Ben Carson's HUD Is Brutalizing Low Income Americans [youtube.com]

Charlene comments on Apr 27, 2018:

Another out of the ghetto and fuck "Them" kinda asshole..

Diogenes replies on Apr 28, 2018:

Isn't it just unbelievable?

Looks like MACRON, is on the opposite side of trump!! We really aren't alone, after all!

Norie comments on Apr 25, 2018:

Can’t wait to hear what Trump has to say about his new best friend now! No more kisses?

Diogenes replies on Apr 26, 2018:

Trump's "friends", don't remain his friends very long.

Looks like MACRON, is on the opposite side of trump!! We really aren't alone, after all!

silverotter11 comments on Apr 25, 2018:

Macron is playing trump like a circus bear. All Macron needs is a whip and a circus tent - nice performance sir. hahahahahaha

Diogenes replies on Apr 26, 2018:

Macron should be more 'benevolent', instead of playing with the village fool like that. LOL

What did you think of the Comey interview?

PeppermintDreads comments on Apr 16, 2018:

It was good. He was fairly diplomatic until the end of the interview.

Diogenes replies on Apr 16, 2018:

Even though I am in Canada, I wanted to see this. I get about seven stations from Buffalo, but I couldn't find it.

My mother died last evening of cancer. Though we were estranged to some degree I am terribly sad ?

MsHoliday comments on Apr 13, 2018:

My condolences to you and your family. No matter what type of relationship we have with our parents they are missed when they die.

Diogenes replies on Apr 14, 2018:

What you said is NOT true. Maybe this applies to your particular situation, but I am sure that it does not apply to everyone. I went to school in Wallaceburg. My father "stopped his clock" with a shotgun, my first year in high school. And my old mother, had talent; she could start an argument with anyone: Mahatma Gandy or the fictional JC. either. That was her "joy" in life. If Nature has provided a second life, I never want to meet either of them again.

The man's a horror show.

Charlene comments on Apr 1, 2018:

Yup!

Diogenes replies on Apr 2, 2018:

...and when Trump gets jailed or impeached, or whatever happens to him, I'll bet that the speed of Melania's departure will cause her boots to smoke.

The man's a horror show.

Winkman1972 comments on Apr 1, 2018:

Yes Tonald Dump is a trainwreck. President Mike Pence is a scary thought too.

Diogenes replies on Apr 2, 2018:

With Pence talking to the spook in the ceiling, "scary" is an understatement.

Well this explains everything..

AntaresRose comments on Apr 1, 2018:

That is about right. No college degree for 45. All lies.

Diogenes replies on Apr 2, 2018:

@BettyColeman I'm sure children tell lots of tall tales- but Trump is a master at his craft- the only time he tells the truth is when he makes a 'misteak'- because along with his 'truth problem', he can't spell either.

I'm dying! LMFAO :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Freedompath comments on Apr 1, 2018:

Trump can even screw up Easter! The bunny did not make him more fitting on a stage for Easter...in fact he had already screwed up the day, with his threatening tweets!

Diogenes replies on Apr 2, 2018:

@Livinlife I don't know if he is into "fucking"- he is probably of a different persuasion; he sure as hell likes having his ass kissed by all those white dudes.

He has no clue, good xian that he is.

LeighShelton comments on Apr 1, 2018:

What a bungling buffoon. forget the first monkey in space. there is one in the Whitehouse.

Diogenes replies on Apr 2, 2018:

@LeighShelton LOL

Welcome. Come on in and join the fight.

Diogenes comments on Apr 1, 2018:

Hey, you stop that. Trump has ONE black guy that doesn't have enough guts or shame in his miserable body to not suck up to Trump. It's like watching the Laurence Welk show, where the black tap dancer comes on; there are no SUPER black orchestra performers. God damned disgusting!

Diogenes replies on Apr 2, 2018:

@BettyColeman I should have written my point out a little better- because THAT was my point. Winton Marsalis (sp) is one of the absolute, very best musicians- NOT 'a token' whether it is in politics, like Ben Carson, or whether it is in music.

He has no clue, good xian that he is.

LeighShelton comments on Apr 1, 2018:

What a bungling buffoon. forget the first monkey in space. there is one in the Whitehouse.

Diogenes replies on Apr 1, 2018:

You compare Donald James to a monkey--- what gives you the right to insult "monkeys"?

He has no clue, good xian that he is.

Freedompath comments on Apr 1, 2018:

My HOPE is that there is no...RESURRECTION, where trump is concerned! The Jesus story might have something decent behind it somewhere!

Diogenes replies on Apr 1, 2018:

WHICH Jeezuz story? These fairytales go back centuries? Which untruth are you talking about?

Welcome. Come on in and join the fight.

HippieChick58 comments on Apr 1, 2018:

Awww, you fell short, you missed the lobotomized rich white women. That is the only reason I can think of for a woman to be a Republican.

Diogenes replies on Apr 1, 2018:

Correct, but 'anybody', of either gender, with a brain, would not vote for this brainless clown. But for a nanosecond, do not think that he is VERY dangerous. Hitler was a corporal in the WW1.

Welcome. Come on in and join the fight.

Freedompath comments on Apr 1, 2018:

But, they all have the same exact, limited common sense problem!

Diogenes replies on Apr 1, 2018:

Yesss

I mIss andy rooney do you?

HippieChick58 comments on Apr 1, 2018:

We need more journalists like Andy Rooney, and far fewer "anchors" that sell the pap their fan base demands.

Diogenes replies on Apr 1, 2018:

YESSSSS

I mIss andy rooney do you?

silverotter11 comments on Apr 1, 2018:

I wonder what HL Mencken would be twitting about trump, the gop, etc.

Diogenes replies on Apr 1, 2018:

Mencken would probably be startled by the truth of his own words, and think, "This is not your average 'moron'- this one is professional grade."

Well this explains everything..

AntaresRose comments on Apr 1, 2018:

That is about right. No college degree for 45. All lies.

Diogenes replies on Apr 1, 2018:

Well didn't he even graduate from kindergarten- with top marks, of course?

A kisser!

RavenCT comments on Mar 29, 2018:

So Lying. I'd say upwards of 280 lbs.

Diogenes replies on Apr 1, 2018:

But the 236 was just the amount hanging over his belt.

Spiritual but not religious

GlyndonD comments on Mar 31, 2018:

Well, you're halfway there, at least.

Diogenes replies on Apr 1, 2018:

"Halfway there" to 'no where'- is still no where.

Well this explains a whole lot!

HeathenFarmer comments on Apr 1, 2018:

And here I thought this is what "t" stood for:

Diogenes replies on Apr 1, 2018:

Now that I am 110- that picture made me think of sex again.

Spanky What does everyone think of trump's new nickname?

d_day comments on Mar 28, 2018:

I still like Cheeto Pendejo better.

Diogenes replies on Mar 31, 2018:

@silverotter11 And then there's the "fucking" part- that too is false- you know he does everything with his mouth only.

Spanky What does everyone think of trump's new nickname?

d_day comments on Mar 28, 2018:

I still like Cheeto Pendejo better.

Diogenes replies on Mar 31, 2018:

@silverotter11 You can't call Trump a moron- he would have to UPGRADE his IQ to become a moron.

A kisser!

AntaresRose comments on Mar 30, 2018:

Yes, Dotor Ass Kisser. 45 can't be 6 foot 3. I am going to have to fact check that. As far as weight, he is a balloon. You see it in golf clothes. Amazing what a suit will hide. All that fat makes your heart work harder. If a man is suppose to weigh 150 pounds and weighs 600 pounds, his heart is ...

Diogenes replies on Mar 31, 2018:

Wonder which is "greater" his height measurement or his waist measurement.

A kisser!

Diogenes comments on Mar 30, 2018:

He must be talking about the weight that's hanging over Trump's belt.

Diogenes replies on Mar 31, 2018:

@CGDEvermond That too.LOL

Spanky What does everyone think of trump's new nickname?

HippieChick58 comments on Mar 28, 2018:

I still prefer to use Don the Con.

Diogenes replies on Mar 29, 2018:

I seem to have made a BIG mistake in an earlier reply you (I should take reading lessons)- so for the record- my very sincere apology. And yes, Trump has been doing the "con" for a long time, going all the way back to his five 'successful' bankruptcies, where the investors lost all their money- but he walked away with the cash.

Spanky What does everyone think of trump's new nickname?

OpposingOpposum comments on Mar 28, 2018:

I plan on referring to him as President Spanky from this point forward.

Diogenes replies on Mar 29, 2018:

Is that about a kid's comedy- or about "Trumpf" dropping his drawers and 'getting the magazine'?

Spanky What does everyone think of trump's new nickname?

d_day comments on Mar 28, 2018:

I still like Cheeto Pendejo better.

Diogenes replies on Mar 29, 2018:

Excuse my ignorance; the "Cheeto" I get; what is "Pendjo"? I assume it is Española.

Spanky What does everyone think of trump's new nickname?

HippieChick58 comments on Mar 28, 2018:

I still prefer to use Don the Con.

Diogenes replies on Mar 29, 2018:

I can see why you have no other replies, other than this one.

St Don the Con

phxbillcee comments on Mar 25, 2018:

If you're familiar with the history of many of the popes, not that surprising, really!

Diogenes replies on Mar 25, 2018:

I got a laugh out of the woman in the chair with the sign about "guns making a person a bigger dick." Yup, it is certain that a gun lover, is also a nutter.

Fear of hell.

VictoriaNotes comments on Mar 5, 2018:

You are not alone. If you live in the U.S., then you are constantly bombarded with religious imagery, symbols, metaphors --- presidents saying *God Bless America*, the bible being used in courts and when swearing in leadership, *"In God We Trust"* on money, and so on. Approximately 58% of U.S. ...

Diogenes replies on Mar 21, 2018:

@VictoriaNotes Carter and his wife, "Rosalind" (?) have more to them that religion. They dropped out of the Southern Baptist and he is involved with Habitat for Humanity. They walk the walk as decent human beings.--- Have a good day.

Fear of hell.

VictoriaNotes comments on Mar 5, 2018:

You are not alone. If you live in the U.S., then you are constantly bombarded with religious imagery, symbols, metaphors --- presidents saying *God Bless America*, the bible being used in courts and when swearing in leadership, *"In God We Trust"* on money, and so on. Approximately 58% of U.S. ...

Diogenes replies on Mar 21, 2018:

US presidents may do the "God bless-bit", but in must European countries pulling such buffoonish nonsense would probably get them laughed off the stage.

Making You Pay for Porn: Does Rhode Island Want to Impose Morality or Cash In? - TheHumanist.com

Crimson67 comments on Mar 18, 2018:

I think the government charging a person to view anything is unacceptable. However the online site should be able to charge whatever they want for you to view their content. It is my job as a parent to block content inappropriate for my child and I do. My son's phone and laptop have parental ...

Diogenes replies on Mar 19, 2018:

Crimson- YOU are right on the mark. I know the "truth" is forbidden. Tell your kids that the dinosaurs were around for a few hundred million years with one obvious sexual "orientation", whatever the "orientation" means, and they did quite well. It is more important to "explain" than to "enforce"- even when you are right. Hell yes, this is a VERY sick world.

Rex Tillerson Rex Tillerson: I Hope Trump Finds Out He’s Impeached on Twitter Andy ...

NatureWalk comments on Mar 18, 2018:

Andy Borowitz does satire. He is making up a scenario that is PERFECT! It WOULD serve Trump right to get the same treatment, and humiliation, he dishes out!

Diogenes replies on Mar 19, 2018:

Ya, like Andy's satire too. Just excellent introspective. But remember Trump is not funny, even though he has a pin prick for a brain. He is setting up a dictatorship, and he is well on his way to obtaining it. Brainless Corporal Hitler made German generals shake in their boots from fear in the Second World War. And just look at the list of staff that Trump has on his list for dismissal.

Martin Luther King Jr said: Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.

SKH78 comments on Mar 13, 2018:

Some religious people are arrogant and mean. Other believers are kindhearted, smart and show Moral Courage. Some atheists are jerks and others are virtuous people. I am a non-believer, but I have a few friends who believe in god(s) and regularly go to church, synagogue, mosque, etc. I don't ...

Diogenes replies on Mar 18, 2018:

Susan, very well said- you are my "hero".

Martin Luther King Jr said: Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.

TaraMarshall comments on Mar 17, 2018:

I loved my seminars on Kingian Nonviolence, but the leader of the group thought it was odd an Atheist would get into it. I told him that I had first read Satyagraha when I was 12, and that MLK had gotten most of his ideas from Gandhi. Attributed to Gandhi, when a reporter supposedly asked him ...

Diogenes replies on Mar 18, 2018:

I am NOT an atheist- I refuse to comment on the belief "or disbelief" of something so foolish as an egoistic god. I believe it is Manitou who is the god of the Hurons, but from what I understand, that is a respect of all of Nature. But going back millennia peoples have understood that what they didn't like for themselves; they shouldn't do to others. And even though it is strange, at times, even other residents of this rock have shown compassion; there is a film of a gorilla picking up a child that fell into its compound. It is probably the human beastie that is the most violent of all.

This night I have been thinking about a subject that I wanted to post about.

VictoriaNotes comments on Jan 23, 2018:

It may have to do with your brainwave state. At night you are likely in a relaxed alpha brainwave state, where insights are more prevalent. Write it down as soon as the idea comes to you. If you're lying in bed, keep a notebook and pen (or tablet) on your nightstand next to you. During the day, you ...

Diogenes replies on Mar 12, 2018:

@VictoriaNotes Well in the northern provinces, the Christian Reformed Church is present, and they are on the weird side. In the south, the former Catholic area, they probably tell the best jokes about religion. My former true-love was from Limburg, and we never thought about talking about religion. Be aware; drugs are a serious problem; the mayor of Heerlen was murdered by the drug dealers. But one thing, sex is more natural- but that still means "monogamous" for most people. It is not a world where there is the hypocrisy of Donald Trump.

This night I have been thinking about a subject that I wanted to post about.

VictoriaNotes comments on Jan 23, 2018:

It may have to do with your brainwave state. At night you are likely in a relaxed alpha brainwave state, where insights are more prevalent. Write it down as soon as the idea comes to you. If you're lying in bed, keep a notebook and pen (or tablet) on your nightstand next to you. During the day, you ...

Diogenes replies on Mar 12, 2018:

@VictoriaNotes Okay, got me. I thought I might get a response from Gert too. I am sure Gert has a good sense of humour like other Dutch.----Talking more about Dutch things, I was at Kingston NY, long ago, and there was a very old cemetery there, dating back to New Holland. One of the gravestones said in Dutch,"Here lies the body of ..." and it had a scull and cross bones on it. Spooky! Looked like something out of a movie set.

This night I have been thinking about a subject that I wanted to post about.

VictoriaNotes comments on Jan 23, 2018:

It may have to do with your brainwave state. At night you are likely in a relaxed alpha brainwave state, where insights are more prevalent. Write it down as soon as the idea comes to you. If you're lying in bed, keep a notebook and pen (or tablet) on your nightstand next to you. During the day, you ...

Diogenes replies on Mar 11, 2018:

@VictoriaNotes All people out of Nederland are crazy--- but probably more stable than most North Americans.

This night I have been thinking about a subject that I wanted to post about.

AviatorJim comments on Jan 23, 2018:

Perhaps you should be come a disciple of Siri? If you ask her to remember something for you she will, and she possesses the Knowledge of the Ages. and Google.

Diogenes replies on Mar 11, 2018:

@Gert Have you ever heard of "Didi's Babblebox", a quiz, uit Nederland. It was fun.She and her quiz are gone; wish I could find them again. One night, I wrote "Paris" and they waited till I wrote "Parijs"- but we know all Dutchmen are crazy, en vrouwen ook. Tot ziens

This night I have been thinking about a subject that I wanted to post about.

ashley44 comments on Jan 23, 2018:

How old are you?

Diogenes replies on Mar 11, 2018:

"Gert" hoi. Since I said I have never heard of a Nederlander named "Gert", I have seen another named Gert. Oke. Been a while since I talked with you. It is my hope, alles is heerlijk.

Did anyone else's state put the flags at half mast for Billy Graham?

resserts comments on Mar 3, 2018:

I don't understand why Billy Graham gets so much recognition. Even if anyone is religious and liked him, what made Graham stand out more than any other preacher? I've seen very little about how he helped people or promoted peace and harmony to an extraordinary degree. The elevated honor people ...

Diogenes replies on Mar 5, 2018:

Agreed! He promoted as much religious stupidity as possible. He dumbed down the ignorant even farther than they already were with his,"Gaaauuud", "The Bible says...", "Jeezuz says..." How vulgar can it get? The 'book of lies' is full of dull-witted verbiage, and the fictitious Jeeezuz never said anything- because he never existed. But there are people in this world who are doing decent things, even risking their lives while doing them- and they may never be recognized- that takes a con-artist.

Has anyone else attempted university in their 30's+ (after years out of school)?

ReadyforaChange comments on Feb 27, 2018:

I went back for my (online) Bachelor's in 2014 at the age of fifty-two, was on the Dean's list every semester and LOVED IT! I graduated in August 2017 and started Grad school the same month. I am in my second semester (also online) and making straight A's. Do it...you will never regret it!!

Diogenes replies on Mar 4, 2018:

I wish you ONLY the very best. Maybe online is a better way. I've taken credits and many various courses. One credit was English Authors. I thought it was a weight lifting course. Read them? I couldn't even lift that much! LOL. "never regret it", well I do deeply regret all the work that never accomplished a thing. This still does not mean that I am unhappy with your success though.

Did anyone else's state put the flags at half mast for Billy Graham?

TheMiddleWay comments on Mar 3, 2018:

The United States Flag Code mentions the use of our flag for honoring leading citizens both here and abroad. For example Nelson Mandela in 2013, Pope John Paul II in 2005, King Hussein of Jordan in 1999, Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, Egyptian President Anwar Sadat in ...

Diogenes replies on Mar 4, 2018:

... and what has that got to do with a con-artist like Graham? Will Trump be honoured after he completes his fifth bankruptcy, that of the US government?

Did anyone else's state put the flags at half mast for Billy Graham?

ReadyforaChange comments on Mar 3, 2018:

He lived and died right up the road from me...people worshipped him and it makes me physically ill. I think he was a bigot and one of the biggest scam artists of all time.

Diogenes replies on Mar 4, 2018:

I must agree about the 'Reverend' Graham. That Gaaauud shit was too moronic to be funny.

Photographs by skado

njoy_life_2 comments on Feb 24, 2018:

Wow, love these in b/w, good call.!

Diogenes replies on Mar 4, 2018:

@skado Loved your black and white. I developed and printed many decades ago. Wish I had been more capable.

Is it just me or does others find it undignified for our VP Mike Pence, who said that he 'ignored ...

Davesnothere comments on Feb 15, 2018:

NO Pence fan here BUT Kim Jon Uns Sister is the head of Propaganda in North Korea, any and every Photo op with her will be used by her ONLY as The Leader sees fit. Do Anything with that particular woman is to feed their propagana machine.

Diogenes replies on Mar 4, 2018:

I do not support Kim Jong Un- but there is something to think about. If Viet Nam had had nuclear weapons, and delivery, the French wouldn't have been there, followed by the American 'liberators'. They wouldn't have had to be treated to the horror of napalm, the slow deaths and birth defects of Agent Orange----or the thrill of having mega tons of explosives dropped on them.----Now there is the question of which is crazier, Trump or Mr. Kim Jong Un?

Hi, I think most who know me on her know my story.

AustinSkepticus comments on Feb 14, 2018:

Congrats! I weighed 80ibs more than I do now a year ago but I took control and I'm on my way to my goal.

Diogenes replies on Mar 4, 2018:

@twshield Hi, I get a laugh ever time I see the advertisement for that exercise machine, probably costs $4,000, "and if a person just uses it for 14 minutes per day, magic will happen". (Ya, sure) If I bought it, I would probably use it wrong; instead of 14 minutes, 13 or 15 minutes. LOL. BIG congrats on your cutting down. At first it is a HUGE amount of effort, don't let anyone lie to you- but the rewards in the end are also HUGE. But normal activity after awhile, just becomes "normal". My uncle had his leg amputated because of diabetes- and this was caused by his lifestyle. When I don't opiate myself with food, I feel restless, like I want to run around the block 50 times- the way I 'want' to feel- a much better feeling than being a bear that gorges itself then hibernates for a large portion of the winter.----Yes, and also remember there is a bit of loneliness when you step out of the fat crowd; you may have to find different acquaintances that value a positive lifestyle.---Hope I don't sound like a preacher. LOL God-dude doesn't want me on his side.

Hi, I think most who know me on her know my story.

AustinSkepticus comments on Feb 14, 2018:

Congrats! I weighed 80ibs more than I do now a year ago but I took control and I'm on my way to my goal.

Diogenes replies on Mar 3, 2018:

@twshield I just read a news article in the paper a few days ago about all the western world being 'fat or gross'. It centered in on Britain, where it said by the age of 40 75% of Brits would be overweight- most of it caused by binge-drinking. Most of my life I have been active, but I 'decided' to get fat, and make a fool of myself, a few years back. I put the disgusting photo on my bathroom mirror. I have lost 46 pounds since then. I am NO hero; it came off slowly. I did NOT concentrate on being on a "diet". Everybody is on a diet, for what; they don't intend to lose anything! Be ULTRA VICIOUS WITH YOURSELF- enjoy health; enjoy your food. (I am a quasi-vegetarian; I eat some fish) I eat lots of veggies, barely cooked, they taste fantastic and have texture; I eat the correct amount of food; I never starve myself. Be with people who are exercising and are talking about interesting things: hiking, going to an art gallery, whatever. This does not mean that having a working knowledge about nutrition is not important.------I hope that what I said encourages someone who takes some aspects of life seriously.

How do you cope with an extreme crisis?

RobAnybody comments on Feb 26, 2018:

Rum and dancing. Quite seriously. On those occasions when I've faced a genuine crisis (the Monash shooting is probably the worst) I've got through and then gone dancing and drinking.

Diogenes replies on Feb 27, 2018:

@RobAnybody St. Paddy's is coming up- I have thought about going out to the Irish club. They will have set dancing, maybe some live-from-Ireland GAA football, hurling, and some fresh Guinness, 'of course'. (I have no intention of being so 'pure' I can't stand myself). One thing they won't have is a bunch of clowns, too drunk to talk, dressed in green, made in China. Honestly, AH get tossed.

How do you cope with an extreme crisis?

RobAnybody comments on Feb 26, 2018:

Rum and dancing. Quite seriously. On those occasions when I've faced a genuine crisis (the Monash shooting is probably the worst) I've got through and then gone dancing and drinking.

Diogenes replies on Feb 26, 2018:

@RobAnybody I got tired of being a falling-down drunk decades ago, when I grew up. I like to 'enjoy my pint'- rather than drink so much that I could swim in it- that has to be a very weird concept. Certainly isn't my "extension of good cheer". I went into the pub late last night, for one, and there was one of the bar flies who had been there since about 13:00. Interesting? Not.

How do you cope with an extreme crisis?

ChrisR comments on Feb 26, 2018:

Depends what the crisis is ... I tend to do a lot of research about how the possible scenarios are likely to play out and then that helps me put everything in perspective and to rationalise the potential options, good and bad.

Diogenes replies on Feb 26, 2018:

Yes, being pragmatic does work in some situations.

How do you cope with an extreme crisis?

HeathenFarmer comments on Feb 26, 2018:

I just reach down within myself and pull out the strength I need to deal with the crisis. I am a person that reacts to problems and crisis very different from most I suspect; I am at my best in the worst of situations. In contrast easy times make me lazy and complacent.

Diogenes replies on Feb 26, 2018:

Yes, agree with your last sentence; every time a person defeats a crisis it makes them stronger- but then we get to another point, if life is just a matter of trying to stay afloat, where a person doesn't actually live a life, but is in a position of survival for the sake of survival, is it worth the effort? Even a fool should know when it is time to quit.

How do you cope with an extreme crisis?

RobAnybody comments on Feb 26, 2018:

Rum and dancing. Quite seriously. On those occasions when I've faced a genuine crisis (the Monash shooting is probably the worst) I've got through and then gone dancing and drinking.

Diogenes replies on Feb 26, 2018:

Rob- I find that when I am at the dead bottom, that having a couple of pints and depressive thinking actually works- getting falling-down drunk, on the other hand, just adds more to the depression. I say I take my Prozac in liquid form.

Do you consider yourself a humanist?

radar54 comments on Feb 24, 2018:

Humanism is a beautiful philosophy and way of living.

Diogenes replies on Feb 25, 2018:

Certainly beats many other philosophies.

Do you consider yourself a humanist?

Shellbell comments on Feb 24, 2018:

From the American Humanist Association: Humanism is a progressive lifestance that, without theism or other supernatural beliefs, affirms our ability and responsibility to lead meaningful, ethical lives capable of adding to the greater good of humanity. So, yes.

Diogenes replies on Feb 25, 2018:

Thanks for the edification; I must admit, I must wake up.

How should Jediism be considered in terms of religion/spirituality?

Junoid comments on Feb 25, 2018:

I don't bother with these questions about what it is or isn't. I'm Agnostic so I can be fine not knowing.

Diogenes replies on Feb 25, 2018:

Me too, agnostic, but I haven't figured out atheists either- why deny something that was never there in the first place, like man made gods? There may be a cognitive entity behind Nature but it has never come forward and revealed anything.

Is there any point in arguing with people who do not value truth or evidence?

PaganMomma comments on Feb 24, 2018:

No, it’s a waste of time. I would rather do something productive.

Diogenes replies on Feb 25, 2018:

So few words, but yes, you have nailed it.

How should Jediism be considered in terms of religion/spirituality?

PeterJohn comments on Feb 25, 2018:

All religions are made up from superstition,but at least star war movies the idea of advanced technologyie their space craft is a strong possibility for the futurebut the idea of a dark force or good force is in the same realm as superstition.

Diogenes replies on Feb 25, 2018:

All religion is fabricated- including the 'new and improved' versions. I can never figure out why there is such joy in wasting time.

How should Jediism be considered in terms of religion/spirituality?

Spinliesel comments on Feb 25, 2018:

You mean Jedism is a thing? It is a movie character! If you want to speak in German syntax, be my guest but a cult? A movement? Sounds like it was invented by and for 13 year old boys.

Diogenes replies on Feb 25, 2018:

But that would denigrate 13 year old boys.

Don’t set the bar too high ;)

sassygirl3869 comments on Jan 1, 2018:

We try not to be non-judgemental don't we? It isn't easy. lol.

Diogenes replies on Feb 20, 2018:

Hi. It's winter time here in the great, frozen north. Yesterday, I walked into a pub; there was a guy with a shirt with no sleeves. I could see that he wasn't too bright, BUT, his skin, his shirt, his pneumonia- and none of my business!

Don’t set the bar too high ;)

MikeInBatonRouge comments on Jan 2, 2018:

We could just say that people who don't judge are people devoid of perspective and experience. ...rather like the gullible rubes the partisan attorneys try to pick for jury trials. ;)

Diogenes replies on Feb 20, 2018:

Ah, shame on me- ' I judge', and to myself I give the harshest review. That tends to be very depressing. But ironically I haven't been insightful enough. In my old age, I am getting a wee bit smarter; I would need to be. When buying a car, I would rather deal with 'Nasty Fred', "What are you, stupid? This is a pile of junk." as opposed to (Very) 'Friendly George', who is thinking, "My first sucker of the day.".

Who is Your Favorite Philosopher?

BlueWave comments on Feb 9, 2018:

I could not name one philosopher except my boss's son - Reuben. He's a genius and I cannot comprehend 90% of what he writes. If you want to beat me at Jeopardy!, your odds of success are greatly multiplied with any category related to philosophy or opera.

Diogenes replies on Feb 18, 2018:

@orange_girl Yes, lots of thought provoking things by some philosophers. Some cartoonist have done some 'amazing' things- wish I was one to do something insightful. Robert Frost wrote his poem, "The Road Less Travelled" (hope I have that correct) "Two paths diverged in an elder wood/ And I took the one less travelled". I can see that in its current context: the sky-high hotels, the pollution, the noise---- and a huge electric sign pointing to a few square inches of ground, declaring, "The Road Less Travelled".

Age is just a number. In reality, I'm "Where the hell did that bruise come from?" years old.

Diogenes comments on Jan 19, 2018:

Hi, I didn't look at your age- I am about 110. In the spring of 2017, I won a month-long rowing contest. Time flies; its hard to believe that that is almost a year ago. But then there are the bruises- and where did that come from? They started about four years ago. Who cares? The 'meat' is warring ...

Diogenes replies on Feb 16, 2018:

"The meat is 'wearing' out". Why did god-dude make me so stupid?

Hiding `Girlie' Magazines Isn't a Sign You Can't Trust Him

HippieChick58 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

Interesting perspective. Men being more visual like the pictures, I like what is referred to as Erotica. For me, it comes down to how are you treating me, how is our relationship? To each his or her own.

Diogenes replies on Feb 14, 2018:

@JackPedigo It's early in the morning, an' that's my excuse for not being able to spell "Frieda Kahlo"- at least I got the first two letters right.

Hiding `Girlie' Magazines Isn't a Sign You Can't Trust Him

HippieChick58 comments on Feb 11, 2018:

Interesting perspective. Men being more visual like the pictures, I like what is referred to as Erotica. For me, it comes down to how are you treating me, how is our relationship? To each his or her own.

Diogenes replies on Feb 14, 2018:

@JackPedigo You were married to Frieda Calough? Oh forgot, she was Mexican. She didn't seem to be concerned by her uni brow; my unsophisticated opinion is that she enhanced it in her paintings. And religion warps everything, including sex, which is a "dirty" act, supposedly.

Hiding `Girlie' Magazines Isn't a Sign You Can't Trust Him

VictoriaNotes comments on Feb 11, 2018:

*"Love, to me, includes a lot of respect for the privacy and integrity of another and that allows honesty and trust. It requires that we respect and trust ourselves."* So well said.

Diogenes replies on Feb 14, 2018:

@JackPedigo Was being a bit pretentious; need to read a bit more about him myself. There must be more to him than his weird sleeping accommodations- and from what I have read, unlike Plato or Socrates, he left very little to read. There used to be a cartoon, Broom Hilda, and in that cartoon was "Gabbler" (if I remember correctly) and it was just eyes shown out of a dark hollow log; think it was a parody on Diogenes..

Hiding `Girlie' Magazines Isn't a Sign You Can't Trust Him

VictoriaNotes comments on Feb 11, 2018:

*"Love, to me, includes a lot of respect for the privacy and integrity of another and that allows honesty and trust. It requires that we respect and trust ourselves."* So well said.

Diogenes replies on Feb 13, 2018:

@VictoriaNotes Never heard of the Coolidge Effect either- and hate showing my ignorance; it's my big ego. I believe he was known as "Silent Cal". Will have to look this up.

Hiding `Girlie' Magazines Isn't a Sign You Can't Trust Him

VictoriaNotes comments on Feb 11, 2018:

*"Love, to me, includes a lot of respect for the privacy and integrity of another and that allows honesty and trust. It requires that we respect and trust ourselves."* So well said.

Diogenes replies on Feb 13, 2018:

@JackPedigo I have never heard of Jennifer James- another item to add to the long list of things that I should know, but don't. She certainly lives a rounded life, even to her Betty Crocker award; some people would find that trite that she would get a 'kitchen award'. Thanks for putting that on. I do question her long radio career though, where she was popular. Items of importance are usually not very popular with the masses.

Hiding `Girlie' Magazines Isn't a Sign You Can't Trust Him

VictoriaNotes comments on Feb 11, 2018:

*"Love, to me, includes a lot of respect for the privacy and integrity of another and that allows honesty and trust. It requires that we respect and trust ourselves."* So well said.

Diogenes replies on Feb 12, 2018:

And isn't it great when the 'machine', computer, can decide when a person wants to put a 'smiley face in.

Hiding `Girlie' Magazines Isn't a Sign You Can't Trust Him

VictoriaNotes comments on Feb 11, 2018:

*"Love, to me, includes a lot of respect for the privacy and integrity of another and that allows honesty and trust. It requires that we respect and trust ourselves."* So well said.

Diogenes replies on Feb 12, 2018:

I guess what a person does in private is what defines one- that includes me or anyone else. There are tabloids (some call them "newspapers") and TV channels around here, that feature nothing but 'rivers of gore': war, axe-murders, any disgusting thing that the warped brain can think of- hey, but this is acceptable viewing! If there is adult, heterosexual scenes in a movie, there is a big notice before the movie, saying, "This movie contains sexual/adult content". Porn gets to be very boring; just the same old garbage, but I will take that over the other garbage offered. But sex is rather natural; that's how we all got here.

We die therefore we exist or exit?

ripcurldane comments on Feb 12, 2018:

Well when we sleep, do we die and then resurrect? how do we really know? Maybe we never lived, maybe we wake up, but really we were born at that very moment ready made with loads of memories as if we had a life beofrehand, and then maybe when we sleep, we are really shutting down and exitting.

Diogenes replies on Feb 12, 2018:

Something to consider about sleep: if we sleep to the recommended eight hours a day, and live to 60, we have slept for 20 years.

We die therefore we exist or exit?

birdingnut comments on Feb 12, 2018:

Not sure what you mean..could you rephrase the question? We are made of matter, which is really another form of energy, and since energy can't be created or destroyed, we have always existed and will always exist in some energy form.

Diogenes replies on Feb 12, 2018:

Not sure what his question is either. He needs to speak clearly- instead of indulging in a failed attempt at profundity.

Who is Your Favorite Philosopher?

BlueWave comments on Feb 9, 2018:

I could not name one philosopher except my boss's son - Reuben. He's a genius and I cannot comprehend 90% of what he writes. If you want to beat me at Jeopardy!, your odds of success are greatly multiplied with any category related to philosophy or opera.

Diogenes replies on Feb 11, 2018:

@BlueWave "Aphrodisiacs"- I believe these clowns just 'like' to do evil things- but they would never like the same thing done to them.

Fellow agnostics, how do you feel about believers joining?

CatByrd comments on Nov 10, 2017:

I feel that this isn't a place that is created to function as a debate center, or a recruitment center. What other reason would a "true believer" have to join an "agnostic" group? In other words, no, no, and hell no.

Diogenes replies on Feb 11, 2018:

@walklightly You "don't have to believe in reality"- and I "feel" for you!

How do you feel about the way the American government disregarded every treaty ever made with Native...

AnneWimsey comments on Feb 10, 2018:

About the same way i feel about drumpy and DACA....sad & mad!

Diogenes replies on Feb 10, 2018:

Anne, and everyone else reading this. 'It', the theft of life and land, didn't just happen in the US; it happened in Canada, Australia, the African Continent, etc. Anyone accepting a Rhodes Scholarship is accepting one that was purchased with the lives of many blacks in the former Rhodesia. Cecil Rhodes was exceptionally evil, from what I have read.

Who is Your Favorite Philosopher?

BlueWave comments on Feb 9, 2018:

I could not name one philosopher except my boss's son - Reuben. He's a genius and I cannot comprehend 90% of what he writes. If you want to beat me at Jeopardy!, your odds of success are greatly multiplied with any category related to philosophy or opera.

Diogenes replies on Feb 10, 2018:

Thought I would get back to you for a second. First, when I say something I mean it; otherwise I keep my trap shut- or 'try' to keep it shut! LOL Anyway you have an interesting profile- and that's what I wanted to say. Very much agree with what you had to say about the "sport" of hunting. To me it is only sport when the animal can shoot back. There was a news article about a trophy hunter trying to kill his second lion, but was killed instead. Too bad it didn't happen sooner.------- How has the party of Lincoln dropped so low, to the level of that vulgar buffoon? Yes, agree with you there too.

Who is Your Favorite Philosopher?

BlueWave comments on Feb 9, 2018:

I could not name one philosopher except my boss's son - Reuben. He's a genius and I cannot comprehend 90% of what he writes. If you want to beat me at Jeopardy!, your odds of success are greatly multiplied with any category related to philosophy or opera.

Diogenes replies on Feb 10, 2018:

@BlueWave Ya, my big ego likes the easy questions too. LOL. I actively avoid so-called "country" and country singers. In the "country" they have cows- and these so-called country singers probably don't even know which end of the cow to 'pump the milk out of'. Excuse my weird sense of humour. Have a super day.

Who is Your Favorite Philosopher?

BlueWave comments on Feb 9, 2018:

I could not name one philosopher except my boss's son - Reuben. He's a genius and I cannot comprehend 90% of what he writes. If you want to beat me at Jeopardy!, your odds of success are greatly multiplied with any category related to philosophy or opera.

Diogenes replies on Feb 9, 2018:

Sometimes I do well at Jeopardy- and the next time, not so great. When they have questions about a hypothetical grunge 'band': Fractured Fred and his 'great' band, The Barbequed Brains- I don't know; I don't ever want to know- and I don't care. I find it odd that someone would not be interested in the testing and comparison of ideas, as in philosophy.

I was told by a Christian that atheist stay stressed cause they always doing research on everything.

LeighShelton comments on Jan 30, 2018:

well, they can be obsessed with the same fairy tale.

Diogenes replies on Feb 9, 2018:

@LeighShelton NOT that kind of "argue"- that kind of arguing usually causes me to blow up. I like to be around someone with a brain- and I pretend that I have one too. LOL

I was told by a Christian that atheist stay stressed cause they always doing research on everything.

EricTrommater comments on Jan 29, 2018:

We're always stressed because believers keep telling we're always stessed.

Diogenes replies on Feb 8, 2018:

I am NEVER stressed by evangelicals, ( I am so far past religion that I can talk with and work with some 'good hearted' people) but religious loons may cause me to laugh

Martin Luther King Jr said: Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.

Mooolah comments on Feb 4, 2018:

But he did not try & force feed his god down my throat as if I was a foie gras goose. He moved a nation that we could all sit & have a sandwich at a lunch counter. A practitioner of Christ's manifeso & not a Xtian hypocrite.

Diogenes replies on Feb 8, 2018:

@Countrywoman YES, I agree with you 100% on the lunch counter, riding on the bus, toilets- or anything to do with all that evil era. But that was not my point. My point was non-theist think more- and are more liable to be aware of many issues, including animal welfare.

Martin Luther King Jr said: Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.

Mooolah comments on Feb 4, 2018:

But he did not try & force feed his god down my throat as if I was a foie gras goose. He moved a nation that we could all sit & have a sandwich at a lunch counter. A practitioner of Christ's manifeso & not a Xtian hypocrite.

Diogenes replies on Feb 5, 2018:

I selected NO "smiley" face for my reply. These "helps" make me angry.

Martin Luther King Jr said: Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.

Mooolah comments on Feb 4, 2018:

But he did not try & force feed his god down my throat as if I was a foie gras goose. He moved a nation that we could all sit & have a sandwich at a lunch counter. A practitioner of Christ's manifeso & not a Xtian hypocrite.

Diogenes replies on Feb 5, 2018:

I don't get or understand your "Christ's manifesto-bit". How did a fictitious character write anything? A person needs no "manifestos" to lead a 'decent life'. 'Considering' this world and universe and the residents in it might be a great way to start though. From stats that I have read, more secular people are vegetarian than theist. Anything with four legs is just "meat" to theists. Okay, why not barbeque Fido?--------- I agree with the first part of what you said. And it was a nasty (or 'more nasty') world we lived in decades ago.

Fellow agnostics, how do you feel about believers joining?

CatByrd comments on Nov 10, 2017:

I feel that this isn't a place that is created to function as a debate center, or a recruitment center. What other reason would a "true believer" have to join an "agnostic" group? In other words, no, no, and hell no.

Diogenes replies on Feb 3, 2018:

But I am a "true believer"- I believe in reality- so obviously that negates religion! LOL

I was told by a Christian that atheist stay stressed cause they always doing research on everything.

Freedompath comments on Jan 30, 2018:

I have found on the 'whole,' Christians do not like to think deeply. One of my daughter's has told me for most of her adult life (40yr), that I 'put to much into everything!' And so far as I can see, not one thing I have said or done has changed her Evangelical mind!

Diogenes replies on Feb 1, 2018:

@Freedompath I live north of Toronto. Ya, we get Fox, but we also get one that is more dimwitted than that, CP24, and that one is on in very many pubs.('Seriously', a damned good reason to stay out of booze joints.) I call it the "Happy Channel". It is a nonstop 'serenade' of every vulgar thing that has happened in the world. And for radio, CHFI; this station advertises their, "perfect music mix". Let's see, 'their mix-thing' is 15 advertisements in a row followed by a few seconds of howling- Music? I seem to have missed the "music" part. Yes, these ugly sounds are at fitness, grocery stores, and other places that a person must enter. But there are papers here that actually have 'news' coverage, yes, sometimes slanted, but aren't they all? Haven't seen a copy of NY Times in a long time. And when a person is at home, there is the internet, and music and features from all over the world. It's a choice.

I was told by a Christian that atheist stay stressed cause they always doing research on everything.

Atheistman comments on Jan 29, 2018:

Floyd Mayweather put it like this: give me more stress, because it'll make me a diamond. When you put stress on coal, it makes a diamond (or pressure)

Diogenes replies on Jan 31, 2018:

Hi. Right now I have too much stress- and it is NOT making me into a "diamond"; it is breaking me down and wearing me out. A point to make: the more one thinks, the smaller the group one can converse with.

I was told by a Christian that atheist stay stressed cause they always doing research on everything.

Freedompath comments on Jan 30, 2018:

I have found on the 'whole,' Christians do not like to think deeply. One of my daughter's has told me for most of her adult life (40yr), that I 'put to much into everything!' And so far as I can see, not one thing I have said or done has changed her Evangelical mind!

Diogenes replies on Jan 31, 2018:

@Freedompath I think you have figured out your daughter, with her Fox News and her over talking to drown out any other conversation. Wise people will avoid talking with your daughter. Who would talk about anything on Fox anyway? There was a program on PBS last night about the fire at The Triangle Shirt Waist Factory in 1911. This is not a pleasant film to watch, about girls leaping from the 12th floor and coming down, like torches, with their clothes on fire. The point here is not about the macabre- but about being informed- about how it relates to current events and crimes of today. And PBS has 'many' different subjects; hypothetically, it could be about Roman coins next.

I was told by a Christian that atheist stay stressed cause they always doing research on everything.

Freedompath comments on Jan 30, 2018:

I have found on the 'whole,' Christians do not like to think deeply. One of my daughter's has told me for most of her adult life (40yr), that I 'put to much into everything!' And so far as I can see, not one thing I have said or done has changed her Evangelical mind!

Diogenes replies on Jan 30, 2018:

Does she believe that 'anything', dinosaur or anything else, has ever come back from the dead? What did JC do to make the champaign dinners for the "multitude", wave his magic wand over the stale bagel and can of outdated sardines? Too foolish to be even funny!

I was told by a Christian that atheist stay stressed cause they always doing research on everything.

LeighShelton comments on Jan 30, 2018:

well, they can be obsessed with the same fairy tale.

Diogenes replies on Jan 30, 2018:

@LeighShelton I am NOT a "happy heathen"; wish I could find a female heathen to argue with and laugh with.

I was told by a Christian that atheist stay stressed cause they always doing research on everything.

Duke comments on Jan 29, 2018:

Christians are stress free because they can do anything they want and then just ask for forgiveness. We, on the other hand, have to be accountable for our actions.

Diogenes replies on Jan 30, 2018:

Ya, being "accountable" for one's actions is VERY depressing- and that is why I 'try' to lead a better life. I can remember all the evil things I have done----- I must have, by chance or design, done something good.

I was told by a Christian that atheist stay stressed cause they always doing research on everything.

Dick_Martin comments on Jan 29, 2018:

I came to the conclusion years ago that cows are happier not knowing the whole story. They're better off stupid. So why not be a cow? I pondered that question all through lunch at What-a-Burger.

Diogenes replies on Jan 30, 2018:

"A cow is stupid"- I didn't know that. It loves its calf- and that is more than many humans can say about their parenting. While you are chowing down at "What-a-burger", and being 'flippant' (being flippant gets to be tired and worn out) you have, we have, no idea of what Nature has in store for us; maybe we will come back as a cow, that is just being loaded into one of those murder transports.

I was told by a Christian that atheist stay stressed cause they always doing research on everything.

Camellen comments on Jan 30, 2018:

I don't know what makes you stressed, but I'm stressed that we're all spralling towards the great void of nonexistence, and even our best efforts can only slow the fall. Then I remember that stress is damaging to my health and stess out even more. Then I have a panic attack. So fun.

Diogenes replies on Jan 30, 2018:

"great void of nonexistence"! I have no idea what is near at hand- and Nature, if it is cognitive, has never sent a messenger to tell us.

This night I have been thinking about a subject that I wanted to post about.

ashley44 comments on Jan 23, 2018:

How old are you?

Diogenes replies on Jan 29, 2018:

@Gert, "80"? You give up easily. LOL. There is a 'little' lady at fitness (she is little). The local paper had a write up about her two or three years ago at age 92. She is at fitness almost every day. Think she is into 'weight lifting' too; the books she brings in are bigger than she is; she puts them on the shelf in front of the treadmill and reads. Her cognitive abilities are not 'in any' way diminished. Oh ya, and I won a month-long rowing contest last year. Don't dis the geezers! LOL

This night I have been thinking about a subject that I wanted to post about.

ashley44 comments on Jan 24, 2018:

Hi Gert - The reason I asked about your age, was done with a rather humorous intent. I am 73 years old. I find that my memory is a bit less than it used to be. I have a friend who is 69 years old and he used to practically have a photographic memory. He says he can't remember things as quickly ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 29, 2018:

Ashley good morning. Many decades ago I went out with someone that turned from Anglican to Roman Catholic, and in so doing she found it necessary to outperform the Catholics at their own game. She told me once that one of the nuns laughed at her. I can only guess that the nun had come to realize how foolish the system was. And celibacy! How many Catholics know anything about it? "Celibacy? Oh it was from the start." The First Lateran Council to the Council of Trent means nothing to them. For a healthy man, or woman to be celebrate is unnatural, while from what I have read, one Pope fathered nine children in the Vatican. But the churches in southern Deutschland and Holland are Catholic and they are very liberal. My former true-love was from Limburg, the southern most province in Holland, and when we were together, the idea of talking about religion never occurred- we had interesting things to talk about. To me, the 'Protestants' (I was one) are every bit as crazy. Have a most spectacular day.

Fellow agnostics, how do you feel about believers joining?

Alliegirl comments on Oct 1, 2017:

Today is my first day, but the reason I joined was to get away from religious view points and be able to be in a community of people who lean more toward the way I look at things. I get the religious perspective all the time. However, if they are respectful of our beliefs as I am with anyone ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 28, 2018:

@Alliegirl Sometimes things get confusing on here; I was responding to the person above. If a person is leading a decent life- it is absolutely none of my business whether they believe in fairy tales or not. I agree with you 100%. And there are too many things in my own life that I wish I had the power to take back.

Just a thought.

HippieChick58 comments on Jan 28, 2018:

That was one of the points of the Protestant Reformation, that the common folks should have access to bibles in the common language. The priests of course did not want that, that would mean giving up some of their authority and power. It seems to me that religion has never really been based on ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 28, 2018:

In the ten 'Thou shall nots', there is no mention of 'Thou shall be honest'. And just wouldn't that one throw a big wrench into the works!

This night I have been thinking about a subject that I wanted to post about.

Coffeo comments on Jan 23, 2018:

I am 74 (as of two days ago), and this sort of thing happens to me quite a lot. The thing I am trying to remember generally comes back to me, though not necessarily at the most opportune time. I don't think the fact that I long ago lost my religious faith has anything whatever to do with it.

Diogenes replies on Jan 28, 2018:

I did not "lose" my religious faith. The religious tell a person not to listen to the "Devil", not even the first time. Pick one: did anyone ever come back from the dead, walk on water, etc.? Once a person starts to think, it is a mad rush to get out the church door. 74! I'm about 110. Memory wasn't too bad at a 100, but now it is starting to go.

Good morning everyone! So a friend of mine responded to a pastors video about a black man asking if...

Gert comments on Jan 27, 2018:

It is really a dilemma. I come from their world and I want them to think about the absurdity too. On the other hand, religions give a lot of people some piece of mind and they feel support by thinking there is an entity that is there to sooth them. I also do respect the Christians that I know. ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 28, 2018:

If religious people are leading a decent life- and they believe in fairy tales, so what? Who cares? Tipping windmills or going on crusades is not my forte either. As far as the crusades, they were some of the bloodiest pages of history- why didn't the murderers just mind their own business?

Good morning everyone! So a friend of mine responded to a pastors video about a black man asking if...

Rudy1962 comments on Jan 27, 2018:

It does get old. Religious people feel free to openly express their beliefs. However, if someone says they don't believe in God, they are considered rude and aggressive. Oh yah, or a militant Atheist. People think they are open minded by saying "I accept you're an atheist, but don't go around ...

Diogenes replies on Jan 28, 2018:

@Rudy1962 Ya, right. If I met a religious person with an injured leg. I would say, "I hope your leg heals." because that has meaning. I would not say, "God will heal you." because I know there is no god/s, and it shows that I have contempt for that person. 'Sincerity'- just because someone believes in fairy tales is no reason to wish harm on them- and I would not wish that.