God must be very busy with 2 trillion known galaxies in the universe with billions of planets in ...

David1955 comments on Feb 16, 2018:

Isn't it really true that they don't exactly how many galaxies there are, and the number keeps going up. But don't think about the galaxies; think about the billions and billions and billions (channeling my Carl Sagan here) of planets and so on that must be there. But never forget this: No matter how many billions and trillions of things God has to keep watch over, he is never too busy to worry about what you are doing in your bedrooms! :-) (Apparently, according to his religions)

Is the idea of calling someone atheist strange?

David1955 comments on Feb 16, 2018:

Wasn't it Stephan Fry who said famously if people didn't make up a whole lot of ridiculous unproven things we wouldn't have to waste time saying that we don't believe in them. Very true.

Trying to reconcile a quandry

David1955 comments on Feb 16, 2018:

I think it goes to a basic question as to why a religion like Christianity is seemingly inherently conservative, politically, socially, economically, and culturally. That includes regressive attitudes towards creating social and economic equality. To those who shout at this, I ask how many Christian organizations do you immediately think of as progressive? Christian political parties - conservative; Christian social groups - conservative; Christian representative groups - conservative. Catholic Church, evangelists etc etc -- conservative. Odd, since their supposed founder 'Jesus' was a zealot, apparently, who challenged authority - according to their myth. In my view it has nothing to do with their history, but with the religious mind, which retreats into conservative, anti progressive thinking. Why is something I'm still researching and reading about. Psychology and neurology, I think.

Where's your god now?

David1955 comments on Feb 16, 2018:

It's events like these that reminds me that according to the religious God believes in Free Will, and that's why we should pray for his guidance ... (What?)

Will silvereyes ever run out of poignant questions?

David1955 comments on Feb 16, 2018:

She's a wonder of creation (in both senses). I do note, however, that her eyes appear to be blue and not silver. (I'm observant like that).

Do you tend to lean towards nihilism?

David1955 comments on Feb 15, 2018:

Yeah, a bit, honestly. Facing the stark realities of life can have that effect. I keep it in check.

What’s one of your funniest church experiences?

David1955 comments on Feb 15, 2018:

When I was a kid we went to the Catholic Church, small town, only a short distance from our house. We had a little bitsa of a dog, terrier type, smart as a wip, called Ringo.( Hey, it was the 60s). We'd lock in him, sort of, but sometimes he'd get out, and being Sunday morning he'd know we were at Church. More than once, half way through the Mass, Ringo would come darting into the church, sniffing his way down the isle, until he found us, to the amusement of the congregation, and the priest, who on one occasion said "Just in time for communion I see Ringo." :-)

Six U.S. intelligence agencies warn against using Huawei phones

David1955 comments on Feb 15, 2018:

Yeah, watch it, the Chinese will spy on you, just like the NSA........say what? (Dave, the Americans are the good guys, remember? Oh yeah, I forgot that....)

How do you change you profile from agnostic to athiest. I’m done playing make believe.

David1955 comments on Feb 15, 2018:

Just a question. What was it that brought about this change in your position? Was it the end of a process of thinking about the issue, or was there a final argument or proposition which influenced you? I am seriously interested, as there is a lot of discussion here (sometimes a little spirited) between agnostics and atheists. Thanks.

Always a party going on in Thailand! For two days the air has been filled the noise of exploding ...

David1955 comments on Feb 15, 2018:

Next get ready for Songkran in April. How to drown in the streets when it's incredibly hot and not a drop of rain. Now that's one to avoid. What a country!

Name several cultural assumptions that have tripped you up when traveling, either coming to the US, ...

David1955 comments on Feb 14, 2018:

From a Former Expat to a Current Expat in Thailand, I must say leaving all western cultural assumptions behind for successful living in that country is essential. You go from usually a culture of false black and whites to a culture of vast shades of grey. How I miss it.

How do you change you profile from agnostic to athiest. I’m done playing make believe.

David1955 comments on Feb 14, 2018:

You've made my day! Certainly make sure you change your profile.

My daughter is 8 years and insists that she is a Christian.

David1955 comments on Feb 14, 2018:

Wow that's a switch! Usually it's parents that impose religion on children, something I think is wrong. Interesting for you to see if she changes over time. A tricky one for a parent. As long as there is discussion going on that's ok.

Why can’t religious people understand that atheism isn’t a religion?

David1955 comments on Feb 14, 2018:

I totally, completely, absolutely, fully, comprehensively and overwhelmingly agree with you! If there is one thing that really blows wind up my skirt it is that comment from religionists. It shows that they understand neither religion nor atheism. And it's a put down that I have heard from religious people far too often.

What's your dream job?

David1955 comments on Feb 14, 2018:

I'd like to do what Dawkins, Krauss and Harris do, in promoting atheism on a global stage. Happily spend my remaining years contributing to that, if I could.

I read a book this past year which has really affected the way I think about religion.

David1955 comments on Feb 14, 2018:

I've read similar ideas in articles and in chapters of books on atheism, and I find this psychological and neurological aspect of religious belief interesting too. I'll also check this book out. Thanks.

I'm coming to the realization that there are many liberals here.

David1955 comments on Feb 14, 2018:

Yes, I think you're right. Generally speaking, though not exclusively, non believers in religion are also progressive thinkers, or what you call liberals. It kind of goes with the territory. Not surprisingly.

How to respond to the "God is energy" belief/claim.

David1955 comments on Feb 14, 2018:

This falls into the area of what I call New Age pseudo religious piffle, waffle and drivel that abounds amongst those who like to think they are too hip and cool for ordinary religion, so they indulge in a kind of half-assed science and religion combo. Some of it here too. God is a Creative Process; God is a universal energy constant; God is a spiritual flow; God is a universal awareness...etc. Some people fall for this kind of stuff thinking they are a bit 'sciency' and bit 'up there' spiritual. You push this stuff and it's same old religious crap camouflaged with bad science. Some authors in atheism have really exposed this stuff. As they should.

Anyone believe in luck?

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

Based on my lottery tickets over the years, my answer would have to be in the negative. :-<

Israeli police find 'sufficient evidence' to indict Netanyahu on corruption charges - CNN

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

Good. As long as that man is around, you can forget about the prospect of any peaceful resolution.

What are you most passionate about?

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

The pursuit of a rational, scientific, socially equitable world free of mysticism, supernaturalism, and religion.

Just started a group for spiritual atheists. If that's you, come by and join us!

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

Spiritual Atheists?"......Ooooohhhhkaaaay. Hey @silvereyes. You asked earlier about biting one's tongue? Here it is :-)

How often do you self-censor? Is it hard to bite your tongue?

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

Yeah, when I read new age religious nonsense posted here I bite my tongue usually. Let it go, Dave, let it go, I say to myself. Same goes for some right wingers here too.

How many of you are introverted?

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

Well I fall into the introvert category, and yet I've long thought this psychological distinction is at best simplistic and at worse flawed. Critics will say that predominantly people fall into one category or another. Perhaps true, but people can indeed exhibit different personalities depending on the situation. Look at some comedians. They can be very introverted but when doing comedy become something or someone else, quite the opposite And extroverts can shrink in certain situations. I'm not a psych expert, but I don't think we should pigeon hole ourselves based on this division. I think I did too much when younger, and I think it was a mistake.

Do you think your birth order has impacted your personality?

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

Yeah. I am the youngest of 4. Two older brothers and one older sister. No wonder I'm a wreck. Never had a chance. And they're all kitchen Catholics, too. Well, there it is. Anyone got Dr Phil's number? :-)

If you were given the chance, would you like to stay a certain age forever?

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

29.Old enough to be respected, but not yet middle aged. (Now if I could get my carbon "stack" and find a group of 29 y o "sheathes" , or whatever it is, I'd be set); 29 is also a good age to be for a male in terms of, well, let's just say, libido, and leave it at that. :-)

Does anyone here believe in post death existence OTHER than religious afterlife?

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

I meant before to post a link about Robert Lanza's book, should anyone be interested about that. ( I previously noted I don't believe his conclusion). http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/is-there-an-afterlife-the-science-of-biocentrism-can-prove-there-is-claims-professor-robert-lanza-8942558.html

Should atheism be taught in schools?

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

I wish young people were taught about the factual history of religions, like any history course. But you would never get an approved curriculum on that. None of the parties would ever agree. From my experience, the more people, both young and older, know about the real history of religions, the more likely they are to see through the claims of religions.

Ghosts are as mythical as God but what if an atheist believes in Ghosts.

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

Strictly speaking an atheist, if applying logic consistently, doesn't 'believe' in anything without evidence. So since there's no evidence for ghosts (US Ghost shows notwithstanding) then there's an inconsistency in approach. You might tell your Aussie mate that, tactfully. (Big fella, is he?) :-)

I am curious of anyone here that reads this, what brought you here.

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

I joined thinking it was too good to be true. But, actually, it's not. Of course I'm still waiting for helicopters with flood lights to descend on me at midnight and drag my ass of to Geronimo Bay or somewhere for 'enhanced interrogation.' Something to look forward to.

There has been discussion of an atheist can be "spiritual".

David1955 comments on Feb 13, 2018:

It's a word that means everything and nothing, and that's the problem with it. Some people like to impress others with talk about how 'spiritual' they are. It's a sort of boast, a way to impress. "I don't know if I'm religious, but I'm spiritual." Right... Sorry, but I don't buy it, and I'm inclined not to let people get away with using it. For example, your statement that spiritual is from within, not from without. I have no earthly idea what that means. Sorry.

What are you here for?

David1955 comments on Feb 12, 2018:

I joined primarily because I wanted to have contact with and exchange ideas and views with nonreligious people of all kinds, something that is hard for me to do regularly in the real world. The other things are secondary.

Believer Bashing?

David1955 comments on Feb 12, 2018:

If you are referring to activity on this site, it is called agnostic.com, clearly for the non religious community, primarily but not exclusively. If believers can't stand the heat, then they should stay out this kitchen. They choose to be here. Go onto a religious site and spout atheism and see how well you are received.

How much of a heretic are you?

David1955 comments on Feb 12, 2018:

Perhaps the site should have been called Heretic.com? No, the agnostics would have gone ballistic. :-)

Does anyone here believe in post death existence OTHER than religious afterlife?

David1955 comments on Feb 12, 2018:

Reading the responses here, and thinking about this subject generally, I suspect there is a bigger number of people in the non religious community that keep in the back of their minds some post life possibility of some kind. Not saying that they don't genuinely reject religion and it's fantasies about heaven and God, but just a corner in their thinking that says, well, who knows what all this universe is really about anyway. Maybe something else goes on, well beyond religious thinking. I'm not criticising that, I just think it's an interesting aspect of the nonbeliever community. As for me, like some others here, if there's no evidence for it, then it's just speculation.

How much of a heretic are you?

David1955 comments on Feb 12, 2018:

I like the word heretic. It's one of my favourite words. Heretic to heretic, good to know you. :-)

Do you feel guilty when you kill insects, rats, or any other lower animals in/around your house?

David1955 comments on Feb 12, 2018:

I'm reminded of a TED talk Sam Harris gave a year or two ago about AI and the challenge it presents. Within 50 years, maybe less, AI will reach human intelligence and then grow exponentially. The implications are huge. But it was his analogy with pests and bugs that struck me the most. He said we make movies about killer robots and so on in the future that want to exterminate us. But what if they, AI, or whatever, beyond our control, simply think of us like we think of bugs. We don't personally hate bugs and pests, it's not personal or malicious, it's just that they are inconvenient and in the way. So we get rid of them. He said what if AI saw us in the same way, a pest that was just in the way. I've thought about that a lot. I like Harris enormously, as you know from my posts. Since then every time I spray flies or on ants, I think of it.

Richard Dawkins: religion should be offended at every opportunity

David1955 comments on Feb 12, 2018:

I think there is a difference between offending a religion and offending individuals intentionally. The religions are the appalling institutions, and theology and practices. Affronting these should be habit with serious nonbelievers. Now if believers get offended by that, well that's too bad, but they as individuals are not being targeted. You see what I mean. I've done this myself. I have said things to a Catholic like: "You seem like a nice person. But your church has an appalling history, it is responsible for unspeakable crimes, thwarting humanity and progress, its theology is absurd, its notion history is a joke, and it continues to impose policies especially in the third world that are outrageous. Sorry, but that's my view." Now, they won't agree, but I'm not attacking them personally. If they are offended, then that's their problem;

Is it possible to be an atheist and to be politically conservative?

David1955 comments on Feb 12, 2018:

Well, judging from the number of people on this site who claim to be atheist or agnostic, but are obviously very politically conservative, I would have to say yes. I don't quite understand it. Although it might be said that political views and religious views are separate, in truth in life they are not. When I come across someone here who is clearly very conservative in their views, I tend to steer clear. I know otherwise it might not end well. Come to think of it, it's the same for me in the real world.

Religion—particularly, Christianity has lobotomized the Black psyche for centuries.

David1955 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

Not being an American myself, but I recall discussion a while back when Neil Degrass Tyson complained that the black community in the US is excessively characterised in culture and depiction as more religious and more overtly religious compared to other communities. I cannot attest to any direct experience or insight on this, but I wonder if he is right and black people are thought of, incorrectly, as naturally more religious. A stereotype?

Is " High noon " unamerican?

David1955 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

High Noon is a gem of a movie, a very unflattering but all too accurate depiction of human character, set in a western setting. What does the movie suggest? That people are with you when the going is good, but will desert you when things get tough; that people are nice, but only until it costs them or they have to put themselves out for you; that a man (or woman) who goes out on a limb for a higher cause or the greater good is a rare thing. It's not UnAmerican, unless you equate the old west mythology with America. The themes of High Noon were more universal than that. For my money the scene in the church with Gary Cooper is superb, in his perfect subtle underplaying acting, and the meaning of the scene: people at prayer and avoiding reality.

Has anyone heard of an Atheist church? How to get one started.

David1955 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

This has been discussed here before. It would be a contradiction. No, sorry. We aren't worshipers.

Conspiracy theories?

David1955 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

Watergate. Nixon and co conspired to conceal the truth about their illegal activities, and because of tape recordings in the Oval Office, and the No 2 in the FBI leaking info to the press, the investigations of the "conspiracy theorists" Woodward and Bernstein were validated. Yes, they followed journalistic practice, followed the evidence, but first they had a theory that some kind of conspiracy had taken place, which they were able to reveal, luckily for them. Otherwise they might have gone down in history as a pair of crazy conspiracy theorists as well. Both Carl Berstein and John Dean have said in interviews that without those recordings Nixon might have gotten away with it. And we'd have today just another crazy conspiracy theory to laugh at. Think about that. The misdeeds and corruption of powerful people is very hard to prove, and they know it.

Finally watching Wonder Woman.

David1955 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

What an incredibly boring movie. I watched without paying for it. If they stop going to see superperson movies what will Follywood do? Bring back musicals? Westerns?

Who is your favorite Author on Atheism / Free thinking? Living or dead, and why?

David1955 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

Deceased: Bertrand Russell's essays on religion and atheism and agnosticism have been very influential in my thinking, really since I was in my teens. Living: Dawkins, most notably, and then Sam Harris;

What's so special about gold?

David1955 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

I have some 99.7% Gold jewelry I bought in Thailand a long time ago. I really love it. I think I could be Goldfinger, if I had the chance.....Fort Knox here I come!

More shit from the orange guy in the WH.

David1955 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

I'd call Trump a Nincompoop but that would actually be an insult to Nincompoops who are otherwise harmless people. They say his daily intelligence 'briefs' were dumbed down for him, but they are still too hard so they are dumbing them down even further. My (nonexistent) God!

I am a photographer.

David1955 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

The truth is using film is just not practical. I have a fabulous Olympus 35 mm auto SLR camera that cost an arm and a leg 20 years ago, a beautiful camera, but where am I going to take the film? And then what, scan onto my computer? I look at it now with sadness. It's a beautiful relic. I used to do BW print photography back in the 70s. Doing that stuff is wonderful to do. But just like I don't think I could go back to BW TV, I know my film days are over. And film is just expensive.

I often ask why can't there be some really rich billionaire types who are progressive, atheist, anti...

David1955 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

@SamKerry Regarding Bill Gates Foundation, you asked below: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/gates-foundation-accused-of-dangerously-skewing-aid-priorities-by-promoting-big-business-a6822036.html @think-beyond

I often ask why can't there be some really rich billionaire types who are progressive, atheist, anti...

David1955 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

Actually, I wasn't so much referring to rich people giving money to charity and doing "good works" for which they usually receive good PR and so on. That's fine, and I'm sure it does good work, but keep in mind these things can have all kinds of financial benefits for them, like they Foundations they set up (I'll follow up one comment below about Gates foundation later). All that's fine, sometimes well intentioned, other times part of the system play that the rich engage. But I had in mind a wider point. Think of the people who regularly get mentioned here as inspirational figures in atheism and movements promoting religious non belief and values that go with that. Bertrand Russell, Dawkins, Krausse, Sam Harris, Carl Sagan, Hitchens, and so on. How many inspirational figures referred to in these posts are billionaires and alike? Well, you say, that's not their job. Why isn't it? Why are all we everyday folk pulling this train inspired as we often are by philosophers, scientists, writers, and alike. When do ever hear the super rich and particular the high profile types on the forefront of the debate about religion? No, it doesn't look good. It doesn't sound good. Doesn't fit the image, might offend their business interests. Like Gates muttering about how he might as well believe in God, he once said. (Not that his opinion on anything impresses me.) Money on charity, that's fine. Oh, but don't go near religion. In fact it seems to me with these super rich jonnies that if they get half a chance to have photo op with the Pope, well great, there they are. But, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they all believe in religion anyway. But for me, I'd love if it there were just one high flyer in the business world who was openly one of us (well, most of us) and we could refer to them as inspiring. A multi billionaire giving money for a mosquito program (for which there was probably a nice tax break) is not what I have in mind.

The U.S. Drops Out of the Top 10 in Innovation Ranking - Bloomberg

David1955 comments on Feb 10, 2018:

If the US spent just a modest proportion of the trillions it spends on its empire, on scientific and technological innovation, what strides and advancement it, and the world as a flow on effect, would make. And the fact is the country would better, fairer, and stronger if it did. Reactionary political thinking is sabotaging the potential of that great country.

When we break rules, we are right, because we are Americans.

David1955 comments on Feb 10, 2018:

Yes, the US has, since the end of WW2, has been unable to reconcile two unreconcilable facts about itself: a bastion of freedom and and democracy on the one hand, and managing its global empire on the other. The implication here is that the plutocracy -- essentially a military-industrial-corporate-political complex/ruling class --- which rules the US extends its hegemony through the American Empire. And yes, the economic ideology and military alliances, including intelligence link-ups, form the basis of this power. The problem is, as witnessed by the Trump disaster, the US's internal cohesion, such is it ever was, is unravelling. Where that leads, no one knows. On Australia, I don't recall Fraser's quote, but I don't think we think we are Amercans, but many of us on the progressive side, resent Australia being in effect America's "bitch" in the Asia-Pacific, more or less on call when needed. When America says "jump" we shout "how high!?" The shame is the all our political parties pander to American approval. Many of us would like to see the US-AUS alliance as one based on mutual respect and shared values, not the kind of disgusting sycophancy that led us to disgraces like Vietnam and Iraq, and even Afganistan, which hasn't been about terrorism since all the terrorists fled the country within weeks of the invasion, and now the evolving surveillance hegemony. I actually think that Americans and Australians as people share many similar qualities, including a resentment of excessive authority and a belief in individualism. That's why, personally I have always enjoyed the company of Americans. But the alliance between our two countries is an alliance between classes and power structures.

Most common atheist stereotypes or misconceptions you've encountered?

David1955 comments on Feb 10, 2018:

Something else that I remembered is the patronising and false assertion by religionists that atheists might be absorbed by all that science and evidence and reason stuff, but aren't really connected to that higher realm of spiritual awareness and consciousness that religion provides, that "higher" realm of God. BA-LO-NEY.

Truth in advertising: realistic bathroom sign in Hat Yai, Thailand

David1955 comments on Feb 10, 2018:

And in English too. The Thais must have thought it was better to be unambiguous in case the Farang missed it. Last time I was in Hat Yai there were few English signs at all. But that was years ago.

Most common atheist stereotypes or misconceptions you've encountered?

David1955 comments on Feb 10, 2018:

That atheists are neither ethical nor moral, not just in a sexual sense, and are not of good character.

Do your socks match? Always?

David1955 comments on Feb 9, 2018:

Yes, as I only wear black. Always match. Problem solved. BTW, you look like Will Forte, the alleged humourist. :-)

2018 Winter Olympics, who's watching?

David1955 comments on Feb 9, 2018:

The Winter What?....oh,oh, oh, yes, I remember now, that's the event where huge amounts of money are spent... by a bunch of trough gorgers and junket devourers known as the Olympic Committee traveling around the world staying in 5 star hotels and eating in the finest restaurants with all kinds of lavish accompaniments, trimmings and trappings, while arranging an ideal inspiring sports event to honour peace and world fellowship, not to mention shady deals and pocket lining, for a bunch of type A personality compulsive obsessive alpha predator sports addicts who give their all for national pride, while at the same lining up those commercial contracts and deals, while the host country spends years paying of the debt incurred through running it, money which might have been spent on infrastructure and services of real benefit to the local population. That's what this world really needs: Sports Idealism. (Don't think I'll be catching it.)

Why did god creat all the cosmos?

David1955 comments on Feb 9, 2018:

I imagine he wisely decided not to create only some of it but to finish the job, and since had nothing else better to do the rest of that week....

Life is what you make it? True or false?

David1955 comments on Feb 9, 2018:

True if you're part of the Kennedy family. For the majority, life is an endless parade of comprises and survival. It's not a cliche I like. Sorry.

I think what surprises me most is the look of confusion on people's face when you say that you don't...

David1955 comments on Feb 9, 2018:

It's ok to say you don't believe in God, but don't whatever you do say you're an atheist. That's crossing the line..... :-)

Does the structure of American society lend to unhappiness or dissatisfaction?

David1955 comments on Feb 9, 2018:

In some parts of the world outside the US, definitely, yes. There is certainly unhappiness around the world about that blackguard currently in the Oval Office. ( :-) )

Who is Your Favorite Philosopher?

David1955 comments on Feb 9, 2018:

Bertrand Russell. Of relevance here, I think his analysis of atheism versus agnosticism is as insightful as I've ever read. He was an atheist and I fully agree with his reasoning. His genius was to take complex issues and to deduce the fundamentals.

So I've heard of Brotherhood's, and Sisterhood's, but I propose we start a Sibinghood in which all ...

David1955 comments on Feb 8, 2018:

Funnily enough I've used the term brother and sister atheists referring to fellow non believers, and in a respectful way. I can see what you're getting at. Not sure about some agnostics, though. I think they're more like first cousins. (Oh, I'm gonna be roasted for that one. :-) )

Natural versus learned Agnostics?

David1955 comments on Feb 8, 2018:

I regret to say that I do believe some people are born with a predisposition to religion, and, in many cases, no amount of books, arguments or discussion will change them. I don't know why. It's something I have thought about a lot. It seems to be nature, rather than nurture. On the other hand, some are born with a natural immunity to religion, and no amount of upbringing, books, religious instruction etc will reach them. Between these groups, there are others, with varying degrees of religiosity, from non to religious, and I think upbringing, experience, reading, exposure to knowledge and many other things affect their views. I don't particularly like this analysis myself. But it's what I have concluded from my observation. I would love to think that all people are born non religious, and that eliminating religious influence would eliminate religion. I just don't think it's that easy.

Trump Says America Is A Nation Of Believers : NPR

David1955 comments on Feb 8, 2018:

He's right. Increasingly a nation of people who BELIEVE their country will be lucky to survive him, who BELEVE the sooner he is relegated to the dustbin of history, the better. BTW, I posted a while back that I believe that Trump in time will be revealed as the Manchurian Candidate President. Few took any notice. But I still hold the view that when all the facts are revealed that Trump is a compromised asset of the Russians, being played by them, in one of the great spy master stories of all time. And may they hang it on the Republican Party forever that they were instrumental in this happening. History always reveals.

blocking a god believer?

David1955 comments on Feb 8, 2018:

I agree with you. I didn't join here to have encounters with religionists either. I find it boring. After all, it's not hard in the real world for atheists to find believers to run into. Go to any religious place or group and there they are. Jesus, all I have to do is go jogging as I do most days and I'll run across Christian door knockers, bibles in hand, ready for a "Jesus loves ya baby" chat and big sell. I really would like a place where I can actually get away from the bastards! That said, the rules of the site are as stated, and I respect Admin's call on this, to allow anyone in as long as they respect the conditions. But @walklightly since you have raised the issue I just wanted to say my piece. I have asked several believers why they are actually here, and for the life of me I still can't work it out. They are not going to be influenced by non believers, and they are not going to change us, so what's the point. Since we are certainly "lost souls" from their view, why wouldn't they prefer to spend time with their fellow "saved". Beats me.

What does American greatness mean to you?

David1955 comments on Feb 8, 2018:

What does "Greatness" mean? Well it's the quality of being great, distinguished, outstanding. The US has never been uniformly great. It has achieved moments of greatness. Intervention in WW1 and 2. But its role in world leadership has been anything but great: witness, Vietnam, Middle East, Afganistan and Iraq. On the other hand the sheer power of its military has provided a balance against dark forces in the world which we shouldn't underestimate. The US's mixed track record in the world is not new. It's been that way since the end of WW2. More misses than hits. It's history of race and native peoples is also hardly a testament to greatness. But it's hardly the only country with shame in this regard, including my own. No, what makes us question the US's greatness now is its loss of idealism. That's what used to be the core of its greatness. America's head might get confused, but it's heart was always in the right place. Now, not so much. America preaches democracy, but hardly practices it. Its political parties are corrupt puppets of the elites, its electoral system a travesty in the 21st Century. It cries foul about interference in its elections, while taking every opportunity to intervene in the affairs of other countries, somehow thinking it has the high moral ground. Its mantra of individualism and opportunity has descended into a twisted parody of those things, a country characterised by class greed, political opportunism and plutocracy. While too many Americans live within the self affirmation of the US's mainstream media's myopia, the rest of the world, certainly the western world, can see contemporary America with withering clarity. America was never and has never been uniformly Great. But at its best it had an ability to rise to Greatness when it needed to. The question is: Can it still do that, or is the Age of American Greatness over?

If you met god after you died, what would you tell him?

David1955 comments on Feb 8, 2018:

You're are miserable failure, with countless deaths, unimaginable human misery, and egregious sins of omission, failure, indifference and incompetence at your feet. Apologise and will yourself out of existence, immediately!

Have you thought about as to HOW many points are needed as levels are achieved.

David1955 comments on Feb 7, 2018:

I made a decision early not to base my contribution here on getting points. Whatever my points are, they are, and that's it. I don't think about drumming up posts just for points or anything like that. Whatever I post, comment on, or click "like," I just do because that's my contribution, good or poor. A lot of "Facebooky" type posts I don't even read, and I'm sure others filter what interest them as well, which is fine. I'm not criticising the point system. I see the idea in it. But that's how it is for me. I'm not really a social media person. This site is an exception for me, but I like what I like from it.

Do you remember where you were when the Challenger exploded?

David1955 comments on Feb 7, 2018:

Yes, I came back the previous day from a holiday in China. Going to China was considered very adventurous back then. The Challenger was horrifying. Over the years I have researched this event very closely. The real story of NASA's incompetence, arrogance, lack of transparency, thwarting of efforts to reveal their appalling procedures, the actual fate of the crew - contrary to NASA's efforts to conceal it - is also horrifying. When not motivated by the science, the evidence, and the truth, this is what happens. You would think NASA would be a role model, but it's anything but. The reports and studies show it. Also, the complexity of what happened - the cold, O rings, slag from the solid fuel boosters, and the Gulf Stream gusts that hit the orbiter just seconds before the explosion and contributing to the cause, only fully realised a few years ago by researchers, make it a very complex story. Fate was truly against those poor astronauts.

I just got my first paycheck with the new tax cuts in effect.

David1955 comments on Feb 7, 2018:

Don't worry, it'll all go on your national debt. At this rate, the Chinese won't have to beat your country; they'll just call in their loan. Hand them the keys.

What does American greatness mean to you?

David1955 comments on Feb 7, 2018:

But it can get it back if it stops voting for that damn Republican Party and the loonies who comprise it.

Have you ever met a religious person that calls themself a humanist?

David1955 comments on Feb 7, 2018:

Yes, there are religious people I have known, good people actually, who are really humanists, but they think that term means non religious, so they don't use it. They believe their religion means they are "good people" but at heart they believe in humanist ideas. They are confused, that's all.

I have a question for both believers and unbelievers.

David1955 comments on Feb 7, 2018:

What is the point of the question? If "God" told us that he "did exist" might make sense as a question, to see if atheists would believe if confronted by "God". But this question makes no sense. But if you want an answer, mine would be: "Well God, which "God" aren't you?" Ask a silly... get a silly...

I Helped Sell the False Choice of War Once. It’s Happening Again. - The New York Times

David1955 comments on Feb 6, 2018:

I'd be tempted to say about the repeated folly wars the US military-industrial-political-corporate complex has gotten the US, and usually my country as well, into, which then involves a lot of good honourable everyday people making the sacrifice to fight them: Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. But I think it's more like: Fool me at least 10 times shame on you, fool me 11 times total shame on me. You know? Really.

Why argue about God or any belief?

David1955 comments on Feb 6, 2018:

Here's the problem: If people just had their own spiritual whatever and it was internal to them and it was private and so on, then that would be nice and they could believe any darn thing they like, including God. But, they don't just do that, do they. No, they have religions, with churches, and theology, and morals, priests and Popes and alike, and education for children to teach them their damned theology, as well as frightening them with damnation, and then they support politicians to promote their beliefs, and they also oppose things that are not consistent with their theology, and tell adults who they can have consensual sexual relations with, and how and when they can have babies, and on top of that they want to have wars with other religions which haven't seen the one true faith that they know, so, yeah, goddamn it, we should keep arguing with them, challenge their unproven claims, their appalling history, dreadful practices and anti modernist thinking in the faint hope that one day, just maybe, they might just all f--k off so we can have a better, rational, science based world!!!

I don't drink alcohol.

David1955 comments on Feb 5, 2018:

Yeah I'm with you on that one. Never had any problem with it but I decided years ago that alcohol as a chemical is really a poison that people take in small (sometimes not so small) doses mixed with other flavours. No way it does you any good, despite some believing that it does.

What is your favorite Star Wars movie?

David1955 comments on Feb 5, 2018:

Rogue One. I thought it was the first SW film for adults. Great themes of sacrifice and altruism, and a wonderful multiracial cast. Great to watch a movie and not hear "God" mentioned once.

Can life have meaning? 4 different perspectives

David1955 comments on Feb 5, 2018:

What's the source of this? Camus falls under Existentialism. Cannot take these categories seriously or in any way defined.

Am I the only person who cares nothing for football?

David1955 comments on Feb 5, 2018:

Non football caring person here. Of course I'm not in the US but football is football and it's all a big yawn.

Anyone ever wonder if the solution to Americas mass shootings was very simple?

David1955 comments on Feb 5, 2018:

I mean it's not like they would find a way to make real bullets, no after being determined to go out and kill people they'd just have to put up with those old rubber ones. Just like they didn't find a way to convert those weapons into machine guns by getting a converter kit.... Oh wait, they did. Sorry Americans but if you are going to have a country where there are 5,000 guns per head of population, or whatever, and any dang fool idiot can go out and buy one, well it's hardly rocket science that some mentally disturbed people are going to go on a shooting spree. The rest of the world, except maybe a few third world failed states run by war lords, look on the US in this respect with horror. And as for that whatever amendment that allows it, well, constitutions and laws change, don't they? Just takes political courage. I know huge numbers of Americans feel exactly the same way about this. I've known many.

What’s your most favorite and least favorite sport?

David1955 comments on Feb 5, 2018:

Least favourite: any game kicking a football. Most favourite: anything with a racquet.

World of Religion - how the numbers stack up.

David1955 comments on Feb 5, 2018:

If any Aliens up here, around out there in your space ships, are reading this chart, I just want to say that I'm sorry, but yes it's true, we haven't outgrown our Bronze Age species childhood yet and our species childhood stories of magic and miracles, so come back in a 1,000 years or so, and if we haven't done ourselves in (a big "if" ) then maybe we might have by then, and maybe we can do business with you. Ok? Thanks.

If you won the lottery,,,

David1955 comments on Feb 4, 2018:

Set myself up financially and securely, but not extravagantly, and find a way to devote my time and resources to the causes of secularism and atheism, or at least participate more than I can now.

Anyone annoyed by snotty liberals?

David1955 comments on Feb 4, 2018:

As a very openly progressive person myself I think by "snotty liberals" you are referring to the politically correct brigade, sometimes called "the regressive left" even by some new atheists. These are people so absorbed by being "progressive" that they live in fear of saying anything about anyone's anything lest they be called something with an "ist" at the end of it (racist, sexist etc) and they stomp over anyone who even departs from the accepted language. It's a problem, and it has contributed in part of to the right wing backlash we see in Trumpism and similar movements. I see it in the critique against atheism by some progressives as well, eg about criticising Islam. In cases where I have dealt with such people myself I take the issue head on and refused to be emotionally blackmailed because I may criticise religion, culture or any modern sacred cows.

What is your definition of God?

David1955 comments on Feb 4, 2018:

I'd also like to add to this thread a quote from John Lennon, which l think is worth repeating. "God is a concept by which we measure our pain."

National Secular Lobby - Australia -Other thoughts

David1955 comments on Feb 4, 2018:

I wish there were a more active atheist movement here in Australia. Yes there are some bodies, mainly Sydney focused, and they do stuff, Dawkins visits etc, but as an atheist here I feel completely isolated. The nature of Australia is the reason - big country, scattered population, a few big cities, Sydney centred everything. It's just how things are here. If I had the time and resources I'd fly to atheist events here, but you how it is.

An interesting article that I wanted to share with the group. [slate.com]

David1955 comments on Feb 4, 2018:

Yes, a good piece. While this is about the US, many of the issues apply globally in western countries, though to a greater or lesser degree. In my country, it is less pronounced, but still there. Politicians still play religious because it looks good. I also hate the fact that mainstream media still plug religion thinking it looks good. I do think the rising non religiousness of young people is a good thing. It great to see many younger people on this site, for example. Also, I strongly believe that many people are only what I call notionally religious. They are religious in behaviour and identity but not really by strong belief. These are the people we want to turn towards the light. We have to keep pulling this train, folks. It's a momentum issue, I feel certain. Hard to build the momentum, but once it builds, and more people pull.... In 50 years we have seen a transformation in attitudes towards women, racial equality, gay rights and others in that broader community, just to name some areas of great change. It's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than it was. We've got to hope that we can do the same for secularism and religious non-belief. I'm not an optimist by nature, but I've got to remain hopeful about that.

Did you notice Bernie Sander's did not say "god bless America" in his response to the state of the ...

David1955 comments on Feb 3, 2018:

Go Bernie! You are an inspiration to "grumpy old" left wing progressive non religious democratic socialist guys everywhere.

I notice a lot of atheist groups, particularly "New Atheists" tend to side with apartheid Israel ...

David1955 comments on Feb 3, 2018:

I identify with New Atheism, but I do not side in the way you suggest. A great many religionist Christians certainly side with the Irsaeli side on this, so I don't think your generalisation about atheism is very valid, actually. I think it is a tragedy that this issue cannot be resolved.

What's a good romantic gift someone could give you?

David1955 comments on Feb 3, 2018:

A million dollars. My idea of romantic tends to have a practical edge to it, sorry :-)

Would you be afraid to spend a few nights in the Amityville horror house?

David1955 comments on Feb 3, 2018:

I remember watching one of those TV ghost shows, about a house near the Cielo drive house in LA of the 1969 Manson murders, where lots of ghosts were regularly spooking the living bejeesus out of the owner (Right). Anyway, there was this ghostologist with a ghostometer, an expert of ghosts, he said, and he made this comment that the place was so riddled with paranormal behaviour that, and I quote, "I would not stay the night here for a million dollars!". And I thought, yeah I'd like to put that to the test. Here's a million bucks..... Honestly these people are so full of s--t. How can people believe this sort of stuff.

Krispy Kreme donuts are coming! The thing about that is, they will have one store to start with, ...

David1955 comments on Feb 2, 2018:

Saw the guy who started this crappy food franchise in a TV interview about starting up his KK shops in Singapore I think it was. It was a paid type interview, not at all critical. Great. Just what Singaporean children need: western obesity. When asked about KK donuts and health he replied that it was an occasional enjoyment food and we should not be too worried about that. In the next breath he went on to say about the "rewards" card or some such, so every 10 donuts you eat you one free. Not a hint of awareness of contradiction in his mind. Wonderful. Noooo thank you.

Who never was religious?

David1955 comments on Feb 2, 2018:

Aye.

What is your definition of God?

David1955 comments on Feb 2, 2018:

God = a figment of human imagination, borne during our species childhood, to explain anything and everything that was not understood or explained, and a projection of human ignorance and fear --- which also served a useful purpose by some to control and exploit others for their own aggrandisement, a practice which continues to this day.

I detested that opening question, "Do you believe in God?

David1955 comments on Feb 2, 2018:

I don't think anybody truly likes that question, or takes much notice of the figure people choose. As an atheist I ask the question differently: Are you 100% certain that there is no evidence for the existence of ANY God? Any and All. Answer, yes. Now if anyone would care to provide some evidence, give me a call. Happy to look at it.. And no, visions, spiritual nirvanic sensations, knowledge entering from "another way of knowing" and stories from the Bronze Age etc etc do not count.

It was just pointed out, and a total surprise to me, that Cleopatra is nearer in time to the Aswan ...

David1955 comments on Feb 2, 2018:

Cleopatra wasn't even racially an Egyptian woman. She was Greek, her line going back to Alexander the Great period a couple of centuries before.

How Should Atheism Be Taught? - The Atlantic

David1955 comments on Feb 1, 2018:

I posted this same link here a few days ago. It generated the same negative comments about the title teaching atheism. Other points in the article about the current dynamic in atheism were less well noted.

What is the best way to broach Atheism in a religious conversation?

David1955 comments on Feb 1, 2018:

Depends on what you aim to do. If your aim is to challenge or change them, then that's a fool's errand and little likely to help you. On the other hand if your aim is to establish your independence, intellectually, from them, then all you can do is state your position, let the cards fall where they may, hold your head up high and go forth. Do you need their approval? No? Then their disapproval shouldn't bother you either. I think you'll feel better once you do.

I picked up a copy of "The Bible for Dummies" at the library today.

David1955 comments on Jan 31, 2018:

Never was a book more aptly titled. (Perhaps only missing the verb BE conjugated between Bible and For) :-)