Real Proof that Jesus was NOT real - YouTube

Fernapple comments on Sep 29, 2020:

Jesus as found in the traditional stories, may have been a fictional creation intended either as a deception as a metaphor or both, a muddled piece of reportage based on one individual, or ditto based on several compounded individuals, or a myth based on old traditional stories lazily linked to a single name, but not perhaps from a single source. It could, most likely, be a combination of all of those things. What is certain however is that after all this time and given the muddled nature of the very doubtful evidence, is that, anyone who thinks that they can untangle the truth about what happened, briefly, in a minor country, on the edge of civilization, and at the beginning of history, is deluding themselves. This quite old idea, therefore can not be said to be either true or false, though it does throw yet another, quite plausible stick on to the pile. Though it has also to be said, that a lot of the issues of the nativity etc. only appear in Matthew and Luke, and are almost certainly late additions.

I love these darned things

Fernapple comments on Sep 29, 2020:

Number three. These are even better than the last bunch.

Something a little philosophical?

Fernapple comments on Sep 29, 2020:

You can choose between the meaning you create yourself, just as you paint. Or you can take the off the shelf meaning created by fake authority, and sold by dealers in church.

A reminder for the religious...

Fernapple comments on Sep 29, 2020:

Good one. Would be even better though if the first line came last, perhaps.

So where do you get your morality from if you’re an atheist?

Fernapple comments on Sep 29, 2020:

The long answer, involves hard wired empathy, reason, cultural experience, etc. The short answer. "From the same sources you do, except I don't try to give mine extra authority or claim they are free from being questioned, because I cherry picked them from a supernatural book. Mine are open to questions."

The circle of life.

Fernapple comments on Sep 28, 2020:

Nappies.

Cute Monday afternoon 🔅 all 🙈☺

Fernapple comments on Sep 28, 2020:

Very well groomed.

"The only antidote to mental suffering is physical pain." - Karl Marx

Fernapple comments on Sep 28, 2020:

Philosophy, reason , human kindness, learning, understanding, conversation, adventure, work.

NG TUNG CHAI WATER FALLS: HONG KONG 🌱🌿🍃🍀💚 Is One of the most unique and rewarding...

Fernapple comments on Sep 27, 2020:

Lovely photos, glad you can still get a good day out in these difficult times.

The Lack of Opposite-Gender Friendships Among Evangelicals is Itself a Problem | Beth Stoneburner | ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 27, 2020:

You could not invent it.

I have also posted this in my group.

Fernapple comments on Sep 27, 2020:

That is a very human exceptionalistic view. But try this. https://agnostic.com/group/ReligiousNaturalism/discussion/537356/michael-dowd-on-post-doom-thinking-and-living-sans-supernatural-ideation-https-youtu-b

11 th commandment .

Fernapple comments on Sep 27, 2020:

Don't think that will either.

Tues. November third, the day I will decide whether I sell my house and move or stay in the USA.

Fernapple comments on Sep 27, 2020:

Just posted this, may be of interest. https://agnostic.com/discussion/538098/some-of-the-less-well-known-but-still-serious-fallout-from-the-pandemic-you-have-to-wonder-if-there

Europe sees new coronavirus peaks, countries set all-time case records - Business Insider

Fernapple comments on Sep 26, 2020:

Yep its coming back.

Well I'll darned, just got a a very earnest and most unexpected APOLOGY of all things from ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 26, 2020:

There hope for everybody. Just be wary of backsliding.

There does seem to be a lot of turkey vultures around lately.

Fernapple comments on Sep 26, 2020:

Great photos. Not a bird we get over here, they certainly are spectacular.

Michael Dowd on post-doom thinking and living (sans supernatural ideation).

Fernapple comments on Sep 25, 2020:

Very good. I was not sure at first, it seemed too woo, and I think that may be an American/ European difference. Attempting to attach the word religion to anything, however good, may be a good idea in the US where it still has a lot of respect, but in Europe where the word is so badly tainted, in the minds of caring people at least, it could do a lot of harm. The sales pitch at the end was also a little much for European taste, across this side of the Atlantic , it is hard to get yourself and your views taken seriously, if you a selling something at the same time. And while I agree with him on civilization, I think that the view that all pre-civilized cultures were sustainable, is very off the mark. We know that many hunter gatherer communities caused a lot of ecological havoc and may often have brought about their own down fall. But those are minor points, on the whole extremely good.

Osprey lunging for its catch ☺

Fernapple comments on Sep 25, 2020:

Superb photos.

Wish I could have gotten the toss a little more centered or more to the right....

Fernapple comments on Sep 25, 2020:

No just off centre is perfect. Centred is too balanced.

9/24/2020 Condom contraband, Night Witches, Shield Maidens, Covid-19, Trump, etc.

Fernapple comments on Sep 25, 2020:

In answer to your question, just a thought. In Vietnam and South East Asia generally there are people, often children, who sift through the waste in public dumps for anything of value. It would be easy to pay them to collect condoms among other things.

I Googled "memes Trump fool" My phone exploded...

Fernapple comments on Sep 24, 2020:

Putin.

Stereotypes die hard! [bbc.

Fernapple comments on Sep 24, 2020:

You know what they say. Assume, makes an ass of you and me. Spelling joke think about the letters.

Stereotypes die hard! [bbc.

Fernapple comments on Sep 24, 2020:

I once remember, driving out on a very dark and stormy night, high in the mountains of Madeira. A police car came up fast behind, flashed his lights and pulled me over. He got out and came to the window, so since it was lashing with rain, I just wound the window down not attempting to get out. It was very dark and there was no light in the car. But he said. " Drive on the wrong side of the road, there may be branches and rocks falling of the cliff this side. Just toot your horn loudly on the bends." "Thank you officer. Will do." It was only after he had driven off that I suddenly thought. He spoke to me in English, how did he know I was not German, French or Spanish ?

Pulled out my bedraggled petunias and planted some pansies last night.

Fernapple comments on Sep 24, 2020:

Lovely arrangement, what a good eye. What is the water behind the deck ?

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Fernapple comments on Sep 24, 2020:

If I post on this website, and no Christian reads it, am I still going to hell ?

Not sure if i should even post this but here goes.

Fernapple comments on Sep 24, 2020:

You may like this post and my comments on it. https://agnostic.com/post/536580/what-did-voltaire-mean-with-his-gardening-advice-that-we-must-keep-a-good-distance-between-ourselv?aid=2471222

Hello everyone!

Fernapple comments on Sep 23, 2020:

Hello, I hope you are well and enjoying your day and the site.

The colours on Roseate spoonbills are almost unbelievable.

Fernapple comments on Sep 23, 2020:

Wow great photo.

9/22/2020 A wargame designer's analysis as we roll towards the election from hell: [united-cats.com]

Fernapple comments on Sep 23, 2020:

Saw the news this morning, and Trump was saying that 200 thousand is a success, since that was a low figure, and then he shifted the blame to China again.

Darwin, we have a winner... [alternet.org] .

Fernapple comments on Sep 23, 2020:

Life is the ultimate teacher, but sadly a cruel one,who never give the slow a chance to catch up. Sad to be booted out of class before the most important lesson, (The universe was not made for me. ) is complete.

You'd think this was a religious website.

Fernapple comments on Sep 23, 2020:

No I think that you do a very good job, and that most of the members find everything you share very interesting. I certainly enjoy your cooking, crafts and hiking posts, dating, well maybe not so much, but the site would be far less without you. You have to remember however that the site has a turn over in its membership, and that therefore there are always lots of new members, most of whom have issues that they need to address, often painful ones, so there are bound to be some repeating posts. And it is only fair that the long stay members should tolerate and even help with that if they can, and are willing. Personally I am only too pleased to offer a helping hand when I can, but there are plenty of us to do that, so there is no heavy moral obligation on anyone to to join in if they find it boring.

What did Voltaire mean with his gardening advice?

Fernapple comments on Sep 22, 2020:

No I do not agree. Voltaire's garden was not about a self absorbed, turn your back on the world, egocentric search for personal happiness at all. As the narrator implies. You have to remember that the main acts of the Turk and his family in the book, were those of hospitality, and improving with kindness the lives of three strangers. What Voltaire is really saying, is that the world would be a far better place, if everyone tried, even just a little, to make a positive contribution, that is our humane duty. Which contribution they could be sure was positive, however small, and that they could do well, rather than grand schemes which they could never truly control, and which are bound to fall at the the hurdle of unforeseen consequences. Nor is it an anti optimistic statement, quite the contrary it is a respectful and admiring statement about the value of many small contributions. ( It was also specifically addressing a then fashionable philosophy, that this world though sometimes horrible was the best that could be made, especially as a testing place for sinful souls of course. But that is historical and by the by.)

If you think wearing a mask doesn’t help, still wear it as you’re told & shut up about it.

Fernapple comments on Sep 22, 2020:

Looking across the ocean from Europe, people here are jaw dropping amazed, that masks could even be an issue. Yes there are a few lazy selfish a######s here who can't be bothered, but they are seen as just the cheap stupid freaks they are. It is not a political issue, it is just a couple of pieces of paper and some elastic, it is not the government wanting to abolish the freedom of the press, introduce forced national service or take away peoples voting rights. Does anybody think that those same people who protest masks, would be bothered to rouse themselves and go out on the streets about those issues.

Meet the SHIFF ARMS JELLYFISH (Barrel Jellyfish) otherwise known by its scientific name " Rhizostoma...

Fernapple comments on Sep 22, 2020:

A type of animal life perhaps more ancient than any, and fast become the dominant form in the ocean again, as humans kill everything else.

Unfit...a great video; [youtube.com]

Fernapple comments on Sep 22, 2020:

Sad.

A perfect example of how old technology can defeat new technology. [bbc.com]

Fernapple comments on Sep 22, 2020:

Love the photo article about the Fens that is on the same page as well. My homeland.

Was Jesus a Socialist? [youtube.com]

Fernapple comments on Sep 22, 2020:

The fact that according to the bible Jesus made several dozen ethical statements, some of which are self contradictions, and many of which come from different political/social viewpoints. Is one of the best reasons for thinking, that he was probably a composite figure, assembled from several historical and fictional parts. Certainly though, if the bible is to be taken literally, ( big if, ) his main political stance, was to challenge the idea of established religious authority. ( Except perhaps his own. ) For which the established religious authorities killed him. Therefore logically you can't be a Christian and belong to a church.

Evidence-Based Religion Me: What is God, Dictionary?

Fernapple comments on Sep 22, 2020:

The meaning of 'religious naturalism' is of course simply that, nature is the equivalent of a god, if there is no personal god.

The Self-Attribution Fallacy [monbiot.com]

Fernapple comments on Sep 22, 2020:

Good article, he is not the first person to say that, nor is it the first study to prove it, but I do not think anybody is bothered about listening.

New job.

Fernapple comments on Sep 21, 2020:

Take care all the same.

Why do people believe in the devil when it’s obviously a myth?

Fernapple comments on Sep 21, 2020:

Most countries in the world, including the US have failed education systems. Most schooling is state controlled, and teaching people to be critical, to think clearly, to be sceptical, to evaluate evidence, and to be morally strong, would not leave them vulnerable and undefended against political and commercial exploitation, so there is no incentive to improve education for those who control and fund it. Religion then just jumps on the band-wagon.

Scleropages sanshuiensis: A new species of Asian Arowana from the the Eocene of Guangdong, China.

Fernapple comments on Sep 21, 2020:

Oh Loaches ! LOL

“Money is the estranged essence of man’s work and man’s existence, and this alien essence ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 21, 2020:

Money is how we measure life. Length in feet and inches, volume in pints, power in watts, life in money. We give up so much of our life to earn it, in the hopes that it will improve or extend the remainder to a greater extent. That is why it is so important, and why people get so excited when it is not fairly distributed.

Do you think people who see ghosts are schizophrenic, liars, or truly seeing something, like someone...

Fernapple comments on Sep 21, 2020:

I think most of the time they are just mistaken. Not a ghost, but when I was a young man out driving in my first car, I thought I saw a UFO. It was a slightly misty night, and down in the valley below the road I was driving on, I saw a round glowing ball of light traveling at speed and jumping over the field boundaries. The effect was totally convincing. The following night I saw it again, but that time I stopped and got out of the car. Then I heard another cars engine, and then I realized that there was another road parallel to mine down in the bottom of the valley, which I had not even been aware of, and all I was seeing was a strange effect that car lights were making on the mist. Had I not bothered to stop, I would probably still to this day be convinced .

What would you never forgive?

Fernapple comments on Sep 21, 2020:

You can forgive almost any crime, such as rude behavior, greed etc. even if they are ongoing. But dishonesty can only be forgiven when the dishonest reform, because not expecting reform from the dishonest is doing them a disservice. By not asking them to start self improvement. While the other crimes you can forgive failing to improve, because with them failing can be weakness, continued dishonesty is not trying.

Seek daily to fulfill thine - highest - aspirations & dreams - desire & aspire to fully express & ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 21, 2020:

Love on brother and - plaster the world - with little lines - little lines - rule, - and you can never - have too many - little lines - . Humans will only - ever achieve their full - potential - through accepting the lines --. And the lines - are all love - and the lines - are all life - and the lines - are forever.

WHO KNEW: TRUMP TYPES WERE LIVING IN LONDON IN 1603.

Fernapple comments on Sep 21, 2020:

James is not generally seen as smart. His personal habits were so poor, it was said that, you could tell what meals had been served in the palace for the last week, by looking at his shirt front. And that when some native Americans were brought to England and introduced to the King, they were said to have thought a joke was being played on them, and that they had been introduced to a filthy tramp. He never took a bath and developed a red skin rash which extended to his face, while he is said to have made the codpiece go out of fashion, because he had a alarming habit of fiddling with his when agitated, and would also threaten to drop his trousers and show people his back side when angry. He may have been smarter than Trump, but that is setting a very low bar. LOL PS. He was also considered very racist even by the standards of the day, and at first refused to meet the native Americans for that reason. Actually I think he and Trump would have got on well !

Have words and numbers vanished from your posts?

Fernapple comments on Sep 21, 2020:

No, a lot could be to do with the device you are using, to both post and view, the site always seems to work better on some devices especially desk tops than mobile devices. Why not, next time something disappears, message me, and I will look to see if I can see it on my device for you ?

LOL Even He understands.

Fernapple comments on Sep 20, 2020:

Maybe he would like us best. After all, we don't, tell him what to do, complain when he does not do it, claim to speak in his name, or set up a lot of phony characters in his place to fool others, but we do, show proper respect for his natural laws and take the trouble to discover them.

Dear Red States. We decided we're leaving.

Fernapple comments on Sep 20, 2020:

That's cruel. At least give them Hollywood, then with the preachers and evangelists, they get full control over the twaddle supply, and don't have to depend on imports for their main consumable.

Please raise your hand if you're an atheist AND antitheist.

Fernapple comments on Sep 20, 2020:

Yes will go with that, with just the two small concessions: that I do not believe in absolutes, and do believe in, hate the idea not its victims.

Any time one allows absolutes to exist in the mind, that person has joined the ranks of the ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 20, 2020:

A lot of people give all sorts of complex answers to the question. What is the difference between scientific truth and philosophy, and religious ? Including all sorts of things like falsifiable hypotheses, and the experimental method etc. But I think the real bottom line difference, is very simply. That one believes that truth is a given, an absolute and a granted privilege. (For the chosen few.) And the other believes that you only get closer to it, by work care and effort.

Any time one allows absolutes to exist in the mind, that person has joined the ranks of the ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 20, 2020:

There are absolutely no absolutes.

The GOP sold their souls.

Fernapple comments on Sep 20, 2020:

Small factual error, he never, "made his fortune" Trump has been bleeding away his inheritance all his life.

Why worry?

Fernapple comments on Sep 20, 2020:

Best not to confuse the amusing and sometimes profitable game of. 'What if.' With worry.

Survival of the Fittest vs. Natural Selection

Fernapple comments on Sep 20, 2020:

Its a common misunderstanding which can not be highlighted enough. It is very important to be accurate, otherwise you make gifts to creationists and the like.

some of natures beauty I needed to share

Fernapple comments on Sep 20, 2020:

Beautiful. I love the lonely bear.

Saturday afternoon walkabout in the rain. LGD, NOLA

Fernapple comments on Sep 20, 2020:

Love the last one, number ten, that says travel and new streets never seen before.

Consider these facts: wildfires, coronavirus, hurricanes, Trump's potential re-election -- is God ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 19, 2020:

Just be patient, earthquakes, tsunamis, and volcanic eruptions, will be along soon enough, along with locusts, and crop disease. Nature is in no hurry but will get there soon enough.

Hello all! Thought I'd share this video with you.

Fernapple comments on Sep 19, 2020:

Good post. But I think that you are completely wrong about nobody in the west being interested in Indian food. Bring it on.

I'm a pompous self-involved jackass...

Fernapple comments on Sep 19, 2020:

Then why are you not in church ?

Human foot prints in Saudi Arabia from 120,000 years ago: [arstechnica.com]

Fernapple comments on Sep 19, 2020:

Hard to imagine Arabia as lush and green, or what it would be like to have the freedom of walking with restriction into new lands.

“In truth, there was only one christian and he died on the cross.” - Friedrich Nietzsche

Fernapple comments on Sep 18, 2020:

If the story is half true, ( big if ) killed by the religious establishment, for pedaling a liberal message.

"The world of reality has its limits; the world of imagination is boundless.

Fernapple comments on Sep 18, 2020:

Since you can travel your whole life thought the world of reality, and never even come within sight of the limits, then the difference is academic.

Here is a list of who you can kill according to the Bible [reddit.com]

Fernapple comments on Sep 18, 2020:

Misses wearing mixed fabrics.

My son posted this makes me proud

Fernapple comments on Sep 18, 2020:

Well done both.

The insanity of today

Fernapple comments on Sep 18, 2020:

Only if you have no idea what slavery is like, and not enough imagination to get even close to it.

cooler this morning.

Fernapple comments on Sep 18, 2020:

Groan.

4:30 a.m. LGD, NOLA Window shopping after hours

Fernapple comments on Sep 18, 2020:

Yes I love those. Sad now, when we can't get out on the streets any longer, especially socially. But times will change hopefully.

Have you rejected a photo and realized it's good years later?

Fernapple comments on Sep 18, 2020:

Not a problem I really have, people generally only take photos of cute people. I did however manage to find a couple. A few tears ago when having life problems, I put on some weight, thankfully I made and effort and lost it. At least the earlier photo reminds me of how much I lost.

“Appreciation is a wonderful thing.

Fernapple comments on Sep 18, 2020:

I think that maybe translated from French, and may have been originally intended to mean only the giving of social appreciation. Surely, in the bigger English language sense, appreciation is what brings us all that is good in life, and our ability to do it, the true measure of our capacity for happiness.

Just joined up! Really trying to find the right one for me.

Fernapple comments on Sep 18, 2020:

Hello welcome and enjoy the site. Thought it has to be said that it is mainly a social media site, the dating part is not its strong point.

If Christianity can be considered a form of slave morality according to Nietzsche, then is atheism ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 18, 2020:

To use the old cliche. Only if not collecting stamps is a hobby.

"You don't even know me..." &Positivevibes

Fernapple comments on Sep 17, 2020:

Oh I know you, well enough.

"You don't even know me..." &Positivevibes

Fernapple comments on Sep 17, 2020:

I love you too.

"You don't even know me..." &Positivevibes

Fernapple comments on Sep 17, 2020:

Someone once said. Start out by loving everyone, you can always learn to hate someone you once loved, but it is awful hard to love someone you once hated.

First time in 175 years this respected source makes a presidential endoresement.

Fernapple comments on Sep 17, 2020:

Hard to see what else they could do.

"The great merit of the capitalist system, it has been said, is that it succeeds in using the ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 17, 2020:

No that is private enterprise, not to be confused with capitalism. Private enterprise means that a stage of civilization was reached, where our natural tendency to compete for resources was best served by trading with others. Therefore our natural tendency to compete was subverted, into competing to provide others with what they most wanted. Capitalism means using money to grow money, and thereby escape the need to trade or do anything useful at all, and/or to achieve a monopoly, both of which in fact suppress private enterprise.

Atheist read the Bible, Christians go to church to have the Bible read to them...

Fernapple comments on Sep 17, 2020:

Some one has to do the cherry picking.

Beautiful landscape

Fernapple comments on Sep 17, 2020:

Looks a bit cold.

[theguardian.com] Doesn't surprise me but FFS, come on!

Fernapple comments on Sep 17, 2020:

Plus at least one quarter million Romani, possibly many more, and at least half million people with disability, a large number of prostitutes, and many others. There is a lot to learn about.

Fear not what is before you, for those that care are behind you.

Fernapple comments on Sep 17, 2020:

Great photo. I love the contrast between the mothers size and powerful shoulders and the tiny cub.

“One glance at a book and you hear the voice of another person, perhaps someone dead for 1,000 ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 17, 2020:

Not only do you get to hear the thoughts of people from the far past, with whom you could never normally speak, but you usually get to hear some of the best minds of their age, sharing their best and most valued thoughts.

I don't know if this counts as art but i overlay different images together and thought they looked ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 16, 2020:

Perfectly good and respectable way to make images. I especially like the second one.

Why are hurricanes named after females?

Fernapple comments on Sep 16, 2020:

No its what you get if you don't take the danger seriously. Well bye-bye Pondartincbendog just in case I don't hear from you again, its been nice a-know-in you.

Playing with my reflection is so fun 😅😅😅😁

Fernapple comments on Sep 16, 2020:

Super photos, I suspects staged, but brilliantly so.

Question

Fernapple comments on Sep 16, 2020:

Free hotel rooms. So that I could just step out of my door, and keep on walking and roaming anywhere I wanted without limit.

All I would have to post is I need an Inhofe and a Trump sign for my yard. Can anyone help?

Fernapple comments on Sep 16, 2020:

In your case. "I love Trump."

Colloquial

Fernapple comments on Sep 16, 2020:

Same reason humans don't call themselves 'earthlings', if you are in it you can't see it.

I got banned from FB for three days because I said, "Americans are gullible and stupid", referring ...

Fernapple comments on Sep 16, 2020:

Ugly, difficult to use, shallow and pretending to be a substitute for the web in order to fill the Zuks imperial dreams, why go there at all.

Keel-billed Toucan is chilling while waiting and find something to eat 😁

Fernapple comments on Sep 16, 2020:

Wonderful photo, and such rich colours.

Anyone getting this: Notifications don't load.

Fernapple comments on Sep 15, 2020:

Yep happening to me too.

Okay, we have religious nutters predicting all the time.

Fernapple comments on Sep 15, 2020:

You certainly ask questions, which is the best gift anyone can give.

“The sweetest and most inoffensive path of life leads through the avenues of science and learning;...

Fernapple comments on Sep 15, 2020:

Everybody in the world had a slave as and ancestor. Everybody in the world also had a slave owner as an ancestor. And nearly everybody in the world comes from a slave owning culture, there being very few hunter gatherer cultures left.

Isn't this Giraffe is so lucky to have a kiss from the gorgeous Lady ☺🧡

Fernapple comments on Sep 15, 2020:

I think the lady is lucky too. I have a bucket list idea, to kiss the noses of as many different animals as I can.

Quakka is always happy ☺

Fernapple comments on Sep 15, 2020:

Sadly endangered, but not critical.

Is anyone here who identifies as an atheist, secular and Buddhist?

Fernapple comments on Sep 14, 2020:

No for myself, but I think that you will find that there is a secular Buddhist group on here. Buddhism can be regarded by some as a secular philosophy, so it is quite possible.

“The root of all superstition is that men observe when a thing hits, but not when it misses.

Fernapple comments on Sep 14, 2020:

How very modern for the time.

Notifications busted?

Fernapple comments on Sep 14, 2020:

Working well now.

“Conrad Heyers, professor of comparative religion at Gustavus Adolphus College in St.

Fernapple comments on Sep 14, 2020:

That is a straw man argument, of course the anitreligious spend more energy on literalism than "sophisticated theologies", because there is a lot more of that out there, and where it exists it has a more dangerous and dramatic effect. Besides which, there is no difference between literalism and "more sophisticated theologies of creation ". The one is just keeping the sky fairy in its traditional role, as the dispenser of fake authority, and the second is setting tradition and mythology as gods themselves and the dispensers of fake authority. And fake authority is just as attractive to the criminal elements in the world, for misuse, wherever it comes from.