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Being 99% certain that any god does not exist does not make a person's belief that the existence of ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
I definitely have a problem with degrees of certainty. Certainty, to me, is an absolute. You are or you aren't. Semantics aside, that leaves me with probabilities, which I am much more comfortable with. From an absolutely existential standpoint, I have no way of absolutely proving I am sitting here typing on a keyboard. From a realist standpoint in the only reality I know, I am certain I am indeed sitting here typing. So, by slightly amending your original statement, I can agree with it: "[Believing there is a 99% probability] that any god does not exist does not make a person's belief that the existence of god is unknown and probably unknowable." It's not a belief I share but I do agree there are some who do. The second statement I take as an axiom, at least when I refer to myself. Overly simplistic perhaps, but I like to keep things simple. I don't have such an ego that requires I have a multitude of labels, as well.
When do you find sex the most enjoyable?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
While I'm breathing? Seriously that's a hard one. (pun intended) There is the electric excitement of the first time or a one night stand, the continued explorations of a longer relationship and the sensual familiarity of a long-term lover. I always enjoy sex! To me, its like pizza: even at its worst its still pretty good.
What are your views on D/s relationships?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
With consenting adults, why not? Rragnaar explained what is commonly accepted as a healthy D/s relationship. Sadly, that is not the case for most but I'd much more readily call those abusive relationships. There are a lot of misconceptions about D/s relationships, propagated by much misinformation such as "Fifty Shades of Gray", the book before the movie. I've never been a 24/7 practitioner, nor would I ever care to be, but it has added some serious excitement to several of my relationships!
Religious and the non religious
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Generally I get along with theists. I do so with the understanding that even their liberals are evangelical by nature, supporting missionaries who trade food for faith to the starving. I can't see anyone active in their abrahamic sect faith as harming no one. Even at their most harmless I find them delusional. I just have to take a "I don't want to know" stance to their beliefs and resulting behaviors. It keeps me sane, with very few conflicts with those who "know not what they do".
Should the U.S. Army allow Turbans, Hijabs, Beards, and Dreadlocks?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Coming from a military family I know traditionally the uniform should be just that: uniform. While I was not of the ilk for such conformity I can clearly see the need for it as part of instilling the unit mentality. I also see a danger of such religious identity causing unrest in the ranks. Even as an agnostic I'd take issue. Imagine the disdain of strong theists of other abrahamic sects. The "me" in my 20s would suddenly have to "convert" to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and demand I be allowed to wear a colander. A specially designed bulletproof one at that.
Anyone a fan of multiverse theory?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
This question was recently asked. I'll share my answer with you here and give you the link to the previous question. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter as well! "I not only entertain the notion, I apply it to my art. "There", not only distant worlds can have various sentient beings and varied "paranormal" phenomenon (which, in other realities would be considered quite "normal") but these can coexist simultaneously in the same space and time. Do I believe it? I'm not certain but I do feel it has much more probability than any "substantial" existence if the judeo/xian/muslim god. I do, however, find it quite entertaining and could be a valid (though hypothetical, of course) explanation for many unexplained phenomenon including hauntings, UFOs and strange creatures sightings." https://agnostic.com/discussion/2813/who-agrees-with-the-theory-of-multiverse?aid=25064
How long do you think Trump can wing it before he fails miserably?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
I'm completely surprised and utterly disgusted he's made it this far...or that he was even elected...or even nominated for that matter. And he still has a 34% approval rating? AND already considering reelection?!? Sadly, this could go on for some time. Never underestimate the power of large groups of stupid people.
Excluding sex or bathing, what activities have you done naked?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 9. 10, 11 at home, in clothes optional areas and nudist resorts. I'll add performing, watching performances and movies, playing video games...I'm sure there's more.
What would you tell your teen self if you could go back?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
A LOT of things but in this forum the most important would be: Do NOT bait your family and friends into debates about how their religion is bullshit.
It's my observation that a lot of people use religion to justify hurting others in one way or ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Not all ignore that part. Ever hear of Westboro Baptist? The KKK?
So, do you need God to shift responsibility and claim God ordained it, or will you say, whatever ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
"You" as in me, an agnostic or "you" as in "them", meaning theists? I think in both cases the answers are quite clear. Not in all cases, of course. For a fundamentalist theist there is always "the devil made me do it".
We can now argue that we're more ethical since we don't get our morals from the Bible!
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
hehe...did you see this part of the SAB? Just a little...taste... And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.--Dt.28:53 http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
How do most people handle being surrounded with religous hypocrites?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Avoid them. It was hard growing up surrounded by them but I survived. I read a lot then became immersed in creative arts. Not that all were hypocrites. Some genuinely tried to live by the strict standards of southern baptists, especially the women. Moreso, avoid arguing with them! That's created an insurmountable divide between my family and me. By the time I was 15 that meant we discussed only the most mundane things (never religion or politics) but the "distance" never closed. If they're being hypocritical toward their own beliefs, such as many of the men in my family and their friends who were heavy drinkers, oh well! I actually found those were the best times to be around them!
What are your thoughts on fanatics?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
I have a lot of religious friends on FB and none, as yet, have harassed me about my beliefs. Some have asked out of curiosity and some have gone as far as "lite evangelism" but these have been very brief and seldom repeated. TRUE fanatics such as the KKK and other far right conservatives are dangerous...VERY dangerous. Likewise, to possibly a greater degree are the buybull thumping, Trump following, climate change denying, war mongering, bigoted ilk who want to see the world end so their nonexistent redeemer will come save them...these are the truly dangerous people...such as my strange and estranged family! But telling you you'll go to hell? Tell me, do you really feel threatened by that? I'd be merely amused.
What's your thoughts on prostitution?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
I totally agree. Research shows there is a dramatic decrease in sex crimes where prostitution is legal. (see article) Also the vilification of prostitution by abrahamic sects (judaic, xian, muslim. etc) was largely unheard of before the advent of these cultures and were clearly aimed at the control of women by church, state and men. Even in polytheistic Roman culture prostitution was accepted in a flourishing, enlightened society. While this is just one factor, it is interesting to note when the Roman Empire became "holy" Western Civilization entered the Dark Ages. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/legal-prostitution-zones-reduce-incidents-of-rape-and_us_58c83be1e4b01d0d473bce8a
Ghosts, spirits, or apparitions. Do you have any thoughts on the subject? I have met some ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 10, 2017:
Remnant energy of the deceased or projections from other dimensions only some are attuned to and able to observe? (Mass) hysteria or delusion? An effect of our collective unconscious? There are many possibilities for such manifestations and, from the sheer magnitude of well documented unexplained phenomenon and personal experience, there is clearly "something" "there". We may never be able to fully explain or understand these "abnormalities" but their existence is irrefutable.
Where do you fall on the Dawkin's Scale of Theistic Probability?
DangerDave comments on Nov 9, 2017:
I have to go with #4 but my definition of "god" is quite mutable. I don't define god so much as a "supreme being", but as a "sum total of all matter and energy in the uni/omniverse", with said energy also containing the collective consciousness of all beings, regardless of our measures of intelligence. I lean towards Pantheism (obviously) but I honestly can't say its an even 50/50 split. In a universe of infinite possibilities I'd say its more like 5/5/4/4/4/4/3....
My religious/gullible mother blames me for my ailments. Advice?
DangerDave comments on Nov 9, 2017:
To a believer any ailments or misfortune to befall a nonbeliever is caused by "gawd" but, in the case of a fellow believer its the work of the devil. Its ingrained...no arguments, however well or gently expressed, will be accepted and may be met with outfight hostility. My early arguments (along the age of 12) were a main reason for permanent rifts with most of my family, including my mother. It took several years for us to just agree to disagree and not speak of religion but, by that time, the damage had been done. My only advice is to reach that "agree to disagree" point as soon as you're able. Live your life as you will and strive for happiness. If she's evangelizing or seems genuinely interested calmly state your stance but avoid arguing. A contributing factor was my choice of a hedonistic ("sinful") lifestyle as a very active local metal musician, when I started meeting like-minded (or at least understanding) people. I'm sure most of my extended family (most active fundamental southern baptists) to this day are sure I'm in league with the devil! Its ok, I have a new "family" now!
Does absolute truth exist?
DangerDave comments on Nov 8, 2017:
"Truth is after all a moving target Hairs to split, And pieces that don't fit How can anybody be enlightened Truth is after all so poorly lit" Neil Peart from "Turn the Page" My best answer using some of those lyrics I wish I'd written. Short answer: I do believe an absolute truth exists but it is far beyond the bounds of human understanding and probably always will be.
Who agrees with the theory of multiverse?
DangerDave comments on Nov 8, 2017:
I not only entertain the notion, I apply it to my art. "There", not only distant worlds can have various sentient beings and varied "paranormal" phenomenon (which, in other realities would be considered quite "normal") but these can coexist simultaneously in the same space and time. Do I believe it? I'm not certain but I do feel it has much more probability than any "substantial" existence if the judeo/xian/muslim god. I do, however, find it quite entertaining and could be a valid (though hypothetical, of course) explanation for many unexplained phenomenon including hauntings, UFOs and strange creatures sightings.
If religion never existed... (finish the line)
DangerDave comments on Nov 8, 2017:
"...the world would live as one"? A great sentiment but I find it improbable. Humans, among their many varied traits, can be altruistic through nihilistic; not only as a race but exhibited by most individuals, often within a span of minutes. I'd like to think we'd be kinder to each other and the environment. Also that we'd strive for greater understanding and achievements. Sadly, if we didn't have religion to wage war over I'm sure we'd find something else. Like power. Wealth. Oil. The true "holiest of holies".
Social Stigma Around One Night Stands
DangerDave comments on Nov 8, 2017:
My only response is this: I want the 70s back. I REALLY want the 70s back.
What is one material thing that you wouldn't want to live without?
DangerDave comments on Nov 2, 2017:
One? My instruments. It'd be like deciding on a favorite child.
Inspirational/Antidepressant Songs for Agnostics/Atheists?
DangerDave comments on Nov 2, 2017:
Sorry I've not gotten back to this question...or site...or web in general...but "real life" issues have had me so busy lately. I hope I can find an alternative to the 9-5 grind again soon! I have a full weekend planned as well but I want to get to everyone's input and listen to everything I've not yet heard, as well as add a few more myself!
Being a new found Agnostic, i would appreciate any advice or wisdom from fellow Agnostic peers.
DangerDave comments on Nov 1, 2017:
You've got some really good advice here. The only thing I can add is: don't worry about it! I drove myself to depression as a younger man, even as a non-believing child in a fundamentalist southern baptist home and area. At the age of about 12 I was met with disdain by all of them when I immersed myself in the studies of philosophy, the paranormal and the occult. Be at peace knowing even our greatest minds throughout history struggle with these very same enigmas. Surely any benign deity would make itself known to all of us if that were it's intention. And beware those who "know", be they theist, atheist or anything in between. They are furthest from a truth none of us are able to ever completely understand.
Should public nudity be legal?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
In a perfect world, or even a more tolerant one. Not merely religious but current social standards come into play (though those are largely affected by religion). In most American public situations, men would be seen as perverts or predators, women as vain or "asking for it". I'm a naturist at heart and visited several naturist resorts throughout Florida when I was "snowbirding" there. The sense of freedom and community was wonderful!
Would you consider yourself a Humanist?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Definitely, and I'm a priest of Spiritual Humanism. Being that Humanism is a philosophy "a doctrine, attitude, or way of life centered on human interests or values" * it is not a belief system in and of itself.
Hey everyone thx for answering my first question. My next my next question is, after doing 3 tours ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
To answer your first question, rarely. Most sects of xianity only see other xians as good people and several...hundred, I think...other sects, or denominations, only see those of their own sect as good. On the second, of course not but the indoctrination of especially those of evangelical faiths are that they ARE superior, the "chosen", and it is their religious duty to indoctrinate others.
What's the most surprising fact you learned about the religion you were born into, that wasn't ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
That people actually believed it, because I never did.
What things make you happy?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
My current pastime is Agnostics.com (I really need to get back to my instruments. They're getting lonely!) Female Fronted Metal (Heart, Pat Benatar...The Pretty Reckless, In This Moment) Winter (now that I live in Las Vegas!) Midnight, predawn Too many movies but let's go with Repo: The Genetic Opera Game of Thrones Nova Usually fiction That's plenty...no need to add anything. Your turn, Victoria!
What is the definition of Art, and what is the definition of Entertainment? How does one separate ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Like Beauty, Art and Entertainment are in the eye of the beholder. For each of us, all art is not entertaining. From catching the eye or mildly interesting you to fully immersing your imagination, art then becomes entertainment. Art in and of itself is an expression of the artist. As an artist (performance, literary and visual) what I consider my best, most cerebral, works are entertaining to smaller groups. On the other hand, a three chord song with a straight beat, an "uncluttered" visual work or a simply stated narrative usually engage a much wider audience. That's because most people aren't interested in in interweaving, complex harmonies or story lines when they come to a club or festival...or even a museum or college. The artist who wants to entertain must apply the KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) principle as needed. Still, when asked, I want to be described as a (performance) artist over entertainer. While I do carefully tailor my shows to specific audiences I am "displaying" my art, an integral part of myself...the viewer can then decide if they are entertained.
Should children be constitutionally protected from a specified list of abuses including ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Talk about Utopia! Of course they should be protected but its not going to happen in this society, at least in no foreseeable future.
Was Jesus a real person?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
"Jesus" was a common name of the time but there is absolutely no historical source of such a religious leader by any name in that time and area outside the buybull. They were under Roman rule at then and the Romans were excellent record keepers.
Does anyone know someone that was an Atheist or Agnostic and then became Christian?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
No, though its a staple of televangelist shows. But then there was a time women who married or had sex with satan were too. For either I'd want evidence with a LOT of supportive data...and still probably not believe it.
How many agnostics, atheists are out there who actually want to date another agnostic/atheist?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
I've found a huge rift in (beyond casually) dating theists. Even when we've "agreed to disagree" there is that huge, gaping rift of core beliefs we always just wound up never discussing.
Three days new
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Welcome Sunny! Yeah, this site has become my new "FB" in just a week. Most of my FB friends are theists so it only stands to reason.
Do (negative) emotions serve a greater purpose?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
If you can overcome, learn and grow from them.
Why are minorities in the U.S. so religious?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
I think the primary reason is the hope of an afterlife and freedom from oppression, poverty and bigotry. The same empty promises are a large part of the swift rise of islam among the impoverished all over the world as well.
Which major world religion do you think is the worst and why?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
If we describe the worst as the most destructive xianity wins hands down. As we denounce the atrocities of islamic terrorists they've beaten them on the kill list exponentially since 9/11. Take a tour back just a few of centuries and xians destroyed every indigenous culture on the Western Hemisphere while enslaving those from much of Africa. All the way back to the inception of the Holy Roman Empire...what xians have done to everyone, even their own, makes them the mass murdering mythology award winners of all recorded human history.
What are your views on bible stories?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Even if they're "good" moral stories they are still tainted by the faith and too liable to be used for indoctrination. Besides, there are plenty of similar moral fiction for children that in no way could be construed as factual. That is, I have yet to hear of a single instance where Aesop or Mother Goose were declared deities.
I was raised a fundamentalist from a young age. At ten, I was baptized into the ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Have you tried offering them cookies? (Of course you can't actually let them HAVE them.) I am glad you survived these ordeals. Mine were bad but pale by comparison. I don't know how "deprogrammed" you are but, even years after I escaped (2 years in a Southern Baptist junior college, still 10 years before the internet and a few more before the site went up) I found great solace in the Skeptics' Annotated Bible. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Should marijuana be legal everywhere? all drugs?
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
Yes to marijuana...and I'm so happy I moved to Nevada! Not only have no real issues have arisen from legal pot, the tax revenues in legal states have skyrocketed! I am both a recreational and medicinal user, though I don't have the medical card. The pains of my early onset arthritis as well as normal physical and mental stress just go away with my usual hybrid. Sometimes I will get a sativa (higher THC content) which is a serious boost to creativity for me. Breaks from both don't adversely effect me. Its been almost a month since my last purchase and, while I can easily afford it, I'm sitting here debating if I want to go on a run. ALL drugs?!? NO!!! Cocaine, heroin and certain psychedelics maybe (and ONLY with adequate treatment and counseling available, as in Denmark). Crack, meth, even regulated "designer" drugs? You can't treat someone who might die or suffer permanent damage immediately.
If corporations are people, how has big pharma NOT been charged with genocide/mass negligent ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
That was in the news just this morning. Lawsuits from some states are pending!
As a dyslexic agnostic insomniac, I often lay awake at night wondering if there is a doG!
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
Bwahahahaha...thanks, I needed that!
Agnostic vs. Atheist?
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
First, congratulations on your recovery! I'm well past 16 years now myself and it was the best decision of my life in that it saved my life! How can atheists say god doesn't exist? Its pretty easy...first they open their mouths... Just kidding but I've been astounded by the variations of atheists here. Agnostic atheists?!? Seems as much a contraction in terms as theist atheist to me. But I have discovered since I came to this page I am an apathetic agnostic. I don't know if a god (or gods) exist(s) and I really don't care. In recovery, as an artist and as a human being I am a priest of Spiritual Humanism, meaning I recognize the spiritual nature of humanity. We have yet to find quantitative measures of creativity, empathy, emotions...not to mention the paranormal...oh wait...I did! What many people fail to realize is the "para-" is a derivative from the Greek "along with", such as paramedic or paralegal. Yes, there are phenomena "along with" what we consider to be "normal" and opinions of our greatest minds are constantly changing and adding to what is considered normal. And no, you won't know till you die, they can't know till they die and one of the greatest mysteries of our being is that none of us truly can. Those who say they know are delusional. I made a decision in recovery to lead a good life, though that can be debated...as if I care! Still, I no longer take advantage of people or situations and have made amends with those I have harmed in the past. I sleep well at night and I am generally a happy person by day. Not knowing so much about so much isn't even part of the equation.
Should a candidate's ability to keep his/her religious beliefs to him/herself be a litmus test for ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
What is and what should be...of course they should be removed. But the religious currently rule this country and that is unlikely to change in the near future. You might remember the xian extremists' rants Obama wasn't xian, implying anyone who ran for the office had to be.
Is the "self" something real? or it just a kind of special awareness? Many philosophers and ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
This may be over my head but I'll do my best. I have no idea how the existence of self can be denied. From a purely existential stance the self is all that exists. I am aware I am sitting here typing a reply but is it only that "awareness" that exists? From a realist standpoint self can be reduced to a series of electrical impulses in our brains. I won't even go into the spiritual aspects. Even a novice such as myself could write volumes. Could you expound on the concept of the non-existence of self...in layman's terms please?
I am struggling with life right now and it makes me doubt my spirituality all together. Has anyone ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
Several times. Growing up agnostic in a fundamentalist xian family and neighborhood made me doubt my views many times, and led me to the conundrum "what if they ARE right?!?" more times than any child should ever have to experience. Since, the times I struggled with spirituality I found the core in some internal conflict of ideas or ideals. Thankfully one such struggle led me to sobriety. I've had many struggles since: financial, emotional, disease to near death but all these have since seemed to make me stronger spiritually. I'm not sure what struggles in life you are facing but I suggest you clearly identify and confront them. I further suggest get with family or friends you trust to discuss these struggles.
If you could change only ONE thing about the world, what would it be?
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
I got it down to two. Which would you chose? 1. Irrationality. I believe if humanity suddenly became rational all religions would suddenly end and we could start earnestly working on the tremendous problems we face. 2. Fear. I believe if humanity suddenly became "fearless" they'd see no need to worship gods or concern themselves with what happens after they die. Hate (fear of others), greed (fear of want) and other destructive mindsets would fade away. And yes, we could start earnestly working on the tremendous problems we face.
How can we improve this community?
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
First, I'd like to say THANK YOU for being here! The very fact this site exists is a vast improvement to the internet in general for nonbelievers of all types. I'd like to suggest a newbie "area" though, well monitored by Admins. There are a lot of trolls on the site attacking newcomers and my chief concern is for newcomers who are just exploring Agnosticism. I was personally accosted by several of them when I first joined: those who were dictating words I could use (spiritual, paranormal), those evangelizing atheism, others who were just obnoxious. Those have quieted considerably since I've shown I'll hold my own but my concern is for those newcomers who are trying to span the vast cognitive dissonance of giving up their core beliefs, and the terrible emotional (and yes, I will say) spiritual upheaval of having the world as they've known it completely change. They greatly need a warm and understanding welcome.
I am new to site. What are these levels all about?
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
How long does it take to get credit for shares? My first was over a week ago.
What do you think of educational vouchers?
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
Speaking as a teacher myself the voucher concept is completely flawed from an educational standpoint. It is a very clear attempt to move public funding to private religious schools. As we all might agree here "religious education" is a contradiction of terms. Has there been any news lately on this insane scheme?
So I think there are atheist and agnostics everywhere but they are in too deep on their social ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
I firmly believe we need to provide a warm and welcoming environment for both agnostics and atheists. (After all, this is agnostics.com and there is an atheists.com) Yet I was beset with a barrage of extremist atheist rants (and, though probably not the first, I used the term 'fundamentalist atheists'), beginning with one particularly hostile individual who said I could not use words like "spiritual", "paranormal" and such not merely on this (again, supposedly agnostic website) but ANYWHERE!!! These very same people attack virtually every newcomer who posts. They are clearly poorly educated, unable to form coherent thoughts and the end all of their "logic" seems to be "I know Santa doesn't exit therefore god can't exist". The very fact they will harass agnostics or anyone who will present a concept beyond their very narrow and limited view is disconcerting. If people such as these remain on the forefront of our movement then the movement is lost. If we cannot ensure a warm and welcoming environment to those who are doing their best to overcome a lifetime of religious indoctrination they will seek solace elsewhere...perhaps back to the very religion they sought to escape.
I'm an atheist but I still say bless you after someone sneezes.
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
If that's the worst of theist brainwashing you can't escape I'd say you're doing fine.
What is the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard that people actually believe?
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
WOW...so hard to decide...but I'm sure it came from the buybull. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/abs/long.htm
Any universalist/unitarian experience?
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
I have the same basic disagreement with the UU church as I do with Spiritual Humanism, my core belief. That is the attempt to combine the major world religions as a means of unification. In my opinion, this practice still propagates those religions. Still, the UU church I visited a few times was friendly and all inclusive. It was in a predominantly fundamentalist xian area of rural upstate South Carolina but still set aside a few rooms exclusively for Pagans. I just found I don't need fellowship for spiritual purposes. I would much rather gather with fellow artists for primarily social purposes where beliefs are rarely discussed. I'll add all churches are different but, from my limited experience of the few hundred who attended that church they are a close community of caring like-minded folks. I attended services, not activities, and I was concerned about their "cherry picking" of "touchy feely" passages of several religions. Still, if I heard of a UU activity that interested me I'd attend. Unless you are espousing an extremist or evangelical atheist or a strict antitheist viewpoint you'll be fine.
Newbie wants to know if there ere are any yogis in the house?
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
I am not personally a yogi but I have adapted Buddhist principles in meditation, mainly those aimed at clearing the mind. I was doing so long before becoming a Spiritual Humanist, but meditation is a core practice. http://www.spiritualhumanism.org/meditate.php
How can belief in Hell be moral?
DangerDave comments on Oct 27, 2017:
Moral? Hell no! A way to scare people into believing and staying believers? Hell yes! http://www.wakingtimes.com/2016/05/12/retired-bishop-reveals-why-the-church-invented-hell/
Why the t-shirt size?
DangerDave comments on Oct 27, 2017:
I was a little let down in that I didn't get a free t-shirt when I joined. Oh well.
Is it worth moving to a blue state?
DangerDave comments on Oct 27, 2017:
A year ago I moved from Virginia to Las Vegas. Far fewer churches and far fewer street corner preachers...though in both they tend to be homeless drunks no one pays attention to. Not ONE person has asked me about a church but several ask what clubs and casinos I go to. Vegas is a tough town and not for everyone. For me, I'm home.
Any non-conformists out there?
DangerDave comments on Oct 27, 2017:
The very fact we're on this page can be seen as an act of nonconformity. Beyond that...yeah...though my boss might disagree. (What he doesn't know, right?) As for nonconformity as a symptom of my Agnosticism...maybe partly. I'd say its mostly being a Bohemian artist though.
What do you think of the term "Spiritual but not religious" ?
DangerDave comments on Oct 27, 2017:
I live by it as a priest of Spiritual Humanism. Its a philosophy, not a religion. I don't agree with all it but, according to their "tenets", I don't have to. http://www.spiritualhumanism.org/practices.php
AGNOSTICS: Are you uncertain of the existence of the Abrahamic god (that is of Christianity, Islam ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 27, 2017:
I provided the fourth option from one of the greatest recurring contradictions of all Abraham religious texts: there are many gods but there is only one god. Besides the completely inconceivable Sunday School stories I endured in my southern baptist upbringing (Jonah, Moses, Noah, etc, etc) at the ripe old age of three to be drilled on the ten commandments (specifically "...no other gods before me") while being told there is only one god... I won't offer the apologists responses but I will mention xian Wiccans (yes, they do exist!) would be hitting that option en force were they on this sites. Thoughts? I mean reasonable ones? http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/gods.html
Are there any other alcoholics in this group?
DangerDave comments on Oct 26, 2017:
*raises hand* Hi, I'm Dave and I'm an alcoholic. Sobriety date 3/12/01. Congratulations on the 50 years! That's my "experience, strength and hope" for the day! A large part of my alcoholism was the internal struggle of paying lip service to my familial religion of southern baptist which I never believed. Still, I went on to become Director of Music at three different churches. Not the most self destructive of my alcoholic behaviors but it ranks up there. I actually had a smug satisfaction in hiding my disbelief and enabled myself further by considering all the church members and clergy absolute idiots! AA saved me and, while I was a "closet" Spiritual Humanist all my life, it became my HP, even though it is a philosophy I did not and still do not entirely agree with. In the rooms I was met with disdain by many when I disclosed my HP (almost all southern baptist and all the rest xian) but there were several old timers and younger "revolving door" members who accepted me. That was enough. I never looked back and was one of those "blessed" few who never had to struggle with a desire to drink. Thanks for letting me share!
Are "Fundamentalist Atheists" potentially dangerous?
DangerDave comments on Oct 26, 2017:
AMGT chose to remove her comments so any friend of hers can feel free to pass this along. This is my response to my (now admittedly erroneous) assertion that humans only use 10% of their brains. The link she provided: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-people-only-use-10-percent-of-their-brains/ I read the article, assimilated and accepted it. No, you have not struck a core belief so don't gloat. While I first was taught this in 3rd grade, if memory serves, and have had that concept reinforced often ( such as the movie "Lucy" ) I never held it as a maxim. I am actually quite content in not knowing everything. I am far too confident to ever pretend I do. I am far too self aware to ever convince myself I do. For these same reasons I cannot be a theist I also cannot be an atheist. A far more important realization is the new and very dangerous atheist type you represent. "An atheist cannot commit crimes in the name of atheism." So my view of atheists in general has changed: the 90% closed minded but apologetic moderates, the 10% potentially dangerous extremists and the (hopefully) >1% of which I have just discovered in you, who won't even acknowledge the potentially dangerous 10%. This then ends our conversations. I came here seeking peace and friendship of like minded people only to be harassed from all sides by atheist trolls. That ends now.
Science says that one day would could become robots by "downloading" are own minds on to a robotic ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 26, 2017:
I would definitely entertain the idea but, if it were to become possible in this society, only the upper 1% could afford it. They would most likely continue to collect wealth at the expense of the rest of us AND the planet until only they were left.
What is your primary reason for visiting agnostic.com?
DangerDave comments on Oct 26, 2017:
While the first two answers are important to me I voted "finding people", where "relationships" can be completely platonic though the "dating...and/or hookups" would be great as well! I'm an artist and, as many, I'm a loner so I won't say I'm lonely but those rare instances I find like minded people are few and far between. I'm not saying anyone has to agree with me on every topic...that'd be boring...but to feel you have to completely avoid any philosophical conversation for fear of offending someone's core beliefs doesn't make for close friendships. I'll never marry but my three failed engagements, as well as many other otherwise wonderful relationships, were all due in a large part to falling in love with "Theists".
Why did mankind attributed supernatural power to natural phenomena?
DangerDave comments on Oct 26, 2017:
I'm not an anthropologist but I believe early man attributed supernatural power to natural phenomena as a means of explaining what they could not understand. Nor am I an anthropological sociologist but it is as clear to me some people along the way discovered they could control others by attributing supernatural power to natural phenomena.
Does this seem like an agnostic or atheist site?
DangerDave comments on Oct 26, 2017:
hmmmm...less than a week here and I see Agnostics are a minority on Agnostics.com. AND some are here to evangelize. Oh well...I'll hang around until the Atheists get too powerful...or too many get too obnoxious.
Is devout religious belief a psychiatric disorder?
DangerDave comments on Oct 25, 2017:
Sadly society sets the standards of sanity. Given a clean slate without the preponderance of the myth I am certain xianity would be considered insanity.
If you were once a believer what do you think is the most vulnerable 'weak spot' religion has which ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 25, 2017:
I have NEVER been a believer though I was brought up and educated as a Southern Baptist. My earliest recollection was the astounding cognitive dissonance I experienced at age 3 when I was told Sunday School bible stories were true (Noah, Jonah, Adam and Eve's talking snake, etc, etc) I found actually stating my beliefs around age 12 was met with great disdain by friends and family. I was called a demon and Satan worshiper by some so I played along until I transferred to a four year college from the Southern Baptist junior college I attended, which offered a scholarship package that more than paid for my Associates Degree. There I was required to take at least the basic OT and NT courses. When questioning "professors" as to why only select books were studied, and of those there were cherry picked passages, I was simply told "those don't apply" and not to question the "will of god". Indoctrination is a powerful tool of religion and creates the basis at an early age for an unswerving belief in the absurd. Otherwise rational people share these dangerous beliefs with extremists and unwittingly defend them by "keeping the faith" as those extremists use those verses they'd as soon pretend were not in the bible to spread hate, intolerance and fear. My best tool against this insanity is living well and, when questioned about my faith, clearly explain it. On those rare occasions someone shows an interest (as opposed to the usual repulsion) I refer them to the Skeptics Annotated Bible. Those who believe the bible have never critically read the whole thing through. It is filled with contradictions, absurdities and the cruelties of a spiteful, jealous and, at the core, a very weak "god". The "pick and choose" nature of it is the reason for much, if not most, of the conflict we've experienced for almost two millennia and, sadly, the only end in sight appears to be the end of humanity. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Does anyone believe that theists are generally honest and sincere in their claims?
DangerDave comments on Oct 24, 2017:
Do they "buy bull" or not, that is the question... Coming from a family who had been indoctrinated to fundamentalist baptist theology over several generations I know first hand there are those who believe without question. Inconsistencies are summarily dismissed and their faith is not based on the entire bible but a selection of verses that best reflect their ideology. On the other hand, those who profit most from the religion tend to believe it the least. Their "true god" is the almighty dollar bill, which is clearly evident if you've ever seen a televangelist making extravagant claims for those who will send them money.
How comfortable are you with the word "Atheist" ?
DangerDave comments on Oct 23, 2017:
I am completely comfortable with the word Atheist. It is perfectly descriptive, to the point and clearly separates them from the myriad types of Agnostics there are.
What Are Your Thoughts On Pantheism?
DangerDave comments on Oct 23, 2017:
I'm not familiar with the works of Spinoza but this is one of the core theories of Spiritual Humanism, of which I am a priest. It works for me and strips my "faith" of dogma and ritual.
What is your Heaven?
DangerDave comments on Oct 23, 2017:
"Heaven" to me is "oneness" with the universe in the Buddhist sense as well as those occasional and fleeting euphoric moments. Both are wonderful experiences though, to me, they are distinctly different. Apples and oranges. As a performer even after decades there is the euphoria of playing to a lively audience but those times of oneness, when creativity flows through me and I lose myself in the art, are equally as satisfying. The euphoria of sex in its myriad forms is "heavenly" but the cuddle time after, or even in the absence of sex, is equally wonderful. With practice, and I believe age is a factor as well, I achieve the calm, serene "oneness" more and more often. I believe we all do at times. Occasions of this oneness may happen anytime, for instance when you are on a long trip (driving, riding, walking) and several miles pass without you noticing. Acts of compassion, both given and received, are yet another form of "bliss". It is sad fewer and fewer religious people and their leaders seem to understand this. They seem to grow increasingly content with praying for forgiveness for their "transgressions" (if they even bother) than try to understand we each carry "heaven" with us in the palms of our hands, instead putting stock in the pretentious afterlife they've been sold by the religious leaders who profit from them.
Would you want a Christian God to be real?
DangerDave comments on Oct 23, 2017:
Anyone answering this without a resounding "HELL NO!!!" should read these passages from the Wholly BuyBull... http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
Should unbelievers use the word 'spiritual' if they aren't referring to anything supernatural?
DangerDave comments on Oct 22, 2017:
I agree with your views on the use of the term "spiritual". In addition, as a Spiritual Humanist and by personal conviction I believe "supernatural" should only be used, if at all, to describe anything as yet not empirically proven. Sadly, in the case of most religions, much has been DISPROVEN but still "exists" in the realms of what too many refer to as "supernatural"...or divine, holy...and above any empirical debate.
Do you think there is only one human race?
DangerDave comments on Oct 22, 2017:
Genetically speaking, yes, we are one species. The wonder (and terror, sadly) of it is we are all unique. Yes, there are racial and cultural differences but the greatest differences among us are on an individual level. Instead of celebrate these individual differences we have instead too often look at those who are different than "us" with xenophobic fear.
Should religion be taught in schools?
DangerDave comments on Oct 22, 2017:
ONLY as mythology in my opinion, if its "taught" at all. Students today are having enough difficulty with rudimentary skills (such as the "3 Rs") and distinguishing facts from opinions. For that reason alone NO "religious education" (a contradiction in terms, really) should be allowed in any secular education system.
How many have been defriended on Facebook over your atheist memes and opinions?
DangerDave comments on Oct 22, 2017:
I've lost count both ways. Unless I really know and/or like the person I'm very likely to unfriend anyone who posts anything that, say, ends with "can I get an Amen?" heh
Thoughts on Satanism?
DangerDave comments on Oct 22, 2017:
The Church of Satan, founded by Anton LeVey in 1966, is actually an Atheist church. Their primary tenet/commandment is "do what thou wilt" based on a literal belief in YOLO. Theistic Satanism is a mixed bag of the academic, esoteric beliefs of those such as Aliester Crowley and his Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn DOWN to what I like to call "punk satanists", those of the moronic, pathetic ilk who destroy or deface property or microwave kittens in hopes of gaining Satan's favor. Theistic Satanists have one thing in common: the same, sad belief in the xian god. It is interesting to note that Lucifer ("light-bringer" in Latin) was "recast" in Hebrew mythology as an evil entity for trying to bring enlightenment and knowledge to mankind. Judaism and its offshoot sects (xianty, islam, etc) have been VERY successful in keeping the majority of humanity "in the dark" since. Little wonder so many of their "true believers" are really pissed! A concise read on the history and types of Satanism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism
How do you deal with Door-knockers?
DangerDave comments on Oct 22, 2017:
My last encounter was long ago and perhaps a universal message to any proselytizers to "stay away from this guy!" I opened the door to, "Brother, do you know Jay-Zeus?" My response: "Brother, you just missed him! He was here and left pretty drunk with a couple of <prostitutes> ...they were helping him out because he drank nearly all my damn wine..." As they were hurriedly leaving I asked if they had any messages if he were to return. I got no response. Heathens.
Fellow agnostics, how do you feel about believers joining?
DangerDave comments on Oct 22, 2017:
hehe...growing old seems to make me want to argue more! Still, I believe Atheists, Agnostics, Humanists, et al need a forum away from religious zealots. As a Spiritual Humanist I believe in the POSSIBILITY of a god, even if as such s/he is the sum total of the matter and energy of the omniverse....hence my priesthood in Spiritual Humanism...SO... I have no compunction against offering words of solace, encouragement and enlightenment when and where needed. These can feed the "soul", or psyche if you prefer, and even to an Atheist, a true unbeliever, these can have a positive effect...BUT... I am NOT here to proselytize, convert or otherwise sway anyone's thinking beyond RATIONAL debate. The beauty of my "faith" is I DO NOT KNOW and, beyond my direct experiences, have very little knowledge of anything intangible. I do know the "voices in my head" are of my own making and, if I ever think otherwise, I hope I am committed to the appropriate institution...and let me make it clear I am NOT talking about a church! STILL... There are far too many websites, groups, clubs, chat rooms...for religious people to be among their own. My personal belief, having been a part of this wonderful community for a total of just over an hour now, is that anyone coming to this site to find converts should be politely asked to leave.
When did you first doubt religion?
DangerDave comments on Oct 22, 2017:
Always. One of first recollections as a child, at age 3 I think, was asking my mother if I could stay home from church to watch cartoons instead of going to our fundamentalist southern baptist church, because the cartoons were so much more fun than the Sunday school stories. My first profound experience of cognitive dissonance occurred when my mother told me the "SS" stories were true!
Do you believe in astrology?
DangerDave comments on Oct 22, 2017:
I do in that I am very much a Pisces and most people I've met have at least some of the characteristics of their sun signs. While I will put stock in the millennia of research done by astrologists, many decades ago I attempted the research and became almost immediately disinterested by the conflicts in the histories and "mysteries" of the available books of the time. I'm sure that any such study would be further complicated by the vast amount of "data" now available on the internet. Still, when the day is done, I've seen MUCH more validity in astrology than any mainstream religions!
Do you support Trump?
DangerDave comments on Oct 22, 2017:
The only upside I see to the Trump presidency is the exposure of his far right supporters who overlook his many "sins". In decades to come I see this as an important milestone in the downfall of xian fundamentalism and the inevitable end of the insanity of xianity.
I wouldn't be surprised if this question has been brought up here before, but does anyone care about...
DangerDave comments on Oct 22, 2017:
Considering over 70% of the US population is xianto not overlook something as simple as a wish for happy holidays, however stated, I feel would be rude and unnecessary. However if they're proselytizing, demanding I conform to their "values" or involved in any other demeaning or dangerous behaviors that's an entirely different matter!

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