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I'm an atheist and anti-theist -- not an agnostic -- who has never believed in religion, despite being brought up in a Catholic family. I consider myself a natural born atheist. I reject mysticism, supernaturalism and magic-based thinking of all kinds. I dislike religion intensely -- the phony history, the appalling theology, and the repugnant practice of religion. I pull no punches with anyone about that. I identify with and support modern atheist activists, like Richard Dawkins and others, who take the fight to religion, call it out, and challenge it openly. I think this is the way 21st Century atheism should go. I also care no more for so-called ‘New Age’ religions than I do traditional mainstream religions. So, that kind of rubbish will get you nowhere with me

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Are many alien fantasies just atheistic/agnostic substitutes for religious deities? More often ...
David1955 comments on Jun 20, 2018:
Well, Carl Sagan said that UFOism is where science and religion truly meet. You have the universe, science, with aliens with wonders from "above" coming down like heavenly creatures. Of course he didn't mean to be a good thing. I agree, but I sure would like to know the explanation of all those mysterious things that people are filming in HD in droves now with their mobile phones, something that didn't exist in a quality form even a decade ago. Any reasonable terrestrial explanation is welcome. Instead the authorities have given up blaming the planet venus, meteors, and the usual suspects and just ignore the events hoping no one will notice. Never A Straight Answer NASA just edit their feeds and whistle Dixie, again hoping no one looks. When the events are witnessed by whole cities and the big media is deluged, they make a big joke of it, or bring in laughing boy Neil DeGrasse Tyson to do his "it ain't nothin folks" routine. Well, fine, and I don't jump to unfounded conclusions, but I still would like a goddam explanation for the stuff that people see, photograph and film.
What do you say to someone that insists that "God"
David1955 comments on Jun 20, 2018:
"Say goodnight to the folks Gracie"
You know who your real friends are when you decide who gets the honor of driving you too and from ...
David1955 comments on Jun 19, 2018:
Had one of those about 3 months ago. All was good, but they won't be dragging me through that anytime soon. You'd think they would find an easier way, really. It is a great topic for dinner conversation, right? Yeah, right.
I'm a better Christian than most Christians and I'm an atheist.
David1955 comments on Jun 19, 2018:
Lest we forget, Hitler was a Christian. He went to enormous effort to get the spear that Christos believe pierced the side of Christ, believing it had power properties from his blood. Science has now shown that it is from the middle ages. My point: calling oneself a christian means nothing by itself.
Hey @Admin - thought I'd let you know the site went down at 11:10 pm EST. (or so). Watched chat get ...
David1955 comments on Jun 19, 2018:
Yes, me too, got a bad gateway message, no entry. I thought, that's a first. God's had enough and is fighting back. :-)
The Trump Foundation.....
David1955 comments on Jun 18, 2018:
Honestly, I hear the phrase "NAME + FOUNDATION" and I would to send in lawyers and forensic accountants, honest ones, to gut them through. Gates Foundation, Clinton Foundation, Trump Foundation.....you name it. Rich assholes accountancy tricks and schemes, the lot of them, I suspect.
I stepped outside my comfort zone and said "Hi" to an attractive lady at Starbucks today and a bug ...
David1955 comments on Jun 18, 2018:
Probably the basis of a good relationship. You just need to get the bugs out..... Oops, well, you know what I mean. :-)
Ok, here's how the "likes" alerts work... for those who keep asking if the reason they can't view ...
David1955 comments on Jun 18, 2018:
That's interesting. The dreaded deleted message used to slightly annoy me, but now I take it in my stride with a "whatever" attitude. Guess I'm the same about the whole blocking thing. How does the song go? Oh yes, "you can't please everyone so you have to please yourself."
How many of you find it difficult to contain "displeasure" around people who are overwhelmingly ...
David1955 comments on Jun 18, 2018:
Most difficult. But I won't initiate a dispute unless they try it on with me. I don't feel the need to be aggressive in that way, knowlng from experience that with the very religious it is a pointless exercise, usually. That said, I have a 21st Century atheist attitude and will challenge any assertions that I have to respect people's religion. Like the Star Ship Enterprise I am well armed and defended, but I won't fire first, and if fired upon I won't back down.
Is Atheism a belief system? The knee-jerk reaction of an atheist is “no of course not. It’s...
David1955 comments on Jun 17, 2018:
Atheism takes some faith? Your wordy post is based on false assumptions, which to me as an atheist, means to damn atheism with faint praise. Atheism is an absence of belief in God or Gods *because of total lack of evidence for such a claim.* No leap of faith required. Come back with evidence and we'll reconsider it. This is an old argument here, restated in different ways: atheism as a kind of faith. You must be joking. This is a site for non believers of religion, not just agnostics. Choose to be here or not, but don't let the name affect your choice. I certainly don't. I find the agnostic position myself to be grossly inconsistent. Agnostic about the God I grew up with, functionally atheist about all other Gods? No thanks. I agree with Bertrand Russell: the position is problematic at best. If you are an atheist as you say, be it proudly here on this site. But spare us an argument that it is based on faith. Thanks
Internet rules and laws: the top 10, from Godwin to Poe Top of the list is Godwin Law which makes...
David1955 comments on Jun 17, 2018:
Do you feel that you do not yourself transgress Danth's Law on this site, Middle?
Does anyone feel better now that Trump claims to have "solved the problem" of North Korea? To me ...
David1955 comments on Jun 16, 2018:
Read an article today somewhere that captured it perfectly. The title was something like, Time to say it as it is. Trump is a Traitor. It is time to say that. Russia, North Korea, and even China, despite his trade threats -- he's betrayed the US to all of them. Don't know what the real story about Trump is - compromised asset, spy, sympathizer, crook, grifter -- but I hope we find out one day. Might we hope that Mueller will put it together and lay it all out.
Not sure if this question has been asked previously but what is the site's position on people who ...
David1955 comments on Jun 15, 2018:
In agreement with you. This issue is a recurring one here, has been since last year: Should believers be allowed to join. Site policy is that no one is excluded if good behaviour is practised, including believers. I didn't join to do battle with religionists either, but I respect the site policy. Seems to me there are lots of places they could be where non believers would neither wish to be nor be accepted. Personally, I like the idea of this site as a refuge from the religious world. Others have a different view. Moreover, it is fact that what is meant by "believers" here is open to definition. An obvious definition of someone who believes in religion doesn't cut it. Factor in new age spiritual types who claim not to be religious but sort of are, and so-called secular religionists and alike, as well those who claim to be generally or "currently agnostic" but unfortunately display noticeable residue religious leanings in their posts and comments, and you soon realize that the lines of what it means to be a believer here can be blurry. I can only say I don't waste my time here on overtly religious believers. I could waste my time in the real world doing that if I wished. I don't wish.
Does observation alter an event?
David1955 comments on Jun 14, 2018:
Those quantum mechanics people I think are on to something. I've noticed that the more I look at my humble finances, the more they disappear. Einstein was right: spooky.
"Humanism is the transformation of this Christian doctrine of salvation into a project of universal ...
David1955 comments on Jun 14, 2018:
No, I think humanism led to the transformation of Christian doctrine from fundamentalism to Christian humanism, supposedly and theoretically (though questionably) practised by modern Christians.
Let's pretend we're wrong and a supernatural diety shows up on earth! What three questions would ...
David1955 comments on Jun 14, 2018:
How quickly can you apologise for all your sins of omission and inaction? How quickly can you leave and not come back? Don't forget to forget to write after you've gone. Ok, the last one is not a question but my first two covers it.
Eighty years ago, on September 30th, 1938, an aeroplane landed at Heston Airport in UK. The prime...
David1955 comments on Jun 13, 2018:
Thank you oh thank you for making the same connection, as I did. President Chamberlain Trump, being played like Adolf played the then British PM. Fools and dictators, the same old story.
I'm wondering about this Jesus thing, He was born and it was celebrated and they still celebrate it....
David1955 comments on Jun 13, 2018:
Here's the truth about Christian religions: They focus as little as possible on the 'real' life of this person they call Jesus. What do they focus on? Christmas, his birth, and Easter, his death. Look at Hollywood movies, which Monty Python exploded perfectly. The life between they discuss as little as possible, for two reasons. First, they don't want to acknowledge, even to themselves, how little can be known for sure. Secondly, the more they are confronted with their Jesus as a person, like a human being, the more the son of god thing seems ridiculous. For example, some have speculated that the illiterate 18 year old Joshua (later 'Jesus' ) may have worked as an unskilled laborer (not a carpenter) on building sites in cities needing labor. (1) So, the creator of the universe in human form worked as a cement mixer in the first century AD. Imagine if his workmates had known that. Ridiculous. That's why only serious non religious historians only talk honestly about the real life of this person. And that's why Christianity avoids the subject as much as possible. And that is if you believe in a real historical figure at the centre, which I don't. (1) Riza Aslan writes about this in his book about Jesus, Zealot (2013 ?)
I just read that in the USA, Water became the most consumed bottled product in 2017. Here is Oz I am...
David1955 comments on Jun 13, 2018:
Don't know about your water Rugglesby, but ours has the nice of flavour of chemicals in it which I can do without, so for drinking I use the spring stuff. Buying by the bottle is just crazy expensive. Never touch coke, both the illegal white powder type, or the sugary poison sold in bottles. I'm an iced tea guy. Make it myself, real healthy like. Delighted to share these tid bits of information with you (probably to put you to sleep.) :-)
I just want to thank all of you. Today not long from now I will be a level 8. It's been a long 67...
David1955 comments on Jun 12, 2018:
To level 8 in a little over 67 days. Good grief! What do some people do here? And you have 31 posts. I don't spend time worrying about the points system, but sometimes I wonder about how it works.
In a recent post, a member suggested that we Doxx another member of this community because of what ...
David1955 comments on Jun 12, 2018:
Really, Middle, you have got to desist from regarding yourself as the social conscience of this community. How many posts have you had recently about blocking, members treating other members and so on. You're like the James Comey of this community, a touch holier than thou. This is a community of adults. We can take care of ourselves. Please rethink it.
I have just received a reply to my "Greeter" message from a new member @loveintheair. His profile ...
David1955 comments on Jun 12, 2018:
Reading that my "Danger Will Robinson" sign started up.
Faith... is it good?
David1955 comments on Jun 12, 2018:
The problem with 'faith' is that it is used in two different ways. As pointed out in responses, one meaning is belief in something without evidence, or indeed despite the evidence, as in the case of faith in Jesus even though there is a lot of historical study showing the real Jesus, even if he existed, was little like the story, and the story itself was largely made up. Faith as in belief without evidence based on unproven authority. This is bad. However, people also use faith in a different way, as a synonym for "hope". Someone might say they have faith in something happening or someone doing something. In this case it means hope based on some knowledge of the situation. Doesn't mean it's always right, but it is based on something, knowledge or experience, not blind faith based on false authority, a strong hope based on that. It's like you might have faith in your doctor. It's not blind faith in him or her, but a faith based on experience, knowledge, and confidence in their abilities. Religionists sometimes claim non-believers have faith in things too, like science or a secular world. Perhaps we do, but it's faith as in hope, and its based on reality and ultimately on knowledge and reason. Religious faith never is.
Did anyone else ever fantasize about creating a community of non-believers? I’ve envisioned a ...
David1955 comments on Jun 11, 2018:
Why would you include Vincent Bugliosi? I'm not aware of any secular views of his. I am aware very much of his legal clean up work for the US Establishment, specifically the Robert Kennedy assassination, and his Manson Trial tale of deflection and misdirection that he maintained right up to his death.
Did anyone else ever fantasize about creating a community of non-believers? I’ve envisioned a ...
David1955 comments on Jun 10, 2018:
Throw in a nearby beach, reasonably priced massage, and free streaming services and I'm in.
T-1000 pts and counting to L8 rapture. That is all. :D
David1955 comments on Jun 10, 2018:
I am surprised at you Middle, that you would be motivated by such things as points and levels (and shirts.) I honestly thought you beat to a higher drum. So, you're mortal after all. Well I'll be. :-)
Why is water wet?
David1955 comments on Jun 10, 2018:
You Sir are just full of interesting information. Thanks. We should call you "The Professor" like in Gilligan's Island. As I recall he knew everything.
'Special place in hell': Trump's top advisers accuse Trudeau of betrayal
David1955 comments on Jun 10, 2018:
Perhaps there's a special place in hell for presidents who sell out their country to dictators.
It was all so much simpler back then
David1955 comments on Jun 10, 2018:
I think it's done like this in North Korea. Perhaps Kim the crazy will unfriend Donald the orange looney.
Name one thing you want to try in the bedroom.
David1955 comments on Jun 10, 2018:
Breakfast. (Everything else I've tried, one time or another) :-)
The Atheist movement has changed since the days of Christopher Hitchens (hallowed be his name). This...
David1955 comments on Jun 9, 2018:
We will get nowhere appeasing religion. People have the right to practise their religion, providing it is not a murderous or racist or whatever cult, but we have the right to challenge, challenge, challege.
To all my friends here, I hope you all know that is a pleasure to have met you and my life has ...
David1955 comments on Jun 8, 2018:
I think this site is a work in progress. That's part of the interest for me, watching it evolve almost from the beginning. Members leaving doesn't concern me. Some I think make a personal connection if they have been looking for that, and activity on the site is less important for awhile. Or maybe it's life pressures. I don't know. I think this site is a little refuge from the believers world too, though some think we spend too much time talking about religion. I don't agree. We don't know how the site might evolve. I remain hopeful.
Favourie Bond & Favourite Bond Movie Theme
David1955 comments on Jun 7, 2018:
Forgot to mention before that I find Daniel Craig a sullen humourless Bond and I wish he would move on. The last Bond movie he phoned in, in my opinion. Poor movie. Christophe W waisted talent, Monica B a Bond quickie, and a poorly edited effort. Another Craig Bond would be a mistake. They do that, let me make one too many. Roger M said that about his last. Connery too. I fear they will, but a mistake IMHO.
Favourie Bond & Favourite Bond Movie Theme
David1955 comments on Jun 7, 2018:
Sean. You Only Live Twice.... (or so it seems. One for yourself and one for your dreams..) Remember when Bond themes used to stay with you forever... "And he strikes, like Thunderball.." "You only live Twice" "Goldfinger... He's man with the midus touch... "The Spy who Loved me.." "To LIve and Let Die.." I remember the themes and lyrics in my head. Anyone remember the theme from the last Bond, or the one before that...? Yeah, I thought so. Me either. To any female members who think Bond is a misogynist dinosaur, I agree with you.
Mike Pence is such a suckass
David1955 comments on Jun 7, 2018:
He could end up being President Suckass. President Fundamentalist Suckass. There's a nauseating thought.
What constitutes evidence? proof? Part 2
David1955 comments on Jun 7, 2018:
I think this is interesting and helpful in reviewing how we reference external sources. There is clearly a difference between referencing external links - articles, news stories and alike - which in effect is a reference to supporting *opinion* and external reference to studies and quantitative data which may be judged as supporting *evidence*. Obviously the former can be personally agreed or disagreed with, while the latter can be questioned or challenged as accurate or objective evidence. Clearly this is a discussion forum, not an academic forum, so there is always going to be a fair amount of mish-mash of fact, opinion, allegation, and a bit of bluster as well. But compared to a lot of web forums it is interesting how many posts here include references to external sources, a least an attempt to support a view or opinion. But, I agree that we should be mindful about the way we reference 'evidence' in support of opinions. I can think of occasions here when I have included some news links in support of something, and someone else has looked for articles with an arguably opposite view and back they come at me. I realised it was a clash over selected opinion pieces. An interesting post.
What are your top 3 current favorite TV shows?
David1955 comments on Jun 7, 2018:
- Billions - an utterly morally and ethically bankrupt show, a perfect reflection of the economic rationalist weaponized capitalism fashioned since the 1980s, but well acted and written. - Westworld. Flawed but interesting. - The Americans. Sadly just finished. Brilliant. - add Star Trek Discovery. Flawed but interesting.
So.....what is the BIG deal with the chat rooms? Nobody seems to use them. Not even the very vocal ...
David1955 comments on Jun 6, 2018:
As far as I can see, the chat rooms work for members in US time and not really those of us outside the region. Not a complaint but just a fact about the time zones.
Dave Allen: God's comedian: [youtube.com]
David1955 comments on Jun 6, 2018:
Genius
So, my religious neighbour asked me out to lunch last week and I went, with the stipulation that we ...
David1955 comments on Jun 6, 2018:
Could it be that her religious faith isn't as secure as she pretends, and what she really is looking for is a way to deal with it, and who is she going to talk to, her religious buddies? There's been a few believers like that on this site too. They say they are religious but like talking to atheists and agnostics. Wonder why? Ask her directly Maybe she'll come clean. Just a thought.
An old friend of 50 years has become a person of extreme religiosity in his old age. I have told ...
David1955 comments on Jun 6, 2018:
Ooooh, that's a tough one. The lines have to be drawn and respected or the situation can't continue. What you have said is more than reasonable. From my experience, when this happens to someone you have known, it's like they are not the same person you knew; they are, but the mental processes are different. Sometimes there is self correction when the religious rush wears off. Either way you have to stand your ground, long friendship or not.
<rant> I don't know if this will matter a hill of beans at the end of the day (don't you love ...
David1955 comments on Jun 6, 2018:
I am also in agreement with you. The issue can be raised, and people be encouraged to think about it, but in the end it's a personal decision with that right, whether applied judiciously or not. I've never blocked. I don't know if I've been blocked, and I'm not going to lose sleep over it. What else is there to say.
Teleporters I was having an odd but fun conversation the other day and thought I'd being it over ...
David1955 comments on Jun 5, 2018:
I remember the Riker episode. So then there were two Rikers to have sex with every alien women in the galaxy. Oh nice! One curious thing about this transporter business: potentially immortality. I forget the episode and series (not TOS) but it was when they found Scotty in a transporter pattern buffer in an old ship and he had been there 70 years and so and out he came to help save the day. Well, you could be stored forever and reformed from time to time, it seems to me, so long as nobody turned the buffer off. So, not just transportation but permanent storage as well. There you go.
I think once a year, all blocks should be reset. After all, I can't imagine most people who do ...
David1955 comments on Jun 5, 2018:
I can't believe I'm actually writing this, Middle, but I actually agree with you. Just goes to show there's a first time for everything, right? :-) Seriously, I haven't blocked either, but I think an automatic unblock might be taking the power away from those who feel they have, or had, good reason to block. Perhaps your suggestion can be taken that members who have blocked, annually, or from time to time, review the decisions they have made. I remember early in my membership feeling very annoyed at one member's comments, I won't name him, and though I didn't block I decided to ignore him, but over time I can see he's a good fellow. Had I been the blocking kind I might have done so, and that would have been a mistake. Just my two cents worth.
TV or not?
David1955 comments on Jun 5, 2018:
Too restrictive a choice: - live TV, no, only some news services, largely foreign; - reality TV - never! - local TV, no very rarely now; - stream quality shows I choose very carefully, yes; I make TV work for me, meaning I take from it very selectively, only what I want, so neither fine with nor couldn't live without;
What is probably one of the most stupidest superstitions you’ve ever heard?
David1955 comments on Jun 4, 2018:
A horse shoe for luck. I have one in my garden, btw. My total failure ever to win anything in a lottery would rather suggest there is little merit in this belief.
Why don't atheists like showing respect and kindness toward God believers? Why don't God Believers ...
David1955 comments on Jun 3, 2018:
I don't think I care very much for these assumptions as questions posts. Atheists don't like showing respect and kindness (really?) for believers. Well, as an atheist, it depends on each believer I might meet. There's not a blanket policy. Also, I wouldn't just make a judgement based their belief. A lot of factors might apply. As for the reverse statement, well I think the same diversity applies. It is I think truer to say that a lot of atheists don't care to show respect towards religion, and for good reasons. We are not obliged to, and decline to do so. Similarly, many believers display negative attitudes about atheism, I think because the growth of more strident atheism scares them, and the growing secularism in the west. But these are attitudes towards the positions and movements, not blanket attitudes to all individuals.
What do you find most ridiculous about worship?
David1955 comments on Jun 3, 2018:
People walking around with a human figure nailed on a cross around their necks. "He died for your sins." What? Crap. What if we atheists walked around with a figure of a woman who'd been stripped, dragged through the streets, and then cut into into pieces and then burnt, around our necks. "She died because of Christian stupidity and fear of science." What? Fact.
Firebrand atheists
David1955 comments on Jun 2, 2018:
I prefer the term atheist activist, or anti-theist, but if someone wants to call me a firebrand atheist, then fine with me. I certainly distinguish myself from agnostics, passive atheists, so-called apatheists, and 'I don't believe in religion but...(I still hold a candle for religion because I can't let it go)" types. So, be outspoken and forthright. There are more and more of us.
I used to enjoy dystopic books, TV, movies. Now I feel world-weary and I don’t need any more help...
David1955 comments on Jun 2, 2018:
Totally agree. The constant stream of dystopian content now feels more like a strategy by power to makes us feel fatalistic about a future where the world is ruined, the elite have all the power and money, and all we can do is pathetically and ineffectively struggle against it. They've turned this on its head. Dystopian material used to be a kind of warning about the future. Don't let this happen. Now, it's about acceptance. The future's lost. Corporate fascism. Techno fascism. Dog eat dog in a climate destroyed world. I don't buy it.
Its Saturday night, whats everybody up to?
David1955 comments on Jun 2, 2018:
streaming my favourite TV shows and a movie or two. I work weeknights, so i only have weekends.
27% of American agnostics believe with certainty there is a God compared with 23% of European ...
David1955 comments on Jun 1, 2018:
Another reason I'm pleased to be able to say: Me, atheist. Belief in God/s - none. Why? No evidence. Have evidence? Make an appointment. Bronze Age heresay not acceptable.
Conservative and Libertarian Athiests
David1955 comments on May 31, 2018:
For me, atheism and progressive political, social and economic agenda are inextricably linked. I ask, if one's atheism is rooted in a belief in science, reason and evidence based values and humanism, then how can one accept a society of gross economic inequality, tolerance of prejudice and discrimination and injustice of any kind? Were I to be a political conservative, especially a reactionary conservative, I would have a case of cognitive dissonance so bad my head would explode.
I never understood, even when I was an Evangelical, how christians loved warmongers and ...
David1955 comments on May 31, 2018:
I feel compelled to add here that should be careful to avoid the Jesus the preacher of love and goodness and all that stuff myth, which has more or less evolved post Enlightenment in parts of modern humanism influenced christianity, a take which is hardly consistent with the bloody, repressive and authoritarian bulk of christian history. Exactly what the real Jesus said, if there was one, is highly speculative, and may have more militaristic and political than is realised. I for one refuse to buy into any of these Jesus the prophet of love and peace myths, as this character is more like an concoction of supposed sayings created and added to over thousands of years. The love and peace blurb of the modern christian message, as far as I can see and from what I have read, stems more from the influence of humanist philosophy on this religion, not that christians would ever admit it. For most of its history christianity has been synonymous with war, oppression, class power, and authoritarianism. When I hear christians rambling on about christian love and brotherhood I'm inclined to say, "With your history? Give me a break. "
I never understood, even when I was an Evangelical, how christians loved warmongers and ...
David1955 comments on May 31, 2018:
Big subject but essentially the fact is there is little connection between anything that the real Jesus said, even if he existed, which is debatable, and a great deal of modern Christianity, especially evangelical christianity, which is more a modern right wing moralistic regressive anti-modernist movement which tags itself to this vague historical figure they call Jesus. Truth is, most christians, including evangelicals know little or nothing about their so-called Jesus, other than simple statements and hollywood type biblical history, which is worthless.
More important to me that people understand the way that I k as opposed to being defined by labels ...
David1955 comments on May 31, 2018:
And all Gods too, everyone of the thousands believed in by people, not just God singular and the Christian God in particular. This is an important point for any agnostic to acknowledge. I like your position on the evidence issue and agree totally. But for consistency it does have to apply equally and fully to all gods, ancient and modern, as well as the tooth fairy etc, and not, as Bertrand Russell wrote, just be an implied atheism on all Gods that one may not care about, but agnostic on the one God we do know and grew up with.
"What Do You Know About The Separation of State and Church?" Thank you for taking the test, and ...
David1955 comments on May 30, 2018:
Eric Idle of Monty Python fame put it well once when he said "I'm a strong believer in the doctrine of the separation of Church and...Planet!"
Theists aren't alone in assuming an unquestioning belief in a comforting illusion. It's something ...
David1955 comments on May 30, 2018:
The difference though with religion as a comforting illusion is that it develops into religious organisations, which preach morality, sin, guilt, teach children rubbish, pursue political aims, usually reactionary politics, have office holders and celebrants who have power and influence over others, and generally, with rare exceptions, do little to advance the world in positive ways. So, some comforting illusions are harmless and maybe foolish but theism as an illusion is anything but harmless.
Morality is Very subjective, As an individual you decide what is Moral. This is why we have laws to...
David1955 comments on May 30, 2018:
I think you meant subjective. I don't know about laws to decide perfect morals. I could go out and have sex with a different woman every day and be as promiscuous as can be and many would judge me immoral but there's nothing illegal about that, providing the sex was adult and consensual in all cases. Morality would be matter of opinion here but not related to the law. Many people work in professions, areas of business, that I think are immoral, like finance where they treat people badly and exploit them and get away with legal cheating, but it's still legal. I think it's immoral. So, yes there is subjectivity, but laws to define perfect morals? I don't think so.
Anyone seen Star Trek Voyager Episode 8 "Emanations"?
David1955 comments on May 30, 2018:
Where science fiction meets pseudo religion, and afterlife emanations. Voyager was never a big hit with me. Some great episodes with Q, notably "Death Wish", which had huge implications for the universe (it's finite) the Q Continuum (they can die, aren't omnipotent and are flawed) and humanity (Qs have interfered with us). But emanations was the kind of pseudo religion they put in ST after Roddenbury died and I never liked it myself. Just my view.
Atheism or agnosticism is not another kind of religion that it requires constant preaching And we ...
David1955 comments on May 29, 2018:
Not sure what "constructive works" means. A progressive social and economic agenda to fight prejudice? Not sure. A lot of us are past being angry about religion as you put it, and now seek to actively oppose or at least challenge it. Being tolerant of religions and religious practice was the approach of atheism in the 20th century. It failed, spectacularly, as the rise of monotheistic extremism showed us all. I'm an atheist who believes in marrying atheism to a progressive political-social-economic agenda. Not all atheists would agree. But a lot would.
I just saw the new Star Wars movie, Solo. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I was not impressed with...
David1955 comments on May 28, 2018:
I think it's called franchise fatigue. SW movies work best when we identify with characters pursuing purpose. Like Rogue One, which was excellent. Solo is a self serving character, interesting but only when other characters around him have ideals and purpose. Making him the movie was a mistake in the mythology that people identify with.
Atheist humor
David1955 comments on May 28, 2018:
Indeed. I wonder what "God" might think about modern Evangeli-hypocrites?
I really don't believe in any God in anything not even myself or this life if there was a God "God" ...
David1955 comments on May 28, 2018:
Theists say about comments like these that you do really believe in God but are just angry at him for the state of the world. I'm not saying that about you but I'm sure many theists would. So, since there is no cosmic god to solve the world's problems, the frustration we feel about the world is really about our failure to create a fair, just, rational and non religious world. Religion is just a distraction to the improvement of the state of the world. They are not part of the solution - charity bandage efforts aside - as they don't help to change the systems that create so many problems. They are obsessed with sexual morals, and the afterlife, and controlling people. So, my point is we need always to be clear about whom we are angry at and why, and the guilty parties are not in the Cosmos. They are right here in front of us.
Who created God?
David1955 comments on May 28, 2018:
There's only one logical answer: a bigger more powerful God..and an even bigger more powerful God created that God and..........
I just turned up - hello!
David1955 comments on May 27, 2018:
Welcome from Adelaide. The more Australians the better.
So what is your most hated song of alltime? The one that you have heard so many times that you just ...
David1955 comments on May 27, 2018:
"Memories" by Barbara Streisand". It's like chalk scraped across a blackboard I tell you.
Saw the new Star Wars Solo movie today. I liked it. That's all you get. No spoilers ?
David1955 comments on May 27, 2018:
I fear that Disney will suck every drop of life out of this franchise until it's barren and lifeless, like they did with those silly Johnny Deb pirate movies. It's what they do. They start off ok, and then they wring it dry. I predicted it when Disney bought the rights. I further predict that they will reduce SW to family mush in the future. It's in their DNA.
Hi there. Thank you for letting me join this group. Sounds awesome and can't wait to have some chats...
David1955 comments on May 27, 2018:
Well, we didn't exactly let you in. It was more like you jumped in, like all of us. :-) Anyway, good to meet you. Kind of wondering why someone from north Hollywood would be here instead of watching all those alleged movie stars in the neighbourhood. ;-)
If I die and the God of Islam is there for a reckoning and asks me to accept him. I think I would ...
David1955 comments on May 27, 2018:
Something I like to pose to Christians is, " What if, when you die, you discover that you picked the wrong God? It's the Islamic God, or Jewish God, or Hindu god, or Apollo, or the God up the coconut tree you are facing? What would you say? 'Sorry, I was wrong about you but I did at least pick a god' ". Usually they say like, oh but mine is the one true God! But I tell him they chose one God out of several thousand, and while those odds are not as bad as lotto, there are still not good. And I don't think God would cut them some slack because they bought a ticket but it was wrong. You know I've discovered believers don't like these kinds of questions, they really don't.
Alan Bean, moon-walking astronaut and artist, dies aged 86 - BBC News
David1955 comments on May 27, 2018:
I know I'm old fashioned, influenced by growing up in the 1960s, but astronauts are still heroes in my book. They sat on top of those guided slowly released bombs, known as rockets, and got the job done. It's a great shame that the courage they showed has not been matched by effort and determination since that time to pursue exploration. I believe in interviews these guys express this view as well.
Pope Francis
David1955 comments on May 27, 2018:
Pope made a comment just recently to a gay guy that God "made him that way" and loves him. The guy felt better, but the logic is off, as usual. So, God intervenes to make some people a certain orientation! Well, why didn't God tell his precious church instead of millennia of moral condemnation and persecution? How come it's still a sin, Pope baby, because officially it still is, doorstop interview and cuddly photo-Op sessions of the pope aside. Like all politicians, work the room, get a photo, look for the headline, pretend to placate different parts of the catholic constituency, and hope no one looks to see what's really going on. But don't the mainstream media love this stuff; another Pope Frank headline that means nothing, and another grateful weepy progressive Catholic on the telly.
Noise cancelling devices
David1955 comments on May 26, 2018:
I wish there were a noise cancelling device attuned to the Trump frequency.:-) That said, I would like to buy one of these headphones but they are always so expensive. I have doubts the money is justified.
Pope Francis
David1955 comments on May 26, 2018:
The Pope is a religious politician and everything he says "on the run" should be treated with great skepticism. Nothing he says off the cuff about atheists, gay people, or anything else means a scrap. Only official Catholic policy and practice counts. And that never changes from its reactionary, moralistic, judgemental stance.
Whether you're agnostic or not, what are your thoughts on reincarnation?
David1955 comments on May 26, 2018:
An unproven idea, as religious ideas are. But make no mistake the concept in practice can be anything but a nice idea. It's a short step to believe that people are born punished in some way, while others are born privileged, as karma and reincarnation are entwined. Buddhist cultures are known for this. I know, I've lived in one. Purists will say that this is a distortion of the true meaning. Religious nonsense is always dismissed as a distortion of true meaning. But a theory is only as good as it is in practice. Reincarnation is just another reflection of human desire for life after death. If it's not heaven, it's reincarnation, or, as some new age types believe, we die and reform in another universe. Sure. Like all these ideas they distract us from the present.
How long have you been/were you agnostic?
David1955 comments on May 26, 2018:
0 - 12 pretend Catholic, hardly pretended. 12 - present, Atheist. That's it.
Are you a friendly or unfriendly, atheist or theist?
David1955 comments on May 26, 2018:
My direct answer to this is I am by definition an unfriendly atheist, being an anti theist. Personally, I'm a friendly atheist, unless religionists get in my face, whereupon they discover quick smart how unfriendly I can be.
Are you a friendly or unfriendly, atheist or theist?
David1955 comments on May 26, 2018:
What didn't you as a proclaimed agnostic asked this about agnostics or non believers generally? Or are agnostics by definition always friendly, so the question doesn't apply.
Are us atheists becoming evangelical and close minded? If we are we become as bad as all the ...
David1955 comments on May 25, 2018:
A lot of things mixed up in this post. Atheists should be clear and confident and engage on the issues. That's not evangelical. Not close minded. Not the same as "other religions". Atheism is not a religion. Recruit? No, connect, yes. As for the aliens, I'll leave that to the qualified science members. But no contact does not mean no aliens. Turn around time even at light speed is slow. Maybe they are there but not advanced. Maybe they are on their way. Maybe they are wise enough to keep the hell away from us. Who knows?
Now that we've more than 300 groups, it's time to come up with a list of categories (e-hem, ...
David1955 comments on May 24, 2018:
Might we separate Politics (as in current issues) from Political Philosophy, possibly Political Philosophy (Progressive) and Political Philosophy (Conservative). Avoids ambiguity with words Liberalism and Conservatism. Just a thought.
Your move, Atheists.
David1955 comments on May 24, 2018:
Well a lot of atheists have said this Pope is full of s--t, when you get right down to it.
Thoughts on "things happen for a reason"
David1955 comments on May 23, 2018:
I am obliged to agree with the comment from @LadyAlyxandrea "It was meant to happen"; "Everything happens for a reason."; "It's all part of God's plan"; "It is written"; "It was just fate". All these and similar reflect the human brain, our propensity to see patterns, no matter what, and to explain everything in terms of predetermined cause and effect. God - universe - plan - my little bit in it. Some substitute God with universe, or cosmic thingamy, or whatever so as to feel non religious. We can all do this in our troubled moments, shuffling through our mental mind maps that we've created from experience, to make the absurdity of life seem explainable.
My bio vanished. POOF. WTH???
David1955 comments on May 23, 2018:
Can we get Mr Mueller to look into this? Russians, I tell ya.
Why is there so much anger here?
David1955 comments on May 22, 2018:
The directness and adamance of position as @Slappy_Longarms nicely put it, is a reflection of the determination of many of us not to let the religious and religions kick our ass, as you phrased it.
I recently went from Christian to Atheist as things just made a hell of a lot more sense as I ...
David1955 comments on May 22, 2018:
Congratulations on avoiding the agnostic step on the way and landing fully on your feet. :-) Seriously though, it must represent a big change in your outlook and views. I hope the transition was not too difficult. This is good place to be.
What happens when we die?
David1955 comments on May 22, 2018:
“I believe that when I die I shall rot, and nothing of my ego will survive. I am not young and I love life. But I should scorn to shiver with terror at the thought of annihilation. Happiness is nonetheless true happiness because it must come to an end, nor do thought and love lose their value because they are not everlasting. Many a man has borne himself proudly on the scaffold; surely the same pride should teach us to think truly about man's place in the world. Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cosy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigour, and the great spaces have a splendour of their own.” Bertrand Russell What could I say to improve on that.
Daves Unite! I made a group for people called Dave, or David. So far I am the only member! 9 ...
David1955 comments on May 22, 2018:
Not a Davidian cult I hope. Read something about that somewhere...didn't work out so good. :-) (From a David)
What are your views on meaningless sex?
David1955 comments on May 21, 2018:
Woody Allen once said that sex without love is a hollow, shallow, empty experience, but, as hollow, shallow, empty experiences go, it's one of the very best. :-)
Interact with the right kind of people.
David1955 comments on May 21, 2018:
So, if I come across people who want to talk about great people who talk about visions and ideas -- writers, scientists, philosophers, intellectuals -- I should avoid them? I think I'll decline thanks.
Love is the answer. Love yourself. Love your neighbor. Love your family. Love your friends. Love. ...
David1955 comments on May 20, 2018:
Well yes, but some money to keep a roof over your head and avoid starving to death also helps, and from experience even the most loving people don't give it away. Sorry, but my 1960s illusions have all but disappeared through the reality of the world.
To the frustrated & the offended. Perhaps remaining distant from political or controversial topics ...
David1955 comments on May 20, 2018:
The site is what it is, the rough and the smooth, and I've come to see it that way. It's as diverse as the non religious community, and as unified and fractious as well. That dynamic is what makes it unique. From the beginning I have read comments from time to time from those saying it should be more like they want it to be. But the truth is this site is whatever we want to take from and contribute to it. I do just challenge the assertion in the post that the main reason for the site it dating. A main reason for some, I would say.
How long did it take you to go from agnosticism to atheism? For me, it took 9 years. (I was very ...
David1955 comments on May 20, 2018:
I skipped the agnostic step. I remember reading Bertrand Russell's essays on the subject as a teenager and felt his thinking was as insightful as anyone. I still do, and I've read a lot. The agnostic position is simply problematic to me and I've never adopted it.
Now level 7 yea! Actually don't care, but I am the guy that wears atheist t shirts whenever I go to ...
David1955 comments on May 20, 2018:
I've just had a new idea for a Tshirt. It will read "DavidLaDeau wears atheist Tshirts whenever he goes to town" What do you think?
It appears the main stream centrists and right wingers are getting happy and comfortable with Trump,...
David1955 comments on May 20, 2018:
I think if Michael Avenatti ran as an independent he might win. Otherwise I'm a Bernie man. (Pity I'm not American).
Is Trump a cult leader? Reza Aslan talks about Trump and his Evangelical followers: [youtu.be]
David1955 comments on May 20, 2018:
Mr Aslan is not one of my favourite people, I must confess, due to his thinly disguised apologising for Islam and its extremism, though he does seem to be a decent fellow in interviews, but there's a filament of truth here. He's hardly the first person to say it either. It's not just the evangelicals either. The unwavering support of Trump by everyday folk, about whom Trump couldn't care less, despite his appalling character and attacks upon them in his policies, is very much like a cult. They fell under the Trump cult spell. They aren't thinking with their rational minds but their emotional minds, like religionists and cultists do. So, the usual political criticisms don't work on them. It's just like in a cult where the cult leader takes their money, lies and peddles nonsense, and screws them over, literally and figuratively, but to the followers he's their spiritual leader and whatever other people say about him is wrong. Cult followers have to outgrow that dependence. It'll be the same for many Trump supporters. People never like to admit they were wrong and others were right.
Folks, do you know the two most vicious lies of religion?
David1955 comments on May 20, 2018:
The honourable poster of this question does realise, I trust, that he is preaching to the converted on these points, I hope. (Sorry about the religious cliche.)
Does anyone here like to correct grammar, spelling or punctuation? I just hate when the only comment...
David1955 comments on May 19, 2018:
I would just point out the difference between pedantic nit picking, which can be petty, and the person might be doing the best they can, we are not all Shakespeare, and cases where honestly I just don't know what the hell some are saying in a post. Brevity is good but not when the meaning is obscure. The opposite is long and rambling without a clear point, or a point I have to deduce. I don't criticise on either as I don't think it builds good rapport here, but I do often think it reading some posts.
Music streaming
David1955 comments on May 19, 2018:
Currently using Spotify, but looking to see what the new YouTube combined video/music paid service premium will be like, as I would like to have YouTube without ads but I won't pay for it without music included.
There is no objective reality. There is only an objectionable reality. Discuss.
David1955 comments on May 19, 2018:
Whatever we think reality is, we still have to just deal with it. That includes religion.
Six months on the site. Looking Back How the site has evolved since last year! So I ask ...
David1955 comments on May 18, 2018:
Just a follow up comment about how interesting the replies have been here. It's quite moving how some have noted how the site has helped them through personal challenges and struggles in various ways. It's a sanctuary for me too. I hope @Admin are pleased and even proud of that fact. They started the site for motivations known to them (I'll use the plural, but I'm not sure if that's right) and now can see how important it is for so many in various ways. If this site suddenly disappeared without trace a lot of people would suddenly find an empty void in their day and life, including me. May the site only get bigger and better, but never lose its uniqueness for people like us. And I know there are a lot more like us out there. We just need to connect more. Thanks to all.
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