I hope this isn't considered being nosy, but I have been wondering about our fellow member ...

Spinliesel comments on Nov 5, 2021:

`I am not dead yet. Made it home from the family funeral event but had some serious side effects from a new prescription that was supposed to make me all better. Seeing my doctor in about an hour, I promise to get better soon and keep in better touch. Spinliesel is Antje

Fernapple replies on Nov 10, 2021:

Good glad to have you back.

More on my favourites, you need to watch this when relaxed for a while, (its an hour) but it is ...

Willow_Wisp comments on Nov 9, 2021:

I feed from 30 to 40 crows twice a day at my office. I was shocked they can eat so many peanuts, but just like me feeding them it's just an excuse for us to study one another.

Fernapple replies on Nov 9, 2021:

Well done you, that is beautiful.

How a country teaches or inculcates belief at an early age?

Castlepaloma comments on Nov 9, 2021:

The odd justice happen to keep the system afloat Most part it is an un-justice system about money and power. More for them and less for most of us.

Fernapple replies on Nov 9, 2021:

Justice is in pratice an impossiblity anyway, the justice "system" is a religious body which is encouraging people to follow an impossible dream. Perhaps it is an essential of government that it should pose as a provider of justice, to gain enough support to govern, but no government has ever been successful in practice.

Can anyone give me the number of times the phrase "put to death" is in the bible?

Fernapple comments on Nov 8, 2021:

Interesting. Why would you want to know, please ?

Fernapple replies on Nov 8, 2021:

@mattbullis I would love to know how many times it uses the word "knew" in the so called biblical sense.

Please send roasted and salted Cashews, NOT peanuts please.

creative51 comments on Nov 8, 2021:

Facebook banned me for actually doing nothing! I had an account, made no posts, no comments, just looked at others posts. So they kicked me off in April of this year. I do not miss it one bit.

Fernapple replies on Nov 8, 2021:

You can get that, Wow !!

Religion is great for the greedy lazy narcissist, because it is the one thing which justifies ...

Julie808 comments on Nov 7, 2021:

Agree with your assessment, though I had never thought to articulate it in such a way. Surrounded by New Age nuts in my community, I have found they seem to demand some sort of elevated respect for believing trees talk to them, or that the universe has found them a parking spot. Calling some ...

Fernapple replies on Nov 8, 2021:

Yours is a very good assessment, and based in first hand experience which is useful. Thank you.

Religion is great for the greedy lazy narcissist, because it is the one thing which justifies ...

MikeInBatonRouge comments on Nov 7, 2021:

I must admit I have not spent much brainpower sorting out the failings of new age religion. Yanni music, people fawning over crystals, and pop guris styling themselves as eastern mystics while speaking in riddles to avoid any scrutiny against their actual lack of profundity was all enough to ...

Fernapple replies on Nov 8, 2021:

You are obviously a strong person to survive the encounter. I just picked out one small feature that they all have in common, from a safe distance, addressing the whole mess is just too much.

“Three things in human life are important: the first is to be kind; the second is to be kind; ...

skado comments on Nov 7, 2021:

To whatever extent we attempt to modify our level of kindness beyond our instinctual impulses, we are practicing “religion”.

Fernapple replies on Nov 8, 2021:

@Marionville What is to be seen here is a very crude example of false equivalence, probably double false equivalence. As in. My cat is black , therefore all black things are cats and all cats are black. Since because some parts of religion are cultural modifiers creating wider altruism, it does not follow that all cultural modifiers of that type are religion, or that all religion, even all religious cultural modifiers are of that type. ( Many religious modifiers actually promote hate, for one example, some may be neutral.) Therefore the statement. “You are doing religion.” Is quite bogus for several reasons. What you can certainly take away from this is, just how destructive and corrosive to the human personality religion and especially apologetics are. Such quite crude tricks and pathetic attempts at, what is basically little more than linguistic sophistry, are common in religious apologetics. So that many people who live in the echo chambers of religion, especially religious apologetics, become so accustomed to such deceptions, and to the continuous habit of self deception, which is a daily custom. That in many of the saddest and most pathetic victims, their personalities are eroded to the point where they are no longer able understand let alone use such basic human qualities as honesty or critical judgement.

“Three things in human life are important: the first is to be kind; the second is to be kind; ...

skado comments on Nov 7, 2021:

To whatever extent we attempt to modify our level of kindness beyond our instinctual impulses, we are practicing “religion”.

Fernapple replies on Nov 7, 2021:

@skado That is invalid because there are, and always have been, many other cultural modifiers besides religion, all of which will produce that effect. Including nationhood, trade, shared artistic endevour, moral philosophy, and civic community, to name but a few. To claim all of it for religion is therefore, quite bogus, and since all of the above have historically now far exceded religion as promoters of altruism, and continue to prove more successful, out of date.

“Three things in human life are important: the first is to be kind; the second is to be kind; ...

Mcflewster comments on Nov 7, 2021:

I kind of like that.

Fernapple replies on Nov 7, 2021:

Yes me too.

There is a growing movement among the medical world, about the benefits of nature to health.

Julie808 comments on Nov 7, 2021:

There's some truth to that I believe. I'm lucky to be able to live, work, walk and bike with breathtaking scenery all around me. Sometimes I feel like my heart is going to burst with joy at such beauty, fresh air, pleasant wildlife sounds. I enjoy watching the colors change in the sky as the world...

Fernapple replies on Nov 7, 2021:

SSounds like a wonderful way to live. May you long enjoy it.

Exactly....

LucyLoohoo comments on Nov 6, 2021:

"God" isn't really ''useless'' if you're looking for a tool to control the masses. That's his biggest value...control of others.

Fernapple replies on Nov 7, 2021:

@Lizard_of_Ahaz He was one of the tools the priests used to justify their false authority, now he is not working so well, a lot of would be fake leaders are dropping him, and just keeping all the other props that religion offers the con-artist. Its called new ageism.

It is not the flags and banners which kill you and win the battle.

MikeInBatonRouge comments on Nov 5, 2021:

I like to imagine your 2nd paragraph. In fact, prior to the pandemic, I was attending monthly meetings doing just that. They DO exist. I am sure no one here is the slightest bit shocked to hear my group here is actually a secular humanistic Freethinkers group. The problem is, though, such ...

Fernapple replies on Nov 6, 2021:

Well done. It is a tall order and my second para. was mainly hypothetical to throw light on just how the first is so extremely stupid. As I said to Mcflewster below though, in the UK we do find that as the churches fade at least the specialist, ( geeky if you like ,) clubs do grow, it may not be ideal, but it is something better than church.

Really stupid FaceBook robots at work.

MikeInBatonRouge comments on Nov 6, 2021:

Where's that face-palm emoji when you need it?

Fernapple replies on Nov 6, 2021:

I don't know if FB have one. LOL

1. There is something alive, down on the ground in my garden. 2. Problem solved, terminated.

Mooolah comments on Nov 5, 2021:

Cats are master predators & millions of wildlife perish at their prowess. My neutered, Zoot Suit, exits the dog door. He has a collar with bright orange hazard tape circumnavigating it. Birds see color. He also has a semi loud bell to warn the rodents. He usually brings me live prey as a baby ...

Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2021:

I don't keep a cat of my own. The one in the photo is from next door, they are lovely animals but the effects they have on wildlife is too much.

"No man is capable of causing great evil without thinking he is doing the right thing.

JackPedigo comments on Nov 5, 2021:

It has been, rightly, said that no one can handle the idea they are bad. Everyone, no matter how much death and destruction they cause, they do feel, somehow it is for a good cause. My former wife, a strong Christian and also having bi-polar disease, once tole a small group of us that she knows ...

Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2021:

Not sure, I often feel that I have done bad things, and do not think of them as forgivable, I just hope that that on ballance the good things have more value. To use the most banal of all historical comparisons. I often like to think of Europe's great twentieth century dictators. For while, I am sure that Hitler certainly did think that he was in the right and was doing good. Stalin I am also pretty sure, knew that a lot of his actions were evil and harmful, but decided to carry on anyway. The fact that he avoided visiting the country in later life, quite deliberately, because the famines he caused were far worse in rural areas, and he did not wish to face them, kind of proves it.

It is not the flags and banners which kill you and win the battle.

Mcflewster comments on Nov 5, 2021:

It won't happen unless YOU( meaning every reader ) makes it happen. It is a good idea. Things do happen but never in the way you expect. Do you think this would happen in the Greta( i.e young ) community i.e unfettered by us oldies?

Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2021:

No, I do not think it has the remotest chance of happening. The only reason for the second part, which is purely hypothetical, was to put the negative comment in the first part in prespective. But to a lesser extent it has happened in the UK, and may happen in even to those unlucky enough to live across the pond, but it tends to be more specialist, hobby, clubs which benefit as the churches decline, no bad thing but not the big idea.

"I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken" Oliver ...

Diogenes comments on Nov 3, 2021:

Okay, everyone knows who Ollie is- but what is this about?

Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2021:

@Diogenes Though Oliver was not beheaded until after he was dead.

It is not the flags and banners which kill you and win the battle.

AnneWimsey comments on Nov 5, 2021:

Umm, it sounds great, until you think about the red-hatted MAGA--fools who would no doubt show up

Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2021:

No, it is only a comment on what is wrong, not something that could ever happen.

1. There is something alive, down on the ground in my garden. 2. Problem solved, terminated.

Triphid comments on Nov 5, 2021:

You have a cat to 'terminate' garden intruders, I have Joanna the Goanna she turfs unwanted pest out of the gardens IF they are not edible and even scares door-knocking Religio-tards away if she gets half a chance.

Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2021:

@Triphid All females have that. LOL

1. There is something alive, down on the ground in my garden. 2. Problem solved, terminated.

Triphid comments on Nov 5, 2021:

You have a cat to 'terminate' garden intruders, I have Joanna the Goanna she turfs unwanted pest out of the gardens IF they are not edible and even scares door-knocking Religio-tards away if she gets half a chance.

Fernapple replies on Nov 5, 2021:

Wonderful. Does she have a sister ?

"No man is capable of causing great evil without thinking he is doing the right thing.

p-nullifidian comments on Nov 4, 2021:

I trust we can agree that evil people will do evil, whether or not they believe in the correctness of what they are doing. So perhaps Socrates was contemplating the evil that otherwise good people do? If so, this sentiment was furthered by Steven Weinberg, in his now famous critique of religion: ...

Fernapple replies on Nov 4, 2021:

Yes that was in part who I had in mind when I sellected the quote.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Nov 4, 2021:

@JeffMurray No just expounding on your idea.

I'm so so sorry to do this friends but I have to leave you for ever, I've finally found the TRUE ...

bobwjr comments on Nov 4, 2021:

Has it been verified

Fernapple replies on Nov 4, 2021:

Yep, I will verify it, I saw it earlier this morning. So if it is the same post after at least three hours it must be true, because you can't question ancient wisdom can you......?

Strange, mysterious and incestuous ways - maybe just the sort of logic that you have to believe in ...

Lorajay comments on Nov 4, 2021:

Well my racist grandfather explained it to me. He said when they went out to the Land of Nod they married monkeys and that's where black people came from. Of course that actually could be used to justify the fact that we all came from Africa and we all have the same ancestors. I immediately asked...

Fernapple replies on Nov 4, 2021:

Even biology says that we are all decended from mitochondrial eve, so whichever way you jump, there is an aweful lot of incest.

I'm so so sorry to do this friends but I have to leave you for ever, I've finally found the TRUE ...

racocn8 comments on Nov 3, 2021:

Self-referencing statements often give rise to logical paradoxes. As example: "Is your answer to this question "no"?

Fernapple replies on Nov 4, 2021:

Or. The second half of this sentence is correct, but the first half of it is false.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

skado comments on Oct 29, 2021:

The article linked below claims that the issue is based on which action more severely undermines the effort to correct intergenerational injustices. If, for example, reparations for Blacks were being considered, should one qualify for reparations simply by “feeling” Black, when neither they nor...

Fernapple replies on Nov 4, 2021:

@TheMiddleWay Yep I think that is a good, and accurate summing.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Nov 4, 2021:

@JeffMurray Will have to give your several points some thought, and get back to you. But with regard to the suffering of animals, I think that you have first to ask if suffering in general is not a natural and normal part of life, and if it is not just a human religious delusion that it can be avoided. For all creatures including humans have to die and be consumed by others in the end. In the Western world we may, ( it is debatable, ) have found the resources and technical means to reduce human suffering to a degree. It is debatable, since our attempts to prolong life indefinitely, may really only be adding to and prolonging suffering. It is probably also a delusion, that we can extend suffering free life to all of humanity, or even find the resources to maintain the levels of health and material comfort we now enjoy in the West in the long term. What is certain, is that we will never be able to do that for all of animal life, and even if we were to do so, nature would in time simply find ways of readjusting the balance, such as evolving creatures with lower pain thresholds. ( Which will happen to us too given time.) Therefore morally and practically, it is almost certainly needful to distinguish between two different types of pain and distress, the types which are natural, even healthy and inevitable, and those which are unnatural and needless. Which is where I think many animal rights groups go wrong, especially in their criticism of meat eating and hunting etc. because they forget that every animal has to die, almost all die long before old age sets in to any depth, if one animal does not die another must do so to prevent over use of resources, and nature does not care at all how much pain and discomfort death entails. The only agent of death which does care, is the human hunter and farmer, most of whom take care to kill with as little pain and distress as possible. ( I am speaking of Western Europe here, it may be different in the USA. ) So that human hunting and possibly even farming, at the point of killing, is almost certainly a net reducer of suffering. ( To a buffalo a well aimed bullet is certainly less hurtful than being pulled down, lamed and disemboweled while still alive, by the wolf pack. ) For that reason I think that killing and eating, which are perfectly natural anyway, are a distraction from the main issues, which really should be the suffering caused by animal keeping, especially things like factory farming where animals endure lives of almost permanent distress. And even pet keeping where often loving owners,who are nonetheless quite ignorant of their animals real needs, put animals though whole lifetimes of suffering. Despite often being animal rights activists, even vegans, who would rightly be horrified by dog ...

"I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken" Oliver ...

Diogenes comments on Nov 3, 2021:

Okay, everyone knows who Ollie is- but what is this about?

Fernapple replies on Nov 3, 2021:

From a letter to the Church of Scotland, I believe about changing sides from Parlimentarian to Royalist. (They were looking for the best deal for the church of course.)

The unexamined life is not worth living. Attributed to Socrates.

Diogenes comments on Nov 3, 2021:

"Not worth living"- well I would prefer not to examine mine too studiously. An' poor old Soc, if one sticks to telling the truth, they may end up drinking the hemlock cocktail.

Fernapple replies on Nov 3, 2021:

Very true.

The unexamined life is not worth living. Attributed to Socrates.

Marionville comments on Nov 3, 2021:

…as long as that examination doesn’t turn into navel-gazing!

Fernapple replies on Nov 3, 2021:

Yes I think that that is one of his more pompus ones, perhaps.

This is brilliant and depressing [scheerpost.com]

Barnie2years comments on Nov 3, 2021:

Every civilization dies at some point, be it the Romans or the Incas, the Greeks or the Turks. Our clock is ticking, we have been advancing for more than 250 years and our age is showing. The enemies within are almost always stronger than the enemies without. And with the rest of the world suffering...

Fernapple replies on Nov 3, 2021:

Yes there are far bigger monsters waiting to ravage Western civilization and the globe, than just the failing of Americas capital military partnership, which now increacingly seems just a small local matter when viewed globally. Except for the harm the dying beast could do, and has perhaps started to do, in its death throws.

Finished a quilt I started last spring. It's called "ponds."

Fernapple comments on Nov 2, 2021:

Wonderful. I would love to have that on my bed.

Fernapple replies on Nov 2, 2021:

@Gwendolyn2018 Oh well, no worries, I spent my last million on booze and loose women, and the rest I just wasted.

Smart people learn from everything and everyone, average people from their experiences, stupid ...

Marionville comments on Nov 2, 2021:

Or think they do!

Fernapple replies on Nov 2, 2021:

I think that we can assume that that is what was meant, even given the translation from ancient Greek, it would be hard to lose that irony.

"Understanding a question is half an answer." Socrates.

waitingforgodo comments on Nov 1, 2021:

I'm enjoying the Socratic epigrams: what Socrates wrote is similar to what Jesus said.

Fernapple replies on Nov 2, 2021:

Socrates would have been perhaps, the most talked about thinker in the Eastern Mediterranean at the time of Jesus, and Greek ideas were at the hight of fashion with the Jews then, so most educated people would probably have known him well. I am not saying that the gospel writers were plagiarists, but if it looks like a fish, feels like a fish, and smells like a fish..........? Plus all that we know about Socrates thoughts comes second hand, from the writings of other philosophers like Plato and Xenophon, and his great fame started when he was put to death by the state, he earn a lot of prestige because of that. I am not saying that the idea for a basic literary format could be borrowed, but …......?

I have a friend that is falling in love.

barjoe comments on Nov 1, 2021:

I have friends who get like that and a few months later they are moping around all devastated. Why even bother?

Fernapple replies on Nov 1, 2021:

Yep. I think that real love grows slowly over time, especially by giving your hearts to other things together.

I have a friend that is falling in love.

Sticks48 comments on Nov 1, 2021:

I know exactly what you mean. People on here can say what they want about life is better alone, but for me a life shared is way better, period.

Fernapple replies on Nov 1, 2021:

Could not agree more. Any thing shared is way better, and your pleasure in a loved ones joys is always twice that you take in your own.

Anyone know why my photos display upside down or sideways when I post them?

Fernapple comments on Oct 31, 2021:

This site only displays photos landscape fashion, always has, just crop the images to be wider than high.

Fernapple replies on Nov 1, 2021:

@FrayedBear Well done. It never worked for me.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Nov 1, 2021:

@JeffMurray Ok lets try. To tell the truth I can not see much reason at all why, race and sex/gender are different, both are based in genetic biology and both have social/cultural constructs built onto them. The main difference is just a quantitative thing rather that a mater of quality, in that race is controlled by very few genetic differences. (Hence he reason why skin colour is even better because the genes are smaller in number and quite definable and measurable in the morphotype. ) While sex/gender is a whole chromosome at least. The main difference therefore is that we can identify race, especially the blending of race, easily. Indeed are forced to do so, since it is plain that a person of intermediate race will have parents belonging to different races, and most of the time an obvious intermediate colour and appearance. Where persons of intermediate sex/gender will have parents of both sexes just like everyone else, plus the most obvious morphological differences are typically hidden due to cultural custom, at least in the west. As also, are the mental differences which are entirely private within the brain, ( there probably being few if any important mental differences between races, because of the tiny genetic changes. )Therefore it was my contention that the difference between race and sex/gender is that; the differences between sex/gender are large and mainly concealed, while the differences between races are small but in plain sight and obvious. (This must be so, since small differences would only become culturally significant if they were obvious, we do not for example, commonly divide people into groups based on the ability to curl tongues , since though it is a genetic difference, it is for the most part invisible.) It follows that obvious differences will be well accounted for by our culture. While concealed differences will not, leading to both shame, (Which makes it worse, we do not like to address what we don't see or understand.) and to frequent errors and misunderstandings in what is hidden complex and little addressed by culture, and the proof of that, is that we make large artificial differences, such as dressing differently, to exaggerate what is concealed. Given therefore that our cultures make little attempt to address sex/gender differences realistically, but use a huge smoke and mirrors artificial displays to create false differences, and that we like simple either or results, ( being lazy humans ) it follows that vast numbers of errors will occur in assigning people to sex/gender groupings. My contention is that most ( none religious at least ) people are able to recognize that cultural failing, and that therefore there is tolerance of those which to ask for some readjustments in the labels that society attaches to ...

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Nov 1, 2021:

@JeffMurray I am not really interested in the realities, since in this case they are for the most part plain and banal, Matias asked a question about cultural perceptions, and that is all I am really interested in addressing.

What the fuck is with FB?

Fernapple comments on Oct 31, 2021:

The only reservation I have about this site is, that it runs on FB software, I hate to think that the pathetic little Zuc is making money out of it.

Fernapple replies on Nov 1, 2021:

@Lorajay Yes I agree, and am certainly not mad with anyone, I think that this site is wonderful, and now that you tell me there is no conection to FB my last reservation is gone.

What the fuck is with FB?

Fernapple comments on Oct 31, 2021:

The only reservation I have about this site is, that it runs on FB software, I hate to think that the pathetic little Zuc is making money out of it.

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@Lorajay Oh great well done.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@JeffMurray That is the point, there is none, which is why I made the point about people being accepting of intermediates such as brown. See above. I think you may also have missed another since we posted at more or less exactly the same second.

I have placed this in the Health and Happiness section simply because talk about SCIENCE actually ...

Fernapple comments on Oct 31, 2021:

TEST, DOUBT, WORK.

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@Mcflewster Yes I did not put them in order, sorry. But I would contend that at the most basic level, the big difference between science and other ways of thinking, like religion for example, is that science goes with the idea that the more work you put in, and the more you adjust, then the closer to the truth your results will be. While religion is the idea that truth is a given, an absolute, once and for all, as a gift for believers. The basic motivation being laziness, and fear, two powerful drives, certainty and the indulgence of apathy being great things with many people. I know that other ways of thinking, like history and philosophy also include the idea of working to improve, but I would contend that in so far as they do, they are being scientific.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@JeffMurray The basic point is that race, since it is a human cultural construct is probably, most likely, going to reflect human cultural assumptions. Where sex/gender because it has a much larger biological element in it, as well, is not going to comply, SO OFTEN, ( it is about percentages ) with human cultural assumptions. And therefore there will, probably, be more often mismatches with the human cultural labels, and people being aware of that, are more inclined to be tolerant of attempts to adjust sex/gender labels. I gave however, to make the point with an exception which proves the rule, an example of a case where someone may find that they are assigned the wrong race, and that in fact, that would if genuine, probably be treated with the same tolerance, at least by most reasonable people. The difference being between genuine attempts to correct the mistakes made by human culture and fake attempts to claim mistakes have happened when they have not, and not any real difference in attitudes to race and sex/gender, although those do exist in other spheres.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@JeffMurray Yes you can use skin colour, the advange of which is that it is a biological and exact trait, making it quite different from cultural race. And you have not read the rest of the comments yet, have you. LOL

“Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.

Fernapple comments on Oct 31, 2021:

Works well for me, though there could be other definitions of immaturity given. One that I like is. The inability to distinguish between, I want, and, its true. Sadly though, however you define it, there are a lot of people who will willfully chose it, even though they could do better, and there ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@MsKathleen That's my problem, I never know when to stop, verbal and textual incontinence.

What the fuck is with FB?

Fernapple comments on Oct 31, 2021:

The only reservation I have about this site is, that it runs on FB software, I hate to think that the pathetic little Zuc is making money out of it.

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@Lorajay Yes possibly but do you know that this site is not renting some of FB's space. If not who is the web host.

“Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed immaturity.

Fernapple comments on Oct 31, 2021:

Works well for me, though there could be other definitions of immaturity given. One that I like is. The inability to distinguish between, I want, and, its true. Sadly though, however you define it, there are a lot of people who will willfully chose it, even though they could do better, and there ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@MsKathleen That is my point, yes. The disconnect is favoured by many forces in our society, because it makes people easy to manipulate. For a lot of institutions, political, religious, capitalist, etc. it is very profitable, having people who can not distinguish between, I want, and in truth it is not good for you and wont make you happy. like perminant children in a supermarket grabbing at things because they are provided with colourful wraps designed to make children grab, with no plan beyond the grab. As long as those institutions can pose, and it need only be a pose, as indulgent parents.

What the fuck is with FB?

Fernapple comments on Oct 31, 2021:

The only reservation I have about this site is, that it runs on FB software, I hate to think that the pathetic little Zuc is making money out of it.

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@Lorajay I was told that the web space and software both came from FB, when I first joined. May not be true, but I see no reason to doubt it.

By all means marry - if you get a good wife, you'll become happy: if you get a bad one, you'll ...

zeuser comments on Oct 31, 2021:

I hear that philandering is popular. *helpful*

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

Socrates himself, was I believe quite willing to take lovers, mostly, probably all, male.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@JeffMurray That is a big question, as I said above for the purposes of this debate, you could forget the term race and just go with skin colour. I was actualy just talking about this with someone else above. Biologist do not usually recognize the idea of human races, because, although races exist in some species, the differences between humans are not considered to be great enough, there is not enough significant variation, to constitute races as the term is used in other species. This may be an example of biologists finding an excuse to be PC. But there is some good evidence for it. Especially the fact, that humans passed through a genetic bottle neck approximately some seventy thousand years ago, which means that we all carry a virtually identical X chromosome, having a single female ancestor, and that the human species as a whole, has less genetic variation than that found in the average family of chimpanzee. Genetic variation exists, is real, but is not considered enough for the biological term race. Morphotype or variety perhaps. Another question which can be asked is why does society accept the idea of intermediates in race, i.e. not just black or white, but also brown. Yet we have never accepted intermediates in sex/gender, though there are many forms and they are not uncommon. It may well be that that is why we accept sex/gender changes so readily, not because we are tolerant of changes, but because we are intolerant of intermediates, you have to jump one way or the other. Whereas we are quite happy with a person of mixed race parentage calling themselves brown. I think that you could make a good case for legally defining six or eight sex/genders, at least, and even allowing people to have more than one each.

What the fuck is with FB?

Fernapple comments on Oct 31, 2021:

The only reservation I have about this site is, that it runs on FB software, I hate to think that the pathetic little Zuc is making money out of it.

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@Lorajay I am working on the assumption that Admin, or someone, pays him rent for the space.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@JeffMurray That's my main point, ( please read the one above your first comment.) it is that it is not deserving of hatred to change your race if you are wrongly assigned to a race, I give an example above where I am sure that society would be quite happy for someone to change race. It is just that it is far less likely that you will be wrongly assigned a race, than a sex/gender. People don't have a problem with people changing sex/gender when they are wrongly assigned, though they would if for example if someone were to do it for a phony reason, such as wanting to claim a social security benefit only available to the opposite sex/gender. Though because there are many genuine cases, most who do sex/gender change get the, benefit of the doubt. Likewise, anyone who was really assigned a wrong race label, as in my example above, would probably be treated with sympathy. My point being that society as a whole is not really againtst changing either, only phoney changes where the change is not because they are wrongly labeled in the first place. It is just that wrong sex/gender labeling is commonplace whereas wrong race labeling, even though it is not real, is rare. I am sorry if I was not plain but I muddied the waters a lot by trying to make an unneeded point about labeling as well. Should have given my remarks more thought.

By all means marry - if you get a good wife, you'll become happy: if you get a bad one, you'll ...

Marionville comments on Oct 31, 2021:

…or become a stand-up comedian! 😅

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@Marionville Oh no, I think that those, are WAY older than that.

By all means marry - if you get a good wife, you'll become happy: if you get a bad one, you'll ...

Marionville comments on Oct 31, 2021:

…or become a stand-up comedian! 😅

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

The ancient philosophers and the modern stand up, may well be the same thing, certainly Socrates loved a joke, and told them in public.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

ClassicalRebel comments on Oct 30, 2021:

I was reading one of Darwin's books and became aware that in his time at least race was defined as a significant variation within a species. Look race up in the dictionary. Race not only applied to humans but to all other animals and plants. A poodle or a pit bull for instance would be examples ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

Yes I agree. Though there is the small point, that biologist do not usually recognize the idea of human races, because, although races exist in some species, the differences between humans are not considered to be great enough, or to use term you quote, there is not enough significant variation, to constitute races as the term is used in other species. This may be an example of biologists finding an excuse to be PC. But there is some good evidence for it. Especially the fact, that humans passed through a genetic bottle neck approximately some seventy thousand years ago, which means that we all carry a virtually identical X chromosome, having a single female ancestor, and that the human species as a whole has less genetic variation than that found in the average family of chimpanzee. Genetic variation exists, is real, but is not considered enough for the biological term race. Morphotype or variety perhaps.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

@JeffMurray Yes I was using the terms quite loose because their exact meaning did not really affect the argument. But qualification accepted.

How atheists have become racist.

Heavykevy1985 comments on Oct 31, 2021:

This article is about vaccine mandates and religious exemptions. Where is the racism?

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

Its moved on again, its about education now.

The old pine stump at the bottom of my garden, has made some late season colour, quite a spectacle.

KateOahu comments on Oct 30, 2021:

They actually look like oyster mushrooms to me, but… The sulphur shelf (Laetiporus sulphureus) mushroom is also known as chicken-of-the-woods or chicken mushroom. It’s a bright orange or yellow mushroom with a unique, meaty flavor. Growth Sulphur shelf mushrooms grow on hardwood trees ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

Thank you. I know little of fungi, that is exactly the sort of information that I hoped the post would bring out. Since it is on a conifer stump, Ishall play safe and not taste it.

"Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." Attributed to Socrates

callmedubious comments on Oct 31, 2021:

as an unrepentant cynic i don't believe that the rich's battle is a hard as the poor's battle.

Fernapple replies on Oct 31, 2021:

Very true. Though as Dr Johnson said. Wealth only takes away one of lifes miseries. (Meaning poverty.) And Socrates did live in a culture where there was not the technical power to enable wealth to buy things like health, or faster transport, the rich and poor alike suffered primitive medicine and nobody traveled faster than a man could run.

The old pine stump at the bottom of my garden, has made some late season colour, quite a spectacle.

glennlab comments on Oct 30, 2021:

edible or no?

Fernapple replies on Oct 30, 2021:

I have no idea. Not willing to risk it.

"Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." Attributed to Socrates

Pralina1 comments on Oct 30, 2021:

Yes . I regret the many times 30 and even 15 yrs ago that I was a total asshole to people who I knew nothing important about . Judging and treating them based to my assumptions , my ideas and my opinions about their lives . Ewww🤢🙁

Fernapple replies on Oct 30, 2021:

It is a good job that non of us burn in hell for our sins forever, as the Xians think. Who did not do a whole range of stupid things in youth, life is a learning curve, and no one should be punished for, or regret, the mistakes they make while learning.

"Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." Attributed to Socrates

Pralina1 comments on Oct 30, 2021:

Yes . I regret the many times 30 and even 15 yrs ago that I was a total asshole to people who I knew nothing important about . Judging and treating them based to my assumptions , my ideas and my opinions about their lives . Ewww🤢🙁

Fernapple replies on Oct 30, 2021:

@MsKathleen Just what I was going to say.

"Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." Attributed to Socrates

FrayedBear comments on Oct 30, 2021:

Unfortunately most "hard battles" are due to other's stupidity. Never be kind or underestimate the number of stupids around you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_M._Cipolla

Fernapple replies on Oct 30, 2021:

@FrayedBear Yes, but being unkind only increases the justification they have for their selfishness.

"Be kind for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle." Attributed to Socrates

FrayedBear comments on Oct 30, 2021:

Unfortunately most "hard battles" are due to other's stupidity. Never be kind or underestimate the number of stupids around you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_M._Cipolla

Fernapple replies on Oct 30, 2021:

No. While I think that sometimes you have to be unkind to be kind, as the saying goes, I think that the stupid deserve perhaps even more kindness than most.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 30, 2021:

@Matias But you are missing my point too. The national analogy works well, because it makes the point that there could be times when it is normal to change your race label. (Even if not your race because those do not exist. Which is an issue it was perhaps better not to address since it muddies the water.) So to give an example, which I seem to remember has happened, and is not just hypothetical. Forget about race as such, and think about skin colour for a second, because that is a real world genetic thing. Supposing a child is born to parents with black skin colouration, but is adopted by parents with white skin, and as it happens the child's skin is a very pale form within the normal black range. So that the child, having not been told about its adoption, grows up thinking that it has the same white skin colour genes as its adoptive parents, but later it finds out the truth, in the same sort of way, finds its birth papers. (This really has happened. ) The child then chooses to identify thereafter as having black colouration ancestry, (falsely know as race ). In this case I do not think that it is plausible that anyone, or any human sub-culture, save a few on the lunatic fringe, would have a problem with the child making the change as a correction. Because real world thing, genetics, has been mislabelled with a human cultural label of the wrong sort. That is why using race changing as an analogy of that sort, for gender changing, does not work, because it is the wrong sort of race changing. Most sex changing is to correct a error, and so could race changing be to correct an error as in my example, but you are using an example where an error is being created. Which is a false analogy because, changes made to correct errors are not the same thing, as changes made when no error is present.

Transgender and transrace - what´s the difference?

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

They are quite different. Since as race is a purely cultural idea, there can be no biological reason for wanting to change the race you were said, by culture, to be born into, since biology only exists in the real material world and can never be a part of a purely human cultural construct. (You ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 30, 2021:

@Matias Yes it does solve the riddle. Because cultural constructs are about labels, so that yes you can change your nationality from, say, German to French, if you you born German changing the label of your nationality to French. But that does not change the historical label, if someone asks you your nationality, then you say French. But if someone asks you the nationality you were born into, then you would be telling an untruth if you did not answer German. But if you thought all your life that you were born in Germany, had lived in Germany as a German person, but you then found out later that you were born in France. Say your parents died and going through their papers you found that your birth certificate was actually issued in France, then you would be telling the truth if someone asked you, what is your place of birth, and you said France. Because place of birth may be labeled with the name of a nation state, but it is still a real thing, where a nation state itself is only a cultural construct, and labels can be wrongly asigned.

COVID-19 live updates: Being vaccinated offers better protection than being infected: Study The ...

Druvius comments on Oct 29, 2021:

Duh. Vaccines are easily one of science and medicine's greatest inventions, saving literally countless millions of lives over their centuries of use. Adverse reactions are beyond trivial in comparison. Anti-vaxxers are, well, brain dead fools. No different than people who refuse to wear seat belts.

Fernapple replies on Oct 30, 2021:

I always think that the anti-vax argument is like saying, you would rather be locked in a cage with a live tiger, than be in a room with a tiger skin rug, because you could have a dust mite allergy.

Just read this article on my MSN news feed.

Paul4747 comments on Oct 27, 2021:

I thought it was the Greeks who built the foundations of Western civilization and architecture. And the Founding Fathers certainly thought so.

Fernapple replies on Oct 30, 2021:

@Triphid Of course, being completely contradictory and meaningless it can be interpreted to say anything you want, which is what makes it the number one most popular book, with those who like to tell others what to think.

So, this happened this morning.

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

No idea. Not enough information, you are asking us to assume, based on stereotypes. But like the old joke goes. Assume makes an ass out of you and me. (Spelling joke.)

Fernapple replies on Oct 29, 2021:

@KKGator You see I knew I would be no good at guessing, stick to assumptions.

So, this happened this morning.

Fernapple comments on Oct 29, 2021:

No idea. Not enough information, you are asking us to assume, based on stereotypes. But like the old joke goes. Assume makes an ass out of you and me. (Spelling joke.)

Fernapple replies on Oct 29, 2021:

@KKGator OK. I guess it was you.

"Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

Diogenes comments on Oct 29, 2021:

Well, I don't think 'Soc' got that one right; weak minds discuss nothing.

Fernapple replies on Oct 29, 2021:

@Marionville Though I would perhaps go with Keith, and say that perhaps Socrates was a little off the mark, because he also said, if I remember right, something about, the proper study of man being man. Which seems like he was contradicting himself, unless in this case he did not mean people so much as gossip, or the hollow puppet political images of people which are gossip's subject, rather than the deep meaningful study of human nature. But that is just the sort of nuance which gets lost in translation. ( Perhaps I remember wrong.)

Just read this article on my MSN news feed.

Fernapple comments on Oct 28, 2021:

A heroic act of courage and self sacrifice, going deep into the enemy camp to gather information, you deserve a medal and a pay rise ! And don't ever do anything so stupid again !!!!

Fernapple replies on Oct 29, 2021:

@Triphid I stand corrected. Thank you.

"Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

Diogenes comments on Oct 29, 2021:

Well, I don't think 'Soc' got that one right; weak minds discuss nothing.

Fernapple replies on Oct 29, 2021:

Oh I don't agree with that, in my experience, weak minds chatter away like mad all the time, and the highest level reached is gossip, though that could count as nothing I suppose.

Just read this article on my MSN news feed.

Fernapple comments on Oct 28, 2021:

A heroic act of courage and self sacrifice, going deep into the enemy camp to gather information, you deserve a medal and a pay rise ! And don't ever do anything so stupid again !!!!

Fernapple replies on Oct 29, 2021:

@Triphid As just a mater of fact, some mental illnesses are contagious, like rabies, BSE, Consumption and brain thrush.

Just read this article on my MSN news feed.

Paul4747 comments on Oct 27, 2021:

I thought it was the Greeks who built the foundations of Western civilization and architecture. And the Founding Fathers certainly thought so.

Fernapple replies on Oct 29, 2021:

@Paul4747 The Bible is the one book someone will still read to you when you are grown up, like a bedtime story every Sunday. Saves you having to do any reading for yourself. And it is so mixed up and contradictory, it is virtually meaningless. Saves you having to think for yourself.

Which mask would you choose?

Lauren comments on Oct 28, 2021:

I like them all but, living in Texas, I don't need the stress of wondering whether I'll be attacked (or my tires slashed) for wearing most of them, so I choose "Vaxed and masked for your protection." It's less confrontational and less likely to incite the crazies. Although I look better in black ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 29, 2021:

It is also quite intelligent. Maybe too much for some, could cause unfamiliar thinking.

Just read this article on my MSN news feed.

Fernapple comments on Oct 28, 2021:

A heroic act of courage and self sacrifice, going deep into the enemy camp to gather information, you deserve a medal and a pay rise ! And don't ever do anything so stupid again !!!!

Fernapple replies on Oct 29, 2021:

@Triphid Careful. The threat to mental health is serious, you would not want to catch whatever it is that Evangelloon caught would you ?

I am not short... I'm just more down to earth than other people.

barjoe comments on Oct 27, 2021:

It's better to have loved and lost a short girl than to have never loved a tall.

Fernapple replies on Oct 28, 2021:

Groan.

Just read this article on my MSN news feed.

Paul4747 comments on Oct 27, 2021:

I thought it was the Greeks who built the foundations of Western civilization and architecture. And the Founding Fathers certainly thought so.

Fernapple replies on Oct 28, 2021:

They are not required to have a knowledge of history, in fact it is better if they don't. Along with theology, science, philosophy, law, political thought, geography and........ Well its just best not to do the knowledge thing at all. LOL ( This is no joke, I really have heard believers make that argument.)

Help is on its way.

Cyklone comments on Oct 28, 2021:

Dammit, I have a right to not poke things up my nose. I've done my research and doing this will rot your nose and eat away your brain. There hasn't yet been enough research into this and it sounds as if they've just rushed it out, so I'll wait until there's better research. I'd rather let my ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 28, 2021:

Plus you may be spraying government microchips up your nose, so that the CIA can tell what you eat.

“Violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism and tribalism and bigotry, invested in ...

mcgeo52 comments on Oct 28, 2021:

This assumes organized religion has a conscience.

Fernapple replies on Oct 28, 2021:

People may indeed join religions for social support against any growing of a conscience.

Nothing can stand forever before the greatest force in human life, the one power which destroys ...

Matias comments on Oct 27, 2021:

I am not so optimistic. The interest of the public shifts quickly, it can fall and rise within weeks or months. I guess that this man will stage a comeback. Question : Is there one guy in the ´´Conservative´´ camp that could push Trump permanently into oblivion and replace him as leader of ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 27, 2021:

That could be very true, sadly yes.

"It is no longer who reaches the highest, but the one who, influenced by the beauty that surrounds ...

Fernapple comments on Oct 26, 2021:

Appreciation is the secret of life and happiness.

Fernapple replies on Oct 27, 2021:

@MsKathleen Very true.

Nothing can stand forever before the greatest force in human life, the one power which destroys ...

Organist1 comments on Oct 26, 2021:

Yes, but polls still have him tied with Biden in 2024. SMH...

Fernapple replies on Oct 26, 2021:

Is that him or is it just the Republicans, you get stats like that, and I will bet a few repubs are thinking. " Maybe we could do better with someone else. "

As the the darkness festival of the Autumn draws near.

Charlene comments on Oct 26, 2021:

What happened good ol' Vlad, and his sister?

Fernapple replies on Oct 26, 2021:

Knew he had a brother, and a wife, but never heard of a sister.

"It is no longer who reaches the highest, but the one who, influenced by the beauty that surrounds ...

Fernapple comments on Oct 26, 2021:

Appreciation is the secret of life and happiness.

Fernapple replies on Oct 26, 2021:

@MsKathleen Yes. Though I was thinking of the other way round. If you love a blue sky and sunshine you will be happy, but if you think that clowds are beautiful too, you will be even happier.

Seems to be a spirit world theme

creative51 comments on Oct 26, 2021:

Where do you find all this wisdom anyway?

Fernapple replies on Oct 26, 2021:

Me thinking the same thing.

Roll up, roll up! Going cheap. Starving Afghanistan girl babies..

Fernapple comments on Oct 26, 2021:

Yes it was on the BBC news last night too, made my friend cry.

Fernapple replies on Oct 26, 2021:

@Lorajay Afghanistan has been sytematically f####d up by the Saudies, the west and the old Soviet Union, with a little help from China and the UN in general, and a lot of help from the Prophet of Mecca for the last century. It is a first class example of what the international community and religion can acheive when they really fail together. Sadly the little girls who are sold to old men, for forced marriage to their grandsons when they are twelve, are perhaps the lucky ones, not all of the buyers will honour even that much of the bargin.

Richard Dawkins - Science is the poetry of reality [youtube.com]

whiskywoman comments on Oct 26, 2021:

that was it ???

Fernapple replies on Oct 26, 2021:

@phxbillcee LInk ?

Makes sense to me!

Fernapple comments on Oct 25, 2021:

To prove that your father is a dog. Imagine that you have bought a dog, therefore it is your dog. Your dog has mated with a bitch and made puppies, therefore it is a father. Therefore your father is a dog.

Fernapple replies on Oct 25, 2021:

@TheoryNumber3 It is intended to make the point that, the shambolic series of historical accidents which we call language , is no guide to truth, though many people make that error, because language, like religion, is so deeply tangled at the root of our cultures.

When I die, I want to be composted. [youtube.com]

Fernapple comments on Oct 24, 2021:

Die in the forest, where the wildlife can eat me.

Fernapple replies on Oct 24, 2021:

@Barnie2years Seriously hypothermia is probably one of the best ways to go, certainly a lot better than the so called high quality deaths offered by the medical services, which having sat in several death rooms, I know to be a joke.

When I die, I want to be composted. [youtube.com]

Fernapple comments on Oct 24, 2021:

Die in the forest, where the wildlife can eat me.

Fernapple replies on Oct 24, 2021:

@Gwendolyn2018 Tell him, no more cookies, then. lol

There was a time when "free-thinker" was a common synonym for "atheist".

Fernapple comments on Oct 24, 2021:

I think you have a good point. But there is a small qualification which needs to be made, which is that you are making an assumption that modern atheists and free thinkers are the "same people" as you phrase it, as the atheists and free thinkers of the past. But that of course is probably not the ...

Fernapple replies on Oct 24, 2021:

@waitingforgodo Of course, but each post is a new game.

It needs more love.....

racocn8 comments on Oct 23, 2021:

Worship??? And you can't prove it exists to those who won't listen.

Fernapple replies on Oct 24, 2021:

@Dhiltong So does the word 'prove'. And you never said "prove" to everyone.

When I die, I want to be composted. [youtube.com]

dalefvictor comments on Oct 24, 2021:

I want cheap and green. Take my dead corpse and put it in Young's Bay out far from the road and let the fish, birds, and other creatures eat me. Then perhaps a bird will eat me and fly to Washington DC and shit on a politician.

Fernapple replies on Oct 24, 2021:

I thought. That's very like mine, then I read your last line, and I thought. No that's even better than mine, by a long way. Lol

1. There is something alive, down on the ground in my garden. 2. Problem solved, terminated.

Robecology comments on Oct 23, 2021:

Cats are great predators for voles, mice and other small rodents. Unfortunately...they're very good at killing many bird species as well.

Fernapple replies on Oct 23, 2021:

The main victims with me tend to be the harmless shrews, which I find left for dead all over the garden.

What a tragedy.

Matias comments on Oct 22, 2021:

That was the time when almost all scientists subscribed to the "blank slate" theory, that there is no such thing as "human nature", that humans are the only animal with total malleability, not only concerning sex.

Fernapple replies on Oct 23, 2021:

Yep. Though it was never all of science, some, brave few, like some of the behaviorists, stuck it out. It was mostly a politically motivated influence over science, by the Stalinist left and the religious right, working in an unnatural pact. It caused some horrible crimes. Being, for example, at the bottom of the politically motivated mental health dogmas in the Soviet Union, which resulted in the deaths of millions who proved resistant to "education". I remember it being pedalled at me in college, by an extreme left religious apologist. A man so evil and twisted, ( He had to be to combine those two. ) that my memories of his dogma and smugness still fuel my disgust with religion to this day.

Jesus shaves?

Redheadedgammy comments on Oct 22, 2021:

Wait a minute, I thought Jewish men weren’t allowed to shave? Lol

Fernapple replies on Oct 23, 2021:

In those days most people did not shave, though it was a fashion with the Greeks, and it probably if you did do it then it signaled that you were open to and embracing Greek culture. Which included, most obviously, the celebration of homosexual love, but you would not think that thirteeen blokes who left home and mariage to form a social club and follow a charismatic leader would be open to that, would you ?