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Do you have a subconscious racial bias?
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
Oh, mine are quite conscious. While I try to judge people as individuals, and only when I have an absolute need to do so, some racial and cultural differences cannot be dismissed. So as not to pick on any but my own, I'm from an Irish family with a long history of alcoholic men and enabling women. The Andy Capp cartoon strip has us pegged very well!
Agnosticism and Divinity
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
Though they aren't synonymous I prefer Spiritual to Divine. Being Agnositc, I don't necessarily attribute these experiences to a god but I don't completely dismiss the possibility. Yes, I do have a strong leaning toward Pantheism but I'm far from convinced. All I am convinced of is organized religion is a smoke and mirrors scam.
Please share one awesome thing about where you live. :)
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
The Vegas Strip. Of all the amazing things this town has to offer its my favorite. Always alive, always teeming with people from all over the world, always something new going on. And, unlike most other US cities, there is not a church on every corner. That's reason enough for this agnostic to love it!
Ignosticism, anyone? The basic idea that it's pointless to argue the existence or non-existence ...
DangerDave comments on Dec 3, 2017:
So I am now an Ignostic Agnostic. I find the never-ending circular arguments of many of both theists and atheists both too absurd and too strangely similar.
How to deal with parents?
DangerDave comments on Nov 26, 2017:
Yes, it depends on the parents, you, when the confrontation occurs...many factors. My first confrontation came at about 3 when my mother tried to convince me buybull stories were real. The cognitive dissonance (snakes don't talk, you can't get two each of every animal from all over the world in one place, etc, etc, etc) coupled with her utter shock I was an unbeliever is still one of my earliest memories. I tried playing along but it was always to placate her. But too many stories of atrocities committed by this "loving gawd" and his followers were often too much to even pretend I pretended. I was utterly nauseated by the religion. I was about 9 when my mother told me at 12 I could quit church and, at that time, be old enough to sit at home Sundays while my family went to thump buybulls. It was a shallow victory, one I don't think my family would expect I'd take them up on and caused an irreparable rift which eventually was a main reason for me walking away from them and never looking back. Of course, my mother locking me in a room as I was dying of an infection at the age of 16 ranks up there too. Knowing she (truly believed she) was doing the "lawd's work" didn't make me any more understanding.
What kind of catalyst are we waiting on to change the human thought process and brain activity to ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 25, 2017:
More and more of us are organizing, not yet so much in unified movements but in our own "special interest groups" anti-war, social causes, womens' rights groups, etc. The world is awakening but if it is to awaken in time it these movements will have to find a means of unification. YOU can be the catalyst. Do what you are able to become an active part in these movements as you are called to them.
Thank you for this community! I’d just like to say hello, happy secular holidays and I hope to ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 24, 2017:
Welcome, Ary! I'll be looking for you in the discussions!
What kind of posts do you prefer?
DangerDave comments on Nov 24, 2017:
"Get to know you posts", such as this one, are among my favorites. I also enjoy the intellectually stimulating ones. within and beyond the realms of our beliefs. My "bonus" lately has been fewer posts and much less harassment of myself and others by the idiot fringe atheists. (Some peace may best be enjoyed in silence...but you asked!)
I have this hippy soul that tears at me when i think about work, bills, propaganda, and consumerism....
DangerDave comments on Nov 24, 2017:
Awwww....I consider it in myself more hedonism than hippydom but I know how you feel. It amounts to the same though: working to live someone else's dream when you're just getting by and you find all the "stuff" they're selling as happiness is really worthless beyond food and shelter. I'm an artist so my escape is easy. It does wonders to dull the pain of the 40 hour week!
Why do people think that the Bible is and has the only source of "truth"? What is truth exactly?
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
In one word, indoctrination. But xians cannot agree on what this biblical "truth" means and, of course, this "truth" has no means of being empirically proven. Aside from the vast and varied philosophical debates the word elicits, "truth" can easily be described as "that which is real". The debate begins of course because few of us can agree on what "truth" is as we each interpret it differently using the only means we have: our very limited senses and intellect already fraught with individual emotions and past experiences.
Does anyone feel they are becoming addicted to this site? I pay attention to other people’s ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
Given the choice of this or Facebook at least there is some substance here, some "brain exchange", with like minded people. There are far worse addictions.
For the readers. What was the title of that first book which really turned you on to reading and ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
Dick and Jane...or whatever my first book was!
Hi everyone! You can tell me a good book about human psychology? About...feeling, emotions or... I ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
Care of the Soul - Thomas Moore The title is deceptive. Moore applies in depth psychotherapy to complex ethics issues using case studies and world religion allegory in an amazingly easy to understand narrative.
Do god and santa claus ever hang out with the easter bunny and the tooth ferry?
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
There is a tooth ferry? Does it carry fallen teeth across the river Styx? Would you suggest to said dead dentition to be sure to arrive on the other side before paying the ferry fairy? Notice while I'm playing on a misspelling I'm also creating a subjective mythology, also coincidentally subject to the "rules" of another mythology. Some mythologies, as previously stated, are based in objective reality but the details of that reality is usually lost as more is added to the mythos.
If you found out the Christian God of the bible was real, would you worship him?
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
The evil of the abrahamic god is evident in the acts of his believers: jews, xians, muslims, mormons, etc, etc...the sum total of this god has amounted to the most destructive forces ever unleashed in the world. Worship it? NO WAY!!! I feel my civic and ethic duty is to stand against it.
New to the group and just want to say hello. My main interest is theoretical physics. I am not ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
*awaits the din of the ignorant atheists on this site who attack agnostics with circular, too often repeated arguments about unproven science and Easter bunnies* Not yet? Not to worry. They will find you. And they will be greatly angered when you are not greatly impressed by the insightless ignorance they confuse with boundless intelligence. Gratefully their numbers are low...though atheists outnumber agnostics here most are decent people. I'm a writer, composer and graphic artist. You could say I deal in theoretical realities. That would make us something of polar opposite colleagues. Goodta meetcha!
What movies do you find inspirational as an atheist/agnositc?
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
"The Gods Must Be Crazy" is the first to come to mind.
Any one here a punk rocker? If so what bands do you like?
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
@Saramarie got my favorite classics but I'll add Blondie, Siouxie, The Cranberries... I feel Green Day did a lot to redefine Punk for the new millennia but it was pretty much all over the place already, from the "pop punk" of Avril and Paramore to rockabilly like Stray Cats and Hellfreaks to....you get the idea.
Assuming Jesus Christ existed, I find it unlikely that he died on the cross. In those days many ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
I strongly lean toward it never happened. The buybull itself brings us the several of the first discrepancies throughout the four gospels. This is very clearly a mythology, a folklore that changed over the course of mere decades and within just a few hundred miles. https://www.thoughtco.com/contradictions-in-gospel-accounts-of-jesus-crucifixion-250140
Ask any Muslim "you think you as a man, equal to a woman?". "Yes we are equal" he will replies. ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 22, 2017:
ummm, no, I won't ask him. I would offer him the truth about his fantasy, however. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm
Doubt
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
Facts vs Faith. Reality vs Fantasy. And believing in which god? Ask any of the abrahamic sects to start here and ask them to repeat the facts of their faiths. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
What businesses should we not buy from?
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
Walmart, Papa John's and McDonald's for proving beyond any doubt trickle down doesn't work. That's all the specifics that come to mind but I'm just doing my outright best to leave the smallest carbon footprint possible.
Does the context of a verse in a religious text really justify it?
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
"Context" arguments are for theists, really. Do you want to see the buybull in its actual context? http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Do you think all religious are equal?
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
Equal? Not in kill count. That's topped by xianity in recent, reliably recorded history.
What an atheist or agnostic like yourself would do if you live in a Muslim country that legalizes ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
If you are atheist (or of any other doctrine) and you live in an Islamic society this is my advice: Judge carefully the laws pertaining to being atheist (or of any other doctrine) in your locality. Hide in the religion as needed but still seek whatever change you are able without endangering yourselves. Do not become "charged with anger" as theists do. Always seek the sane solution. Otherwise live your life as you will and help others when you are able.
If you are atheist and you live in Islamic society. this is my advise: don't try to change ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
If you are atheist (or of any other doctrine) and you live in an Islamic society... this is my advice: Judge carefully the laws pertaining to being atheist (or of any other doctrine) in your locality. Hide in the religion as needed but still seek whatever change you are able without endangering yourselves. Do not become "charged with anger" as theists do. Live your life as you will and help others when you are able.
I posted the question," Should we educate or exterminate religious people?", on several social media...
DangerDave comments on Nov 21, 2017:
wow. I'm just pleased there aren't as many extremist agnostics as atheists. Although I do consider myself "liberal", if not radical. People who break laws (murder, child endangerment, harassment, etc) with religion as an excuse, use religion for personal gain to the detriment of others (every televangelist ever, etc) and those who use religious platforms for political reasons should all be jailed, as many (but faaaar too few) already have been. But yeah, there was an atheist who came through awhile ago who'd decided he wanted to go burn some churches. You two would get along nicely.
Paranormal
DangerDave comments on Nov 20, 2017:
Yes, I believe, have experienced and have learned to manipulate the experience in many cases. Some fall into the realm of the "paranormal" because current theories (psychological, neurological, social, etc, etc) to the best of my knowledge are as yet unable to explain these phenomenon. I do not necessarily associate these phenomenon with a supreme being but neither can I deny with any certainty they are not.
I don't know the ways of the Universe.but if a monotheistic God exist, he/she evidently has no ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 19, 2017:
This speaks of several theist theories, most notably Deism and some definitions of Pantheism. Google both those and you'll find related concepts as well. Enjoy the journey as well as the destination.
WHAT'S YOUR POSITION ON ABORTION ?
DangerDave comments on Nov 19, 2017:
I have no meaningful position on abortion because I'm not a woman. It's her body, it should be her business.
How open are you about debate?
DangerDave comments on Nov 19, 2017:
None for me thanks. I'm just here to meet like-minded people, as we are in many ways. We've had some "exchanges". I wouldn't call them debates. Then, we can accept each others' points of view and treat each other with respect.
do souls truly exists?
DangerDave comments on Nov 19, 2017:
All we truly know is your "soul", described here as "self", is a complex array of electrical impulses. These are often stimulated by hormones released by proper stimuli and by the drugs, drinks...even food you ingest. An eternal soul? I personally believe it doesn't matter. And isn't matter. That complex array of electrical impulses has to go somewhere.
Which last longer, Christian marriages or agnostic/atheist marriages?
DangerDave comments on Nov 18, 2017:
Christians (overall) 27%, Atheists/Agnostics 21% on the divorce rates but the rates of various xian sects varies greatly. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
3 main religions
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
I would have ticked "overly simplistic and often erroneous" had it been offered. For instance: "The purpose of these religions as in their goals were to allow human beings to be able to live together harmoniously with minimal hostility." Theists of those sects would have you believe it but it actually started as social engineering of the Hebrew tribes, then landless nomads. And if you're going to suggest the buybull represents a loving god proposing world peace you should read some of these: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
A lot of great thinkers here, much better than FB. Very glad I joined. Discussion without all the ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
Oh, the name calling and vapid arguments happen. Just like anywhere its up to you to decide whether to participate in, or even acknowledge, it.
How can one sin if they genuinely believe in the afterlife
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
Sin, repent, repeat. That is till you've been able to rationalize the behavior as "not sin", then go on to the next temptation.
Hello everyone This was my first day here and i probably ran my mouth too much. I should have lurked...
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
Its amazing the number of thin skinned atheists on Agnostics.com. There is a "block" button for the most offendable...and offensive. I'll personally "allow" them for a time, at least. Not only do newcomers need to be warned, I at times find them quite amusing in their single minded ranting. (They hate it when you compare them to fundamentalist theists, by the way.) I truly wish I'd seen your posts in question. It appears I missed a good belly laugh or a few. Regardless, be yourself here and, if someone has a well stated argument given in a civil manner, listen to it. Or not.
Have you ever been a Christian's pet project?
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
A few times. The most awkward time was when I dated a charismatic and went to her church to appease her. I was considering stumbling around, writhing on the floor, yelling gibberish and drooling with her and the rest of them but thought better of it. I never went back to church with her and, needless to say, that was near the end of that relationship!
Do you ever look at someone and just know they're a Christian?
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
Carrying a buybull usually is a dead giveaway...unless its a theistic satanist planning to burn it or read it backwards.
What's an example of UnIntelligent Design?
DangerDave comments on Nov 16, 2017:
I'll add putting the sewer too close to the playground. heh
What are your thoughts on "Pantheism"
DangerDave comments on Nov 15, 2017:
First, let's get some working definitions of the word: pan·the·ism noun 1. a doctrine that identifies God with the universe, or regards the universe as a manifestation of God. 2. rare; worship that admits or tolerates all gods. (source: Google dictionary) While I of course have no proof, I and predominantly 1. but I can accept 2. as well as many other rational possibilities of a supreme being. (Notice I left out the "benign" you often see in the adjectives. My "jury" is DEFINITELY still out on that one!) 1. If a being is omnipresent it will be in all things, matter and energy, and be a sum total of simultaneous existence throughout all time. If omniscient, which I would say is another prerequisite for omnipotence, It would be aware of all thought, emotion and even instinctual drives of all beings throughout the universe throughout all time, again simultaneously. 2. In this framework, I see the man made deities as existing in the thoughts and actions of believers. I see most beliefs are benign but all we need to do is watch the evening news to see the inhumane malignancy of the gods of the abrahamic sects...judaism, xianity and islam. The OT from the start is clearly a tool of social engineering created by a ruling class of a landless nation, loosely scattered nomadic tribes. To make this work, they ingeniously made one of its first lessons abundantly clear: "if you eat from the tree of knowledge, you die!" Lucifer, a Roman god also known as the Lightbearer, was an obvious choice for the nemesis of their god. Since then the vast majority of wanton "EVIL" acts have occurred as belief in almost every sect of countless millions of individual "cults"; or synagogues, churches and mosques. We see what they (and thus their gods, in my opinion) do in small groups and banded together in large theopolitical movements of millions. Consider our current war in the Middle East. We said we were going in retaliation for 9/11, to find Bin Laden. We're still there over a decade later. Why? There are many factors but one is to keep our dependency on fossil fuels going for as long as possible...till we run out or destroy the planet, which ever comes first... BUT...support of many believers of all the abrahamic sects is seeing this is all happening as a part of their prophecies, that they're all doing the right thing by killing the "godless" gentiles, heathens and infidels...to some, its actually bringing on the "end times". So yes, in that context I see their god in its true light...even beyond the imaginary deity who flooded the world and destroyed a few cities here and there. But it is FAR from omnipotent! A sad case in point: after fighting each other and everyone else with a different opinion for centuries, none ...
i used to date a Baptist girl. She never would have sex standing up. When I asked her why she told ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 15, 2017:
lol...roflmao...we of the teen underground in our SB community shared TONS of baptist jokes but I never heard that one! One of my all time favorites: A Southern Baptist and a Methodist crashed landed on a deserted island. The Methodist was terrified and said, "I don't think they'll ever find us. We don't have a radio or any way to send a distress signal." The Baptist just looked at peace and said, "Well, I make $400,000 a year and I'm a tither. My preacher is going to find me."
Am I alone because i believe what i believe? I am if i choose to be this way... Hmmm. Awhile back i ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 15, 2017:
I think we're all alone in what we believe. over 1800 sects of xianity and even those of the same sects will argue biblical interpretation. Beliefs are very individual...no two people will agree on every point. I began my religious exploration at age 15, when I discovered the counter culture of our predominantly fundamentalist southern baptist area. I did a lot of suggested reading, attended rituals and had many lengthy conversations on individual beliefs. I was curious but never felt a compunction to convert to any of their faiths. I already had the basic beliefs developing I still have today but I was enriched with knowledge and companionship. One thing we had in common was our acceptance of the beliefs of others, an antithesis of the evangelical theists most of our parents were. I've never been a "true believer" though I have leanings toward Pantheism. While I believe "gods" may be defined as the sum total of the actions of their believers it is apparent many sacred texts are contradictory, historically and scientifically inaccurate and often very clearly the result of Iron Age social engineering. Dogs and cats ruling the earth? It could happen...and may already have somewhere in this ancient, expansive and diverse universe.
Does a good relationship require 100% honesty?
DangerDave comments on Nov 13, 2017:
In my experience completely honest relationships are usually best, with exceptions. Relationships in which I kept BIG secrets were still good. I revealed most, was caught in some and if it didn't immediately ruin the relationship it soured the short life of it. Which brings me to an exception: when a "completely honest relationship" becomes a "where have you been, who were you with and exactly what did you do while you're there???" relationship its the most hellish relationship of all! Gratefully, most of my completely honest relationships have been of the opposite variety!
What created this me first generation?
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
VOTE and become politically active. Boomers generally suck, and I say so even though I am one! I am definitely not one of the rich though, or even well off, who are basically feeding off their own children as they ruin their environment and rob every benefit from them so even the best off of their kid as adults will be saddling not only their student loans for decades but all the corporate tax breaks for their entire, very likely short lives! Except, of course, the children of the 1% who, guess what? traditionally become the next 1% who are pulling the political strings. I just wondered what happened to us (boomers). Many of the very same Trumpiots who are blindly following the current political insanity into oblivion were once like me: supporters of a clean environment, equality on all levels, justice, honesty and the end of political corruption. I'm just glad I'm not among those who changed so dramatically and thrilled I never became a parent. I wouldn't wish this hellhole on anyone! No, they do not compromise. Not to sound demeaning but there needs to be a great increase in actively opposing these oligarchs on political, social and legal levels. Get active and encourage others to do so. This is your world now and you cannot let these ancient greedy tyrants continue to destroy it!
I like to pronounce New Age so that it rhymes with sewage.
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
It'd work in a punk or screamo tune!
Can Sex be Spiritual
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
I've never married and I've never been in a relationship where my mate would even consider it...unless it was with another guy. I could see her point but, alas, that didn't interest me at all! Still, yes, it happens as MsOliver pointed out very well. While you could term it "ritualized" I'm sure you could incorporate methods such as tantric sex, which I've found very spiritual, to groups where the union of the partner(s?) transcend(s) to a union to the universe. I was introduced to tantric sex in my teens by, of all people, a xian wicccan (don't ask me, she spent hours trying to explain the belief system to me) and I've since incorporated it in any LTR I've been in. Its a very uplifting experience!
Let's get to know each other better
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
I've been baaaaad about reading but my current I pick up from time to time is "The Re-Enchantment of Everyday Life" by Thomas Moore. I used to be an voracious reader but I've lately been into CRPGs of the interactive fiction varieties. I am primarily a musician so let me share my introduction and link from my question about music... "For my favorite genre, I've been a female fronted metal enthusiast since I heard Heart and Pat Benatar. Current faves range from rockabilly (Hellfreaks) and grunge (The Pretty Reckless) to melodic metalcore (Amaranthe) and symphonic metal (Delain) Metal (in general) which I became an immediate fan of when I heard Black Sabbath (Ozzy Osbourne's old band). Too many faves to mention but I will add Metallica is an all time favorite. Progressive Metal: RUSH!!!, Yes, Jethro Tull, ELP Novelty/Comedy acts: Weird Al, Steam Powered Giraffe "Power" Classical: Beethoven, Wagner, Stravinsky I can listen to and enjoy just about anything but, if its going to be repetitive, let's keep it in the dance club!" https://agnostic.com/discussion/2489/what-are-your-favorite-bands-performers-and-or-genres
The more time I spend on here, the more it feels less like a dating site and more like as social ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
Its a relatively new site and, as you see, they're working on it! I agree though...with the exception of just a few trolls its a great social site! Its good to have a forum of like-minded people. I'm interested in seeing how it grows and evolves!
The Clitoris is the Devil's Doorbell
DangerDave comments on Nov 12, 2017:
I don't know I'll bother to read the article, however entertaining it may be... ...but xian girls have known for years there is a loophole... https://youtu.be/j8ZF_R_j0OY
The struggle to find a partner...
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Some very good advice given here...my only addition is try to look at it as an adventure over a struggle. Try some of the advice given but get to know some people, as many as possible, before going out full blast for a partner. I've never been big on LTRs myself but still, my best mates I met when finding a mate was the furthest thing from my mind.
I have a theory of knowledge that I'd like to share and get some honest critique on. I think that ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Your theory fairly well describes the basics of Educational Psychology. However limitations go far beyond our senses and biases. There are several other factors involved which are neatly summarized in the first paragraph of the link below. You may find the entire article and some of its references interesting as well. Given the huge, varied and ever growing amount of information to process and the great variances of how it is processed, and why, results in the great diversity (and chaos) of humankind. Myself as an example: my studies in education and psychology were undertaken solely as a means of gaining a degree in orchestral music education as a fall back career. Some decades later I find I've retained much more about music than any of the social sciences. Now, some decades later, I've forgotten more about music than most people ever know. History, dates, composers' pets' names...I've retained what I feel is useful to me (theory, composition, etc) and left the rest by the wayside. A lot of "data" is shed not because it is untrue but because it is unimportant to the individual. On your final sentence, I wish! Most people, and I'd say especially theists, have no compunction to learn new things beyond possibly work skills, hobbies and the like. And challenge their beliefs?!? Forget about it! I personally agree with you though. To me, when you stop learning you stop living. And if any incoming data results in a change in my universal view, so be it. But, as our greatest minds continue to redefine the universe in terms I won't pretend to be able understand, I find no real compunction to understand the workings of the universe but instead stand in wonder at the diversity and complexity of it all. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_theory_(education)
Being 99% certain that any god does not exist does not make a person's belief that the existence of ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
I definitely have a problem with degrees of certainty. Certainty, to me, is an absolute. You are or you aren't. Semantics aside, that leaves me with probabilities, which I am much more comfortable with. From an absolutely existential standpoint, I have no way of absolutely proving I am sitting here typing on a keyboard. From a realist standpoint in the only reality I know, I am certain I am indeed sitting here typing. So, by slightly amending your original statement, I can agree with it: "[Believing there is a 99% probability] that any god does not exist does not make a person's belief that the existence of god is unknown and probably unknowable." It's not a belief I share but I do agree there are some who do. The second statement I take as an axiom, at least when I refer to myself. Overly simplistic perhaps, but I like to keep things simple. I don't have such an ego that requires I have a multitude of labels, as well.
When do you find sex the most enjoyable?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
While I'm breathing? Seriously that's a hard one. (pun intended) There is the electric excitement of the first time or a one night stand, the continued explorations of a longer relationship and the sensual familiarity of a long-term lover. I always enjoy sex! To me, its like pizza: even at its worst its still pretty good.
What are your views on D/s relationships?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
With consenting adults, why not? Rragnaar explained what is commonly accepted as a healthy D/s relationship. Sadly, that is not the case for most but I'd much more readily call those abusive relationships. There are a lot of misconceptions about D/s relationships, propagated by much misinformation such as "Fifty Shades of Gray", the book before the movie. I've never been a 24/7 practitioner, nor would I ever care to be, but it has added some serious excitement to several of my relationships!
Religious and the non religious
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Generally I get along with theists. I do so with the understanding that even their liberals are evangelical by nature, supporting missionaries who trade food for faith to the starving. I can't see anyone active in their abrahamic sect faith as harming no one. Even at their most harmless I find them delusional. I just have to take a "I don't want to know" stance to their beliefs and resulting behaviors. It keeps me sane, with very few conflicts with those who "know not what they do".
Should the U.S. Army allow Turbans, Hijabs, Beards, and Dreadlocks?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Coming from a military family I know traditionally the uniform should be just that: uniform. While I was not of the ilk for such conformity I can clearly see the need for it as part of instilling the unit mentality. I also see a danger of such religious identity causing unrest in the ranks. Even as an agnostic I'd take issue. Imagine the disdain of strong theists of other abrahamic sects. The "me" in my 20s would suddenly have to "convert" to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and demand I be allowed to wear a colander. A specially designed bulletproof one at that.
Anyone a fan of multiverse theory?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
This question was recently asked. I'll share my answer with you here and give you the link to the previous question. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter as well! "I not only entertain the notion, I apply it to my art. "There", not only distant worlds can have various sentient beings and varied "paranormal" phenomenon (which, in other realities would be considered quite "normal") but these can coexist simultaneously in the same space and time. Do I believe it? I'm not certain but I do feel it has much more probability than any "substantial" existence if the judeo/xian/muslim god. I do, however, find it quite entertaining and could be a valid (though hypothetical, of course) explanation for many unexplained phenomenon including hauntings, UFOs and strange creatures sightings." https://agnostic.com/discussion/2813/who-agrees-with-the-theory-of-multiverse?aid=25064
How long do you think Trump can wing it before he fails miserably?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
I'm completely surprised and utterly disgusted he's made it this far...or that he was even elected...or even nominated for that matter. And he still has a 34% approval rating? AND already considering reelection?!? Sadly, this could go on for some time. Never underestimate the power of large groups of stupid people.
Excluding sex or bathing, what activities have you done naked?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 9. 10, 11 at home, in clothes optional areas and nudist resorts. I'll add performing, watching performances and movies, playing video games...I'm sure there's more.
What would you tell your teen self if you could go back?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
A LOT of things but in this forum the most important would be: Do NOT bait your family and friends into debates about how their religion is bullshit.
It's my observation that a lot of people use religion to justify hurting others in one way or ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Not all ignore that part. Ever hear of Westboro Baptist? The KKK?
So, do you need God to shift responsibility and claim God ordained it, or will you say, whatever ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
"You" as in me, an agnostic or "you" as in "them", meaning theists? I think in both cases the answers are quite clear. Not in all cases, of course. For a fundamentalist theist there is always "the devil made me do it".
We can now argue that we're more ethical since we don't get our morals from the Bible!
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
hehe...did you see this part of the SAB? Just a little...taste... And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.--Dt.28:53 http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html
How do most people handle being surrounded with religous hypocrites?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
Avoid them. It was hard growing up surrounded by them but I survived. I read a lot then became immersed in creative arts. Not that all were hypocrites. Some genuinely tried to live by the strict standards of southern baptists, especially the women. Moreso, avoid arguing with them! That's created an insurmountable divide between my family and me. By the time I was 15 that meant we discussed only the most mundane things (never religion or politics) but the "distance" never closed. If they're being hypocritical toward their own beliefs, such as many of the men in my family and their friends who were heavy drinkers, oh well! I actually found those were the best times to be around them!
What are your thoughts on fanatics?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
I have a lot of religious friends on FB and none, as yet, have harassed me about my beliefs. Some have asked out of curiosity and some have gone as far as "lite evangelism" but these have been very brief and seldom repeated. TRUE fanatics such as the KKK and other far right conservatives are dangerous...VERY dangerous. Likewise, to possibly a greater degree are the buybull thumping, Trump following, climate change denying, war mongering, bigoted ilk who want to see the world end so their nonexistent redeemer will come save them...these are the truly dangerous people...such as my strange and estranged family! But telling you you'll go to hell? Tell me, do you really feel threatened by that? I'd be merely amused.
What's your thoughts on prostitution?
DangerDave comments on Nov 11, 2017:
I totally agree. Research shows there is a dramatic decrease in sex crimes where prostitution is legal. (see article) Also the vilification of prostitution by abrahamic sects (judaic, xian, muslim. etc) was largely unheard of before the advent of these cultures and were clearly aimed at the control of women by church, state and men. Even in polytheistic Roman culture prostitution was accepted in a flourishing, enlightened society. While this is just one factor, it is interesting to note when the Roman Empire became "holy" Western Civilization entered the Dark Ages. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/legal-prostitution-zones-reduce-incidents-of-rape-and_us_58c83be1e4b01d0d473bce8a
Ghosts, spirits, or apparitions. Do you have any thoughts on the subject? I have met some ...
DangerDave comments on Nov 10, 2017:
Remnant energy of the deceased or projections from other dimensions only some are attuned to and able to observe? (Mass) hysteria or delusion? An effect of our collective unconscious? There are many possibilities for such manifestations and, from the sheer magnitude of well documented unexplained phenomenon and personal experience, there is clearly "something" "there". We may never be able to fully explain or understand these "abnormalities" but their existence is irrefutable.
Where do you fall on the Dawkin's Scale of Theistic Probability?
DangerDave comments on Nov 9, 2017:
I have to go with #4 but my definition of "god" is quite mutable. I don't define god so much as a "supreme being", but as a "sum total of all matter and energy in the uni/omniverse", with said energy also containing the collective consciousness of all beings, regardless of our measures of intelligence. I lean towards Pantheism (obviously) but I honestly can't say its an even 50/50 split. In a universe of infinite possibilities I'd say its more like 5/5/4/4/4/4/3....
My religious/gullible mother blames me for my ailments. Advice?
DangerDave comments on Nov 9, 2017:
To a believer any ailments or misfortune to befall a nonbeliever is caused by "gawd" but, in the case of a fellow believer its the work of the devil. Its ingrained...no arguments, however well or gently expressed, will be accepted and may be met with outfight hostility. My early arguments (along the age of 12) were a main reason for permanent rifts with most of my family, including my mother. It took several years for us to just agree to disagree and not speak of religion but, by that time, the damage had been done. My only advice is to reach that "agree to disagree" point as soon as you're able. Live your life as you will and strive for happiness. If she's evangelizing or seems genuinely interested calmly state your stance but avoid arguing. A contributing factor was my choice of a hedonistic ("sinful") lifestyle as a very active local metal musician, when I started meeting like-minded (or at least understanding) people. I'm sure most of my extended family (most active fundamental southern baptists) to this day are sure I'm in league with the devil! Its ok, I have a new "family" now!
Does absolute truth exist?
DangerDave comments on Nov 8, 2017:
"Truth is after all a moving target Hairs to split, And pieces that don't fit How can anybody be enlightened Truth is after all so poorly lit" Neil Peart from "Turn the Page" My best answer using some of those lyrics I wish I'd written. Short answer: I do believe an absolute truth exists but it is far beyond the bounds of human understanding and probably always will be.
Who agrees with the theory of multiverse?
DangerDave comments on Nov 8, 2017:
I not only entertain the notion, I apply it to my art. "There", not only distant worlds can have various sentient beings and varied "paranormal" phenomenon (which, in other realities would be considered quite "normal") but these can coexist simultaneously in the same space and time. Do I believe it? I'm not certain but I do feel it has much more probability than any "substantial" existence if the judeo/xian/muslim god. I do, however, find it quite entertaining and could be a valid (though hypothetical, of course) explanation for many unexplained phenomenon including hauntings, UFOs and strange creatures sightings.
If religion never existed... (finish the line)
DangerDave comments on Nov 8, 2017:
"...the world would live as one"? A great sentiment but I find it improbable. Humans, among their many varied traits, can be altruistic through nihilistic; not only as a race but exhibited by most individuals, often within a span of minutes. I'd like to think we'd be kinder to each other and the environment. Also that we'd strive for greater understanding and achievements. Sadly, if we didn't have religion to wage war over I'm sure we'd find something else. Like power. Wealth. Oil. The true "holiest of holies".
Social Stigma Around One Night Stands
DangerDave comments on Nov 8, 2017:
My only response is this: I want the 70s back. I REALLY want the 70s back.
What is one material thing that you wouldn't want to live without?
DangerDave comments on Nov 2, 2017:
One? My instruments. It'd be like deciding on a favorite child.
Inspirational/Antidepressant Songs for Agnostics/Atheists?
DangerDave comments on Nov 2, 2017:
Sorry I've not gotten back to this question...or site...or web in general...but "real life" issues have had me so busy lately. I hope I can find an alternative to the 9-5 grind again soon! I have a full weekend planned as well but I want to get to everyone's input and listen to everything I've not yet heard, as well as add a few more myself!
Being a new found Agnostic, i would appreciate any advice or wisdom from fellow Agnostic peers.
DangerDave comments on Nov 1, 2017:
You've got some really good advice here. The only thing I can add is: don't worry about it! I drove myself to depression as a younger man, even as a non-believing child in a fundamentalist southern baptist home and area. At the age of about 12 I was met with disdain by all of them when I immersed myself in the studies of philosophy, the paranormal and the occult. Be at peace knowing even our greatest minds throughout history struggle with these very same enigmas. Surely any benign deity would make itself known to all of us if that were it's intention. And beware those who "know", be they theist, atheist or anything in between. They are furthest from a truth none of us are able to ever completely understand.
Should public nudity be legal?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
In a perfect world, or even a more tolerant one. Not merely religious but current social standards come into play (though those are largely affected by religion). In most American public situations, men would be seen as perverts or predators, women as vain or "asking for it". I'm a naturist at heart and visited several naturist resorts throughout Florida when I was "snowbirding" there. The sense of freedom and community was wonderful!
Would you consider yourself a Humanist?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Definitely, and I'm a priest of Spiritual Humanism. Being that Humanism is a philosophy "a doctrine, attitude, or way of life centered on human interests or values" * it is not a belief system in and of itself.
Hey everyone thx for answering my first question. My next my next question is, after doing 3 tours ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
To answer your first question, rarely. Most sects of xianity only see other xians as good people and several...hundred, I think...other sects, or denominations, only see those of their own sect as good. On the second, of course not but the indoctrination of especially those of evangelical faiths are that they ARE superior, the "chosen", and it is their religious duty to indoctrinate others.
What's the most surprising fact you learned about the religion you were born into, that wasn't ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
That people actually believed it, because I never did.
What things make you happy?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
My current pastime is Agnostics.com (I really need to get back to my instruments. They're getting lonely!) Female Fronted Metal (Heart, Pat Benatar...The Pretty Reckless, In This Moment) Winter (now that I live in Las Vegas!) Midnight, predawn Too many movies but let's go with Repo: The Genetic Opera Game of Thrones Nova Usually fiction That's plenty...no need to add anything. Your turn, Victoria!
What is the definition of Art, and what is the definition of Entertainment? How does one separate ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Like Beauty, Art and Entertainment are in the eye of the beholder. For each of us, all art is not entertaining. From catching the eye or mildly interesting you to fully immersing your imagination, art then becomes entertainment. Art in and of itself is an expression of the artist. As an artist (performance, literary and visual) what I consider my best, most cerebral, works are entertaining to smaller groups. On the other hand, a three chord song with a straight beat, an "uncluttered" visual work or a simply stated narrative usually engage a much wider audience. That's because most people aren't interested in in interweaving, complex harmonies or story lines when they come to a club or festival...or even a museum or college. The artist who wants to entertain must apply the KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) principle as needed. Still, when asked, I want to be described as a (performance) artist over entertainer. While I do carefully tailor my shows to specific audiences I am "displaying" my art, an integral part of myself...the viewer can then decide if they are entertained.
Should children be constitutionally protected from a specified list of abuses including ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Talk about Utopia! Of course they should be protected but its not going to happen in this society, at least in no foreseeable future.
Was Jesus a real person?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
"Jesus" was a common name of the time but there is absolutely no historical source of such a religious leader by any name in that time and area outside the buybull. They were under Roman rule at then and the Romans were excellent record keepers.
Does anyone know someone that was an Atheist or Agnostic and then became Christian?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
No, though its a staple of televangelist shows. But then there was a time women who married or had sex with satan were too. For either I'd want evidence with a LOT of supportive data...and still probably not believe it.
How many agnostics, atheists are out there who actually want to date another agnostic/atheist?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
I've found a huge rift in (beyond casually) dating theists. Even when we've "agreed to disagree" there is that huge, gaping rift of core beliefs we always just wound up never discussing.
Three days new
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Welcome Sunny! Yeah, this site has become my new "FB" in just a week. Most of my FB friends are theists so it only stands to reason.
Do (negative) emotions serve a greater purpose?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
If you can overcome, learn and grow from them.
Why are minorities in the U.S. so religious?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
I think the primary reason is the hope of an afterlife and freedom from oppression, poverty and bigotry. The same empty promises are a large part of the swift rise of islam among the impoverished all over the world as well.
Which major world religion do you think is the worst and why?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
If we describe the worst as the most destructive xianity wins hands down. As we denounce the atrocities of islamic terrorists they've beaten them on the kill list exponentially since 9/11. Take a tour back just a few of centuries and xians destroyed every indigenous culture on the Western Hemisphere while enslaving those from much of Africa. All the way back to the inception of the Holy Roman Empire...what xians have done to everyone, even their own, makes them the mass murdering mythology award winners of all recorded human history.
What are your views on bible stories?
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Even if they're "good" moral stories they are still tainted by the faith and too liable to be used for indoctrination. Besides, there are plenty of similar moral fiction for children that in no way could be construed as factual. That is, I have yet to hear of a single instance where Aesop or Mother Goose were declared deities.
I was raised a fundamentalist from a young age. At ten, I was baptized into the ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 29, 2017:
Have you tried offering them cookies? (Of course you can't actually let them HAVE them.) I am glad you survived these ordeals. Mine were bad but pale by comparison. I don't know how "deprogrammed" you are but, even years after I escaped (2 years in a Southern Baptist junior college, still 10 years before the internet and a few more before the site went up) I found great solace in the Skeptics' Annotated Bible. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
Should marijuana be legal everywhere? all drugs?
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
Yes to marijuana...and I'm so happy I moved to Nevada! Not only have no real issues have arisen from legal pot, the tax revenues in legal states have skyrocketed! I am both a recreational and medicinal user, though I don't have the medical card. The pains of my early onset arthritis as well as normal physical and mental stress just go away with my usual hybrid. Sometimes I will get a sativa (higher THC content) which is a serious boost to creativity for me. Breaks from both don't adversely effect me. Its been almost a month since my last purchase and, while I can easily afford it, I'm sitting here debating if I want to go on a run. ALL drugs?!? NO!!! Cocaine, heroin and certain psychedelics maybe (and ONLY with adequate treatment and counseling available, as in Denmark). Crack, meth, even regulated "designer" drugs? You can't treat someone who might die or suffer permanent damage immediately.
If corporations are people, how has big pharma NOT been charged with genocide/mass negligent ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
That was in the news just this morning. Lawsuits from some states are pending!
As a dyslexic agnostic insomniac, I often lay awake at night wondering if there is a doG!
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
Bwahahahaha...thanks, I needed that!
Agnostic vs. Atheist?
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
First, congratulations on your recovery! I'm well past 16 years now myself and it was the best decision of my life in that it saved my life! How can atheists say god doesn't exist? Its pretty easy...first they open their mouths... Just kidding but I've been astounded by the variations of atheists here. Agnostic atheists?!? Seems as much a contraction in terms as theist atheist to me. But I have discovered since I came to this page I am an apathetic agnostic. I don't know if a god (or gods) exist(s) and I really don't care. In recovery, as an artist and as a human being I am a priest of Spiritual Humanism, meaning I recognize the spiritual nature of humanity. We have yet to find quantitative measures of creativity, empathy, emotions...not to mention the paranormal...oh wait...I did! What many people fail to realize is the "para-" is a derivative from the Greek "along with", such as paramedic or paralegal. Yes, there are phenomena "along with" what we consider to be "normal" and opinions of our greatest minds are constantly changing and adding to what is considered normal. And no, you won't know till you die, they can't know till they die and one of the greatest mysteries of our being is that none of us truly can. Those who say they know are delusional. I made a decision in recovery to lead a good life, though that can be debated...as if I care! Still, I no longer take advantage of people or situations and have made amends with those I have harmed in the past. I sleep well at night and I am generally a happy person by day. Not knowing so much about so much isn't even part of the equation.
Should a candidate's ability to keep his/her religious beliefs to him/herself be a litmus test for ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
What is and what should be...of course they should be removed. But the religious currently rule this country and that is unlikely to change in the near future. You might remember the xian extremists' rants Obama wasn't xian, implying anyone who ran for the office had to be.
Is the "self" something real? or it just a kind of special awareness? Many philosophers and ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
This may be over my head but I'll do my best. I have no idea how the existence of self can be denied. From a purely existential stance the self is all that exists. I am aware I am sitting here typing a reply but is it only that "awareness" that exists? From a realist standpoint self can be reduced to a series of electrical impulses in our brains. I won't even go into the spiritual aspects. Even a novice such as myself could write volumes. Could you expound on the concept of the non-existence of self...in layman's terms please?
I am struggling with life right now and it makes me doubt my spirituality all together. Has anyone ...
DangerDave comments on Oct 28, 2017:
Several times. Growing up agnostic in a fundamentalist xian family and neighborhood made me doubt my views many times, and led me to the conundrum "what if they ARE right?!?" more times than any child should ever have to experience. Since, the times I struggled with spirituality I found the core in some internal conflict of ideas or ideals. Thankfully one such struggle led me to sobriety. I've had many struggles since: financial, emotional, disease to near death but all these have since seemed to make me stronger spiritually. I'm not sure what struggles in life you are facing but I suggest you clearly identify and confront them. I further suggest get with family or friends you trust to discuss these struggles.

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