelle? Thar all hidin'. They done heard ya comin' from w't'in a day away. Now GIT!" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/bermuda-triangle-mystery-solved-latest-theories-dr-karl-kruszelnicki-debunked-unexplained-a7861731.html
What is your best argument against the teleological argument for theism?
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
***the*** theological argument? If there were only one our job would be much easier! Here are the answers to several of them, if we're talking abrhamics (judaism, xianity, islam and their offshoots)...as a single, solitary "best argument" I'd try "see this website. Call me if you see reason." You won't get a lot of calls, though. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ Also try...if you can find it...
Whatever it was, the secretive Zuma mission is now in space | Ars Technica
DangerDave comments on Jan 8, 2018:
Makes sense, in that the final Zuma (video game) secret level was also on space... Not really? Now moreso? Anyway, it was really cool...just when you thought you'd finally won...BAAAAALLS in SPAAAAACE!
I am guessing the educational level in this group is higher than average. True or not?
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
I'd say... Has anyone checked the stats? BA Orchestral Music Education, minors in theater, dance and psych, myself. We do have several PhDs around here. They may be shy... Anyway, a theist joke... *A young lady learning her letters stopped her mom at the church billboard. After quickly sounding out the pastor's name, she asked, "Mom, what does 'BS, MS, PhD' mean?"* *"I can't even say the BS part myself," her mom replied, "but I'm right sure 'MS' means 'more of the same' and 'PhD' is "piled higher and deeper."* Theist joke, yes, but it does at times have universal applications. I mean, I am an artist, after all... Sooo...
Imagine you could say "take me to Hell" into your GPS. Where on the map would it lead you?
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
Any southeastern town in the tent revival circuit. From experience, anyway.
Do You Know God? - YouTube
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
RIP religion! I much preferred the "do you know jehebus?" I heard so often from door knockers. Too easy. A favorite... "Yeah, have you seen him?" *usual awkward silence...or "nnnn"* "Well, he was here with some unclean, stinky women, drank all my wine and took my money to go get more." If they're not running already, "I want you to go out there, and find him and tell him..."
I absolutely love the level of thinking/writing on here, the provocative posts, in fact...so glad to...
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
"What? Me Worry?" - Alfred E. And really now, where can you go where people won't want approval? No one here is professing perfect...well...maybe a select few... But I digress. Welcome to our happy gang of unbelievers, universe conceivers, thought achievers and pizza eaters!!! You'll find we're not such a bad lot!
Ever been discriminated against because you were a non-believer?
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
Once for sure at Goodwill but I'd never be able to make a case of it. Looking over my application my interviewer seemed increasingly excited till she asked about religion. The excitement disappeared, she asked a few more random questions and told me I just wasn't what they were looking for. I'm quite certain its happened in other situations but that works for me. I purposely wear my hair long, but very well groomed for interviews to raise the theist red flags. For some opportunities I've cut it to their requirements. I walk through the door exuding confidence, charisma and openness...as well as a very likely laid back liberal...and hopefully "but still gets the job done with flair and chills in a crisis."
How much of the bible have you read?
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
Cover to cover several times, often against the wishes of my southern baptist family, too many peers and finally my southern baptist professors. (Don't ask...or I'll tell!) How many times did I say back then "anyone who believes the buybull can't have possibly critically read the whole thing." Not as many as I'd have liked, I assure you of that! Usually with a baptist concordance but my favorite annotation, the "tell it like it is" of all time, is the *Skeptics' Annotated Bible*. A barrel of inconsistencies, absurdities and laughs from Genesis 1.1. I highly recommended it to anyone who wants to debate theists (they have a quran and book of moron, too!) on their own turf while being entertained in the process! http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/gen/1.html
Why do some people presume to know things about others they can't possibly know? Like how one will ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
Been there, done that. My worst experience was with my 2nd fiance when if she didn't "know" what I'd done she certainly wanted to. I'd cheated on her...so... Still you asked, I'll answer... Its simply empathy and it varies person to person though most women, by nature, are more emphatic than more realistic men. I try not to presume anything but I had formidable emphatic skills as a child, honed by the studies of education, psychology, counseling,..I "discovered" myself many of the traits revealed in body language quite naturally, as we all do to a degree. I'm no Sherlock as I am no warlock, but I can glance over a class or audience and determine immediately who's getting it and who's really excited about it. We all have these innate skills to a degree. For women, there is the added stigma of our now quite public "rape culture". There are reservations to strange men, as there has always been, primarily as a threat assessment. If she interacts with a new male at all she may try to appear confident, strong,...and easily over do it. Hopefully, in any relationship, she is beyond that though it very well describes the behavior of my 2nd immediately "after the fact".
Solipsism in...Action?
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
@bingst @Gatovicolo and anyone else who would care answer....but first... ***WARNING: IMPLIED NUDE CONTENT*** The question is this...and there may be an empirical answer... *Is the "Sorceress" a valid interpretation of the definition of 'solipsism'?* Read the poem...the nekkid lady isn't telling the whole *Tale*...Deanna Deadly, btw. Google her...she was absolutely awesome at "getting into the characters" of our shoot. Our discussions of the vast unknown during this set led inevitably to this song about solipsism...or whatever you could call it!
Who else is a proud stoner? ;) If so, what do you prefer to use? i prefer to use a bong to smoke ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
YASH!!! Sativa for creativity, indica for the little pains in life. No more alcohol, meth, cocaine...and, not far beyond aspirin, I have never had much trust of pharmaceuticals. I've tried a lot of methods but my current favorite is just an old fashioned short pipe. From a pinch to a full bowl it serves me well. I have a nostalgia for some 70s joints, "power hitters", and our various bongs of the times but nah...today its the path of least resistance. Regardless of the nay-sayers, too many who have never tried it, I won't say there is any effect on intelligence (as a constant) but what it does for creativity...WOW!!! Lex, if you and yours are ever Vegas way, let's do a smoke meet. Talk about "stuff", maybe play video games and perhaps you two will indulge me in my favorite game: rummaging through my costumes to find a character you'd like to play "photographic pretend" in. You're both GORGEOUS and the possible story lines are nearly infinite!
What would you like most in a partner?
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
Before anyone opens fire let me say my act lead is a business partner first, close friend second and anything beyond is icing. I also have "partners for a day" in models who have no time for the act but want to be a part of the photographic "mythos". While "Heff is my hero", I'm at that age where I can take a "take it or leave it" attitude towards sex...my primary drive is the art. So...all of the above except "financial security". We'll get it together soon enough. The clincher, of course, is 25 is pretty much the age limit, as is for the women I rarely "just date", these dates most often being an interview for the act itself or additional art. Call it "artistic arrested development" BUT there is an irresistible (thus, highly marketable) charm to a beautiful singing, dancing, acting lead...a duo to die, or at least drop a dime, for. I train them in musical theater and give them as much artistic freedom in character development and portrayal as possible I develop any so interested in modeling and, of the 50 or so I worked with, have lost many to the better opportunities offered them. The closest I've come to adding the third "romantic interest" was a disaster, with a well trained lead suddenly doing things "her way", so everything sounded the same without the characterizations we'd worked so hard on. Her boyfriend could neither play or sing very well and was far more interested in "managing" than learning... When I'm working with a lead in a professional capacity I usually have little time for other "relationships". Anyway, there you have "her"..."them". Still, for whatever places they've had in my life they each, in their own special way, are the loves of my life. Literally through the art we exchange "parts" of each other. @HeyHiHullo I profusely apologize for the lengthy post but moreso I thank you for the question! Though it's been asked of me several times I've never given it this introspection and exposition. Now let me copy this puppy for later use! Thanks again!
What are your thoughts on Hypnosis?
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
No, for most under hypnosis REM is usually absent, unless the subject is asked to visualize. It is *considered* to be a connection to the psyche. While "a quasi-religious trance" is usually self induced, hypnosis is probably used for such purposes. This is not to say in any way it has religious connotations. We're not sure (at least in my limited research) exactly what it is but its definitely not hogwash. I love Wiki... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnosis
I believe in the power of faith. I’m in sales I see first hand how people who do not have faith ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
Kind of like prayer but not really. I also envision the deal done before it begins and imagine the best steps to get there. I've heard it verbalized 1000 different ways by sales gurus and training managers. Not foolish in the least. Quite smart, really, and exceptionally insightful if you arrived at these conclusions yourself.
I thought we were supposed to be freethinkers. People who use logic and reason, people who discuss ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
PLEASE report these people and block them if they become too bothersome. We've actually had a lowered frequency of such attacks but they will happen. Still, they either clam, leave or get the boot. I, as many, have a lot of freethinking posts. I'll be looking for yours.
What's on my mind? Not Jesus's birth, but his death. It was prophesied many times in the Bible. ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
Cruci-fiction Contradictions? Try saying this title 5 times real fast. And this is just from the bible itself. There is literally nothing in history to support it, except the Romans crucified Jews. Lots of them. Neither left any trace of such an important event at the alleged time of its occurrence. Anyway, if you still go by the bull... ***Chronological contradictions in Jesus' crucifixion*** https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Chronological_contradictions_in_Jesus%27 _crucifixion (You may have to copy and paste or google search the bold text.)
Legally Dealing With Christians That Troll
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
I moved. The "wholly" dirty south is generally no place for free thought.
Are you on a path or a journey?
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
Both. When I'm researching a specific concept or literally when I'm going to work I'm on a path. In both, I have a clear path to a somewhat certain destination. About the rest of my life, even at some stops along the paths, its a journey. If you need clarification of this from an artist, just ask. I can elaborate. Profusely.
How do you personify what you are rather than focusing on what you are not.
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
Fair warning. This is a site FOR antitheists. I have no need to focus on what I'm not, living my life as completely as possible and honoring what I've come to know as philosophical truths. Up to all respect due others and the powers that be, I'm a free man. hmmmm...possibly procrastination...but I'm usually enjoying it. Hope that was helpful.
Is marriage too connected with religion?
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
You can get a secular wedding of your own design almost anywhere in the country...except perhaps those areas which won't accept your online ordination (yes, ordained atheists can marry people) or just elope at your local justice of the peace and have whatever ceremony you want, or not. I'd still say, at least for a sad majority "amurcuns", yeah, its pretty well connected.
Has this forum helped anyone along the road towards agnosticism/atheism?
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
Good post. I was already a "well along" agnostic but I will say I've learned much more about it and a myriad of other subjects. I just don't get stimulated like this on fakebook.
Spanking
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
OH...that spanking...nevermind... Nope, but I'm not a parent so my opinion is nil.
Trading addictions, 12 steps for religion
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
They are all over the southeast and have never received the widespread attention of the "ungay camps". You have to find and usually pay well for them though. Still, "holey rollers" would be asked to desist or leave in the free and sponsored AA meetings, usually held in churches. Some would stay, some would leave. One such left crying, shouting "ya'll just don't know jehebus" as the door slammed. AA saved my life but I haven't been to a meeting in two years, several before it was merely to pick up a chip and share some "experience, strength and hope". I haven't been asked to leave yet but many don't like my "life after AA" message.
Which do you think has achieved more for society - Philosophy or Science.?. Which will help the ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 7, 2018:
Philosophy for us "commoners". I'll leave science to the scientists. If they come to a conclusion I'm even remotely interested in that is widely verifiable, I'm in. For everyone else, there is philosophy. Though it visits some scientific realms such as psychology and neurology, most everyone in their interactions every day operates on a largely philosophical level. The science of it is immaterial. Not to say its all a bed of roses. Philosophy is a bedfellow of theology, as well.
Could the Force Really Be With Us? »
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Loved the article! My concern as a "back slid" jedi is they referred to it as a theology. Oops...I just slid a little more! I am still working on a collection of their hymns for their imminent arrival. I hope they're not too pissed. ***May the Force...and Farce...be with You.*** https://agnostic.com/discussion/12084/hymns-of-jediism
Would Christianity be as popular if Jesus were portrayed more accurately?
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Oh, the ***sun*** must look pretty! Can't find it but there's...I think definitive evidence how we see jehebus today is as the son of a Roman ruler of the time, by decree inserted as the son of said local daddy god. k, who was passing around that video...or remembers the link?
There's 3 ways to log out. The best way is to click log out. That means you can log back in. The 1 ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Yeah, I'm fine with who I am originally. Thanks for the heads up!
Can you all deal with an atheist Nichiren Buddhist?
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
lol...you are so sooooo welcome! I borrow freely from buddhism as a person and an artist. Works for me, my way. Mileage may vary. Still, yes, you're going to fit right in!
It is my deepest belief we live in an age of doubt by choice. Most questions have right answers but ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Doubt is a choice for far too many, definitely, as well as faith, fear and hatred. Let's just hope enough of them open their eyes before their holy wars, pollution, social, ethical and economic irresponsibilities,...destroy us all.
Should this site add a chat feature?
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
I'm all for it. I suggested chat rooms, as well.
Frank Zappa: My Favorite Musical Atheist!
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
BRUCE BICKFORD'S WONDERFUL CLAY ANIMATION TO FRANK ZAPPA'S "DUKE OF PRUNES" Frank did considerable work with Bruce. This is one I missed myself but the visuals along with Frank's orchestration and screaming guitar are always treats to the senses! https://youtu.be/s7c03ObN2o4
Frank Zappa: My Favorite Musical Atheist!
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Frank Zappa - Titties and Beer Can we say "titties" here? Of all Zappa, my favorites are his ribald "tavern tales" with absolutely NO sexual "overtones"...well maybe, but since the entire song is about sex, strange insertions,...breasts. Anyway, here is a great fight with the devil to get some...mammary glands back. https://youtu.be/WzzWEeiUf3Y
We are living in an exciting time so much to learn and enjoy. I hope anyone who is struggling now ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
As a recovering alchie I can relate. Adapt, resist, overcome. Only some "earth people" understand...my bottom was as close to any definition of ***HELL*** I'll ever want to experience! I haven't been to a meeting in years but I still consider myself a friend of Bill and was damn glad they/you were there in my time of greatest need! So, yeah...Welcome!
I gave up religion on 12/25/1966 and never looked back. The moment is a story in itself. Confused...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Or heaven. Your life is what you can and are willing and able to make of it. Finding "hell" in a few...thousand religions should be quite an experience for me. Though I quite doubt that will happen in a few...million other possibilities.
Okay. So I am not sure what to classify this pondering as. Since I joined here, I have noticed on ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
@Admin I really hate to call in the cavalry since you're a sapiosexual. Let us just say I lacked the technical aptitudes to avail your current afflictions. Hope that helped...on both counts!
Place to meet other Atheists/Agnostics? Would like to find a local community of non-theists.
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Don't forget searches in FB and your other social media for local groups and clubs. If there isn't and it wouldn't be too...awkward, create one!
Evangelicals
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Well, yeah. There are many European countries doing quite well with it and have been for some time. They are getting tired of the refugees we've been sending them a few years now with our holy war though. We just can't stop because its tied into our economy, too many are making too much profit from it, because too many are just happy we're killing *other* theists - never mind they both worship the same god. It may look bleak but I think our current "theocrats" are showing the world, and enough of us in the US, that their ways are a path to insanity and destruction.
What is considered the very first religion? Scientology is I think the last one.
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Hard to say. I imagine it began with an early man having a close encounter with a lightning strike, who then looked into the sky and thought *"wtf just happened?!?"* And yeah, religions (sects), churches, temples, mosques, synagogues (cults) are created every day, each cult moving further from its sect as time progresses.
I tell you this. The religious man thinks of his life in heaven. The metaphysical man uses science...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Almost. You confuse "believe" with "consider the possibilities of", at least with this agnostic and metaphysical man. I really wish Buddha could answer you. I've had to make several "adjustments" to buddhism as a philosophy to better fit my own. A primary is this: I am everything, nothing ***and*** I am me. I've had those meditative nirvanas you speak of and I've had the excitement, the ecstasy, of thousands of other experiences. Most of these I was *channeling* creative elements of my own design...also everything...and nothing... It can be argued these were, are or could be universal experiences. Be that as it may, I experienced them and, to the best of my knowledge, I conceived then realized them. And Tantric Sex. Awesome! That I will take the time to cap!
Do you think God supports a sports team?
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
hehe...I'd like to do a poll for theist fans on this on!
Any "must see" documentary recommendations? I like everything from conspiracy to serial killers.
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
WOW!!! ME TOO!!! hmmmmm...so many... For me there is always *Ancient Aliens* to *Cold Case Files* on the tube. With *Zeitgeist* mentioned (a DEFINITE must see!) save this for another time...when you have a couple hours... *Christian Dilemmas - The Secret History of the Bible* https://youtu.be/_FXdMkFomBk
Do any of you have to consciously avoid religious topics or 'hide' when you are with members of your...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Have to, no. Choose to, yes. My fundie family know all too well my beliefs and I will certainly be myself on those rare occasions I'm with them, with no need to discuss faith or facts. If we were to there may be fireworks, but then a few...thousand other topics usually do just as well...so...
MATH LESSON...... no groaning. ;-)
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Awwwwwwwwwww...but math is HAAAAAARD!!! None...not a single fuck was given that day.
What's your favorite movie that 'pokes fun' at religion?
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
So many have been mentioned and I have so many favorites...but my first thought was *Saved* before I even checked the comments. https://youtu.be/7fQcvO2zuEw
A United NonTheist Front on Agnostics.com
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
OK, who voted NO(!!!)? And was it just a NO or a NO!!!??? Seriously, unless it was in jest, I wouldn't even begin to ask why. @Admin Could we get back the "see who voted on polls" feature back, even if its just our own? Inquisitive...curious minds, y'know...
Religion and politics should not mix, says British public - National Secular Society
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Religion and politics should not mix, says any sane person. There is about the sum total of the level of "societal sanity" in our world today...almost... Vegas is cool but I'm still considering a move to Amsterdam.
Do you consider yourself an intellectual elite or just an intellectual?
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
I'm only an "intellectual elite" in the arts, and among mine there are very few "absolutes", even in the hues of a color. In general I consider myself an intellectual, but only as a true "knower of things" in limited and sadly decreasing areas. Like spelling. Recall the Roman pantheon? *bah* I'm even missspellling some 3rd grade words...and I can't always blame the sticky keyboard! So hopefully I'll "graduate" from *intellectual* to *wise, old sage*. Hell, I'll settle for *crazy but happily creative walking fossil*!
What mistakes have you seen people make that they turn around and blame on God?
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Every? And do we define "mistake" as something you actually intended not to do?
Do you ever lose an entire day? This is just a general commentary. Today I woke up and utterly ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
lol...HAVE I!!! I've lost several in alcoholic blackouts, often resulting in waking up on beaches it took some time to discover where I was, and then trying to find my car. Since then I've "lost" much more time in meditative and creative trances. In fact, you're describing what could be amongst my more meditative ones. It happens.
What is your take on having a "higher power"? Through my trials in life I had times where I ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Its only as "religious" as you let it...or need it to be. When I finally got sober (3/12/01, I was 42) I attended AA "religiously" ( like 3 "90 in 90s" ) and struggled to form a "Higher Power" of the many diverse possibilities I consider as the agnostic I've always been. I attended with the predominantly theists of upstate SC. It was at times difficult to separate their usual dogmatic drivel from the crumbs left behind that lead to spiritual recovery but I somehow managed. One such was "find a sponsor and, in looking, chose someone with something you want." I found him. strangely enough, in a very pious fundamentalist southern baptist, a grizzled old and very wise WWII vet. BUT, he had what I wanted. Peace, serenity, acceptance...and he dropped far more "crumbs" than most! When I approached him I thought it was hopeless at first, as he tried to lure me back into the fold. Then he said something that has been a core belief since: "You don't have to understand god, just understand he understands you". An epiphany, if you will, in that trying to "understand" the many theoretical HPs there may be lost all importance. Today, I don't even concern myself if there actually is one or not. I could go on and on about the "alternate realities" I often visit and create but you can see that on my profile all over the boards. In these and many other ways, we all have the "god potential" you so often hear of, though usually in a theistic context, in recovery meetings of all types all over the world.
Food for thought - ‘every story ever told happened’; somewhere, in mind or in history, all we ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Wow...another rambler...pleased to meet you! I have often considered bringing up the same Celtic conclusion but instead felt it was too much "fundie" atheist ammunition...I get enough flake, er flack, from them as is! Anyway, I salute you for having the nads to even make the statement...I'm not sure I'd have received the same sane and kind commentary you have...so far... I have created and often "live in" these realities, especially in times of their creation and completion. I am most "there" as I'm drifting off to sleep and often awaken, sometimes suddenly, with new events or concepts in mind from these "imaginary realities". So, to continue, I've spent much of my life a "starving (though striving!) artist". I'm actually happy to have had a stomach virus this week to escape part of my 40 hours of misery...but I'm also counting the costs of just making ends meet over the next several weeks. Let me tell you, greed is not just an xian phenomenon. I moved to "Sin City" in hopes of breaking into any of many entertainment fields I have experience in. For the most prestigious interviews I wore my best three piece (Sears) suit but in no way could "shine" like even the lowliest of their lowlifes. While we are talking about a money driven industry, are there any that aren't? That being said America in general, both theists and non, have become more greedy, self centered and disdainful of the poor over the past few decades. Still, we have always been a materialistic society, even as so many of us have to struggle for the "materials" of basic survival...I say in my comfy bedroom in front of my big screen TV close to my several expensive instruments... Still. as we watch the erosion of our core values, largely a result "poor" theists supporting politicians working against them, as are the "prosperity pastors"...yes, Houston, we have a problem! So yeah, I'm with you on this. In fact, it will be the subject of an upcoming post of my own!
Who here was never religious? I realize I'm in a minority here. But I'm curious just how few of ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
Never. My earliest recollection, stuck in my mind likely because it was my first experience with cognitive dissonance I could verbalize, was being told "buybull stories are true!" I was about three then. All I wanted to do is stay home and watch cartoons...the "stories" were much more entertaining and, even in the days when Tom & Jerry could mutilate each other ad infinitude, much less violent and hate filled.
My puppy, Monty, is 10 years old today ... He is the light of my life, the apple of my eye, & ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
HBD, Monty! Love the name...it was a common nickname of one of my favorite and best developed characters, Alexander Montahon.
What theories do religious people in your life present for your agnosticism/atheism?
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
hehe...how often GAWD is used to justify unethical behavior these days! Sin - Repent - Repeat till it doesn't "feel" like "sin" anymore...anyway, to answer your question... "but...its in the BUYBULL!!!" George Carlin has a great routine about this and it is the most often used "reasoning" I've heard by fundamentalist xians who immediately give away their "fully indoctrinated" status...those who believe the buybull is the source of all knowledge and wisdom. Even as a youthful agnostic that was a clear indication to end the discussion and get away as quickly as I could!
Do you like Christan music?
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
....so, I answered "yes", but moreso for the music itself than any messages the songs might impart. Still, I offer a suggestion. There are several secular sources for "inspirational" music. You might consider adding some of those, free of theist messages, to your listen list. If your "hard times" are ever in part caused by being different, this tune's for you! Here is a thread I started some time ago, with several great (and, as always, not so) responses from members who have added much "secular inspiration" in a world where if its considered "inspirational" its usually theist. The "cover song" is We Are The Others - Delain If any part of your "hard times" is about being different, this tune's for you! https://agnostic.com/discussion/2578/inspirational-antidepressant-songs-for-agnostics-atheists
Do you like Christan music?
DangerDave comments on Jan 6, 2018:
K, I'll have to "double dip" here, in that I enjoy (and have written) a LOT of different styles of music and, today, my appreciation of any of it may be very spiritual but always secular. I composed much xian music while "undercover" as a church music director. Still, I'll never reach the pinnacles of such "inspired" artists as Bach, Beethoven and Brahms. I went through the full spectrum of xian music those days. Heavy metal called more to me so, while their theist messages eluded me, I could appreciate the musicianship of such bands as Stryper and Lightforce. My then third fiance played Amy Grant incessantly and, when I wasn't annoyed by the repetition, I could be soothed by the music and, at times, the altruistic messages of her music. Anytime I hear her today, it is more often a nostalia of my fiance than anything else, though. I will always have a special place in my heart for bluegrass gospel in that I grew up with it and my grandad performed it. Still, if there is any single "pick me up" from xian music I have today without a secular alternative, its parody... https://youtu.be/oWqMaTYRcCA
Would you be willing to die for your beliefs?
DangerDave comments on Jan 5, 2018:
What beliefs?
Hymns of Jediism
DangerDave comments on Jan 5, 2018:
Any way the Force flows... Bohemian Rhapsody: Star Wars Edition https://youtu.be/oi7KPDi_yQI
Are there any creative writers in the group? I like to write short stories, and I struggle to keep ...
DangerDave comments on Jan 5, 2018:
I added a couple tags for you! Definitely me. See my profile and pix for details!
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