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I had a visitor today. Isn't he a beauty?
JeffMesser comments on May 1, 2019:
she IS pretty! what a beautiful snake. love those eyes too. are they aggressive?
JeffMesser replies on May 1, 2019:
@Heidi68 I didnt figure she was venomous. but that doesn't mean she doesn't bite. these bull snakes will get after ya and some of those garters will too. bulls eat rattlers I believe.
JeffMesser comments on May 1, 2019:
she IS pretty! what a beautiful snake. love those eyes too. are they aggressive?
JeffMesser replies on May 1, 2019:
@Heidi68 I didnt figure she was venomous. but that doesn't mean she doesn't bite. these bull snakes will get after ya and some of those garters will too. bulls eat rattlers I believe.
I've been tasked to teach Social Studies in Summer School this year.
JeffMesser comments on Apr 21, 2019:
then teach them man's true social history. show the migration of the various hominids from africa and what/who they became ... then how that changed at the end of our last ice age and how those hunter/farmers changed man socially. Then tie in communities and gods and religion and other fictions for ...
JeffMesser replies on Apr 21, 2019:
@t1nick no. not that extreme. but I do believe that we are discovering that the denisovans had some genetic variances (noted in malaysian divers and tibetan sherpas) and may uncover more. I just find it fascinating because the homo erectus that fled africa and eventually populated coastal china branched off prior to homo heidelbergensis which makes it different genetically than homo neandertalis and homo sapien both. we've seen the difference this meant in florensis (hobbit man). I just wonder if some of those ancient tales of chinese lore might have been borne from actual hominids that existed from that line.
JeffMesser comments on Apr 21, 2019:
then teach them man's true social history. show the migration of the various hominids from africa and what/who they became ... then how that changed at the end of our last ice age and how those hunter/farmers changed man socially. Then tie in communities and gods and religion and other fictions for ...
JeffMesser replies on Apr 21, 2019:
@t1nick no. not that extreme. but I do believe that we are discovering that the denisovans had some genetic variances (noted in malaysian divers and tibetan sherpas) and may uncover more. I just find it fascinating because the homo erectus that fled africa and eventually populated coastal china branched off prior to homo heidelbergensis which makes it different genetically than homo neandertalis and homo sapien both. we've seen the difference this meant in florensis (hobbit man). I just wonder if some of those ancient tales of chinese lore might have been borne from actual hominids that existed from that line.
I've been tasked to teach Social Studies in Summer School this year.
JeffMesser comments on Apr 21, 2019:
then teach them man's true social history. show the migration of the various hominids from africa and what/who they became ... then how that changed at the end of our last ice age and how those hunter/farmers changed man socially. Then tie in communities and gods and religion and other fictions for ...
JeffMesser replies on Apr 21, 2019:
@t1nick check out the size of the last 2 denisovan molars. they were rather large beings.
JeffMesser comments on Apr 21, 2019:
then teach them man's true social history. show the migration of the various hominids from africa and what/who they became ... then how that changed at the end of our last ice age and how those hunter/farmers changed man socially. Then tie in communities and gods and religion and other fictions for ...
JeffMesser replies on Apr 21, 2019:
@t1nick check out the size of the last 2 denisovan molars. they were rather large beings.
I've been tasked to teach Social Studies in Summer School this year.
JeffMesser comments on Apr 21, 2019:
then teach them man's true social history. show the migration of the various hominids from africa and what/who they became ... then how that changed at the end of our last ice age and how those hunter/farmers changed man socially. Then tie in communities and gods and religion and other fictions for ...
JeffMesser replies on Apr 21, 2019:
@t1nick I play this game called "follow the Book of Enoch". very enlightening. I wish some teacher had the insight to tell me about homo erectus fleeing africa before homo heidelbergensis and the denisovans possible physical traits as giants with white skin and red hair or even the superarchaic mDNA along coastal china.
JeffMesser comments on Apr 21, 2019:
then teach them man's true social history. show the migration of the various hominids from africa and what/who they became ... then how that changed at the end of our last ice age and how those hunter/farmers changed man socially. Then tie in communities and gods and religion and other fictions for ...
JeffMesser replies on Apr 21, 2019:
@t1nick I play this game called "follow the Book of Enoch". very enlightening. I wish some teacher had the insight to tell me about homo erectus fleeing africa before homo heidelbergensis and the denisovans possible physical traits as giants with white skin and red hair or even the superarchaic mDNA along coastal china.
Yet another branch of the human tree, found in a cave on Luzon, Philippines.
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t1nick comments on Apr 10, 2019:
Islands have a tendency to cause mammal species to become smaller. Fewer resources, so its evolutionarily advantageous to become smaller. Humans are subject to evolutionary principles, may explain the smaller size.
Example: minature mammoth on islands off California coast. (Catalina Is.).
JeffMesser replies on Apr 10, 2019:
thats the explanation they always use for homo florensis. they had the javanese rhino and elephant which were both minis to point to for recent examples and the cave florensis was found within had a bunch of mini-elephant bones.
t1nick comments on Apr 10, 2019:
Islands have a tendency to cause mammal species to become smaller. Fewer resources, so its evolutionarily advantageous to become smaller. Humans are subject to evolutionary principles, may explain the smaller size.
Example: minature mammoth on islands off California coast. (Catalina Is.).
JeffMesser replies on Apr 10, 2019:
thats the explanation they always use for homo florensis. they had the javanese rhino and elephant which were both minis to point to for recent examples and the cave florensis was found within had a bunch of mini-elephant bones.
In the last several days, I've heard a man yelling loudly at someone else in an apartment down the ...
JeffMesser comments on Apr 5, 2019:
call the police and file a report of excessive noise for disturbance of the peace. this will make them knock on the door AND can be used as a hit for future calls.
JeffMesser replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@Quarm nope. I've been a criminal defense attorney for close to 30 years and have handled hundreds of domestic abuse cases. the best thing is to call the police. creates a record and makes sure that door gets knocked on by them. these are vital down the line.
JeffMesser comments on Apr 5, 2019:
call the police and file a report of excessive noise for disturbance of the peace. this will make them knock on the door AND can be used as a hit for future calls.
JeffMesser replies on Apr 5, 2019:
@Quarm nope. I've been a criminal defense attorney for close to 30 years and have handled hundreds of domestic abuse cases. the best thing is to call the police. creates a record and makes sure that door gets knocked on by them. these are vital down the line.
Serious question today for the Debaters.
LimitedLight comments on Apr 1, 2019:
Maybe less draconian, though still neoliberal stances?
JeffMesser replies on Apr 1, 2019:
the right doesn't understand "draconian"
LimitedLight comments on Apr 1, 2019:
Maybe less draconian, though still neoliberal stances?
JeffMesser replies on Apr 1, 2019:
the right doesn't understand "draconian"
I remember when I was young their was a popular belief that technology would make it possible for ...
JeffMesser comments on Mar 23, 2019:
that "popular belief" was based on a rather errant assumption - that demand would stay constant with no tech improvement demand. very errant.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 23, 2019:
@Rudy1962 no no it's cool. if you're making product A and it takes 40 hrs per week at X amount of technology then they say increasing the tech can knock time off of production. so you're trying to decrease the variable as time for production and you're assuming demand is constant. but what really happens is that 40 hrs is a sunk cost unless you're gonna cut employees so your improvements will result in bonuses to profit, infrastructure, and product quality. quality doesn't ratchet. once you jack that up there's no going back. And if that increases demand as it should then you have an additional drag on labor again despite the tech advance. It happens all the time in business empirically. Unless you're retooling a line you divide up those savings among profit and R&D and process costs. You'll often see a company saying they are giving bonuses vice making improvements because improvements cost even more money down the line.
JeffMesser comments on Mar 23, 2019:
that "popular belief" was based on a rather errant assumption - that demand would stay constant with no tech improvement demand. very errant.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 23, 2019:
@Rudy1962 no no it's cool. if you're making product A and it takes 40 hrs per week at X amount of technology then they say increasing the tech can knock time off of production. so you're trying to decrease the variable as time for production and you're assuming demand is constant. but what really happens is that 40 hrs is a sunk cost unless you're gonna cut employees so your improvements will result in bonuses to profit, infrastructure, and product quality. quality doesn't ratchet. once you jack that up there's no going back. And if that increases demand as it should then you have an additional drag on labor again despite the tech advance. It happens all the time in business empirically. Unless you're retooling a line you divide up those savings among profit and R&D and process costs. You'll often see a company saying they are giving bonuses vice making improvements because improvements cost even more money down the line.
Ann Coulter admits that NOONE likes her
Namaste comments on Mar 12, 2019:
She must be such a miserable human being. I almost feel sorry for her.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 12, 2019:
agreed. how incredibly isolated and alone. that demeanor works when you're young and it can be a driver. but when you get older you're looking to slow it down. that will be trying.
Namaste comments on Mar 12, 2019:
She must be such a miserable human being. I almost feel sorry for her.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 12, 2019:
agreed. how incredibly isolated and alone. that demeanor works when you're young and it can be a driver. but when you get older you're looking to slow it down. that will be trying.
Thought I might show you something from my stone pickings in my fields, I know what it is, do you?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 8, 2019:
I'm gonna guess it's a rock?
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
@HeathenFarmer culturally? hmmmm ... is it a sedimentary rock formed from all the canadians screaming obscenities and ill-will into a large bag then tamping it down ... thus relieving them of all negative feelings?
JeffMesser comments on Mar 8, 2019:
I'm gonna guess it's a rock?
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
@HeathenFarmer culturally? hmmmm ... is it a sedimentary rock formed from all the canadians screaming obscenities and ill-will into a large bag then tamping it down ... thus relieving them of all negative feelings?
Having trouble reconciling the ignorance of the right?
Elganned comments on Mar 8, 2019:
I've read several of Haidt's books. I highly recommend *The Righteous Mind*.
He reinforces a view that I've harbored for years but couldn't articulate nearly as well, namely that we all acknowledge the same problems and care about the same things, but people assign the priorities differently.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
and I started reading "The Righteous Mind" today.
Elganned comments on Mar 8, 2019:
I've read several of Haidt's books. I highly recommend *The Righteous Mind*.
He reinforces a view that I've harbored for years but couldn't articulate nearly as well, namely that we all acknowledge the same problems and care about the same things, but people assign the priorities differently.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
and I started reading "The Righteous Mind" today.
Having trouble reconciling the ignorance of the right?
Kodiamus comments on Mar 7, 2019:
I will watch because I am having the same trouble. Family and friends voted for trump and it boggles my mind!!!! ????
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
@Kodiamus understood completely man. he's a cancer.
Kodiamus comments on Mar 7, 2019:
I will watch because I am having the same trouble. Family and friends voted for trump and it boggles my mind!!!! ????
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
@Kodiamus understood completely man. he's a cancer.
Having trouble reconciling the ignorance of the right?
Elganned comments on Mar 8, 2019:
I've read several of Haidt's books. I highly recommend *The Righteous Mind*.
He reinforces a view that I've harbored for years but couldn't articulate nearly as well, namely that we all acknowledge the same problems and care about the same things, but people assign the priorities differently.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
I am really stoked about Haidt's views on morality. agreed.
Elganned comments on Mar 8, 2019:
I've read several of Haidt's books. I highly recommend *The Righteous Mind*.
He reinforces a view that I've harbored for years but couldn't articulate nearly as well, namely that we all acknowledge the same problems and care about the same things, but people assign the priorities differently.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
I am really stoked about Haidt's views on morality. agreed.
Having trouble reconciling the ignorance of the right?
Kodiamus comments on Mar 7, 2019:
I will watch because I am having the same trouble. Family and friends voted for trump and it boggles my mind!!!! ????
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
please tell me if this helps because I really got a lot out of it and by reading up and watching up further on haidt.
Kodiamus comments on Mar 7, 2019:
I will watch because I am having the same trouble. Family and friends voted for trump and it boggles my mind!!!! ????
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
please tell me if this helps because I really got a lot out of it and by reading up and watching up further on haidt.
Having trouble reconciling the ignorance of the right?
Kodiamus comments on Mar 7, 2019:
I will watch because I am having the same trouble. Family and friends voted for trump and it boggles my mind!!!! ????
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
trust me man you're not alone.
Kodiamus comments on Mar 7, 2019:
I will watch because I am having the same trouble. Family and friends voted for trump and it boggles my mind!!!! ????
JeffMesser replies on Mar 8, 2019:
trust me man you're not alone.
Sometimes it's just not enough to be a dick.
RiverRick comments on Mar 5, 2019:
Just sometimes?
One of my favorite lines off of M*A*S*H* is when Hawkeye tells Frank, "You invite abuse... it would be impolite not to accept it!"
JeffMesser replies on Mar 5, 2019:
I miss MASH and BF Pierce ... aggravated doc surge.
RiverRick comments on Mar 5, 2019:
Just sometimes?
One of my favorite lines off of M*A*S*H* is when Hawkeye tells Frank, "You invite abuse... it would be impolite not to accept it!"
JeffMesser replies on Mar 5, 2019:
I miss MASH and BF Pierce ... aggravated doc surge.
Racism - social problems are escalating world wide regarding refugees & immigrants.
brentan comments on Mar 5, 2019:
In Ireland, the worry some have is that the culture is dying through immigration. It's a valid concern but i try to look at it from a historical perspective where new people came into the country periodically and made the culture what it is now.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 5, 2019:
Look ... no offense to you intended but what point is there to preserving a culture? Why do people have this fascination with living in the past? Move into the future daily. Our species doesn't advance by just sitting still. The world, heck the universe, is constantly changing and we must change to adapt. Don't we see how idiotic it is to deny climate change?? Preserving your culture is for textbooks and museums. In real life we advance it.
brentan comments on Mar 5, 2019:
In Ireland, the worry some have is that the culture is dying through immigration. It's a valid concern but i try to look at it from a historical perspective where new people came into the country periodically and made the culture what it is now.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 5, 2019:
Look ... no offense to you intended but what point is there to preserving a culture? Why do people have this fascination with living in the past? Move into the future daily. Our species doesn't advance by just sitting still. The world, heck the universe, is constantly changing and we must change to adapt. Don't we see how idiotic it is to deny climate change?? Preserving your culture is for textbooks and museums. In real life we advance it.
A few weeks ago I asked what are your favorite musicals.
JeffMesser comments on Mar 2, 2019:
BBB and Grease 2? are you just trying to stab me in the heart???
Dude, it's fricking Paul Lynde!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wCXr_6wgns
and ann margaret!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sPU3ymk2ms
and tab hunter!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwM0SPJ9Gj0
ax goose!!
JeffMesser replies on Mar 2, 2019:
@bleurowz my youngest was in BBB at the lyric theater in OKC and I've seen a ton of schools put it on. I love seeing each version of telephone hour and honestly sincere.
grease 2 is more of an acquired taste I guess.
JeffMesser comments on Mar 2, 2019:
BBB and Grease 2? are you just trying to stab me in the heart???
Dude, it's fricking Paul Lynde!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wCXr_6wgns
and ann margaret!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sPU3ymk2ms
and tab hunter!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwM0SPJ9Gj0
ax goose!!
JeffMesser replies on Mar 2, 2019:
@bleurowz my youngest was in BBB at the lyric theater in OKC and I've seen a ton of schools put it on. I love seeing each version of telephone hour and honestly sincere.
grease 2 is more of an acquired taste I guess.
What is your favourite number and why?
Marcel3405 comments on Feb 21, 2019:
Mmmh. Dunno. 13 is supposed to unlucky. I like 41.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 2, 2019:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo not 41. That is the WORST number. Nuclear engineers aboard the old USS Arkansas (CGN-41) find that particular number to be full of misery. My life fell apart at 41. Ben-Hur was #41 in the galley crew. it's a bad number.
Marcel3405 comments on Feb 21, 2019:
Mmmh. Dunno. 13 is supposed to unlucky. I like 41.
JeffMesser replies on Mar 2, 2019:
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo not 41. That is the WORST number. Nuclear engineers aboard the old USS Arkansas (CGN-41) find that particular number to be full of misery. My life fell apart at 41. Ben-Hur was #41 in the galley crew. it's a bad number.
Do you wonder why the US is going to hell in a hand basket?
JeffMesser comments on Feb 28, 2019:
yeah, that bugs the sh!t outta me too. I was especially incensed when OU's coach got a hefty raise and they paid the new DC a ton of money while the University is in economic peril on the academic side. To ME I'd rather have a strong university academically vice in sports.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 28, 2019:
@mzbehavin oh yeah. Okies don't like having their sports questioned. My annual suggestions about endowing all the chairs with money from the athletic department are met with scowls.
JeffMesser comments on Feb 28, 2019:
yeah, that bugs the sh!t outta me too. I was especially incensed when OU's coach got a hefty raise and they paid the new DC a ton of money while the University is in economic peril on the academic side. To ME I'd rather have a strong university academically vice in sports.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 28, 2019:
@mzbehavin oh yeah. Okies don't like having their sports questioned. My annual suggestions about endowing all the chairs with money from the athletic department are met with scowls.
Is Nordic Model's economic and social policy, a social democracy system?
JeffMesser comments on Feb 26, 2019:
Well, you have to consider the individual cultures of the places first and foremost. In those nordic areas there is a prevailing cultural norm that prohibits extreme materialism and the type of gaudish that the west seems to admire. There it's referred to as the "law of jante" and it favors ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 26, 2019:
@slydr68 well I'm not a fan of capitalism.
JeffMesser comments on Feb 26, 2019:
Well, you have to consider the individual cultures of the places first and foremost. In those nordic areas there is a prevailing cultural norm that prohibits extreme materialism and the type of gaudish that the west seems to admire. There it's referred to as the "law of jante" and it favors ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 26, 2019:
@slydr68 well I'm not a fan of capitalism.
AMERICAN OPIOID CRISIS - How do you think the current crisis should be handled?
JeffMesser comments on Feb 24, 2019:
for the past 10+ years I have refused VA's opioids and used illegal marijuana instead. As of Friday my marijuana is now LEGAL since my card has been approved. I can buy it, possess it, and ingest it legally. I say this is the best start.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 24, 2019:
@darthfaja no, I can legally buy it.
JeffMesser comments on Feb 24, 2019:
for the past 10+ years I have refused VA's opioids and used illegal marijuana instead. As of Friday my marijuana is now LEGAL since my card has been approved. I can buy it, possess it, and ingest it legally. I say this is the best start.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 24, 2019:
@darthfaja no, I can legally buy it.
Today in "searching for the ultimate answer" news
John_Tyrrell comments on Feb 20, 2019:
Of course if one rejects dualism, one is no closer to finding some kind of "ultimate answer" -- if one even thinks there is such a thing as the ultimate answer.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 21, 2019:
@John_Tyrrell woo? do you know how insulting that is to someone who has been studying the tie between mind and body for 50 years? when I hear "woo" all it makes me think is that you're not open-minded enough to actually research new scientific advances. Heaven forbid everything not fit into your personal interpretation of science and physics. We DO make advancements you know.
John_Tyrrell comments on Feb 20, 2019:
Of course if one rejects dualism, one is no closer to finding some kind of "ultimate answer" -- if one even thinks there is such a thing as the ultimate answer.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 21, 2019:
@John_Tyrrell woo? do you know how insulting that is to someone who has been studying the tie between mind and body for 50 years? when I hear "woo" all it makes me think is that you're not open-minded enough to actually research new scientific advances. Heaven forbid everything not fit into your personal interpretation of science and physics. We DO make advancements you know.
Today in "searching for the ultimate answer" news
John_Tyrrell comments on Feb 20, 2019:
Of course if one rejects dualism, one is no closer to finding some kind of "ultimate answer" -- if one even thinks there is such a thing as the ultimate answer.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 20, 2019:
and why would one reject duality?
John_Tyrrell comments on Feb 20, 2019:
Of course if one rejects dualism, one is no closer to finding some kind of "ultimate answer" -- if one even thinks there is such a thing as the ultimate answer.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 20, 2019:
and why would one reject duality?
Bernie Sanders announces he's running for president 2020. What do you think?
JeffMesser comments on Feb 19, 2019:
I like the guy and agree with his message ... but he's not the one to beat agent orange. And eliminating that orange idiot has to be the top priority.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 20, 2019:
@boisebob62 Liz Warren or Kamala Harris
JeffMesser comments on Feb 19, 2019:
I like the guy and agree with his message ... but he's not the one to beat agent orange. And eliminating that orange idiot has to be the top priority.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 20, 2019:
@boisebob62 Liz Warren or Kamala Harris
Bernie Sanders announces he's running for president 2020. What do you think?
SleeplessInTexas comments on Feb 19, 2019:
He, and Uncle Joe Biden would make a perfect presidential duo! Jus' say'n... ❤
JeffMesser replies on Feb 19, 2019:
@darthfaja I keep saying she should run. She wont do it though. She doesn't want the job.
SleeplessInTexas comments on Feb 19, 2019:
He, and Uncle Joe Biden would make a perfect presidential duo! Jus' say'n... ❤
JeffMesser replies on Feb 19, 2019:
@darthfaja I keep saying she should run. She wont do it though. She doesn't want the job.
Where do you get your news from?
JeffMesser comments on Feb 18, 2019:
I follow this chart and pick my sources from the green box on top.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 18, 2019:
@Amisja nah. I stole it
JeffMesser comments on Feb 18, 2019:
I follow this chart and pick my sources from the green box on top.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 18, 2019:
@Amisja nah. I stole it
Where do you get your news from?
JeffMesser comments on Feb 18, 2019:
I follow this chart and pick my sources from the green box on top.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 18, 2019:
@Amisja maybe so if I was a euro, canadian, irish, or aussie.
JeffMesser comments on Feb 18, 2019:
I follow this chart and pick my sources from the green box on top.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 18, 2019:
@Amisja maybe so if I was a euro, canadian, irish, or aussie.
darn buddhists!!
Novelty comments on Feb 14, 2019:
Past life regression is not as difficult to understand as it sounds.
First of all there's no "one" of anybody, your mind has many identities all sharing the same name.
Some are Jungian Arch types, role models that we try to live up to.
When we dream we might meet strangers, also you, some are the...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 14, 2019:
no, I am talking about children in another country who remember when they were some dude in NYC 12 years ago who died in the hospital with his kids there and the stories all verify. There are too many examples of it to not be anything there.
Novelty comments on Feb 14, 2019:
Past life regression is not as difficult to understand as it sounds.
First of all there's no "one" of anybody, your mind has many identities all sharing the same name.
Some are Jungian Arch types, role models that we try to live up to.
When we dream we might meet strangers, also you, some are the...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 14, 2019:
no, I am talking about children in another country who remember when they were some dude in NYC 12 years ago who died in the hospital with his kids there and the stories all verify. There are too many examples of it to not be anything there.
darn buddhists!!
Beowulfsfriend comments on Feb 13, 2019:
Buddhist don't argue though.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 14, 2019:
uh yeah they do. they actually argued and debated quite a bit at the kopan monastery when I stayed there.
Beowulfsfriend comments on Feb 13, 2019:
Buddhist don't argue though.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 14, 2019:
uh yeah they do. they actually argued and debated quite a bit at the kopan monastery when I stayed there.
Grrrrr.... Don't get suckered in by this book!
DenoPenno comments on Feb 13, 2019:
The title of the book tells it all and it makes me wonder how it became known in the first place. As usual I would demand evidence.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 13, 2019:
it was written in the 1890's by a Russian on a subject few breach. it had to draw curiosity.
DenoPenno comments on Feb 13, 2019:
The title of the book tells it all and it makes me wonder how it became known in the first place. As usual I would demand evidence.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 13, 2019:
it was written in the 1890's by a Russian on a subject few breach. it had to draw curiosity.
Grrrrr.... Don't get suckered in by this book!
Carin comments on Feb 12, 2019:
I'd never heard that anyone thought he went to India. I wonder how many years that would have taken?
JeffMesser replies on Feb 12, 2019:
they had trade routes at the time of jesus' life. it wouldnt have been hard at all. the spice route and the silk route. he could have taken a caravan returning on the spice route then taken a boat south from yemen. Buddhism preceded jesus by a good 500 years. the 3 wise men were said by many to come from Buddhist lands.
Carin comments on Feb 12, 2019:
I'd never heard that anyone thought he went to India. I wonder how many years that would have taken?
JeffMesser replies on Feb 12, 2019:
they had trade routes at the time of jesus' life. it wouldnt have been hard at all. the spice route and the silk route. he could have taken a caravan returning on the spice route then taken a boat south from yemen. Buddhism preceded jesus by a good 500 years. the 3 wise men were said by many to come from Buddhist lands.
What would YOU tell her?
Beowulfsfriend comments on Feb 11, 2019:
The kid deserves better but they took him in. What kind of fucking parents are they? Sorry, I know they are family. And you were right, he is not a puppy, but I get pissed when people unprepared take in a puppy. Are they dumping their own kids? Is that the "xtion" way to act? And does being in ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 11, 2019:
@Beowulfsfriend She says the agency and orphanage are both closed now. The agency was "Adoption Advocates" from Washington state and the orphanage was "Layla orphanage" in Addis Ababa.
Beowulfsfriend comments on Feb 11, 2019:
The kid deserves better but they took him in. What kind of fucking parents are they? Sorry, I know they are family. And you were right, he is not a puppy, but I get pissed when people unprepared take in a puppy. Are they dumping their own kids? Is that the "xtion" way to act? And does being in ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 11, 2019:
@Beowulfsfriend She says the agency and orphanage are both closed now. The agency was "Adoption Advocates" from Washington state and the orphanage was "Layla orphanage" in Addis Ababa.
What would YOU tell her?
Beowulfsfriend comments on Feb 11, 2019:
The kid deserves better but they took him in. What kind of fucking parents are they? Sorry, I know they are family. And you were right, he is not a puppy, but I get pissed when people unprepared take in a puppy. Are they dumping their own kids? Is that the "xtion" way to act? And does being in ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 11, 2019:
@Beowulfsfriend I will see if I can find the name. It was thru some churchie agency that coordinated with the orphanage and the ethiopian gov't. in addis ababa
Beowulfsfriend comments on Feb 11, 2019:
The kid deserves better but they took him in. What kind of fucking parents are they? Sorry, I know they are family. And you were right, he is not a puppy, but I get pissed when people unprepared take in a puppy. Are they dumping their own kids? Is that the "xtion" way to act? And does being in ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 11, 2019:
@Beowulfsfriend I will see if I can find the name. It was thru some churchie agency that coordinated with the orphanage and the ethiopian gov't. in addis ababa
It's interesting to see all the new atheists
David1955 comments on Feb 10, 2019:
While it is an interesting journey you have described, I'm a little perplexed by two, to me, inconsistent statements. The first, antitheist in 2007, and the second that we're all, religionists and non believers alike, going to the same destination just different paths. And what is that common ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 10, 2019:
I WAS anti-theist. No longer. Thought I said that above. I don't doubt that the universal consciousness sounds like some sort of god. The ancient minds personified it and called it "god".
David1955 comments on Feb 10, 2019:
While it is an interesting journey you have described, I'm a little perplexed by two, to me, inconsistent statements. The first, antitheist in 2007, and the second that we're all, religionists and non believers alike, going to the same destination just different paths. And what is that common ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 10, 2019:
I WAS anti-theist. No longer. Thought I said that above. I don't doubt that the universal consciousness sounds like some sort of god. The ancient minds personified it and called it "god".
It's interesting to see all the new atheists
Novelty comments on Feb 10, 2019:
I'm not just off the path, I'm off the edge of the map.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 10, 2019:
dude, you're just blazing your own trail. there's no off this map.
Novelty comments on Feb 10, 2019:
I'm not just off the path, I'm off the edge of the map.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 10, 2019:
dude, you're just blazing your own trail. there's no off this map.
Why is it hard to prove whether or not the homo erectus theory for China is valid?
Fretherne1 comments on Feb 9, 2019:
I think hypothesis stage rather than theory
JeffMesser replies on Feb 9, 2019:
point taken. it's kind of weird because I see some state it as fact and others wont even consider it.
Fretherne1 comments on Feb 9, 2019:
I think hypothesis stage rather than theory
JeffMesser replies on Feb 9, 2019:
point taken. it's kind of weird because I see some state it as fact and others wont even consider it.
Summer is coming, time to get ready for the beach. This guy blew it.
Redheadedgammy comments on Feb 8, 2019:
my eyes, my eyes, why do people do this to themselves???????
JeffMesser replies on Feb 8, 2019:
because they don't care what you think maybe?
Redheadedgammy comments on Feb 8, 2019:
my eyes, my eyes, why do people do this to themselves???????
JeffMesser replies on Feb 8, 2019:
because they don't care what you think maybe?
Weed yes or no?
Lorajay comments on Feb 8, 2019:
Yes because it would probably help with pain and keep some people off opioids. It would also mean we could get tax money and guaranteed quality of product while cutting down on drug cartel profits. Interesting. Point is I have never had any desire to use it. I did try it for the first time at the ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 8, 2019:
@Lorajay I knew what you meant. just giving you a hard time! namaste
Lorajay comments on Feb 8, 2019:
Yes because it would probably help with pain and keep some people off opioids. It would also mean we could get tax money and guaranteed quality of product while cutting down on drug cartel profits. Interesting. Point is I have never had any desire to use it. I did try it for the first time at the ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 8, 2019:
@Lorajay I knew what you meant. just giving you a hard time! namaste
Weed yes or no?
Lorajay comments on Feb 8, 2019:
Yes because it would probably help with pain and keep some people off opioids. It would also mean we could get tax money and guaranteed quality of product while cutting down on drug cartel profits. Interesting. Point is I have never had any desire to use it. I did try it for the first time at the ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 8, 2019:
why would you lie and admit it? even if an interesting lie??
Lorajay comments on Feb 8, 2019:
Yes because it would probably help with pain and keep some people off opioids. It would also mean we could get tax money and guaranteed quality of product while cutting down on drug cartel profits. Interesting. Point is I have never had any desire to use it. I did try it for the first time at the ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 8, 2019:
why would you lie and admit it? even if an interesting lie??
Ties between the Isha upanishad and a unified field theory of physics?
Kodiamus comments on Feb 6, 2019:
Simply put, I agree whole heartedly. I like/agree with the Hindu Advaita Vedanta philosophy. Consciousness is an infinite ocean and we are but waves.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 6, 2019:
@Kodiamus you have to meditate. do some vipasanna. like I have room to talk ... my meditation practice sucks. but, I have had moments of enlightenment. when the nature of the universe hit me I almost fell over it was so powerful. Ive had a few such instances during "guided research" and meditation. Recorded them all by date on FB. namaste
Kodiamus comments on Feb 6, 2019:
Simply put, I agree whole heartedly. I like/agree with the Hindu Advaita Vedanta philosophy. Consciousness is an infinite ocean and we are but waves.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 6, 2019:
@Kodiamus you have to meditate. do some vipasanna. like I have room to talk ... my meditation practice sucks. but, I have had moments of enlightenment. when the nature of the universe hit me I almost fell over it was so powerful. Ive had a few such instances during "guided research" and meditation. Recorded them all by date on FB. namaste
Ties between the Isha upanishad and a unified field theory of physics?
Kodiamus comments on Feb 6, 2019:
Simply put, I agree whole heartedly. I like/agree with the Hindu Advaita Vedanta philosophy. Consciousness is an infinite ocean and we are but waves.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 6, 2019:
I also find support in the Katha upanishad ...
"The all-knowing Self was never born,
Nor will it die. Beyond cause and effect,
This Self is eternal and immutable.
When the body dies, the Self does not die."
" If the slayer believes that he can kill
Or the slain believes that he can be kill,
Neither knows the truth. The eternal Self
Slays not, nor is ever slain."
"Hidden in the heart of every creature
Exists the Self, subtler than the subtlest,
Greater than the greatest. They go beyond
All sorrow who extinguish their self-will
And behold the glory of the Self
Through the grace of the Lord of Love"
But here is a real interesting stanza ...
"Though one sits in meditation in a
Particular place, the Self within
Can exercise his influence far away.
Though still, he moves everything everywhere."
That one makes me ponder Dr. Strange and Transcendental meditation.
Kodiamus comments on Feb 6, 2019:
Simply put, I agree whole heartedly. I like/agree with the Hindu Advaita Vedanta philosophy. Consciousness is an infinite ocean and we are but waves.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 6, 2019:
I also find support in the Katha upanishad ...
"The all-knowing Self was never born,
Nor will it die. Beyond cause and effect,
This Self is eternal and immutable.
When the body dies, the Self does not die."
" If the slayer believes that he can kill
Or the slain believes that he can be kill,
Neither knows the truth. The eternal Self
Slays not, nor is ever slain."
"Hidden in the heart of every creature
Exists the Self, subtler than the subtlest,
Greater than the greatest. They go beyond
All sorrow who extinguish their self-will
And behold the glory of the Self
Through the grace of the Lord of Love"
But here is a real interesting stanza ...
"Though one sits in meditation in a
Particular place, the Self within
Can exercise his influence far away.
Though still, he moves everything everywhere."
That one makes me ponder Dr. Strange and Transcendental meditation.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG all you've said is the book sucks therefore the video, which you havent seen, is wrong. I said the book didnt use the same material and you were unresponsive. No clue about this gold law of attraction thing you cite. I dont even remember that from the movie. They showed how persistence in thought processes will rewire neuron dendritic connections up to the point of even creating superneurons. ??? woo ... there's no magical thinking here. these are all valid concepts. maybe you need to update your physics knowledge? the flashlight's not a magic fire stick.
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG all you've said is the book sucks therefore the video, which you havent seen, is wrong. I said the book didnt use the same material and you were unresponsive. No clue about this gold law of attraction thing you cite. I dont even remember that from the movie. They showed how persistence in thought processes will rewire neuron dendritic connections up to the point of even creating superneurons. ??? woo ... there's no magical thinking here. these are all valid concepts. maybe you need to update your physics knowledge? the flashlight's not a magic fire stick.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG misrepresent? you're the one misrepresenting here. why do you have to turn negative when you have no other argument? you have offered absolutely no substantial argument and you accuse ME of being shifty? L2debate.
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG misrepresent? you're the one misrepresenting here. why do you have to turn negative when you have no other argument? you have offered absolutely no substantial argument and you accuse ME of being shifty? L2debate.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG no one said anything about manifesting gold in your basement. where did that come from? the experiment most certainly shows a link between observation and change from wave to particle. until we actually know the unifying theory then we can only call it post hoc ergo propter hoc but there are also about a dozen different variations that reach the same result. so if thats your only argument (that we don't know why yet) then I'd say we also don't know what the pineal gland does or how bumblebees fly. but we can predict the result which make the empirical data good - unlike the string theory ideas. if you're arguing against the double slit experiment you're gonna lose in most circles because those results are accepted widely now.
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG no one said anything about manifesting gold in your basement. where did that come from? the experiment most certainly shows a link between observation and change from wave to particle. until we actually know the unifying theory then we can only call it post hoc ergo propter hoc but there are also about a dozen different variations that reach the same result. so if thats your only argument (that we don't know why yet) then I'd say we also don't know what the pineal gland does or how bumblebees fly. but we can predict the result which make the empirical data good - unlike the string theory ideas. if you're arguing against the double slit experiment you're gonna lose in most circles because those results are accepted widely now.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG well, first of all the word "woo" doesn't tell me anything. I am actually trying to be objective here. Second according to others who have seen the movie the book was different. Further the works of Dr. Masaru Emoto, Dr. Amit Goswami, Sir Roger Penrose, Dr. Stuart Hameroff, Robert Wright, and the double slit experiments are actual empirical data that has withstood peer review and other scrutiny so unless you're a theoretical physicist with some other argument than the word "woo" maybe you should rethink that position?
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG well, first of all the word "woo" doesn't tell me anything. I am actually trying to be objective here. Second according to others who have seen the movie the book was different. Further the works of Dr. Masaru Emoto, Dr. Amit Goswami, Sir Roger Penrose, Dr. Stuart Hameroff, Robert Wright, and the double slit experiments are actual empirical data that has withstood peer review and other scrutiny so unless you're a theoretical physicist with some other argument than the word "woo" maybe you should rethink that position?
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG well ... I dont know what to tell you. theoretical physics is most certainly science and the double slit experiment has been confirmed by many as has multi-placement so there is empirical proof of observation deciding/declaring probability. How is that not science? The key concept is finding the bridge for cartesian dualism. Now as I said before if your complaint is about a unifying theory then I don't disagree. I blackbox that understanding - but I don't need string theory to validate the bridge. Awareness decides quantum probabilities. It's a fact.
According to a couple of reviewers of the book it is different than the movie so maybe thats the deal. One says it is like a supplement so maybe it doesnt have the best material. idk
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG well ... I dont know what to tell you. theoretical physics is most certainly science and the double slit experiment has been confirmed by many as has multi-placement so there is empirical proof of observation deciding/declaring probability. How is that not science? The key concept is finding the bridge for cartesian dualism. Now as I said before if your complaint is about a unifying theory then I don't disagree. I blackbox that understanding - but I don't need string theory to validate the bridge. Awareness decides quantum probabilities. It's a fact.
According to a couple of reviewers of the book it is different than the movie so maybe thats the deal. One says it is like a supplement so maybe it doesnt have the best material. idk
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
TristanNuvo comments on Feb 3, 2019:
In the IT, and programing world, we have a name for that.
It's called an ID0-10 T error.
Think about it for a while, and just maybe you might get it.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@TristanNuvo oh yeah, thats the ticket. there's your winner. the old damned if I answer/damned if I dont strategy. But in the midst of all this BS I notice you have yet to offer a single substantive argument. In short - you dont know anything. Get an education.
TristanNuvo comments on Feb 3, 2019:
In the IT, and programing world, we have a name for that.
It's called an ID0-10 T error.
Think about it for a while, and just maybe you might get it.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@TristanNuvo oh yeah, thats the ticket. there's your winner. the old damned if I answer/damned if I dont strategy. But in the midst of all this BS I notice you have yet to offer a single substantive argument. In short - you dont know anything. Get an education.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG I dont know what book you're talking about. I am speaking of the double slit experiments and the UK mass consciousness trials. If you're talking about string theory I have no place for that as well. I black box that whole issue. But if you can think of the issue I'd be happy to read it. As for not recognizing faces it's probably some random reference they made to organic damage others have had to areas of the brain. who knows. I pretty much stick with Norman Doidge and Stuart Hameroff when it comes to the neurology. Doidge wrote an excellent book on neuroplasticity (The Brain that Changes) and Hameroff discusses the microtubule theories of probability placement held in neurons post-mortem.
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG I dont know what book you're talking about. I am speaking of the double slit experiments and the UK mass consciousness trials. If you're talking about string theory I have no place for that as well. I black box that whole issue. But if you can think of the issue I'd be happy to read it. As for not recognizing faces it's probably some random reference they made to organic damage others have had to areas of the brain. who knows. I pretty much stick with Norman Doidge and Stuart Hameroff when it comes to the neurology. Doidge wrote an excellent book on neuroplasticity (The Brain that Changes) and Hameroff discusses the microtubule theories of probability placement held in neurons post-mortem.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
jerry99 comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I know more bleep than those clowns.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@jerry99 if you happen to run across it I'd love to see it or read it. My beliefs in it are based solely on the double slit and UK consciousness experiments. I couldnt care less about the string theory. Thats not the issue here. But I'd love to check out the rest if you remember it or happen to find it. thanks! namaste
jerry99 comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I know more bleep than those clowns.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@jerry99 if you happen to run across it I'd love to see it or read it. My beliefs in it are based solely on the double slit and UK consciousness experiments. I couldnt care less about the string theory. Thats not the issue here. But I'd love to check out the rest if you remember it or happen to find it. thanks! namaste
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
TristanNuvo comments on Feb 3, 2019:
In the IT, and programing world, we have a name for that.
It's called an ID0-10 T error.
Think about it for a while, and just maybe you might get it.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@TristanNuvo so IT responds with the "I know you are but what am I" defense? I'm through with this. You're not worth my time.
TristanNuvo comments on Feb 3, 2019:
In the IT, and programing world, we have a name for that.
It's called an ID0-10 T error.
Think about it for a while, and just maybe you might get it.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@TristanNuvo so IT responds with the "I know you are but what am I" defense? I'm through with this. You're not worth my time.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
TristanNuvo comments on Feb 3, 2019:
Much like Deepak Chopra is full of woo woo, so is this old and debunked vid.
Way to many Pseudo Scientists yapping about something they know nothing about.
I don't mean from these vid to create a straw man, I use them only to make an example.
https://youtu.be/27ZnxgOIqX8
...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@TristanNuvo First, please type or speak in a language others can understand. It facilitates for better communication.
Second - why don't you actually address the subject in whichever videos you select? I suspect you have no clue about the subject matter and merely hide behind the juvenile words "woo woo" whatever that means.
Either way if you wish to engage further then do us all the favor of at least staying on topic. Right now you're just being rude.
TristanNuvo comments on Feb 3, 2019:
Much like Deepak Chopra is full of woo woo, so is this old and debunked vid.
Way to many Pseudo Scientists yapping about something they know nothing about.
I don't mean from these vid to create a straw man, I use them only to make an example.
https://youtu.be/27ZnxgOIqX8
...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@TristanNuvo First, please type or speak in a language others can understand. It facilitates for better communication.
Second - why don't you actually address the subject in whichever videos you select? I suspect you have no clue about the subject matter and merely hide behind the juvenile words "woo woo" whatever that means.
Either way if you wish to engage further then do us all the favor of at least staying on topic. Right now you're just being rude.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
TristanNuvo comments on Feb 3, 2019:
In the IT, and programing world, we have a name for that.
It's called an ID0-10 T error.
Think about it for a while, and just maybe you might get it.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
so you think I am stupid? I really don't find IT persons to be the sharpest knives in the drawer. Your ability to grasp theoretical concepts is generally non-existent. In nuclear engineering we also have idiot acronyms - but we spell ours properly. If you want to compare CV's or intellects then by all means throw down. Because right now you sound like a pompous blowhard.
TristanNuvo comments on Feb 3, 2019:
In the IT, and programing world, we have a name for that.
It's called an ID0-10 T error.
Think about it for a while, and just maybe you might get it.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
so you think I am stupid? I really don't find IT persons to be the sharpest knives in the drawer. Your ability to grasp theoretical concepts is generally non-existent. In nuclear engineering we also have idiot acronyms - but we spell ours properly. If you want to compare CV's or intellects then by all means throw down. Because right now you sound like a pompous blowhard.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
TristanNuvo comments on Feb 3, 2019:
Much like Deepak Chopra is full of woo woo, so is this old and debunked vid.
Way to many Pseudo Scientists yapping about something they know nothing about.
I don't mean from these vid to create a straw man, I use them only to make an example.
https://youtu.be/27ZnxgOIqX8
...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
if you're going to attempt to deny something with videos then at least use videos that apply to this subject. nothing you put up there has anything to do with a single issue I stated or referred to other than one spot where Chopra said we were all a universal consciousness and that audience questioner was also one just pretending to be a physicist. Now I wouldnt have said it that way because it's not an insult. What he was saying is we are all part of this field of consciousness and he individually was that same field in a "John Doe" (or whatever his name was) suit. Nothing else there related to this. It is secular. There's no deity or the like. I am simply stating we are all part of one big consciousness and the personal view of self is an illusion as the consciousness views and created reality in our own John Doe suits. Nothing you have posted or even hinted at above denies that or even mentions it for that matter. Why don't you open your mind up a bit and think instead of immediately circling the wagons and engaging in attacks?
TristanNuvo comments on Feb 3, 2019:
Much like Deepak Chopra is full of woo woo, so is this old and debunked vid.
Way to many Pseudo Scientists yapping about something they know nothing about.
I don't mean from these vid to create a straw man, I use them only to make an example.
https://youtu.be/27ZnxgOIqX8
...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
if you're going to attempt to deny something with videos then at least use videos that apply to this subject. nothing you put up there has anything to do with a single issue I stated or referred to other than one spot where Chopra said we were all a universal consciousness and that audience questioner was also one just pretending to be a physicist. Now I wouldnt have said it that way because it's not an insult. What he was saying is we are all part of this field of consciousness and he individually was that same field in a "John Doe" (or whatever his name was) suit. Nothing else there related to this. It is secular. There's no deity or the like. I am simply stating we are all part of one big consciousness and the personal view of self is an illusion as the consciousness views and created reality in our own John Doe suits. Nothing you have posted or even hinted at above denies that or even mentions it for that matter. Why don't you open your mind up a bit and think instead of immediately circling the wagons and engaging in attacks?
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
Novelty comments on Feb 3, 2019:
None of it.
I've watched all of Dr. Richard Feynman's lectures on Quantum Mechanics and the way the New Age people try to take Quantum Mechanics as evidence for woo is disturbing and thoroughly shows that they haven't the first clue about the subject. As Feynman himself said, "If you think you ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@Mortal Who is generalizing now? Penrose has issues with string theory. I can black box string theory and still reach the same conclusions. You might be able to as well if you weren't so close-minded about the subject.
Novelty comments on Feb 3, 2019:
None of it.
I've watched all of Dr. Richard Feynman's lectures on Quantum Mechanics and the way the New Age people try to take Quantum Mechanics as evidence for woo is disturbing and thoroughly shows that they haven't the first clue about the subject. As Feynman himself said, "If you think you ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@Mortal Who is generalizing now? Penrose has issues with string theory. I can black box string theory and still reach the same conclusions. You might be able to as well if you weren't so close-minded about the subject.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
Novelty comments on Feb 3, 2019:
None of it.
I've watched all of Dr. Richard Feynman's lectures on Quantum Mechanics and the way the New Age people try to take Quantum Mechanics as evidence for woo is disturbing and thoroughly shows that they haven't the first clue about the subject. As Feynman himself said, "If you think you ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@Mortal when you start off mocking something from your first few words you are not inviting discussion. you are baiting me to circle the wagons in defense. You're engaging both of our limbic systems and closing off a path to the PFC where reasoning and logic are located. I suspect you feel threatened and that is the source of your posture. Either way you're not in any shape to discuss something in a constructive manner. namaste.
Novelty comments on Feb 3, 2019:
None of it.
I've watched all of Dr. Richard Feynman's lectures on Quantum Mechanics and the way the New Age people try to take Quantum Mechanics as evidence for woo is disturbing and thoroughly shows that they haven't the first clue about the subject. As Feynman himself said, "If you think you ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@Mortal when you start off mocking something from your first few words you are not inviting discussion. you are baiting me to circle the wagons in defense. You're engaging both of our limbic systems and closing off a path to the PFC where reasoning and logic are located. I suspect you feel threatened and that is the source of your posture. Either way you're not in any shape to discuss something in a constructive manner. namaste.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
Novelty comments on Feb 3, 2019:
None of it.
I've watched all of Dr. Richard Feynman's lectures on Quantum Mechanics and the way the New Age people try to take Quantum Mechanics as evidence for woo is disturbing and thoroughly shows that they haven't the first clue about the subject. As Feynman himself said, "If you think you ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@Mortal the simple fact you call it an ill, mocking name compels me to stop reading after the first words.
Novelty comments on Feb 3, 2019:
None of it.
I've watched all of Dr. Richard Feynman's lectures on Quantum Mechanics and the way the New Age people try to take Quantum Mechanics as evidence for woo is disturbing and thoroughly shows that they haven't the first clue about the subject. As Feynman himself said, "If you think you ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@Mortal the simple fact you call it an ill, mocking name compels me to stop reading after the first words.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG no, I want to know where you thought it was inaccurate. I am seeking truth and all for listening to either side provided it isn't just reluctance to hear something new.
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JimG no, I want to know where you thought it was inaccurate. I am seeking truth and all for listening to either side provided it isn't just reluctance to hear something new.
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
Novelty comments on Feb 3, 2019:
None of it.
I've watched all of Dr. Richard Feynman's lectures on Quantum Mechanics and the way the New Age people try to take Quantum Mechanics as evidence for woo is disturbing and thoroughly shows that they haven't the first clue about the subject. As Feynman himself said, "If you think you ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
Have you watched Sir Roger Penrose? Dr. Stuart Hameroff? Dr. Masaru Emoto's water experiments? Dr. Amit Goswami's number generator experiments? the double slit experiments? Robert Wright? Perhaps you're starting off with a closed mind??
Novelty comments on Feb 3, 2019:
None of it.
I've watched all of Dr. Richard Feynman's lectures on Quantum Mechanics and the way the New Age people try to take Quantum Mechanics as evidence for woo is disturbing and thoroughly shows that they haven't the first clue about the subject. As Feynman himself said, "If you think you ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
Have you watched Sir Roger Penrose? Dr. Stuart Hameroff? Dr. Masaru Emoto's water experiments? Dr. Amit Goswami's number generator experiments? the double slit experiments? Robert Wright? Perhaps you're starting off with a closed mind??
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
loosely? what was loose about Sir Penrose's views?
JimG comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I read the book it's entirely pseudoscientific bullshit. It is based loosely on quantum mechanics principles such as uncertainty and entanglement but takes huge leaps from there to reach completely unsupported conclusions.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
loosely? what was loose about Sir Penrose's views?
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
stinkeye_a comments on Feb 3, 2019:
Have you read *Punk Science* by Dr. Manjir Samanta-Lawton? Its entry-level, I think, so probably beneath your understanding, but might be worth a look.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
nope but I will certainly check that out. thank you!
stinkeye_a comments on Feb 3, 2019:
Have you read *Punk Science* by Dr. Manjir Samanta-Lawton? Its entry-level, I think, so probably beneath your understanding, but might be worth a look.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
nope but I will certainly check that out. thank you!
How much of "What the bleep do we know" do YOU believe?
jerry99 comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I know more bleep than those clowns.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
I doubt you know more than Sir Roger Penrose - unless you were also Stephen Hawkings adviser for his PhD. were you?
jerry99 comments on Feb 3, 2019:
I know more bleep than those clowns.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
I doubt you know more than Sir Roger Penrose - unless you were also Stephen Hawkings adviser for his PhD. were you?
How do you quit smoking? My girl friend is dying from smoking and won't quit. Help! Anybody know?
JeffMesser comments on Feb 2, 2019:
it took me 2 heart attacks, a triple bypass, and dying. then I quit easily. I used chantrix and quit the second the mental urges were gone because chantrix makes you crazy. of course then I gained a bunch of weight. usetabe skinny but smokey. now I am fat and weedy.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@michaelj now. by far. even fat.
JeffMesser comments on Feb 2, 2019:
it took me 2 heart attacks, a triple bypass, and dying. then I quit easily. I used chantrix and quit the second the mental urges were gone because chantrix makes you crazy. of course then I gained a bunch of weight. usetabe skinny but smokey. now I am fat and weedy.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@michaelj now. by far. even fat.
Fascinating
America is falling out if love with billionaires, and it's about time.
WilliamFleming comments on Feb 2, 2019:
IMO the reason some people are poor is not because other people are wealthy. Money is not wealth, rather it is an accounting system whereby contributions to society are repaid in kind.
If a person wants more they ought to think of ways to contribute more. Sitting there in envy will get you ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
I choose to live with little. fewer ties makes life easier to navigate as I explore my path in this existence.
WilliamFleming comments on Feb 2, 2019:
IMO the reason some people are poor is not because other people are wealthy. Money is not wealth, rather it is an accounting system whereby contributions to society are repaid in kind.
If a person wants more they ought to think of ways to contribute more. Sitting there in envy will get you ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
I choose to live with little. fewer ties makes life easier to navigate as I explore my path in this existence.
what kind of stupid position is a soul anyway?
Amisja comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Pineal gland
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JohnWay thats the ops of the pineal gland in reptiles. ours doesnt work anymore so I am told.
Amisja comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Pineal gland
JeffMesser replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@JohnWay thats the ops of the pineal gland in reptiles. ours doesnt work anymore so I am told.
what kind of stupid position is a soul anyway?
DenoPenno comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Why is your soul one thing and your body another? Even in the bibble man "became a living soul." Nowhere does it say that a god gave him a soul, or that souls are waiting for bodies, etc. You are a soul. Mankind has become entwined in religious myth from outside the Christian handbook and they all ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
@DenoPenno thats fine. I will follow the katha upanishad. you follow your instincts.
DenoPenno comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Why is your soul one thing and your body another? Even in the bibble man "became a living soul." Nowhere does it say that a god gave him a soul, or that souls are waiting for bodies, etc. You are a soul. Mankind has become entwined in religious myth from outside the Christian handbook and they all ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
@DenoPenno thats fine. I will follow the katha upanishad. you follow your instincts.
what kind of stupid position is a soul anyway?
Amisja comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Pineal gland
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
@Amisja my neurologist disagrees with you. he says latest studies show it to be ultra-violet sensitive in reptiles and alerts their flight response.
Amisja comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Pineal gland
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
@Amisja my neurologist disagrees with you. he says latest studies show it to be ultra-violet sensitive in reptiles and alerts their flight response.
what kind of stupid position is a soul anyway?
DenoPenno comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Why is your soul one thing and your body another? Even in the bibble man "became a living soul." Nowhere does it say that a god gave him a soul, or that souls are waiting for bodies, etc. You are a soul. Mankind has become entwined in religious myth from outside the Christian handbook and they all ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
nah, it's charioteer. that gives you 3rd person to see the forest for the trees. objectivity. I fully believe in cartesian dualism.
DenoPenno comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Why is your soul one thing and your body another? Even in the bibble man "became a living soul." Nowhere does it say that a god gave him a soul, or that souls are waiting for bodies, etc. You are a soul. Mankind has become entwined in religious myth from outside the Christian handbook and they all ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
nah, it's charioteer. that gives you 3rd person to see the forest for the trees. objectivity. I fully believe in cartesian dualism.
what kind of stupid position is a soul anyway?
Novelty comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Religion is a control mechanism, that's why historians talk about "Divine right monarchy" in the feudal system and before that in tribal society how else could the dominant leader establish authority?
The argument goes like this, if God didn't want me to be King then I wouldn't be King now would...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
I agree with Yuval Harari's analysis about religion being a fiction for social commitment above 150. see "Sapiens".
Novelty comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Religion is a control mechanism, that's why historians talk about "Divine right monarchy" in the feudal system and before that in tribal society how else could the dominant leader establish authority?
The argument goes like this, if God didn't want me to be King then I wouldn't be King now would...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
I agree with Yuval Harari's analysis about religion being a fiction for social commitment above 150. see "Sapiens".
what kind of stupid position is a soul anyway?
Amisja comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Pineal gland
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
nah. that was a popular answer when no one understood the past purpose of the pineal gland. now we know it is an ancient reptilian "eye" for seeing overhead predators.
Amisja comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Pineal gland
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
nah. that was a popular answer when no one understood the past purpose of the pineal gland. now we know it is an ancient reptilian "eye" for seeing overhead predators.
Suggested reading?
skado comments on Jan 29, 2019:
“The Illusion of God's Presence: The Biological Origins of Spiritual Longing”
by
John C. Wathey
https://www.amazon.com/Illusion-Gods-Presence-Biological-Spiritual/dp/1633880745
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
you're right. it was very good. just finished it. thx!!
skado comments on Jan 29, 2019:
“The Illusion of God's Presence: The Biological Origins of Spiritual Longing”
by
John C. Wathey
https://www.amazon.com/Illusion-Gods-Presence-Biological-Spiritual/dp/1633880745
JeffMesser replies on Feb 2, 2019:
you're right. it was very good. just finished it. thx!!
Best way to comprehend racism fully...
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JeffMesser comments on Feb 1, 2019:
I tend to prefer the biological/psychological view on racism. People who lack the self-assuredness to confront new situations with confidence either due to lack of experience or some anxiety or condition find themselves frightened internally at even the mere thought of someone foreign to them. They ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 1, 2019:
@MoonTiger yep. excellent video. I speak with people about this all the time. experience and familiarity have a huge effect on the threshold he discusses.
BTW - there's a very important evolutionary issue to consider here as well. I would contend that the threshold is intentionally low. of course by intentionally I mean that the course of genetic evolution has set it low for survivals' sake. one of the naughty little secrets paleoanthropologists keep to themselves most of the time is that included among the bones they find in homo erectus and homo habilus fossilized sites are bones of other homo erectii and homo habilii. I am reminded of the extinction of large animals in Australia and NZ when advanced hominids arrived. They had no natural fear of hominids as predators and were wiped out upon hominids arrival within centuries if not sooner.
JeffMesser comments on Feb 1, 2019:
I tend to prefer the biological/psychological view on racism. People who lack the self-assuredness to confront new situations with confidence either due to lack of experience or some anxiety or condition find themselves frightened internally at even the mere thought of someone foreign to them. They ...
JeffMesser replies on Feb 1, 2019:
@MoonTiger yep. excellent video. I speak with people about this all the time. experience and familiarity have a huge effect on the threshold he discusses.
BTW - there's a very important evolutionary issue to consider here as well. I would contend that the threshold is intentionally low. of course by intentionally I mean that the course of genetic evolution has set it low for survivals' sake. one of the naughty little secrets paleoanthropologists keep to themselves most of the time is that included among the bones they find in homo erectus and homo habilus fossilized sites are bones of other homo erectii and homo habilii. I am reminded of the extinction of large animals in Australia and NZ when advanced hominids arrived. They had no natural fear of hominids as predators and were wiped out upon hominids arrival within centuries if not sooner.
I happy to have found a group of atheist Buddhists.
JeffMesser comments on Feb 1, 2019:
I practice Jeff Buddhism. It focuses on the dhammapada and the upanishads and how they agree with modern views in biology, history, archaeology, quantum physics, theoretical physics, philosophy, and a combination of modern and ancient Indian psychology.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 1, 2019:
@stinkeye_a I found the various lineages of buddhists to be every bit as close-minded as the southern baptists I left in my youth. They were (and still do) praising views based on ancient scientific "knowledge" and when I tried to update that knowledge they ridiculed me. So I made myself an island.
JeffMesser comments on Feb 1, 2019:
I practice Jeff Buddhism. It focuses on the dhammapada and the upanishads and how they agree with modern views in biology, history, archaeology, quantum physics, theoretical physics, philosophy, and a combination of modern and ancient Indian psychology.
JeffMesser replies on Feb 1, 2019:
@stinkeye_a I found the various lineages of buddhists to be every bit as close-minded as the southern baptists I left in my youth. They were (and still do) praising views based on ancient scientific "knowledge" and when I tried to update that knowledge they ridiculed me. So I made myself an island.
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
OpposingOpposum comments on Jan 31, 2019:
Not being fucking superstitious is not a mental illness. I don't believe the moon is made of cheese either, you raging earlobe, is that because I didn't spend enough time outside as a child?
JeffMesser replies on Jan 31, 2019:
@OpposingOpposum actually you're still being rude. and if I am supposed to decide between you or Dawkins in terms of credibility then I choose Dawkins.
OpposingOpposum comments on Jan 31, 2019:
Not being fucking superstitious is not a mental illness. I don't believe the moon is made of cheese either, you raging earlobe, is that because I didn't spend enough time outside as a child?
JeffMesser replies on Jan 31, 2019:
@OpposingOpposum actually you're still being rude. and if I am supposed to decide between you or Dawkins in terms of credibility then I choose Dawkins.
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
OpposingOpposum comments on Jan 31, 2019:
Not being fucking superstitious is not a mental illness. I don't believe the moon is made of cheese either, you raging earlobe, is that because I didn't spend enough time outside as a child?
JeffMesser replies on Jan 31, 2019:
@OpposingOpposum no, I'm not. Dawkins has a theory that humans inevitably develop some sort of god due to their innate model of a nurturing mother instinct at birth. I wondered if messing with that instinct would remove someone's need for that god figure and make them more impervious to the need. And stop calling me names and insulting me. I'm not stupid. You're being rude.
OpposingOpposum comments on Jan 31, 2019:
Not being fucking superstitious is not a mental illness. I don't believe the moon is made of cheese either, you raging earlobe, is that because I didn't spend enough time outside as a child?
JeffMesser replies on Jan 31, 2019:
@OpposingOpposum no, I'm not. Dawkins has a theory that humans inevitably develop some sort of god due to their innate model of a nurturing mother instinct at birth. I wondered if messing with that instinct would remove someone's need for that god figure and make them more impervious to the need. And stop calling me names and insulting me. I'm not stupid. You're being rude.
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
OpposingOpposum comments on Jan 31, 2019:
Not being fucking superstitious is not a mental illness. I don't believe the moon is made of cheese either, you raging earlobe, is that because I didn't spend enough time outside as a child?
JeffMesser replies on Jan 31, 2019:
what?
OpposingOpposum comments on Jan 31, 2019:
Not being fucking superstitious is not a mental illness. I don't believe the moon is made of cheese either, you raging earlobe, is that because I didn't spend enough time outside as a child?
JeffMesser replies on Jan 31, 2019:
what?
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
AnneWimsey comments on Jan 30, 2019:
Oh, goody, back to the days when schizophrenia was the "cold withholding" mother's fault, or homosexuality was because of a bad dad and/or smothering mother. Yessirree, those were the days!
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@AnneWimsey not everything has an organic component and some things that do yield effects that may have remedial therapeutic measures. I see a lot of success with anxiety disorders and PTSD through therapy. My depression and BPD see both pharmaceutical and therapeutic remediation.
AnneWimsey comments on Jan 30, 2019:
Oh, goody, back to the days when schizophrenia was the "cold withholding" mother's fault, or homosexuality was because of a bad dad and/or smothering mother. Yessirree, those were the days!
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@AnneWimsey not everything has an organic component and some things that do yield effects that may have remedial therapeutic measures. I see a lot of success with anxiety disorders and PTSD through therapy. My depression and BPD see both pharmaceutical and therapeutic remediation.
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
creative51 comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I had good parental bonding. What was interesting is that after my father passed away (he was a man who kept his religious beliefs to himself), my mother became more agnostic, likely influenced by me, instead of the other way around.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@creative51 I appreciate your answer. it seems rather 50/50
creative51 comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I had good parental bonding. What was interesting is that after my father passed away (he was a man who kept his religious beliefs to himself), my mother became more agnostic, likely influenced by me, instead of the other way around.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@creative51 I appreciate your answer. it seems rather 50/50
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
AnneWimsey comments on Jan 30, 2019:
Oh, goody, back to the days when schizophrenia was the "cold withholding" mother's fault, or homosexuality was because of a bad dad and/or smothering mother. Yessirree, those were the days!
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
some of them have merit. some dont.
AnneWimsey comments on Jan 30, 2019:
Oh, goody, back to the days when schizophrenia was the "cold withholding" mother's fault, or homosexuality was because of a bad dad and/or smothering mother. Yessirree, those were the days!
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
some of them have merit. some dont.
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
jvenus comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I grew up in a highly abusive home where I was denied much since infancy. My father atheist and mother was whatever she needed to be to please whomever she was interacting with. Father died when I was 6. They both mentally, physically, and sexually tormented me.
I prayed often. Even though I was...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@jvenus damn, thats fukt up. very sorry you went thru all that shit.
jvenus comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I grew up in a highly abusive home where I was denied much since infancy. My father atheist and mother was whatever she needed to be to please whomever she was interacting with. Father died when I was 6. They both mentally, physically, and sexually tormented me.
I prayed often. Even though I was...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@jvenus damn, thats fukt up. very sorry you went thru all that shit.
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
Triphid comments on Jan 30, 2019:
My 'mother,' the cruelest nastiest, meanest bitch ever to draw breath, was a full on God-bothering Theist, my Dad was a full on Atheist, I got love, guidance and support from my Dad and nothing but abuse, emotional, physical and mental from the Queen of Bitches, yet,thanks to my Dad, I grew up to be...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@Triphid that would make a good horror movie!
Triphid comments on Jan 30, 2019:
My 'mother,' the cruelest nastiest, meanest bitch ever to draw breath, was a full on God-bothering Theist, my Dad was a full on Atheist, I got love, guidance and support from my Dad and nothing but abuse, emotional, physical and mental from the Queen of Bitches, yet,thanks to my Dad, I grew up to be...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@Triphid that would make a good horror movie!
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
John_Tyrrell comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I've reason to blame of personal characteristics a lot on poor parenting, but my agnosticism isn't one of them.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
fair enough. it's just an informal survey. seeing if anything really stuck out. thanks!!
John_Tyrrell comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I've reason to blame of personal characteristics a lot on poor parenting, but my agnosticism isn't one of them.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
fair enough. it's just an informal survey. seeing if anything really stuck out. thanks!!
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
Triphid comments on Jan 30, 2019:
My 'mother,' the cruelest nastiest, meanest bitch ever to draw breath, was a full on God-bothering Theist, my Dad was a full on Atheist, I got love, guidance and support from my Dad and nothing but abuse, emotional, physical and mental from the Queen of Bitches, yet,thanks to my Dad, I grew up to be...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@Triphid now THAT sounds like my childhood. my mom went back to work a week after giving birth to me. left me crying in the crib all the time. and was always telling me how much I ruined her life and how she hated me being born as I grew up. I wondered if this contributed to my lack of religious beliefs after seeing Dawkins postulation that the need for a god comes from that motherly instinct. but it seems so far, empirically, that the results are mixed.
Triphid comments on Jan 30, 2019:
My 'mother,' the cruelest nastiest, meanest bitch ever to draw breath, was a full on God-bothering Theist, my Dad was a full on Atheist, I got love, guidance and support from my Dad and nothing but abuse, emotional, physical and mental from the Queen of Bitches, yet,thanks to my Dad, I grew up to be...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@Triphid now THAT sounds like my childhood. my mom went back to work a week after giving birth to me. left me crying in the crib all the time. and was always telling me how much I ruined her life and how she hated me being born as I grew up. I wondered if this contributed to my lack of religious beliefs after seeing Dawkins postulation that the need for a god comes from that motherly instinct. but it seems so far, empirically, that the results are mixed.
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
jvenus comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I grew up in a highly abusive home where I was denied much since infancy. My father atheist and mother was whatever she needed to be to please whomever she was interacting with. Father died when I was 6. They both mentally, physically, and sexually tormented me.
I prayed often. Even though I was...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
no way thats an excellent answer. I appreciate this input a lot. thank you!!
jvenus comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I grew up in a highly abusive home where I was denied much since infancy. My father atheist and mother was whatever she needed to be to please whomever she was interacting with. Father died when I was 6. They both mentally, physically, and sexually tormented me.
I prayed often. Even though I was...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
no way thats an excellent answer. I appreciate this input a lot. thank you!!
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
Novelty comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I tend to doubt this, God comes into the picture from child abuse, not from giving or denying a child maternal affection. The love of God was beat into me and my siblings, and all the other children I knew in church. In fact I find it difficult to swallow that this came from Dawkins and if it did I ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@SeaGreenEyez you've never read anything by dawkins saying that a deity concept in man is inevitable because of memes?
Novelty comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I tend to doubt this, God comes into the picture from child abuse, not from giving or denying a child maternal affection. The love of God was beat into me and my siblings, and all the other children I knew in church. In fact I find it difficult to swallow that this came from Dawkins and if it did I ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@SeaGreenEyez you've never read anything by dawkins saying that a deity concept in man is inevitable because of memes?
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
creative51 comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I had good parental bonding. What was interesting is that after my father passed away (he was a man who kept his religious beliefs to himself), my mother became more agnostic, likely influenced by me, instead of the other way around.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
so was your mother nurturer?
creative51 comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I had good parental bonding. What was interesting is that after my father passed away (he was a man who kept his religious beliefs to himself), my mother became more agnostic, likely influenced by me, instead of the other way around.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
so was your mother nurturer?
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
Novelty comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I tend to doubt this, God comes into the picture from child abuse, not from giving or denying a child maternal affection. The love of God was beat into me and my siblings, and all the other children I knew in church. In fact I find it difficult to swallow that this came from Dawkins and if it did I ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@SeaGreenEyez mmmm it's pretty straight forward as Dawkins' theory. there are certain instincts the human infant is born with to survive. Minimal though they are. the human infant's only defense mechanism at birth is to cry and recognize a nurturer. the bodies of both the infant and the mother are drugged up when this bond is explored so thatr they tend to not be separated. there exists a ton of evidence and studies about the ill-effects of that bond not forming (The romanian kids in the orphanage come to mind). Dawkins suggests that the internal human need for a god figure stems as a by=product of that instinct and I query if that means not feeding that instinct could potentially lead to godless heathens like myself.
Novelty comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I tend to doubt this, God comes into the picture from child abuse, not from giving or denying a child maternal affection. The love of God was beat into me and my siblings, and all the other children I knew in church. In fact I find it difficult to swallow that this came from Dawkins and if it did I ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@SeaGreenEyez mmmm it's pretty straight forward as Dawkins' theory. there are certain instincts the human infant is born with to survive. Minimal though they are. the human infant's only defense mechanism at birth is to cry and recognize a nurturer. the bodies of both the infant and the mother are drugged up when this bond is explored so thatr they tend to not be separated. there exists a ton of evidence and studies about the ill-effects of that bond not forming (The romanian kids in the orphanage come to mind). Dawkins suggests that the internal human need for a god figure stems as a by=product of that instinct and I query if that means not feeding that instinct could potentially lead to godless heathens like myself.
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
chucklesIII comments on Jan 30, 2019:
Actually, Agnosticism is linked to a comprehension of reality.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
what?
chucklesIII comments on Jan 30, 2019:
Actually, Agnosticism is linked to a comprehension of reality.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
what?
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
Triphid comments on Jan 30, 2019:
My 'mother,' the cruelest nastiest, meanest bitch ever to draw breath, was a full on God-bothering Theist, my Dad was a full on Atheist, I got love, guidance and support from my Dad and nothing but abuse, emotional, physical and mental from the Queen of Bitches, yet,thanks to my Dad, I grew up to be...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
how was she as a nurturer when you were an infant? I know you were little but do you know of stories one way or another or have a siblings' experience to recount?
Triphid comments on Jan 30, 2019:
My 'mother,' the cruelest nastiest, meanest bitch ever to draw breath, was a full on God-bothering Theist, my Dad was a full on Atheist, I got love, guidance and support from my Dad and nothing but abuse, emotional, physical and mental from the Queen of Bitches, yet,thanks to my Dad, I grew up to be...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
how was she as a nurturer when you were an infant? I know you were little but do you know of stories one way or another or have a siblings' experience to recount?
Agnosticism linked to poor parental bonding?
Novelty comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I tend to doubt this, God comes into the picture from child abuse, not from giving or denying a child maternal affection. The love of God was beat into me and my siblings, and all the other children I knew in church. In fact I find it difficult to swallow that this came from Dawkins and if it did I ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
well you can doubt it but I am reading the material right now and it most certainly comes from Dawkins. He makes a hypothesis that the innate maternal bond is triggered to account for a human need for a god. I am just trying to see if the link goes further. I actually just sent him a message asking as much.
Novelty comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I tend to doubt this, God comes into the picture from child abuse, not from giving or denying a child maternal affection. The love of God was beat into me and my siblings, and all the other children I knew in church. In fact I find it difficult to swallow that this came from Dawkins and if it did I ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
well you can doubt it but I am reading the material right now and it most certainly comes from Dawkins. He makes a hypothesis that the innate maternal bond is triggered to account for a human need for a god. I am just trying to see if the link goes further. I actually just sent him a message asking as much.
Please comment on this idea about the PFC and consciousness
WilliamFleming comments on Jan 30, 2019:
Try as I might, I can’t see how the firing of neurons could possibly cause conscious awareness as we experience it. I lean toward thinking that our bodies are nothing but robots, without conscious awareness or free will. Perhaps consciousness is primary, existing in ultimate reality, and it ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@WilliamFleming intuition? you mean cartesian gravity!
I am prone to believe universal consciousness as well.
WilliamFleming comments on Jan 30, 2019:
Try as I might, I can’t see how the firing of neurons could possibly cause conscious awareness as we experience it. I lean toward thinking that our bodies are nothing but robots, without conscious awareness or free will. Perhaps consciousness is primary, existing in ultimate reality, and it ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@WilliamFleming intuition? you mean cartesian gravity!
I am prone to believe universal consciousness as well.
Please comment on this idea about the PFC and consciousness
WilliamFleming comments on Jan 30, 2019:
Try as I might, I can’t see how the firing of neurons could possibly cause conscious awareness as we experience it. I lean toward thinking that our bodies are nothing but robots, without conscious awareness or free will. Perhaps consciousness is primary, existing in ultimate reality, and it ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
my thought is a multitude of experiences crosses a threshold much like that of a neuron turning to a superneuron and the pfc is able to group and classify the individual "constellations" and take a 3rd person objective approach allowing true reciprocal altruism with no sense of eminent repayment. perhaps by placing ones' self in the catbird's seat. I can see it justified from an evolutionary perspective in that those who were able to reciprocate based on blind trust were more likely to receive a return on their faith than those who waited for more familiarity. This expanded their social networks which, in turn, expanded their potential for rewards from divergent groups which might have more resource opportunities that the current group was not aware of or did not possess.
WilliamFleming comments on Jan 30, 2019:
Try as I might, I can’t see how the firing of neurons could possibly cause conscious awareness as we experience it. I lean toward thinking that our bodies are nothing but robots, without conscious awareness or free will. Perhaps consciousness is primary, existing in ultimate reality, and it ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 30, 2019:
my thought is a multitude of experiences crosses a threshold much like that of a neuron turning to a superneuron and the pfc is able to group and classify the individual "constellations" and take a 3rd person objective approach allowing true reciprocal altruism with no sense of eminent repayment. perhaps by placing ones' self in the catbird's seat. I can see it justified from an evolutionary perspective in that those who were able to reciprocate based on blind trust were more likely to receive a return on their faith than those who waited for more familiarity. This expanded their social networks which, in turn, expanded their potential for rewards from divergent groups which might have more resource opportunities that the current group was not aware of or did not possess.
Suggested reading?
Matias comments on Jan 29, 2019:
Scott Atran: "In Gods we trust. The evolutionary landscape of religion." - 2002
Justin L. Barrett: "Born Believers. The science of children's religious belief" - 2012
Jesse Bering: "The Belief Instinct" - 2011
Pascal Boyer: "Religion Explained. The evolutionary origins of religious thought" - ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 29, 2019:
nice list. thanks! quite a few there I will be checking out!!
Matias comments on Jan 29, 2019:
Scott Atran: "In Gods we trust. The evolutionary landscape of religion." - 2002
Justin L. Barrett: "Born Believers. The science of children's religious belief" - 2012
Jesse Bering: "The Belief Instinct" - 2011
Pascal Boyer: "Religion Explained. The evolutionary origins of religious thought" - ...
JeffMesser replies on Jan 29, 2019:
nice list. thanks! quite a few there I will be checking out!!
Suggested reading?
Mitch07102 comments on Jan 29, 2019:
A Brief History of Everyone Who Ever Lived. Informative, has the added benefit of dispelling some of the DNA testing myths that float around.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 29, 2019:
I actually have that one and haven't read it yet. thx for the input!!
Mitch07102 comments on Jan 29, 2019:
A Brief History of Everyone Who Ever Lived. Informative, has the added benefit of dispelling some of the DNA testing myths that float around.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 29, 2019:
I actually have that one and haven't read it yet. thx for the input!!
Suggested reading?
powder comments on Jan 29, 2019:
Is quantum physics of consciousness an easy read or heavy going? Do you have an author?
JeffMesser replies on Jan 29, 2019:
it's a series of essays from the journal of cosmology, I read it for the stuff from Prof. Kak from up the road from me at Okie state. It's pretty long in the tooth. If you're not familiar with some of the hindu references and terms it takes a bit. It was on Unlimited kindle I believe.
powder comments on Jan 29, 2019:
Is quantum physics of consciousness an easy read or heavy going? Do you have an author?
JeffMesser replies on Jan 29, 2019:
it's a series of essays from the journal of cosmology, I read it for the stuff from Prof. Kak from up the road from me at Okie state. It's pretty long in the tooth. If you're not familiar with some of the hindu references and terms it takes a bit. It was on Unlimited kindle I believe.
comment on my theory
Triphid comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Sorry there, kauva, but your 'theory' makes about as much sense as putting flyscreen doors on a submarine.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 28, 2019:
@Triphid and you're STILL insulting me? I see you lack the social skills of normal, everyday people so I will put you on the "shun" list.
Triphid comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Sorry there, kauva, but your 'theory' makes about as much sense as putting flyscreen doors on a submarine.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 28, 2019:
@Triphid and you're STILL insulting me? I see you lack the social skills of normal, everyday people so I will put you on the "shun" list.
comment on my theory
Triphid comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Sorry there, kauva, but your 'theory' makes about as much sense as putting flyscreen doors on a submarine.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 28, 2019:
@Triphid I agreed with you. I was done. point made.
Triphid comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Sorry there, kauva, but your 'theory' makes about as much sense as putting flyscreen doors on a submarine.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 28, 2019:
@Triphid I agreed with you. I was done. point made.
comment on my theory
Triphid comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Sorry there, kauva, but your 'theory' makes about as much sense as putting flyscreen doors on a submarine.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 28, 2019:
ok
Triphid comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Sorry there, kauva, but your 'theory' makes about as much sense as putting flyscreen doors on a submarine.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 28, 2019:
ok
comment on my theory
Triphid comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Sorry there, kauva, but your 'theory' makes about as much sense as putting flyscreen doors on a submarine.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 28, 2019:
@Triphid oh ... scrutiny? so they actual list reasons and logic? they dont just say "no one has said that before"?
Triphid comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Sorry there, kauva, but your 'theory' makes about as much sense as putting flyscreen doors on a submarine.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 28, 2019:
@Triphid oh ... scrutiny? so they actual list reasons and logic? they dont just say "no one has said that before"?
comment on my theory
Triphid comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Sorry there, kauva, but your 'theory' makes about as much sense as putting flyscreen doors on a submarine.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 28, 2019:
@Triphid so no one ever comes up with any new hypothesis? I see.
Triphid comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Sorry there, kauva, but your 'theory' makes about as much sense as putting flyscreen doors on a submarine.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 28, 2019:
@Triphid so no one ever comes up with any new hypothesis? I see.
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