“I’ll have some of that Moderate Protection please. Nothing too spicy for me.”

silverotter11 comments on Mar 20, 2020:

Unless big money is removed from government either of these options will move forward. The consolidation of power by big corporate has been grinding on for 40 + years reaching full bloom with trump in the WH. American forgot the lessons from 1929.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 21, 2020:

@skado Which policies of Sanders are preferred by the American people? Please list them and show where you are getting info.

"The governor said that because of shortages of coronavirus tests, they are being reserved for those...

Surfpirate comments on Mar 20, 2020:

When you live in an Oligarchy masquerading as a Free Capitalist System then you have to realize that there is only so much the market will bear, finances before people. It's sad but it's true.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 21, 2020:

Can you help to define oligarchy as it relates to the US? Who compromises this group? How is it defined ? I mean defined in the sense of just being wealthy versus now having this characteristic.

"The governor said that because of shortages of coronavirus tests, they are being reserved for those...

AnneWimsey comments on Mar 20, 2020:

Pretty much Never unless yo u know somebody. It's first testing center at the eastern end of the state (where the non-wealthy live) just opened yesterday and only if you have symptoms And a doctor RX.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

@silverotter11 It will not happen. Everyday now we have deaths in our state. We are up to 3 deaths. But cases are all over the state, especially clustered in one area. All you need is one of those people who are currently infected to have coughed or sneezed one time somewhere public and now 10s more who infect 10 more and none will be tested if the person present with symptoms and haven't traveled. Maybe by some luck it hasn't happened. But now they are not even telling where community spread is occurring because they don't know because they are not testing. Just like you said it is not getting through ppls head.

"The governor said that because of shortages of coronavirus tests, they are being reserved for those...

itsmedammit comments on Mar 20, 2020:

News as of yesterday is that Abbott Labs has ramped up manufacture of its covid-19 test and will be distributing 1 million tests per week. It has already sent out 150,000. One positive step to figure out where we are at. ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

@itsmedammit Thank you so much for taking the time to explain that. It does sound like a pretty involved process and maybe a little bit more understandable why there is this need to get very specific testing materials. Previous to this you are wondering why it is so difficult to get testing done. I know some people are close to having this testing more simplified, at home versions.

"The governor said that because of shortages of coronavirus tests, they are being reserved for those...

itsmedammit comments on Mar 20, 2020:

News as of yesterday is that Abbott Labs has ramped up manufacture of its covid-19 test and will be distributing 1 million tests per week. It has already sent out 150,000. One positive step to figure out where we are at. ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

@itsmedammit I am very curious about the actual diagnostic process. What is it that is needed in order to run these tests aside from swabs. A reagent? Then what does it give you you to read? So we have the machines and swabs but are missing reagent? Why couldn't we buy from other countries then run tests that would determine accuracy? Why the rejection of supplies from others? I do not understand what the grand delay has been.

"The governor said that because of shortages of coronavirus tests, they are being reserved for those...

Lorajay comments on Mar 20, 2020:

The trump administration says they didn't buy test kits because they wanted test kits that were validated by the United States. South Korea identified their 1st case the same day we did and they have literally lowered the number of new cases every ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

@Varn NOW? We are worried about that NOW? So all the companies have run away and ruined the opportunities for working class Americans and now when we are faced with a health crisis that demands very quick response NOW we are going to worrying about where we are sourcing from? Talk about BAD TIMING. How much worse could timing EVER be? It's like standing in the middle of a burning building and asking where the firehose was sourced from!! When EVERY OTHER piece of equipment came from foreign countries. Do you SEE the problem with THAT response? (Please it is rhetorical, I am sorry)

"The governor said that because of shortages of coronavirus tests, they are being reserved for those...

Varn comments on Mar 20, 2020:

We’ve an inept president & administration. Our US Senate is locked down by industrial puppets awaiting their masters instructions (not the people). Our hideous hodgepodge of For-Profit ‘Healthcare’ is the opposite of streamlined or all-inclusive. Our government is dysfunctional, our ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

Just hearing IL to go under shelter in place tomorrow. Let's hope WI acts quickly and soon follows.

"The governor said that because of shortages of coronavirus tests, they are being reserved for those...

AnneWimsey comments on Mar 20, 2020:

Pretty much Never unless yo u know somebody. It's first testing center at the eastern end of the state (where the non-wealthy live) just opened yesterday and only if you have symptoms And a doctor RX.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

@silverotter11 Oh my that is messed up. If you look at a map of my state almost all counties in se corner of state have cases. Is it random or the tip of the iceberg to be seen shortly?

"The governor said that because of shortages of coronavirus tests, they are being reserved for those...

AnneWimsey comments on Mar 20, 2020:

Pretty much Never unless yo u know somebody. It's first testing center at the eastern end of the state (where the non-wealthy live) just opened yesterday and only if you have symptoms And a doctor RX.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

What about for an urgent care patient? I can bet they will most likely say we are only testing if you have been out of country. So completely missing instances of community transmission.

"The governor said that because of shortages of coronavirus tests, they are being reserved for those...

itsmedammit comments on Mar 20, 2020:

News as of yesterday is that Abbott Labs has ramped up manufacture of its covid-19 test and will be distributing 1 million tests per week. It has already sent out 150,000. One positive step to figure out where we are at. ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

This is great news. I just hope it trickles down. I fear this virus has already infected so many. I have a bad feeling about the final outcome. But let's hope I am COMPLETELY WRONG. I often am.

When people lack data and/or understanding of said data, they fill in the blanks with bullshit.

Flowerwall comments on Mar 17, 2020:

Any associated studies with other illnesses?

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

@Davesnothere I think I read 7B which would be around 1% of budget. So next we have to ask is biodefense 1% of threat. I really am curious how exactly the threat is determined. The math, the assessment. It would be very interesting to learn about. Because that is exactly how the first 1B, or not full 1B, but some part of it, of defense budget must go - assessing the correct funding based on level of threat. Relying on computers and algorithms to figure everything out like so many do in various sectors including financial, medical and tech (to name a few) is very advanced at this point, but nothing can compare to human know-how and individual, ethical responsible decision-making and leadership. So we must put our absolute faith in the integrity of our very best leadership at the top. Right now it feels shaken. It's going to take some work to rebuild. I believe we will get there through time. So you worked in this field? Biodefense seen as stupid stratagem? Hmm, well, eliminate the threat as being from the "outside" let's say it is occurring from the inside, whether naturally or man-made, let's just forget the source at this point of the discussion, but why would prepping for pandemic ever be seen as stupid? Even if it doesn't warrant huge expenditures, rehearsing strategy of how you proceed based on severity, modes of transmission, location of where it originated from, possible loss of life as a result. This is important assessment that should always be occurring in real time. Like a broken record that is constantly asking the same question over and over. The national defense is constantly looking at what needs attending. I know, it's something I need to learn more about. Read up on.

"The Official Chinese Government Guide to Diagnosing and Treating the Novel Coronavirus" Is this ...

AnneWimsey comments on Mar 20, 2020:

This seems legit AND describes this scourge in far scarier terms than what we have been hearing in the western hemisphere.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

@AnneWimsey I wish I didn't have to continue being out there, but work. Getting another respiratory on top of what I have would not be fun. But the Docs say it's ok.

More COVID-19 drive-up testing sites created as Illinois confirms first virus death COVID-19 ...

AnneWimsey comments on Mar 18, 2020:

CT today reported its' first death as well...we have No testing sites, or tests/testing places that i know of. Update, approx. 100 deaths as of today, Thursday. Still no testing/testing places........

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

@TheoryNumber3 "The governor said that because of shortages of coronavirus tests, they are being reserved for those who may be critically ill, as well as healthcare workers on the front lines of the outbreak." This is on 3/20/20. You will not be tested for covid if you present to Dr with breathing related issues only "critically ill" https://www.nbc15.com/content/news/Gov-Evers-announces-first-2-deaths-from-COVID-19-deaths-in-Wisconsin-568947031.html

"The Official Chinese Government Guide to Diagnosing and Treating the Novel Coronavirus" Is this ...

AnneWimsey comments on Mar 20, 2020:

This seems legit AND describes this scourge in far scarier terms than what we have been hearing in the western hemisphere.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

The scariest part to me is knowing medical people are saying there are not enough tests and medical supplies. I also believe it is much more widespread than numbers would have us believe.

More COVID-19 drive-up testing sites created as Illinois confirms first virus death COVID-19 ...

AnneWimsey comments on Mar 18, 2020:

CT today reported its' first death as well...we have No testing sites, or tests/testing places that i know of. Update, approx. 100 deaths as of today, Thursday. Still no testing/testing places........

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

@TheoryNumber3 Please read up on this. It is very concerning. It is a struggle to get much needed medical supplies. https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/488537-governors-plead-with-trump-for-more-coronavirus-supplies-testing The thought has crossed my mind that maybe Democrat governors are exaggerating, but this article mentions Republican Governors as well. Additionally it is very stressful to see the reality of this. Case numbers are exploding- being sick or having family sick is a God awful experience at this time.

More COVID-19 drive-up testing sites created as Illinois confirms first virus death COVID-19 ...

Flowerwall comments on Mar 19, 2020:

Well considering that the CDC is court ordering Dr to only test people who have been out of the country it seems like a false pretense of real response. If you present to Dr with cough and breathing related issue you will not be tested for covid. Even healthcare workers aren't getting tested. I know...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 20, 2020:

@TheoryNumber3 You are presenting facts from an article and I am including words spoken to me from my personal experience yesterday. We have that clarified now.

When people lack data and/or understanding of said data, they fill in the blanks with bullshit.

Flowerwall comments on Mar 17, 2020:

Any associated studies with other illnesses?

Flowerwall replies on Mar 19, 2020:

@Davesnothere 693 billion, yes BILLION, defense budget last year. I wonder how much is allocated to biodefense? These are important issues to be examined. From what I understand there are people who may not be best qualified making monetary decisions for defense. We need to look at this better.

More COVID-19 drive-up testing sites created as Illinois confirms first virus death COVID-19 ...

Flowerwall comments on Mar 19, 2020:

Well considering that the CDC is court ordering Dr to only test people who have been out of the country it seems like a false pretense of real response. If you present to Dr with cough and breathing related issue you will not be tested for covid. Even healthcare workers aren't getting tested. I know...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 19, 2020:

@TheoryNumber3 Not in Wisconsin. Given the covid- run- around by state hotline yesterday and urgent care centers. Also note the qualifier, pre authorized by Dr. How does Dr qualify you, by following CDC guidelines.

When people lack data and/or understanding of said data, they fill in the blanks with bullshit.

Flowerwall comments on Mar 17, 2020:

Any associated studies with other illnesses?

Flowerwall replies on Mar 19, 2020:

@Davesnothere "That is why socities always forget pandemics. They are so messed up that afterwards no one wants to talk about it, or remeber who was lost, so they don't, and in a generation or two we forget, unless were history bufffs." I can see how there would be a human tendency to do that. However there are whole fields of study, books written on strategic planning processes. If you fail to account for this possibility AT ALL, you leave your entire nation completely vulnerable. Threat assessment. What are threats that are possible against the nation? I want a big team of our best and brightest thinkers put on the task of seeing the yhreat BEFORE it occurs. That would include historians. Every. Day. What are the possibilities of threats? Where is the oppurtunity for greatest impact in mitigating threats? Please don't tell me there has never been thought given to this possibility. Go to public health emergency website. It talks about it as though it has all been thought out and prepared for beforehand, which is what I would EXPECT. Apparently there was a summit held on bio-defense held in April, 2019. Hmm. I wonder what the outcome of that was? Or the purpose? I haven't read up on it. There are higher ups on the topic. You just have to wonder about their efficacy at this point.

Today, Thursday, Googling "coronavirus in CT".

RussRAB comments on Mar 19, 2020:

One possible explanation for dramatic increases in cases within the US is that testing was slow to be available to everyone. As testing increases and conducted on a much wider scale, the more cases that had previously gone untested and undetected will come to light. Low numbers which the ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 19, 2020:

I was told yesterday that there was a current order in place to only test hospital in-patients in my state. I said,"Do you see how this would give an absolutely FALSE representation of infected " Where are Pences1 million test kits?

More COVID-19 drive-up testing sites created as Illinois confirms first virus death COVID-19 ...

AnneWimsey comments on Mar 18, 2020:

CT today reported its' first death as well...we have No testing sites, or tests/testing places that i know of. Update, approx. 100 deaths as of today, Thursday. Still no testing/testing places........

Flowerwall replies on Mar 19, 2020:

Please research just how widespread this is. The CDC is only allowing testing of ppl who have been out of country, which means enormous swathes of ppl with breathing related issue are not being tested. Please pass it on. It is very concerning.

Anyone out of work (loss of paycheck) due to covus19 business slowdown or illness?

Flowerwall comments on Mar 18, 2020:

Who knows? It would be nice if employers cared about the issue though, I will say that.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 19, 2020:

@rogueflyer Good to know people like you exist then. I just haven't seen it with my own eyes on a personal level.

When people lack data and/or understanding of said data, they fill in the blanks with bullshit.

Flowerwall comments on Mar 17, 2020:

Any associated studies with other illnesses?

Flowerwall replies on Mar 18, 2020:

@Davesnothere "wait for biological evolution to act, if it does." What does that mean? I prefer some other option.

When people lack data and/or understanding of said data, they fill in the blanks with bullshit.

Flowerwall comments on Mar 17, 2020:

Any associated studies with other illnesses?

Flowerwall replies on Mar 18, 2020:

@Davesnothere No mask can ever truly conceal or maybe I mean contain. It's more like using a full body suit with the built in respirator. That's what we all need.

Widespread inadequate testing of Covd is all over the country.

MarkiusMahamius comments on Mar 18, 2020:

As far as I know the testing situation here is like everywhere else... only for people who meet exposure criteria and/or are actually sick. As I understand it,even under those very limited criteria, about 95% of the tests are coming back negative. It's a huge amount of effort for very little ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 18, 2020:

The World Health Organization has urged countries to test all suspected cases. If I present to a Dr. today with a cough and breathing issues I would expect to be tested for covid.

Definitely watch this!!! Mel Brooks’ son doesn’t want coronavirus to kill his dad — or any ...

Flowerwall comments on Mar 18, 2020:

Well of course not. So why is there inadequate testing of medical personnel at this stage of the game?

Flowerwall replies on Mar 18, 2020:

@AnneWimsey No I haven't heard that, but I have heard of drive-thru testing.

Definitely watch this!!! Mel Brooks’ son doesn’t want coronavirus to kill his dad — or any ...

Flowerwall comments on Mar 18, 2020:

Well of course not. So why is there inadequate testing of medical personnel at this stage of the game?

Flowerwall replies on Mar 18, 2020:

@AnneWimsey Why would that be? It's just a nasal swab

Who else is self isolating through this COVID-19 pandemic?

Flowerwall comments on Mar 18, 2020:

I want to know why healthcare workers are not having access to tests.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 18, 2020:

@Surfpirate According to what I was just told state WI is only testing inpatients.

"There is a shortage of coronavirus tests in Wisconsin, and even health care workers are having a ...

wonderandlisten comments on Mar 18, 2020:

I think this is pretty much the case all over the USA. I do wonder how many will test positive if and when anyone who wants to be tested can be tested.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 18, 2020:

Have just been informed that there is no special kit the Dr. office must have. Test consist of nasal swab. Kits are used in the labs, I presume. Also state of WI has set up a hotline. You will not be tested for covid in the state of WI unless you have been out of country. Even though hospital in Green Bay , is at 97% capacity and supposedly has 0 cases in the county, Brown County. https://www.wearegreenbay.com/coronavirus/green-bay-hospitals-at-97-percent-capacity-says-fire-chief/ Hmm. Also just informed by a medical person that the state of Wisconsin has ordered only inpatients in hospitals be tested. Previously this was not a stipulation. If you have free time on your hands start making phone calls. Call your health department, elected representatives, everyone you can. There is a massive lack of testing going on. And we need an answer NOW!

When people lack data and/or understanding of said data, they fill in the blanks with bullshit.

Flowerwall comments on Mar 17, 2020:

Any associated studies with other illnesses?

Flowerwall replies on Mar 18, 2020:

@Davesnothere I understand. I would never think this would be a medical approach that would have any type of effect on this particular virus. I just wonder, if there have ever been any studies at all.

A friend sent me this screenshot of a Twitter post by a local county sheriff.

Happycanuck comments on Mar 16, 2020:

Wow 321 likes for his post. I saw information that "belief" in COVID19 is split by party lines. We shall see who is right. Here in Canada too we have a lot not taking it seriously. A lot think it will be all over by the first week in April. I disagree.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 17, 2020:

Just from the lower number of people I would think Canada would be faster to recover.

Has he gone MAD?

Davesnothere comments on Mar 15, 2020:

"suggests that it would be beneficial for the country to build up some sort of herd immunity to the novel coronavirus strain in the long run." This is epidemiology 101. When a NOVEL virus appears, humanity has no immunity at all, as no one has contracted it before. After the Novel virus ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 17, 2020:

@Davesnothere What do the higher ups plan for when they are thinking about national defense, disease outbreaks and such? You plan fire drills, tornado drills, you think about everything that could go wrong. As a nation, what? What is the role of defense? The role of disease control? I would REALLY HOPE there is a dedicated group of cross trained medical/military people sitting around a nice big conference table somewhere everyday thinking about and planning for this very type of occurance. "How do we as a nation lead the pack and as soon as we become aware of an unknown threat that is out there, contain it so it is not brought back on shore?" Asking the question everyday. Maybe it's easy to say this in hindsight "we should have seen this coming" But the fact we didn't makes me question what is being at the top. In another post I was mentioning an article about Rep Nunes, I thought it mentioned he is on house intelligence committee. Our national intelligence? This would be the committee that determines how we will fund intelligence activities? Well this may be the problem. Rep. Nunes seems to be lacking basic understanding of spread of disease. Maybe not a good candidate. Maybe there should be a basic knowledge test, a proficiency exam, all members have to pass before they are to sit on committees of this nature.

The Province of Ontario in Canada, which is where I live, has implemented a State of Emergency that ...

Flowerwall comments on Mar 17, 2020:

Are all nations/ states issuing similar order? I wonder.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 17, 2020:

@Surfpirate I read typically 5 days until symptoms, max two weeks in 99% of cases.

A friend sent me this screenshot of a Twitter post by a local county sheriff.

Flowerwall comments on Mar 17, 2020:

What about Rep. Nunes encouraging people to go out to restaurants in order to support local businesses? Someone in the comments section said there are other ways to do that, such as drive thru, purchase gift cards, order take out. What an uninformed thing for Rep. Nunes to say! He must be lacking in...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 17, 2020:

@BirdMan1 Someone in the comments of the article I read had said "Oh look another village has lost their idiot." I think it was meant to refer to Rep. Nunes. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/its-a-great-time-to-go-out-california-republican-devin-nunes-talks-about-life-amid-the-coronavirus-pandemic-2020-03-15?siteid=yhoof2=yahoo I couldn't find the exact comment again. But the overall tone of commentors is not reflecting a positive view of his advice. 7 million in CA ordered shelter in place.

The Province of Ontario in Canada, which is where I live, has implemented a State of Emergency that ...

Flowerwall comments on Mar 17, 2020:

Are all nations/ states issuing similar order? I wonder.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 17, 2020:

@Surfpirate Not yet. When did news first begin of this sars-like illness? Honestly, I thought it was January of 2020. I think the first confirmed case in US was Feb 1. A lot of the timing seems off, late. I wonder why this disease has infected so many more than SARS. I am not criticizing shutting things down now because it is the right direction to go , but I wonder how many are truly infected at this point. In US I am reading it is probably only the tip of the iceberg that we know of.

A friend sent me this screenshot of a Twitter post by a local county sheriff.

Flowerwall comments on Mar 17, 2020:

What about Rep. Nunes encouraging people to go out to restaurants in order to support local businesses? Someone in the comments section said there are other ways to do that, such as drive thru, purchase gift cards, order take out. What an uninformed thing for Rep. Nunes to say! He must be lacking in...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 17, 2020:

@Lorajay Absolutely. My state health department is still mentioning recent travel to China. Last I heard China only had 15 new cases and that was like a week ago. Possibly lower now. Our state has mentioned there is community spread, but want to know if you have been to China in order to administer a test?! Who is charge there?

Has he gone MAD?

Davesnothere comments on Mar 15, 2020:

"suggests that it would be beneficial for the country to build up some sort of herd immunity to the novel coronavirus strain in the long run." This is epidemiology 101. When a NOVEL virus appears, humanity has no immunity at all, as no one has contracted it before. After the Novel virus ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 17, 2020:

@Davesnothere Wait a minute. As soon as reports started coming out that there are reports of a new SARS like illness spreading, how should a government respond? It is quite simple. The CDC, the medical response side is alerted, travel becomes dramatically reduced all are alerted not to go because travel may be stopped to the region for a long. You put ii in a "possible pandemic" mode. Then all incoming travelers are quarantined, or self quarantined. You create lists of travelers. You call them. You follow up on their condition. You medically monitor them. You don't allow it to spread. This is THE MOST IMPORTANT phase. Let's not forget according to the original numbers as I calculated out according to Chinese travel data there would have been approximately 16, 000 Americans in China. How many are affected here now? HOW MANY? What a FAILURE! AN UTTER FAILURE! WHAT A LACK OF APPROPRIATE RESPONSE! And the response of world leaders? UNREAL! And of the original 16,000 how many were affected by Covid? 10% is 1,600. 5% is 800. 2.5% is 400 1% is 160. .1% is 16. What number were? I would imagine it would be 5% or less. More than that seems illogical. I know I sound harsh in this post, it is not directed at one person but the entire situation.

Has he gone MAD?

Surfpirate comments on Mar 16, 2020:

The Tory's were all in favour of culling badgers, even after it turned out the science was wrong.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 17, 2020:

Not familiar with this at all, but the state animal here is the badger and it's known as the dairy state, so I would never imagine an adversarial type relationship between badger and cow, in terms of disease transmission. However as I was looking up info on my state's health department website I saw mention of bovine TB. Had never heard of it before.

Has he gone MAD?

Davesnothere comments on Mar 15, 2020:

"suggests that it would be beneficial for the country to build up some sort of herd immunity to the novel coronavirus strain in the long run." This is epidemiology 101. When a NOVEL virus appears, humanity has no immunity at all, as no one has contracted it before. After the Novel virus ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 17, 2020:

@Davesnothere I think this article makes long-term immunity sound less likely than a fading immunity. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/15/can-you-get-infected-by-coronavirus-twice-how-does-covid-19-immunity-work/amp/ Although from what I understand the UK officials have backed off from the "herd immunity" approach. I think it was presented in a horrible way and I think it is quite unsettling that this was brought up like this. Leaders need to reassure, leaders need to SOLVE PROBLEMS, leaders need to put every single constituents needs into consideration. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if this sinks certain people politically. I just read an article that tore up several world leaders responses to the crisis and the observations were accurate. I do not follow politics enough to know the exact leanings of the various leaders, to say I agree politically with their stance, but the response to this crisis, I do know what I think appropriate response should have been. To say the various governments have never planned for this type of scenario? That is something I cannot believe. If not, then definitely more transparency needs to exist on what is happening "behind the scenes" in disaster preparedness. We need to rebuild our sense of safety.

Happy Pi day everyone. :-) [pocket.co]

FearlessFly comments on Mar 16, 2020:

. . . PI day was 2 days ago 3.14 :)

Flowerwall replies on Mar 17, 2020:

Which makes today a perfect day. No, I mean yesterday now.

How doctors can potentially significantly reduce the number of deaths from Covid-19 [vox.com]

Surchin comments on Mar 15, 2020:

Color me cynical. The author of the article just happened to write a book about the topic published in November 2019. I'm not saying he's wrong. I just feel there is a strong financial incentive now for him to write the article. A lot of what he is saying is like "IL-6 blockade has recently been ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 15, 2020:

I am not a scientist or in the medical field. I apologize, but is this what you are talking about? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5707683/ I want to pass more information on to someone who is more knowledgeable in this area and wondering is this good, does it confirm what you are saying?

Has he gone MAD?

Davesnothere comments on Mar 15, 2020:

"suggests that it would be beneficial for the country to build up some sort of herd immunity to the novel coronavirus strain in the long run." This is epidemiology 101. When a NOVEL virus appears, humanity has no immunity at all, as no one has contracted it before. After the Novel virus ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 15, 2020:

Please see the article I posted in reply to Lilac Jade with regard to possible reinfection of previously cured. Also is there proof that those affected with strain 1 cannot be infected with strain 2? If so I would like to see any info regarding it. I just came across this article as well. "When I first heard about this, I could not believe it. I research and teach evolution and epidemiology of infectious disease at Harvard’s Chan School of Public Health. My colleagues here in the US, even as they are reeling from the stumbling response of the Donald Trump administration to the crisis, assumed that reports of the UK policy were satire" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19 Article also ends by saying "Don’t panic, but do prepare. If your government won’t help you, do it yourself."

Has he gone MAD?

Lilac-JadeCanada comments on Mar 15, 2020:

I still say he & scump share dna!

Flowerwall replies on Mar 15, 2020:

@Lilac-Jade I just read about possible reinfection of previously cured. https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2020/03/06/Experts-unsure-if-cured-COVID-19-patients-are-reinfected-or-relapsed/8101583529793/ So where is the data that supports herd immunity approach? Where are they getting it from?

Has he gone MAD?

Lilac-JadeCanada comments on Mar 15, 2020:

I still say he & scump share dna!

Flowerwall replies on Mar 15, 2020:

I hope the citizens and opposing forces of government DEMAND a more proactive response.

"Asia’s richest man announced his intention on Friday to ship 500,000 testing kits and 1 million ...

NHjulie comments on Mar 14, 2020:

Do you think tRump will decline the offer? He has everything so under control that we shouldn't need someone feeling sorry for us and giving us much needed support.

Flowerwall replies on Mar 14, 2020:

I appreciate any organization or individual that helps to support the cause of recovery. Trump and his administration do currently owe the public a more transparent and accurate accounting for the decionmaking that has occurred up until this point, imo. If the offer is declined it must be demanded that there is an explanation. I read an article just the other day, and it talked about the overall of accountability for many aspects of the handling of this matter. I felt the President was attempting to stop discussion of accountability when he responded to questioning of previous action as "a nasty question" in the recent press briefing.

"Asia’s richest man announced his intention on Friday to ship 500,000 testing kits and 1 million ...

Surfpirate comments on Mar 14, 2020:

I know of one electric bike distributor in the US that sent a large shipment of masks and other supplies to China when the epidemic was just taking off. The Chinese customs people required that certain items be disassembled in order to comply with customs laws in China, bureaucracy knows no bounds....

Flowerwall replies on Mar 14, 2020:

Hmm. I hope government is NEVER standing in the way of public health. When it is, this is when government itself is diseased. Well hopefully with the accepted offer we can ramp up testing. According to my states tally total test result for covid only number around 200. It sounds extremely low. I wonder what the reasoning is on that when we are this far into the process? From what I am reading, and just what I would think given the nature of the illness, widespread testing is the best defense.

"Asia’s richest man announced his intention on Friday to ship 500,000 testing kits and 1 million ...

bobwjr comments on Mar 14, 2020:

We should be ashamed

Flowerwall replies on Mar 14, 2020:

I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of. I think it reflects very positively on Jack Ma as a human being. What could be cause for deep shame is anyone in role of decisionmaking who blocks any effort that is the best interest of public health.

White house tells CDC to classify findings

Flowerwall comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Oh wow. Makes the whole thing look suspicious. It's being done in secret because _________ ? I can't think of a good reason why, but then again I am not privy to the highest level intelligence either. I can only give opinion from the outside. I wonder if this in any way relates to the other problems...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 12, 2020:

@bobwjr Oh WOW. ANOTHER data breach! This time by labcorp. https://techcrunch.com/2020/01/28/labcorp-website-bug-medical-data-exposed/

White house tells CDC to classify findings

Flowerwall comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Oh wow. Makes the whole thing look suspicious. It's being done in secret because _________ ? I can't think of a good reason why, but then again I am not privy to the highest level intelligence either. I can only give opinion from the outside. I wonder if this in any way relates to the other problems...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 12, 2020:

@bobwjr "I just think this is something, Peter, that you can never really think is going to happen. You know, who -- I've heard all about, 'This could be...' -- you know, 'This could be a big deal,' from before it happened." Trump https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trump-struggles-explain-why-he-disbanded-his-global-health-team-n1153221 I guess this is Trump's explanation? It sounds a little lacking in forethought I would say. I will pray that this is not how we ended up here.

White house tells CDC to classify findings

Flowerwall comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Oh wow. Makes the whole thing look suspicious. It's being done in secret because _________ ? I can't think of a good reason why, but then again I am not privy to the highest level intelligence either. I can only give opinion from the outside. I wonder if this in any way relates to the other problems...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 12, 2020:

@bobwjr What labs? I hadn't heard this.

White house tells CDC to classify findings

Flowerwall comments on Mar 11, 2020:

Oh wow. Makes the whole thing look suspicious. It's being done in secret because _________ ? I can't think of a good reason why, but then again I am not privy to the highest level intelligence either. I can only give opinion from the outside. I wonder if this in any way relates to the other problems...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 12, 2020:

@bobwjr That's one possible explanation, but it could also be an attempt to avoid any criticism of the highest level decision making. I would really be interested in hearing the explanation that was given for dissolving the global health security team that would have headed this crisis that occurred under his leadership. There has to be a well-thought-out reason why this occurred. A strategic decision making process that was followed, something that pointed to a lowering of risk from potential disease sources, less risk of bioterrorism. What were those key indicators? What were the factors in this decision making process? I wonder if anyone has come across an interview/ news article that details the why of this matter.

I have started a new group called COVID-19 in an effort to provide a forum for free thinkers, ...

AmyTheBruce comments on Mar 11, 2020:

I'm in Western Washington, and trying not to panic. A childhood friend (and her husband and children) is recovering from this virus. My sister-in-law found out yesterday that she was exposed at work. I figure my chances of exposure are low, since I'm practically a hermit. Still, this is starting...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 11, 2020:

Hope it all goes well for everyone there. I would really stay indoors as much as possible at this time.

I have started a new group called COVID-19 in an effort to provide a forum for free thinkers, ...

Mitch07102 comments on Mar 11, 2020:

I heard an insight from someone in the pharma industry who has seen data regarding how the virus spread in China, where it appears to have crested. Think of a wave. We are getting hit by it now. Get ready for it to get worse before it gets better, exacerbated by our governments slow response, and ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 11, 2020:

I would completely expect event cancellations and hope for a lot more of them. One fact being underreported by the media is the total number of cases versus how many are ACTIVE. Well over half of the total number of cases have already recovered or passed away. I feel omitting this number is misleading on the part of the media.

"As recently as Friday, a nurse at a hospital in California was being denied access to the ...

RoyMillar comments on Mar 9, 2020:

wow what next

Flowerwall replies on Mar 9, 2020:

Who knows? But if these agencies come together and really work on it maybe it will be brought under control. It was promising to see Italy is asking everyone to quarantine.

"As recently as Friday, a nurse at a hospital in California was being denied access to the ...

Killtheskyfairy comments on Mar 9, 2020:

Apparently Trump is waiting for a company he has ownership interest in to produce the kits so he can make money off of it.🤬

Flowerwall replies on Mar 9, 2020:

Or maybe Bill Gates saves the day ? https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/08/gates-foundation-backed-program-will-soon-be-issuing-home-testing-kits-for-covid-19-in-seattle/ Looks like his foundation has it more together than the CDC.

"As recently as Friday, a nurse at a hospital in California was being denied access to the ...

Killtheskyfairy comments on Mar 9, 2020:

Apparently Trump is waiting for a company he has ownership interest in to produce the kits so he can make money off of it.🤬

Flowerwall replies on Mar 9, 2020:

They are all worried about money. Airlines are complaining about discouraging travel because they will lose money. WHO CARES ABOUT THEIR PROFITS?

How are these god pumping people dealing with the current virus?

JackPedigo comments on Mar 9, 2020:

In an editorial by Michele Goldberg "A calamitous coronavirus response" compared how communities fared under autocratic and democratic regimes. Worth a read. https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2020/03/07/michelle-goldberg-trumps/

Flowerwall replies on Mar 9, 2020:

Now we are up to about 600 cases.

No wonder why there is community transmission of coronavirus [nbcchicago.

Bierbasstard comments on Mar 9, 2020:

I wondered about that myself. You recall exchange students from affected areas with no plan for reintegration?

Flowerwall replies on Mar 9, 2020:

Plan should be quarantine and test. Always. Treat returning passengers as though they are infected until proven otherwise.

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phoenixone1 comments on Mar 2, 2020:

Provider free for all is more like it...I am retired on Medicare...I had 2 stents put in...Up through the ole Femoral Artery for the insertion...I was on the table for a total of 45 minutes...awake for the whole thing(in la-la land) ... Overnight stay for routine observation and I needed some pain ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 3, 2020:

There have been caps written into law on how much of premiums collected must go to payout of medical expenses. This was part of ACA. CEOS in other parts of the industry are possibly still getting away with it. These are the stops that need to be put in place.

What is going to take to make you realize just how destructive Trump is?

Flowerwall comments on Feb 28, 2020:

I don't understand WHY we are being told to prepare for this illness. How many people are traveling in from China on a daily basis? What is the problem with containing people who are traveling in from effected regions/countries? Why is there this ineffectiveness? Imagine a worse illness with a ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 3, 2020:

@GhostSoCal Well not caring about public health is a BIG PROBLEM! When would a majority of Americans ever agree with THAT decision? Maybe I am wrong, but I think on the whole voters are usually right and I cannot ever see the voters thinking this is a good idea. Why are we at the whim of the President in this regard? This is WRONG. This is how you come to suspect that there are flaws in how our government is run. It feels like we are under a monarchy in this regard and the king has made his decree that we the subjects will now have to deal with despite our knowledge and preferences. Certain aspects of how the country is run should not be under Presidential control to disband and this is one of them! Trying to fix it now, it's late. Not saying all shouldn't be done now, but an ounce of prevention worth a pound of cure. Also the public health website mentioned above does have updated information. I accessed the website via a link from my state's health website and that is where the older, not updated page was.

Those who criticize the progressive idea of universal healthcare are either speaking from ignorance...

Marionville comments on Feb 28, 2020:

I am very thankful that I’m British and we have our National Health Service which is paid for through our National Insurance contributions, which are taken at source from our earnings by our employers along with our PAYE income tax. The employer then pays the monies taken to H.M. Revenue & Taxes ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 2, 2020:

@JackPedigo Yes I do recall at one point, was it 10 years ago or so?, where they stopped counting certain groups of people as they been unemployed so long they were considered to have dropped out of the workforce. Maybe a better way to calculate would be trying to create that number ourselves based on population, number employed etc, and then doing the math. I guess I don't understand how people drop out of the workforce in those situations, or why it would be useful to exclude people from the count. I think many people do live in poverty. It is a very serious problem that needs to be worked out. You hear talk of these growing homeless populations and it's a reality. Yes I can imagine government is always short of money, right? It never changes. I don't know how CA would ever be able to implement single-payer. The little bit I have read on it makes it sound so far-fetched. Yes those special assessments do add up! 1% is a very low rate overall. Many other states' residents would envy that. Good luck with the library board if you join. A 5 star little library sounds like a great place to volunteer/get involved.

Four Lawmakers Vote Against House Bill to Make Lynching Federal Hate Crime, Cite 'Government ...

Flowerwall comments on Feb 28, 2020:

I wonder how does lynching differ from what is in the law already regarding hate crimes? I would think this type of scenario would be very obviously already covered under existing definitions. Also, is it truthful to say leaving it to the states would mean perpetrator would receive capital ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 1, 2020:

@snytiger6 Okay if it adds additional time and additional charge then sure absolutely yes. I can't believe this would not have been in place already. It is an extremely heinous crime and in my opinion necessitate the highest possible punishments.

What is going to take to make you realize just how destructive Trump is?

Flowerwall comments on Feb 28, 2020:

I don't understand WHY we are being told to prepare for this illness. How many people are traveling in from China on a daily basis? What is the problem with containing people who are traveling in from effected regions/countries? Why is there this ineffectiveness? Imagine a worse illness with a ...

Flowerwall replies on Mar 1, 2020:

@GhostSoCal This is EXACTLY the type of mismanagement I am talking about! You get this sense of complete lack of preparedness. Is it lack of foresight to potential problems? Is it a lack of prioritizing public health? Or is it deliberate? I read an article yesterday that Bill Gates created a plan on how the world needs to improve response to emerging diseases. And it has some good ideas in it, but just reading it makes me realize how woefully unprepared the world is for outbreaks such as these. It's a huge failure to assess and plan for a risk that is out there. And I by no means am criticizing the health professionals on the front lines. They have my utmost respect. I am referring to those in government and international agencies who are responsible for addressing and preparing for these issues. As soon as dozens were identified as having pneumonia in Wuhan of undetermined origin this should be immediate red flag with travelling. How long after we had that news did we stop incoming travel? Everyone should have responded with red flag on travel. I mean because now because we DID NOT respond quicker, how many are going to die?

Those who criticize the progressive idea of universal healthcare are either speaking from ignorance...

Flowerwall comments on Feb 28, 2020:

I think this is a complicated matter. Just because other nations do it, and studies are published saying yes, it doesn't mean it will ultimately wind up working to the benefit of the middle/working class here in America. When does it ever? Taxes will go sky high. Healthcare will suffer. What are ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 29, 2020:

@wordywalt I don't claim to have the final answer here, but I think the best counter to ignorance and bias are facts. I just read about Ezekiel Emanuel who is one of the leading minds on the subject and an architect of ACA. He is the brother of former Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel. He has written books on the subject and has another coming out in June entitled Which Country Has the World's Best Healthcare? I think we can learn from it. He is not in favor of M4A. Wish this book was already out there. What other books, studies, or ideas do you reference with regard to this issue?

Those who criticize the progressive idea of universal healthcare are either speaking from ignorance...

Marionville comments on Feb 28, 2020:

I am very thankful that I’m British and we have our National Health Service which is paid for through our National Insurance contributions, which are taken at source from our earnings by our employers along with our PAYE income tax. The employer then pays the monies taken to H.M. Revenue & Taxes ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 29, 2020:

@Marionville, @JackPedigo I appreciate the responses. There is a lot to consider in such a big decision that effects so many. This is why it has to be studied from every possible angle beforehand. The worst possibility is people not seeking medical care or being able to afford the care that is needed. I think everyone can agree on that. And I think that is why change has been made through steps in that direction under President Obama. And hopefully Republicans don't undo progress in the coming years and get away with working against the interests of Americans health. I had been under the impression unemployment rates were higher in UK than US, but I just looked up and rates are running just about the same 3.x%.Well that is proof that unemployment can still be low with socialized medicine. Somewhat of a problem with the shortage of Drs there because of situation with Brexit. Also the need for new hospitals to be built. No situation will ever be problem free and hearing you express approval for your healthcare system overall is a good sign that it is not a system completely riddled with problems. Just looked at poverty rates. UK looks to be at 22% and US 11%. I think the situation mentioned with property taxes is exactly the type of situation every American is wary of. Rates going up ever higher and higher. Knowing that part of money paid to the system is wasted. Studies show waste in our current model, what about possible waste under a M4A system? I think the whole timing for this idea is somewhat premature. I look forward to seeing what happens in CA with their study. With that said I still support Sanders. I believe he has the interests of the American people foremost in his plans. Maybe with his somewhat radical ideas he will put further positive changes in motion.

Those who criticize the progressive idea of universal healthcare are either speaking from ignorance...

Marionville comments on Feb 28, 2020:

I am very thankful that I’m British and we have our National Health Service which is paid for through our National Insurance contributions, which are taken at source from our earnings by our employers along with our PAYE income tax. The employer then pays the monies taken to H.M. Revenue & Taxes ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 28, 2020:

What is the patient experience like as part of NHS? Wait times to get to see a Dr., specialist, surgery or any other type of medical care? What are your biggest complaints with the system? It sounds like no bills is the easiest possible way to handle it from patient perspective. What are the biggest complaints you have seen others express with their own personal experiences with NHS? What would the average person expect to pay for taxes to NHS? Does the rate vary based on income levels or is it flat? Do you or anyone you know have medical expenses outside of the taxes you pay? Sorry for all the questions. Just answer what you can, but if anyone else can give info, please do.

What is going to take to make you realize just how destructive Trump is?

Flowerwall comments on Feb 28, 2020:

I don't understand WHY we are being told to prepare for this illness. How many people are traveling in from China on a daily basis? What is the problem with containing people who are traveling in from effected regions/countries? Why is there this ineffectiveness? Imagine a worse illness with a ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 28, 2020:

@GhostSoCal According to a number I just read Wuhan is 10th mot popular Chinese tourist destination. 2.5 million visitors annually. I am sure this is a global number of visitors and vast majority would be from neighboring nations. That's a guess. Wuhan population is 11.08 million. So maybe 200,000 travelers during the past month. Wouldn't all travels to the region STOP as soon news of this illness spread? Now we are talking about more nations, more areas, of course. But again if this illness had a very high mortality rate, it's just appearing as ineffective capacity to contain. We need a much better response, imo. EDIT: Just read this "The third and fourth largest source continents were America and Oceania, with the share of 7.9% and 1.9% respectively." (They are referring to tourism when they say source continents.) Wow so that would bring the number of Americans in Wuhan down to a much smaller number.

What is going to take to make you realize just how destructive Trump is?

Flowerwall comments on Feb 28, 2020:

I don't understand WHY we are being told to prepare for this illness. How many people are traveling in from China on a daily basis? What is the problem with containing people who are traveling in from effected regions/countries? Why is there this ineffectiveness? Imagine a worse illness with a ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 28, 2020:

@wordywalt https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/biodefense-strategy/Pages/default.aspx Page says it was last updated in June 2019? Anyone home there?

What is going to take to make you realize just how destructive Trump is?

St-Sinner comments on Feb 28, 2020:

Trump is very destructive and I want him gone. But what is worse is the solution we are working on. It is worse. It is called Bernie. It will only make the problem worse.

Flowerwall replies on Feb 28, 2020:

Until you explain why that is so you are not telling us anything.

I for one am already weary--and just a bit alarmed--by the hatred expressed (by some posters) for ...

Bobbyzen comments on Feb 26, 2020:

I don’t know. I think it’s my responsibility as an aware human being and voter to post about all the candidates’ actual record and positions. If those are considered negative, it’s because the record/positions are anathema to whom the Democratic Party once stood for, namely the poor and ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 28, 2020:

@Bobbyzen I watched a video showing exactly what Bloomberg said. I can find and repost if anyone is interested. Also found this video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xWruDmwKr70

I have to finally go and deal with something today that is stressful.

AncientNight comments on Feb 28, 2020:

Take a deep breath! Close your eyes! Relax! Now, let that breath out, open your eyes and know you got this!

Flowerwall replies on Feb 28, 2020:

Think you

I for one am already weary--and just a bit alarmed--by the hatred expressed (by some posters) for ...

Bobbyzen comments on Feb 26, 2020:

I don’t know. I think it’s my responsibility as an aware human being and voter to post about all the candidates’ actual record and positions. If those are considered negative, it’s because the record/positions are anathema to whom the Democratic Party once stood for, namely the poor and ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 28, 2020:

@Bobbyzen I DID read the article, but as it states at the end I am keeping an open mind. I don't immediately label police practice as racist unless it is clear it IS. And as article points out Chicago is not New York. Your article states stop and frisk was horrible PTSD inducing, and I understand, NOT GOOD, but what about the crime itself? I think that produces PTSD also when people don't feel safe because police are NOT policing enough, when people are living in constant possibility of violence or have lost family or friends. From what I hear it creates a huge disconnect between community members and the people meant to protect them. I am getting off topic somewhat. This is about Bloomberg and New York, though comparisons to Chicago are useful. If you read up on Chicago, I think the murder rate is 4x higher than New York.

I have to finally go and deal with something today that is stressful.

Freedompath comments on Feb 28, 2020:

Good luck...maybe it will be easier than expected. Give yourself a pat on the back (imaginary), after facing this hard thing!

Flowerwall replies on Feb 28, 2020:

Yes. Thanks for your reply.

I have to finally go and deal with something today that is stressful.

JamesZabodyn comments on Feb 27, 2020:

Good luck. I'm in the same boat tomorrow. I have to go tell the DMV they messed up :/

Flowerwall replies on Feb 27, 2020:

Hope you don't have to deal with very long lines

I have to finally go and deal with something today that is stressful.

BitFlipper comments on Feb 27, 2020:

You will be so relieved when it's over.

Flowerwall replies on Feb 27, 2020:

Yes there is some sense of relief.

I have to finally go and deal with something today that is stressful.

AnneWimsey comments on Feb 27, 2020:

And you will feel so free & happy afterwards!

Flowerwall replies on Feb 27, 2020:

I am glad I followed through, but oh my goodness is life perplexing.

I have to finally go and deal with something today that is stressful.

LeighShelton comments on Feb 27, 2020:

it is what it is

Flowerwall replies on Feb 27, 2020:

That's true.

I have to finally go and deal with something today that is stressful.

itsmedammit comments on Feb 27, 2020:

Hope all goes as well as possible.

Flowerwall replies on Feb 27, 2020:

Thank you.

I have to finally go and deal with something today that is stressful.

ToolGuy comments on Feb 27, 2020:

Good luck!

Flowerwall replies on Feb 27, 2020:

Thanks for your reply.

You know the more i am on here, the more i treasure the intelligence shown, and even the silliness ...

Flowerwall comments on Feb 26, 2020:

I missed "the trolls trying to discourage voting", but I haven't been reading too many posts. What type of things are being said?

Flowerwall replies on Feb 27, 2020:

@Athena Yeah attempting to employ reason is a favorite tactic of mine, lol. Thanks for the applause! Hope you are having a great day! Throwing around a word "communist" - it's not threatening. Is he communist? Reason will win the arguement. I personally am currently in favor of Sanders even though I do disagree with some of his policy proposals. Maybe even a lot of his policy ideas, but I get a good sense of Sanders as an individual who genuinely cares and wants to make a positive difference. To me, this is key. The "communist" vibe I am getting in the Presdential race is coming from all these candidates who don't seem to be fully functioning the same reality as the average American, although that's not such an accurate use of the word. I mean corrupt. Sanders seems to be in touch with reality. So if he has a hunchback, or is Jewish, who gives a damn? Does he understand the plight of the middle and working class of America? Will he work for our interests or will he be working for tax cuts for the rich? Ha-ha, NO! (NOT WORKING FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE RICH)

I for one am already weary--and just a bit alarmed--by the hatred expressed (by some posters) for ...

Bobbyzen comments on Feb 26, 2020:

I don’t know. I think it’s my responsibility as an aware human being and voter to post about all the candidates’ actual record and positions. If those are considered negative, it’s because the record/positions are anathema to whom the Democratic Party once stood for, namely the poor and ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 26, 2020:

@Bobbyzen Okay, here's one for you to read. https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/03/did-the-end-of-stop-and-frisk-cause-murder-to-explode-in-chicago/

You know the more i am on here, the more i treasure the intelligence shown, and even the silliness ...

Flowerwall comments on Feb 26, 2020:

I missed "the trolls trying to discourage voting", but I haven't been reading too many posts. What type of things are being said?

Flowerwall replies on Feb 26, 2020:

@AnneWimsey I am sure it can seem that way. But as people read and there are no supporting facts it's obvious.

You know the more i am on here, the more i treasure the intelligence shown, and even the silliness ...

Flowerwall comments on Feb 26, 2020:

I missed "the trolls trying to discourage voting", but I haven't been reading too many posts. What type of things are being said?

Flowerwall replies on Feb 26, 2020:

@Athena, @AnneWimsey Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Focusing on facts for or against a position is a best bet.

You know the more i am on here, the more i treasure the intelligence shown, and even the silliness ...

St-Sinner comments on Feb 25, 2020:

Everyone must vote but for the record, Bernie supporters sat out 2016 election !!!!!

Flowerwall replies on Feb 26, 2020:

@St-Sinner What are the exact worries? What is the problem?

I for one am already weary--and just a bit alarmed--by the hatred expressed (by some posters) for ...

Bobbyzen comments on Feb 26, 2020:

I don’t know. I think it’s my responsibility as an aware human being and voter to post about all the candidates’ actual record and positions. If those are considered negative, it’s because the record/positions are anathema to whom the Democratic Party once stood for, namely the poor and ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 26, 2020:

Okay I get the arguments against racist policies, but what's better- stop and frisk or a much more laid back approach to crime and then you get Chiraq level results? Please tell me how inner city crime gets fixed. Because it needs to get fixed yesterday. Nice graph, btw.

The truth is ever harder to find - [theguardian.com]

Flowerwall comments on Feb 26, 2020:

What exactly is a bot? It's software? Or is it a person behaving "like a bot"? I don't get it.

Flowerwall replies on Feb 26, 2020:

@Allamanda I guess it's good reason to spend less time online.

The truth is ever harder to find - [theguardian.com]

Flowerwall comments on Feb 26, 2020:

What exactly is a bot? It's software? Or is it a person behaving "like a bot"? I don't get it.

Flowerwall replies on Feb 26, 2020:

@Allamanda Really? Is it that far advanced already? I have a hard time understanding it, but I guess it's real.

‪Melania’s Comeback to Whether She’s a Gold Digger: ‘If I Weren’t Beautiful, Do You Think ...

St-Sinner comments on Feb 25, 2020:

Just like we create lousy heroes, we have fucked up perceptions of values and the right and the wrong. All of this ok and we can live with aspirations that different people have. Men have trophy wives, women can love money, a good life and can be gold diggers, some are ambulance chasers and some ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 25, 2020:

Yep, envying her everyday, lol. That's really funny, though I guess in fairness probably all people who are famous are envied to some degree.

Homepage just changed; must learn it again.

Flowerwall comments on Feb 17, 2020:

I miss the number in the red bubble.

Flowerwall replies on Feb 17, 2020:

I see a number again. Yay. Now I just have to get used to navigating the other parts I am not used to.

Attorney General Warns of 'Militant Secular Effort' to Drive Out Religion

kellymkg comments on Feb 6, 2020:

This just gets crazier every day. This movie does not end well.

Flowerwall replies on Feb 6, 2020:

Some days it just seems like it will not end well. That is just some days though. I think overall it will get better.

My friend and user-interface designer who helped with this site has emerged from his hibernation and...

Pedrohbds comments on Feb 6, 2020:

1) Be able to search for group names 2) Better search system for topics, sometimes it is not clear where you are searching 3) Unify the normal list and the shared list of the groups, no one looks on he shared list so everyone needs to double post if something is relevant to more than one group

Flowerwall replies on Feb 6, 2020:

Yeah I often search words to see if something has already been posted, I don't think I am getting all the results. Or possibly not searching everwhere.

God Debates Atheist Lawyer Andrew Seidel I interviewed hot-shot atheist lawyer Andrew Seidel, who...

Flowerwall comments on Jan 31, 2020:

I've seen this book mentioned here before but I've not read it. I would like to learn more, though my first reaction is not positive because I feel it is in direct opposition to the intent and mindset of the Founding Fathers. This is is just my initial reaction however. I do realize our Founding ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 3, 2020:

@Joanne I agree with the first half of your last sentence. I haven't read the book, so it's hard for me to pinpoint exactly where it is a disagree. I also agree with all references to God being open to interpretation of individual religious beliefs or absence of belief. I also liked the quote given by the author in the interview "Patriotism has no religion". This is a good point to remember - your duty is to separate the lines of thinking to uphold each to the highest possible standards remembering that who we are as a nation is built upon certain fundamental principles of tolerance and freedom that are unchanging. There certainly are boundaries on where those exist, definately. And the boundaries cannot be crossed without changing the core. Also thanks for posting the treaty info. It is something to learn about.

I can't say I'm very shocked by these comments, but it does make me wonder how these people could ...

Flowerwall comments on Feb 2, 2020:

Okay this is stuff that law enforcement should be following up on.

Flowerwall replies on Feb 3, 2020:

@creative51 Yeah and this is also being said today by a lawmaker. Exact same. In Montana it's going after socialists. The low bar of American dialogue - Disagree with em? Always got your guns!

God Debates Atheist Lawyer Andrew Seidel I interviewed hot-shot atheist lawyer Andrew Seidel, who...

Flowerwall comments on Jan 31, 2020:

I've seen this book mentioned here before but I've not read it. I would like to learn more, though my first reaction is not positive because I feel it is in direct opposition to the intent and mindset of the Founding Fathers. This is is just my initial reaction however. I do realize our Founding ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 3, 2020:

@bobbio52 Thank you for including this detailed information I was not familiar with. Even if we put aside the Founding Fathers intent and look at the words of Abraham Lincoln, our nation's greatest, we see references to God in his addresses to the nation. I came across one of his speeches the other day , as I was looking something up, and he very clearly puts the references in no uncertain terms "God" and it is at this mention that his words seem the most profound, imo.

God Debates Atheist Lawyer Andrew Seidel I interviewed hot-shot atheist lawyer Andrew Seidel, who...

Flowerwall comments on Jan 31, 2020:

I've seen this book mentioned here before but I've not read it. I would like to learn more, though my first reaction is not positive because I feel it is in direct opposition to the intent and mindset of the Founding Fathers. This is is just my initial reaction however. I do realize our Founding ...

Flowerwall replies on Feb 3, 2020:

@Joanne, @twill, @redbai, @bobbio52 Thanks for your reply. I just read an interview with the author and I am finding myself in agreement with him more than I expected to. I do agree in a high level of separation between church and state because it allows people to worship freely or not worship at all, a very neccessary component of a free society, but I do still think our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values. Also, I can understand why the ideas presented in the book were presented and I think given our current political reality it is a neccessary perspective to examine and understand in more detail. Reading the book seems like a good way to do just that. I hope to read more.

Happy Palindrome Day! [amp.cnn.com]

FearlessFly comments on Feb 2, 2020:

What about 12/02/2021 ? :P

Flowerwall replies on Feb 2, 2020:

Oh I see the difference, yours is a palindrome date as well, but I guess not considered "global". Thanks for posting it

Happy Palindrome Day! [amp.cnn.com]

FearlessFly comments on Feb 2, 2020:

Are we not pure? “No, sir!” Panama’s moody Noriega brags. “It is garbage!” Irony dooms a man—a prisoner up to new era.

Flowerwall replies on Feb 2, 2020:

Only one word will do "Wow"

Trump Spiritual Adviser Paula White Orders End To ‘Satanic Pregnancies’.

jamesthered comments on Jan 28, 2020:

Pastor White comment's regarding money are similar to virtually all of the "televangelists." They ask for money, in god's name, from the gullible poor. In return, these paupers are promised "great wealth raining down from heaven" if they send off their dollars to these conmen/women. The ...

Flowerwall replies on Jan 28, 2020:

Well in works such as "Rosemary's Baby" it is very clearly fiction, a scary story, the intent is a horror read. But to attempt to pass this off as a fact, a real thing, it is really wrong and irresponsible. I don't ever think of televangelists as being real. It's hard to believe, but I guess they are.

Is there any truth in this TED talk?

Flowerwall comments on Jan 14, 2020:

Oh wow, thinking about this just made me realize why I recently thought of an individual as having strong leadership abilities. I don't want to say who it is because I don't know enough about him, but my thoughts upon first hearing him speak were "One day President?" I could be completely wrong ...

Flowerwall replies on Jan 20, 2020:

@Mcflewster Yes. But I just have to get there.

Is there any truth in this TED talk?

Flowerwall comments on Jan 14, 2020:

Oh wow, thinking about this just made me realize why I recently thought of an individual as having strong leadership abilities. I don't want to say who it is because I don't know enough about him, but my thoughts upon first hearing him speak were "One day President?" I could be completely wrong ...

Flowerwall replies on Jan 19, 2020:

@Mcflewster So many things I still wanted to say here and from different perspective, but it is not all possible. One thing I do hope to pursue is a document I found online regarding candidate selection. It's quite long and I need a better way of reading it.