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I am quokka!! Well, in spirit maybe. Actually I am a former anti-theist now a secular hindu. I believe that the consciousness is actually eternal and will go on long after this shell of a body has passed.

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What does karma really mean?
JeffMesser comments on Apr 9, 2018:
Wrong. all wrong. Karma is the momentum built by all the other actions taken that go in a specific way and tend to make following actions go in a similar direction. It is NOT some sort of retributive justice as some seem to imagine.
Who's been the best President of the United States in your lifetime?
JeffMesser comments on Apr 9, 2018:
I would say Clinton except he is a dirty draft dodger.
What is the one creature, snake, spider, rodent, bat, etc, that creeps you out the most?
JeffMesser comments on Apr 9, 2018:
Republicans
Is Buddhism a religion?
JeffMesser comments on Apr 8, 2018:
No. it's not a religion. It's a discipline.
Tell me something about your town/village/area. I am from the UK, I have visited the USA once and I ...
JeffMesser comments on Apr 8, 2018:
I live in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. This city itself has like 700,000 peeps and if you include suburbs the OKC metro area has like 1.1 million people. Think of a place that has nothing going on. Neither flora nor fauna. No entertainment. Nothing to do. Now add 1 million people. Thats OKC.
What is your favorite place to eat that is not fast food?
JeffMesser comments on Apr 8, 2018:
Any one of numerous little diners/dives around Oklahoma that has perfected their own technique for making the best chicken fried steak with pan cream gravy, smashed taters, and a roll or three. It annoys me how so many places neglect the roll.
My $10 Logitech wireless mouse SUCKS! I just bought a better wireless mouse on Amazon for $24.
JeffMesser comments on Apr 6, 2018:
I have been using this mouse since the early 90's. Apparently I wasn't the only one who became addicted to them as Logitech still makes them.
So...I’ve been dating a Christian woman. She is perfectly aware of my stance on the supernatural ...
JeffMesser comments on Apr 5, 2018:
does she put out?
Do you love to hike?
JeffMesser comments on Apr 4, 2018:
I like to hike up my leg.
What is better than sex?
JeffMesser comments on Apr 4, 2018:
To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!
What's a phrase you vehemently despise?
JeffMesser comments on Apr 3, 2018:
"have a blessed day".
How do you guys rest/relax your brain when tired?
JeffMesser comments on Apr 3, 2018:
tibetan humming bowl tone while watching computer fractals.
What's the best bit of advice you've ever been given?
JeffMesser comments on Apr 2, 2018:
"If your beliefs exclude anyone ... you need better beliefs."
How do you feel about the person you're dating talking about their ex?
JeffMesser comments on Apr 1, 2018:
well as long as I am the one getting the sex it's ok. I'd rather we talk about him and she bangs me than talk about me and she bangs him.
Does anyone else on this site seriously think about, or actually does, live full-time in a RV, ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 31, 2018:
I would do it in a heartbeat. Ive thought about converting one of those mini-buses.
What weird food combinations do you enjoy?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 30, 2018:
well let's see ... at this very moment I am eating KFC cole slaw with 4 arby's horsey sauce packets and a crumbled up KFC biscuit inside. It's one of my favorites.
Do you celebrate "Easter"? If so how, if not do you recognize this day in any other way? Me: I ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 30, 2018:
btw - churchies HATE it when you call them pagans for celebrating easter. It is a pagan fertility celebration that was hijacked when Constantine defeated the Romans. Thats why there is a rabbit and eggs ...then they said "and dedicate it somehow to christianity".
Do you celebrate "Easter"? If so how, if not do you recognize this day in any other way? Me: I ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 30, 2018:
I eat rabbit stew and chocolate pie.
Parents out there.What do your children identify as with religion or anti-religion? Just curious. My...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 29, 2018:
I am a horrible father. All 4 of mine are southern baptists who attend church regularly. I am the only Buddhist.
Purpose
JeffMesser comments on Mar 28, 2018:
I believe our actual purpose is to keep mankind pointed in the right direction as we steer through this twisty path of diversity towards the inevitable homogenization. Once there we can start to develop collective consciousness and evolve. In the grand scheme their silly beliefs mean little. But in the minute details they cause a rather bumpy ride. Sometimes that ride outweighs the good it allows for in terms of social conduct. Sometimes it doesn't. It's up to them. But don't push the fish.
I find myself using the expression, “Thank God!” in a pretty regular manner. I have tried to say...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 28, 2018:
it's a phase. It passes.
What's the biggest benefit to dating you?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 28, 2018:
social status
If you were a trip advisor for where you live, what would you highlight as the best attractions in ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 28, 2018:
What OKC needs is a place where people can hang out, get high, and play dominos. This place should also have a nacho bar. Make it so number 1.
Change of pace request! What is your most favorite childhood memory??? Or one of your favorties?? ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 28, 2018:
I remember living in some apartments in Odessa Tx back in like 72 or 73. I had one of those Evel Knievel stunt bikes that you rev up and let go. We'd climb on top of the roof and launch the bike off the roof via a ramp ... and had made parachutes for Knievel's action figure to glide down safely. It was a great time to be a kid.
Do you think it's easier for women to come out as bisexual?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 27, 2018:
it's certainly more interesting.
What it something that is oddly satisfying to you?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 27, 2018:
you get one of those artery destroying fish planks at LJS and pick up some steamed white rice from whatever chinese food place is open. take it home and fashion one bed of rice for one fish plank. Pour a dose of malt vinegar on it and enjoy. it's most delicious this way.
Do you talk to yourself?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 26, 2018:
yes. all secular types do.
Are you attracted to people who are just comfortable being themselves from the start?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 26, 2018:
dont think. just be.
Aphantasia. Anyone else here have aphantasia? Or alternatively hyperphantasia? Aphantasia is the ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 25, 2018:
I was gonna ask if there's an opposite to it because my head makes everything into movies or graphs.
What do you say?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 25, 2018:
some ignorant humans thought a sneeze was the soul leaving the body and it supposedly couldnt return unless the body was first cleansed with a blessing. i usually say bless you and offer that story
Have you ever had a frenemy?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 25, 2018:
I had one in junior high in Enid. this girl named stacy was my bitter enemy drawing my ire all the time on the bus and at school. then one day she gave me a card and tried to kiss me! I had all the emotional maturity of an infant so I screwedd that good deal all up. She was a stunning beauty too.
What is the most painful thing you’ve endured? Me: Emergency appendectomy - my life was a ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 24, 2018:
bowel obstruction with necrotic intestinal tissue that had to be resectioned. it hurt so bad I was guiding the gastric nasal tube down my throat myself to get relief.
God hates porn?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 24, 2018:
Really? because adult male otters will steal baby harbour seal pups and rape them until they die.
How to explain what an atheist is to children?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 23, 2018:
Bring it up now and you'll be the monster. Bring it up in their teens amd you'll be the cool aunt.
I was 12 the day I stopped believing. I was 15 when I told my parents. I was 19 when I was forced...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 23, 2018:
you will read the vedas.
Kick start...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 21, 2018:
I watch a puppy video on youtube.
Good morning!
JeffMesser comments on Mar 21, 2018:
this is where I find happiness.
Hi Everyone. I have just joined this group and I am not sure it is the right place for me. I seems...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 20, 2018:
I am baroque most of the month and the music that being poor makes me listen to is the blues. when I get some money I listen to pink floyd and queen and talking heads.
Diversity training let the controversy begin
JeffMesser comments on Mar 20, 2018:
the only thing that will ever actually cure our diversity ills will be homogenization. being suspect of things that are different is the very nature of our mind. we will never completely educate our way over that hump. the trick is to not destroy ourselves before that happens. Truth is I suspect at some point our population will dwindle to a much smaller size and many of these diversity issues and such will disappear for more pressing concerns.
Make Believe
JeffMesser comments on Mar 20, 2018:
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This is the single most important question
JeffMesser comments on Mar 20, 2018:
Sigma nu
Do we ever really, "settle down"?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 20, 2018:
I have.
I don't think I've ever made a post before. I have responded to a bunch. One think I do is write ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 19, 2018:
Post something really personal and it will help you loosen up. Here, I will go first ... I suffer from a narrow urethra and my son Bobby is a bit of an embarrassment.
I had the most mind blowing lucid dream last night. Only the second in my life. I woke up so happy ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 19, 2018:
Most of my dreams that I remember are flying dreams. I have those quite a bit I guess. The coolest thing about my flying dreams is I just know how. I mean when I wake up I still do and it takes me a bit to remember that I can't. It's like reading Seagull.
Why did your marriage fail?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 17, 2018:
Because I didnt know what was required.
What kind of post do you like to see most on this site?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 17, 2018:
I like the ones where people try to define the universe.
Early Humans Slept Around with More than Just Neanderthals
JeffMesser comments on Mar 17, 2018:
I find this research to be absolutely fascinating. I believe the differences that gave us the edge over both denisovan and neandertal (the ability to articulate) also led to our hyperjump in mental evolution and an encephalization rate of over 7.5%. Being able to relate our knowledge and carry it forward to later generations made us into modern human beings. It allowed us to change from hunter-gatherers to farmers, settle into societies, and adjust to our enviorment instead of moving with the seasons.
In my opinion, the only reason that people fear death is the religious hellfire and damnation myth....
JeffMesser comments on Mar 16, 2018:
I have spoken to so many of them who are truly terrified. Usually I ask them "Remember how bored you were before you were born?" and then I see if they catch on.
Buddhism Don't know if this should be in a different category, but I don't think it matters. ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 16, 2018:
I ran the gamut from Southern Baptist to agnostic to atheist to anti-theist to Buddhist to Vedic sage. What I learned is if you label me then you minimize me. I no longer have any need for supreme beings to give me assurance. The balance of the universe is my security. It's necessary in this context to offer a warning aout the knee-jerk immediate refusal to acknowledge anything that seems to be a god or deity. Often the being one might call a god or a deity is no more than the personification of a concept. This was a necessity for telling stories to carry the religious ceremonies from northern and western europe to the Indus valley by the aryans. Instead of saying "Jaeed crossed the great river and ate some fruit to quell his hunger" the story-teller would say "Jaeed snuck past the sleeping river and slayed the dragon Ungar - who would still arise the next evening". This is where most of the "gods" of the vedas come from. It was a necessity to embellish stories as memory aids until sanskrit was developed to document the same. Thats not the case in every instance ... but it is for many.
When did you realize you were old? Me: When I would rather stay in on the weekends than going ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 16, 2018:
I woke up with a sleep injury. HOW do you injure yourself sleeping???
Dog or cat?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 16, 2018:
Doggy
Atheism and psychedelics
JeffMesser comments on Mar 16, 2018:
First of all shrooms are the safest of all drugs of nature. Safer than marijuana even. And I have most certainly heard that their use is beneficial for many reasons mentally. My experience with them was brief and nondescript - but also in the 80's. So I plan on retracing that route soon.
I have learned that rejection is just another lesson in life. I never doubt myself. How have you ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 15, 2018:
The Buddha taught that while we wish to be rid of suffering, that suffering also guides and motivates us. The way to truly be rid of it is to seek being rid of all attachment.
I am somewhere left of Marx and Leinien in my politics. That being said, I am happy to govern from ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 15, 2018:
I believe in socialism but not scientific socialism. I am very tired of socialism being used as a bad word when we use socialist policies in this country daily and have for hundreds of years.
This last weekend I went back home to bury a very close family friend. She died because of drugs. It...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
Meh. funerals are for the people who are still here. if it's YOU who needs to speak out about what your friend meant to you then I'd suggest a group or a donation to charity or an editorial letter. Let her grieving family find whatever comfort they may in the religion of their choosing. thats the best karma anyway man.
A Bunch of Religious People Think Stephen Hawking Is Currently Burning in Hell – Friendly Atheist
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
The ability to move beyond this infantile need for the security of a "god" figure is part of the hurdle set we must negotiate to evolve. just pity those who cannot do so yet.
Atheists can 'go to hell,' says Sedgwick County commissioner | The Wichita Eagle
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
Meh. since I genuninely don't believe in hell that really doesnt matter much to me. I am past the militancy phase of all this. There's no conflict if you don't care enough to engage.
What do you think of parody or mock religions? Have you or would you join one?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
I did dudeism and fsm. It was just a joke. Would I ever? I am always up to conversing religious fundamentals with others. I think most of them come from the same source anyway - man, not myth. I am up to hearing new notions if any exist. Ive heard some good stuff.
How does having power change a person? Does it corrupt?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
It corrupts if they want it. those that eschew it are the least likely to abuse it.
A good, short read that this community reminded me of and one that I would share with anyone who ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
There is a biological component to empathy and the golden rule. as such their moral code is in their DNA.
Amen...Do you say it? If not, what do you use instead. It has never been a word I use. I ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
If I'm pretending to be a churchie or am telling a joke I will say it. otherwise no way.
What's the one thing you tried but will never do again?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
2 women. I just can't do it now.
AdvIce to polItIcIans from above
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
Tots and pears
Would you allow your child to be given a christian baptism because it is important to your partner's...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
Yeah. it won't hurt anything.
Why would you ask?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
I hear that crap all the time too. It's a way for them to straddle the fence without committing. I consider it to be cowardice by those who can't get past pascal's wager.
Why do we label everything?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
It's how our mind works. it's not necessarily a conscious decision.
Re: The National Student Walkout I am truly heartened to see so many thousands of kids exercising...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
The ones who walked out for a friendly 17 minutes that was agreed upon by their schools get NO support from me. Thats pathetic. You don't ask for permission to demonstrate - thats the whole point. It's supposed to cause problems and not be agreed upon by the man. pansies.
Unavailable posts?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
Thanks guys. I was worried it was just me!
I recently heard that the Koch brothers (with a big assist from Pence) are trying to call for a ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
Meh. sounds like more knee-jerking.
Pope's Comments - A Reality Check There are a lot of people, including some here, who quote ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
I don't refer to him as some paragon of progressiveness ... but ANY move towards greater inclusion is going to receive my praise. It doesn't all happen at once. It's incremental. Like Finlandization. Don't poo poo anything short of perfection.
What's the best live performance you've ever seen?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
Back in the 80's I saw the Violent Femmes at the Bowery in OKC. It was after they put out their first album. A friend and I hung out with them a bit after and I met Gordon. I was hooked. They were excellent and I saw them many times after that.
What are your best comebacks/quips when someone asks a question or makes a statement that is just a ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
I don't put any weight into things people say about me. It makes these responses unnecessary.
I struggle to find my place on earth, my purpose for being. I’ve struggled with this since I was ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 14, 2018:
I don't believe in any god. I do believe that all this god talk is nothing more than a personification of the universe. Thus, god is everything and everything is god. blah blah blah. The biggest problem we as humans have is understanding things because of our limitations regarding linear time. I consider this our barrier to get over. How? Evolve past beings who live in 3D and perceive in 2. The next dimensional barrier will allow us to shift between time frames and live in any one of them once we overcome it. We will also perceive things in 3D thus we see the whole at once (tesseract) vice a 2D representation with cues for the 3rd. This will allow us to actually perceive our end purpose or goal - albeit admittedly when such a perception is no longer necessary. So I consider it our goal to strive towards that evolution. IF we are to ever be the creatures that meet it we must get past all these petty problems that impede current progress. The base of these is insecurity and fear over differences - which is cured by education and homogenization. Thus I spend MY life trying to promote those. In me, the people around me, my progeny, while also NOT contributing to a barrier to these things. We have eons of development and advancement to go. All we can do is be like ants and extend a bridge with our lives for all the others.
With or without music during sex?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 13, 2018:
My ex always wanted some Prince or some such. Then she told me to put on some sex music once so I put this on ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ
What's the best live performance you've ever seen?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 13, 2018:
Every time my ex said "I love you". lying hag.
As an atheist, I think Homosexuality should not come into mainstream. What's your take ?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 13, 2018:
Why are you trying to press your morals here? What are your morals even based on if you are on an agnostic/atheist site? Why does it have to be normal or not? What if it's purely choice?? I find this whole discussion deplorable. If I want to sleep with men, women, or donkeys it's none of your business unless I am hurting you. Leave Frank N. Furter alone.
Test your social intelligence
JeffMesser comments on Mar 13, 2018:
I got a rock. 20.
Custody hearing over atheism
JeffMesser comments on Mar 13, 2018:
They are just now passing a law like that in Oklahoma. Before you had to prove it as causing some specific harm - judges would grant on those grounds but it's harder to show. Now they'll just have to show the difference in beliefs or lack thereof. As an attorney who represented many family-law clients and a leftie I find this outrageous. It should obviously be a Constitutional issue. But as a human and a father and an attorney who ran away from family law with my sanity intact - I hafta say I almost agree with them. You see how easy it is churchies to live their hypocritical lives? Most of them never even consider the cognitive dissonance involved between their belief system and their conservative politics. The ones that do durely need to hear all sides. But I don't know that I'd wanna force that life of mental gymnastics upon people who really don't have to go there. Three out of four of my kids are perfectly happy living their little pseudo-christian lives with 2.3 kids and a mortgage. They rarely think about religion beyond sunday and wednesday night and they're good people. It's secure and sedate and makes them happy. The 4th is like I was. She needed to see further into the rabbit hole. I think this might be the better path if you want your kids to be happy. Only expose those who want it.
As an aspiring filmmaker, if I had to pick one thing that is most difficult about this career path ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 13, 2018:
I dig the stories of the little filmmakers who tied a shoe-string budget together with loans and credit cards to make a really solid film. Watch Robert Townsend's "Hollywood Shuffle". Now check out how big all those names are of the people he rounded up for that film. Also "Amazon Women on the Moon" with Donald "No Soul" Simmons.
Is what you do professionally now, what you wanted to do when you were growing up? Is what you are ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 13, 2018:
Wanted to be a lawyer in high school. Sidetracked in the military for a bit as a nuclear engineer, then off to law school. Now a lawyer but my whole line of reasoning has changed. Then I wanted it to do trials ... now I use it to help others.
"the Lifestyle", polyamory, hedonism, promiscuity: distinctions? And... GO!
JeffMesser comments on Mar 13, 2018:
Asexual
Why do people hide their feeling/emotion? How do you let emotion out?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 13, 2018:
Insecurity. they feel insecure so they tend not to let others in for fear they will be harmed.
As atheists, how do you feel about fidelity, within a marriage or a long-term relationship? I've ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 13, 2018:
Fidelity is a matter of respecting your partner and has nothing to do with beliefs
What makes a person "intelligent?"
JeffMesser comments on Mar 13, 2018:
You know a bunch of cool stuff that's interesting to talk about while high
Petition for a Billy Graham Federal Holiday
JeffMesser comments on Mar 12, 2018:
Yet another horrible idea from a country full of dumbasses.
What is the end goal of human existence in your opinion?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 12, 2018:
To shred the drape of these mortal coils that bind me thus turning me loose upon time
Happiness
JeffMesser comments on Mar 12, 2018:
Ha! she said -piness
Happiness
JeffMesser comments on Mar 12, 2018:
Ha! she said -piness
What was the worst sacreligious joke you’ve made? & how did people react?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 12, 2018:
This one
Favorite atheist activist/YouTuber?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 12, 2018:
Atheist is a transitory stage. if you remain there then you're not growing.
My fellow American atheists, how do you see Europe ?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 12, 2018:
By rail usually.
Do you want to get married? (No, that’s not a proposal. &128541) And why or why not?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 12, 2018:
No. I am old and set in my ways. Plus I learned my lesson from one marriage already.
I have seen SO MANY posts on social media from people asking for thoughts, prayers, etc...when they ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 12, 2018:
I step back and gain perspective.
Can friends become lover?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 12, 2018:
I guess they can if they embrace and are then run over by a steamroller so they are squished into one
What are your best coping strategies for dealing with death?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 11, 2018:
Me = consciousness + this body and memories and mind and expeirnces and influences (Kauva). When this body passes parts of it will still carry on. Memories of it and influences (karmic resultants). Consciousness will still be around as it is always around. The "Kauva" vessel and filter will will just no longer be used by it.
What are the three worst things about America?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 11, 2018:
1. capitalism - it inherently contradicts the whole "everyone is equal" premise 2. evangelicals 3. war mentality
March Madness is here. Are you going to watch the NCAA tournament and which team are you cheering?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 11, 2018:
Of course. the ncaa tournament is the greatest event in sports. my normal team to root for is OU (Univ of Oklahoma) but I don't think I could stand to watch them even if they make it so I will be cheering for all the Big-12 teams.
If you could construct your own set of "Commandments" for humankind, what would they be?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 10, 2018:
1. some variation of the golden rule 2, it's not all about you
What love language do you speak? For myself, it's acts of service-- tied with quality time.
JeffMesser comments on Mar 10, 2018:
Pig latin
A good read as to the history of god worship by human kind. The Anunnaki Chronicles by Zecharia ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 10, 2018:
Blech.

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