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Is my brain weird?
Fernapple comments on Jan 1, 2019:
If your brain is not weird you should not be on this site. Thanks for the images they are now lodged in my brain too.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 1, 2019:
really? you think agnostics are weird?? I've always thought the other side was weird in that regard.
Is my brain weird?
genessa comments on Jan 1, 2019:
i do think visually to an extent, and i do see stuff happening when i read, as if watching a movie, but no, the visualizations don't match yours too closely. that doesn't make either of us weird (or NOT weird, for that matter). g
JeffMesser replies on Jan 1, 2019:
this is what I'm interested in. I wouldnt think our visualizations would be the same because we have different experiences. I just didnt know if everyone thinks like that.
Is my brain weird?
Darius77 comments on Jan 1, 2019:
I think that's a big plus, and one that my brain lacks. I'm more spatially gifted. Given what you described, you must score incredibly high on a Pictorial IQ test.
JeffMesser replies on Jan 1, 2019:
thats nice of you but I wouldnt score high on any IQ test. I am not that smart.
Yep... And hopefully more Republicans will pay for supporting him.
48thRonin comments on Dec 31, 2018:
Honestly I don’t care what happens to trump the republicans or most of the democrats for that matter But what I’m waiting for is to see the looks on the faces of everyone that has fallen so ignorantly in love with the new McCarthyism and realize that the evidence is actually there to prove ...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 31, 2018:
@48thRonin sure your guy was bernie samders. pull this leg and I play jingle bells. and quit calling me a woman. thats just rude.
Yep... And hopefully more Republicans will pay for supporting him.
48thRonin comments on Dec 31, 2018:
Honestly I don’t care what happens to trump the republicans or most of the democrats for that matter But what I’m waiting for is to see the looks on the faces of everyone that has fallen so ignorantly in love with the new McCarthyism and realize that the evidence is actually there to prove ...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 31, 2018:
@48thRonin dude, the election is over. move on. jesus. what is the deal with you guys and your election? Now it's ops time and your hero has soiled the sheets. I understand your group sticks to the ends of the means/ends argument but keeping material from the jury and the voters is historically frowned upon. So when you literally say on TV that youre doing something to impede an investigation then you're darn right you're gonna get called on it. Placing the WH is a position of weakness by giving others leverage over you is also pretty bad ops. wake up dude. the entire world sees it - except you. hmmmmmm ... common denominator theory would seem to favor me.
Yep... And hopefully more Republicans will pay for supporting him.
48thRonin comments on Dec 31, 2018:
Honestly I don’t care what happens to trump the republicans or most of the democrats for that matter But what I’m waiting for is to see the looks on the faces of everyone that has fallen so ignorantly in love with the new McCarthyism and realize that the evidence is actually there to prove ...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 31, 2018:
@48thRonin do you even understand what is going on?
Yep... And hopefully more Republicans will pay for supporting him.
48thRonin comments on Dec 31, 2018:
Honestly I don’t care what happens to trump the republicans or most of the democrats for that matter But what I’m waiting for is to see the looks on the faces of everyone that has fallen so ignorantly in love with the new McCarthyism and realize that the evidence is actually there to prove ...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 31, 2018:
new mccarthyism? where do you people come up with this crap? Trump and his family were in negotiations to make a property deal with Russia while he was running for office. He tried to hide it. They tried to hide it. His staff tried to hide it. Thats against the law. Not sure how this is some new era of McCarthyism.
If someone's grandiose sense of self-worth is central to their ability to feel justified in using ...
JeffMesser comments on Dec 31, 2018:
Their narcissism is generally a defense for inner feelings of inferiority. You're not going to successfully "stem its' tide" unless you get to the root cause. Why are you trying to manipulate them? Unless you're a trained counselor I'd suggest you follow the advice of all these other good people and...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 31, 2018:
@Secular_Squirrel decent people? and what is your standard for "decent"?
I'm curious...what are your thoughts on motivation and the human brain?
JeffMesser comments on Dec 31, 2018:
you may be setting the goals too far ahead and not equating them with a tangible reward. make a plan to build the desired behavior. break the plan into smaller steps. establish a reward when those steps are met.
JeffMesser replies on Dec 31, 2018:
@VineetHonkan motivation is very hard for many of us. you shouldn't feel bad at all. your dilemma is a normal one. I once had a goal of going to Law School and my starting point was no undergraduate degree and serving in the military. It was so incredibly hard to be motivated with such a far-away goal. I just had to break it down to much smaller increments and establish a reward system. Then I had to give myself breaks ... both literally and figuratively. I am a certified slacker so I feel your pains!
Why is it hard to prove whether or not the homo erectus theory for China is valid?
psycheworks comments on Dec 30, 2018:
Well it sounds easy when you put it like that
JeffMesser replies on Dec 30, 2018:
exactly ... so shouldnt the "theory" already be confirmed or denied?
a question about homo erectus in china.
t1nick comments on Dec 29, 2018:
No doubt. A hominid landscape nothing like we see today. Let us not forget "Homo floresiensis" (Java hobbit man"). A local adaptation of Homo erectus erectus, or a different species of hominid altogether?
JeffMesser replies on Dec 29, 2018:
so little hobbit dude is pre erectus?
A social history question .
mkeaman comments on Dec 29, 2018:
Seems that the Denisovans had no trouble getting members of their population north (and maybe east) into Siberia and west to Spain. I would guess that they probably took up some space (at times) in the mid-lands also. Then again - that significant DNA ended up in indonesia, Philippines, Melanesia,...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 29, 2018:
no those are excellent points. maybe coastal routes? there seems to be a different dynamic at issue when we talk about denisovans. maybe some day we will figure out they were much different than ourselves and their DNA seemed to follow a whole different narrative than our own. I am starting to believe all the giant stories.
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JeffMesser comments on Dec 28, 2018:
extra what?
JeffMesser replies on Dec 28, 2018:
@joeymf86 nah, I don't like to making upper case letters when my shift key is all jacked up.
A social history question .
t1nick comments on Dec 28, 2018:
As I undetstand it. When hominds (pre-Neanderthal. and pre-Homo sapien), crossed onto the Middle East and up through Turkey. Around the Kiev area. their course diverged in three directions. One to the SE towards India and eastern China. A second to the NE and central and Northern China, and a ...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 28, 2018:
does this theory take into account the discovery of hominids in china in the 2.1-2.7 million years ago period?
A social history question .
brentan comments on Dec 28, 2018:
I have a great interest in this topic too. I think it's safe to assume we started off in Africa but I don't agree anymore that we moved from Africa and then became farmers and cultured people in the Middle East. I think the route took hundreds of thousands of years, people moved north as far as the ...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 28, 2018:
I will certainly be watching those! thank you!!
Need to rant: Sorry folks, I need to unload, and this seems like a good place to get things off ...
JeffMesser comments on Dec 25, 2018:
I feel ya. You and I share a common understanding of the world that they do not share. I believe in self-sacrifice. I believe that the common good is more important than the personal good. I believe in the all over the one. I am a "we" person as opposed to a "me" person. So are you. But we can't ...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 25, 2018:
@carlyhorton I hear that one all the time too. I explain that the programs are actually designed to protect the children involved and their complaint is one of enforcement of the rules and not justification of whether or not to feed small, hungry kids or starving senior citizens or handicapped.
Need to rant: Sorry folks, I need to unload, and this seems like a good place to get things off ...
JeffMesser comments on Dec 25, 2018:
I feel ya. You and I share a common understanding of the world that they do not share. I believe in self-sacrifice. I believe that the common good is more important than the personal good. I believe in the all over the one. I am a "we" person as opposed to a "me" person. So are you. But we can't ...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 25, 2018:
@carlyhorton we're all (as humans) still advancing from the split we made in the fertile crescent between farmers and hunter-gatherers. Our cultures and social makeups still reflect the divergence there. I do believe eventually we will all develop a jante-law like social mentality towards more egalitarianism and communal thought ... but thats thousands of years down the road and we're talking about decades or centuries of change here. when we homogenize more we will develop a more social demeanor (like ant colonies) if we survive as a species long enough.
Need to rant: Sorry folks, I need to unload, and this seems like a good place to get things off ...
JeffMesser comments on Dec 25, 2018:
I feel ya. You and I share a common understanding of the world that they do not share. I believe in self-sacrifice. I believe that the common good is more important than the personal good. I believe in the all over the one. I am a "we" person as opposed to a "me" person. So are you. But we can't ...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 25, 2018:
@carlyhorton most everything for the right revolves around feelings of security/insecurity. you have to get to the root of that insecurity which I often find is lack of exposure to other cultures.
Need to rant: Sorry folks, I need to unload, and this seems like a good place to get things off ...
JeffMesser comments on Dec 25, 2018:
I feel ya. You and I share a common understanding of the world that they do not share. I believe in self-sacrifice. I believe that the common good is more important than the personal good. I believe in the all over the one. I am a "we" person as opposed to a "me" person. So are you. But we can't ...
JeffMesser replies on Dec 25, 2018:
@carlyhorton check this out ... you're doing it wrong. Now I dont know about your particular family obviously so I am not saying you don't know them. But even from your response above it shows you're trying to think. Silly person!!! You don't go with thoughts and logic and reasoning. You have to approach it in terms of emotions and gut feelings. Tell them you can get their feelings and ::belch:; here are mine flayed out for all to see. Both of us may have to suffer. Thats called diplomacy.
That kinda day.
JeffMesser comments on Nov 20, 2018:
chili spaghetti is good. ask all of Cincinnati.
JeffMesser replies on Nov 21, 2018:
@MountMadness meh, it's made with meat and sauce. I know a couple of places who specifically make sweet cincinnati chili for like fries and other for regular chili stuff. I also know people who use cinnamon and cocoa in their regular chili recipe. It's truly not as far off as you'd think when you start tasting some of the sauces and mole's of Mexico. Plus the public schools in Oklahoma and Texas back in the 70's often made it that way so they could use it for sloppy joes as well.
Is socialism bad for the USA?
cava comments on Sep 16, 2018:
To the extent that it enables government to encroach on our lives, our freedoms, it is bad; but to the extent that it preserves, saves and betters our lives, it is good.
JeffMesser replies on Sep 16, 2018:
@cava no. socialism is not defined as by where power resides. it is defined by who receives the benefit.
Is socialism bad for the USA?
cava comments on Sep 16, 2018:
To the extent that it enables government to encroach on our lives, our freedoms, it is bad; but to the extent that it preserves, saves and betters our lives, it is good.
JeffMesser replies on Sep 16, 2018:
@cava just because the nazis called themselves socialists doesn't mean they were socialists. they were strictly authoritarian. "The structure of state control" is not the predictor of social form. The question is: are policies designed to benefit the masses or some person/group. Nationalism is not socialism. Nationalism is authoritarianism. The nazi party only used the word socialist because it was a buzzword of the day.
Is socialism bad for the USA?
cava comments on Sep 16, 2018:
To the extent that it enables government to encroach on our lives, our freedoms, it is bad; but to the extent that it preserves, saves and betters our lives, it is good.
JeffMesser replies on Sep 16, 2018:
I dont understand this philosophy at all. It's as if some people just don't want to acknowledge the fact that we live in close proximity to others. Why don't you ALL read Rousseau? If you're going to be involved in a social order then you automatically accept a social contract ... with that agreement being that you ALL accept that some of your freedoms might be curtailed to the extent that they collide with that of others. You no longer have the unfettered right to swing your fist or listen to your music as loud as possible next to others.
Would you pay someone to date you?
JeffMesser comments on Sep 12, 2018:
IF you learn to cook well, smoke good weed, and give a decent handjob then there's no reason to pay. Many a male would gladly spend his time with you because in the end that's all they are looking for.
JeffMesser replies on Sep 12, 2018:
@Deb57 I agree with you. I have no need or desire for any of that crap.
What else do you feel money can't buy?
Novelty comments on Aug 26, 2018:
Poverty
JeffMesser replies on Aug 26, 2018:
apparently you've never seen the new ripped jeans
I'm not a big country fan but Keith Urbans tribute to the Bee Gees was really good.
KKGator comments on Aug 24, 2018:
Disco wasn't all bad. The Bee Gees had a lot of good music during that era. Who cares if anyone judges? You like what you like. Besides, disco was great for dancing!
JeffMesser replies on Aug 24, 2018:
disco was entertaining music. I was too young to know the nightlife of disco but I have heard it was pure debauchery.
How many Nam vets does it take to screw in a light bulb?
powder comments on Aug 20, 2018:
How many dyslexics does it take to change a lectery blub?
JeffMesser replies on Aug 21, 2018:
illiterate dyslexics I take it
Is it any wonder I've got ...
CallMeDave comments on Aug 19, 2018:
It's parsley your own fault
JeffMesser replies on Aug 19, 2018:
there's really no reason to assign blame. we are all guilty. Let he cast the first stone who has no cinnamon gus.
Is it any wonder I've got ...
mcgeo52 comments on Aug 19, 2018:
Are you expecting me to make some sage remark about this?
JeffMesser replies on Aug 19, 2018:
sure, we can make a dill over that.
Think about this now. How long do you think you could go without judging someone?
JeffMesser comments on Jul 31, 2018:
talk of not judging someone is such a bunch of crap. we have no choice but to judge people. our minds do it automatically in the subconscious and our bodies respond ... even before our conscious mind has time to make any evaluation. you have to dig deep deeeeeeep into the recesses of the mind and ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 31, 2018:
@MsDemeanour I agree with this with the exception of the part where you act as though we can think our way out of it. 5 seconds or not doesn't change the body alterations that have already happened as the limbic system responded bypassing the PmFC. your body chemistry has been effected which changes you physically AND mentally before the executive control center even gets a swipe at it. Thats not to say you can't eventually control your actions, but your views are skewed a bit.
Think about this now. How long do you think you could go without judging someone?
JeffMesser comments on Jul 31, 2018:
talk of not judging someone is such a bunch of crap. we have no choice but to judge people. our minds do it automatically in the subconscious and our bodies respond ... even before our conscious mind has time to make any evaluation. you have to dig deep deeeeeeep into the recesses of the mind and ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 31, 2018:
@billy11 well I am not you. you give your answer and I will give mine. we both get to think for ourselves ... isn't it a wonderful world? It would be so boring if everyone thought the same things all the time.
It is amazing how many folks on agnostic.
JeffMesser comments on Jul 27, 2018:
what amazes ME is how all of you think everyone else is somehow wrong.
JeffMesser replies on Jul 27, 2018:
@CoastRiderBill then you dont know the vedas. well, more specifically the upanishads. parts of the vedas are silly. I pay them no mind.
It is amazing how many folks on agnostic.
JeffMesser comments on Jul 27, 2018:
what amazes ME is how all of you think everyone else is somehow wrong.
JeffMesser replies on Jul 27, 2018:
@RoadGlider I'm not supporting religion. I support the vedas.
It is amazing how many folks on agnostic.
JeffMesser comments on Jul 27, 2018:
what amazes ME is how all of you think everyone else is somehow wrong.
JeffMesser replies on Jul 27, 2018:
@CoastRiderBill so you think we have science nailed down? b/w the double slit experiment and microtubule research you might wanna rethink that position.
Why are there so many people who are lonely?
JeffMesser comments on Jul 25, 2018:
because people are too busy being something they're not instead of being themselves. when they finally figure that out they're in their 50's or more and desperately trying to claw for a few years of much deserved fun.
JeffMesser replies on Jul 26, 2018:
@nicknotes well thank you! I have been working out and watching what I eat! Thats nice of you. I like women though.
Why are there so many people who are lonely?
JeffMesser comments on Jul 25, 2018:
because people are too busy being something they're not instead of being themselves. when they finally figure that out they're in their 50's or more and desperately trying to claw for a few years of much deserved fun.
JeffMesser replies on Jul 26, 2018:
@nicknotes sorry, I dont compare notes to others. my bad.
Hello everyone! I'm new to this site
JeffMesser comments on Jul 25, 2018:
enchantez! So ...come up to the lab and see what's on the slab I see you shiver in antici ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 25, 2018:
@brentan ...pation.
THE VERDICT IS IN: Straight women have less orgasms because their partners are clueless.
JeffMesser comments on Jul 25, 2018:
yes, because theyre SOoooooo forthcoming with the damn information. and it's not like you guys are just a wiz with the old johnson either. it's not tug o'war and that's not a doorknob.
JeffMesser replies on Jul 25, 2018:
@Fornax I grew up baptist. das masturbatung ist verboten! gehe mit einem stein spielen.
What’s something you’ve learned recently that you want to share?
JeffMesser comments on Jul 22, 2018:
I recently completed 20+ years of counseling, introspection, drugs, education, re-education, family investigation, and even the shedding of my old beliefs and adopting a new set in order to say "my mother and I did not develop the normal mother-child bond". This led to intense trust issues and a ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 22, 2018:
@Redcupcoffee my grandmother blamed it on herself. when my mom was born, during WWII, my grandma was working for the war effort and left mom with a elderly woman during the day barely 10 days after the birth. She was a young mother (24) and had little idea what to do anyway and her husband had just left her preggo and in New Orleans as the Army sent him off. My mom ended up acerbic and defensive all her life - quite different from my aunt and uncle who were born years later.
How many places have you lived in your lifetime?
JeffMesser comments on Jul 17, 2018:
OKC, OK Newcastle, OK Corpus Christie, Tx Alice, Tx. Odessa, Tx. Jowel, NM Enid, OK Norman, OK Edmond, OK Orlando, Fl Kings Bay, Ga Jacksonville, Fl Saratoga Springs, NY Virginia Beach, Va San Diego, Ca Alameda, Ca Treasure Island, Ca Port Orchard, Wa Seattle, Wa Moore, OK
JeffMesser replies on Jul 18, 2018:
@Stacey48 I was in the navy for awhile
Please finish this statement
Humanistheathen comments on Jul 17, 2018:
I think this is from the scene where Frankenfurter first meets Brad and Janet. But the list of names makes me think of the dinner scene. "Brad! Dr. Scott! Janet! Rocky!"
JeffMesser replies on Jul 17, 2018:
the mickey mouse roll call? janet, dr scott, janet, brad, rocky, ugh Not this scene.
Please finish this statement
evergreen comments on Jul 17, 2018:
Not really a statement - a couple folks from Rocky Horror Picture Show - yes ?
JeffMesser replies on Jul 17, 2018:
@evergreen then this should be very easy for you. starts with a "g"
Please finish this statement
evergreen comments on Jul 17, 2018:
Not really a statement - a couple folks from Rocky Horror Picture Show - yes ?
JeffMesser replies on Jul 17, 2018:
no cheating!
Why Buddhism?
ArdentAtheist comments on Jul 16, 2018:
“If science finds Buddhism to be wrong it is Buddhism that must change”, was the phrase that resonated with me most during the time I attended weekly teachings. For me that phrase became a mantra. It is the phrase that separates Buddhism from dogma and allowed me to see it as a practice and not...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 16, 2018:
exactly
Why Buddhism?
hankster comments on Jul 16, 2018:
but that doesn't explain to me "why Buddhism". because tolerance or adaptability? why any "ism"? don't misunderstand, I believe there's plenty of wisdom in the text, I like meditation, but that is not Buddhism. any comprehensive portrayal of reality by mankind, is bound to be fraught with questions ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 16, 2018:
buddhism is a philosophy. not a religion.
Why Buddhism?
AmelieMatisse comments on Jul 16, 2018:
He was a smart guy and this shows that the idea of Buddhist theory will not take precedence over scientific fact, which sure is a lot better than Christian dogma idiolgists
JeffMesser replies on Jul 16, 2018:
@ameliematisse He's still around ... I just like to use his first given name sometimes to show him as an individual person instead of just the 14th reincarnation of the Dalai Lama. This precedence as you call it is, in fact, a component of Buddhism as originally conceived by Shakyamuni Buddha. Everything changes so we should be attached to nothing. That attachment in the face of constant change creates suffering. This was one of the key components that drew me to Buddhist thought.
Reasons for racism?
AmelieMatisse comments on Jul 15, 2018:
I really enjoyed this post. Have You read David Eagleman's book The Brain? He speaks to a lot of this. The reward system that you speak of is also how that area assists in addictions as the more we use that pathway the stronger that pathway becomes and the weaker the neural pathway for overriding ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 16, 2018:
@AmelieMatisse I read that one. I also read the neuroplasticity book "The Mind That Changes" by Norman Doidge. Right now I am reading "Buddhist Biology: Ancient Eastern Wisdom meets Modern Western Science" by David P. Barash. I started the Hawkins book but it was a little dry for the moment. I will try it again after.
Reasons for racism?
AmelieMatisse comments on Jul 15, 2018:
I really enjoyed this post. Have You read David Eagleman's book The Brain? He speaks to a lot of this. The reward system that you speak of is also how that area assists in addictions as the more we use that pathway the stronger that pathway becomes and the weaker the neural pathway for overriding ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 15, 2018:
@AmelieMatisse I read The Brain. You're right about it. I will knock out the Hawkins book tomorrow. good recommendations!
Reasons for racism?
cmontes comments on Jul 15, 2018:
Racism and bias are taught and not a natural uncontrollable brain function. Children will play with eachother and never 'react' because racism isnt a inborn fear. It is taught and can be reversed. I see it all the time with people raised by racist families and they totally disagree and have even ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 15, 2018:
yes, it is learned. But that learned fear feeds into the limbic system responses so the same cycle is engaged. This is exactly the situation where meditation helps the most. As does education. But I feel it's also important to realize that there is an almost reflexive component so you can't just say they can "think" their way out of such initial reactions.
Reasons for racism?
AmelieMatisse comments on Jul 15, 2018:
I really enjoyed this post. Have You read David Eagleman's book The Brain? He speaks to a lot of this. The reward system that you speak of is also how that area assists in addictions as the more we use that pathway the stronger that pathway becomes and the weaker the neural pathway for overriding ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 15, 2018:
I will check that out now. thx!
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JeffMesser comments on Jul 11, 2018:
are you promoting this ignorant tripe?
JeffMesser replies on Jul 13, 2018:
@Captain_Feelgood so you think the government is supposed to ask you where they spend every dime? you are in serious need of a better education.
Hahaha... loves these cartoons... [youtube.]
JeffMesser comments on Jul 11, 2018:
are you promoting this ignorant tripe?
JeffMesser replies on Jul 13, 2018:
@Captain_Feelgood so you acknowledge that you benefit from socialism ... it's just the type you agree with huh? My point is moot? Dude you have a serious dunning-kruger problem.
Hahaha... loves these cartoons... [youtube.]
JeffMesser comments on Jul 11, 2018:
are you promoting this ignorant tripe?
JeffMesser replies on Jul 13, 2018:
@Captain_Feelgood do you think you, alone, are protecting your family and your/their property rights? Who do you think provides the market and infrastructure you use to survive? Do you seriously think you are the sole means of support for yourself and your family??
Hahaha... loves these cartoons... [youtube.]
JeffMesser comments on Jul 11, 2018:
are you promoting this ignorant tripe?
JeffMesser replies on Jul 13, 2018:
@Captain_Feelgood if my gun is bigger than yours then what prevents me from walking into your home and taking everything you have ... including your home?
Hahaha... loves these cartoons... [youtube.]
JeffMesser comments on Jul 11, 2018:
are you promoting this ignorant tripe?
JeffMesser replies on Jul 13, 2018:
@Krish55 believing "socialism is socialism, period" is just ignorance. when you've been shown and told your knowledge is lacking and you still keep believing the same way and saying it as fact ... it's called being "delusional". It's a mental deficiency.
What's everyone mad at today?
JeffMesser comments on Jul 11, 2018:
oh wait ... I have one. Betsy DeVos. She and her family have a deep financial interest in this christian "adoption" agency (Bethany Christian Services). This place won a government contract to host the children of asylum refugees separated by this new "zero tolerance" policy of Trumps' at a rate of ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 13, 2018:
@Redcupcoffee infuriating.
Hahaha... loves these cartoons... [youtube.]
JeffMesser comments on Jul 11, 2018:
are you promoting this ignorant tripe?
JeffMesser replies on Jul 11, 2018:
@Krish55 yet another conservative who thinks "socialism" is some boogie man word with eerie powers. the whole lot of you should be required to go to school before opening your pieholes in public on the matter again. you have to strike a balance between social programs and capitalism. YOU benefit from socialism daily in our infrastructure. Thats "socialism" too. Ideally you try to take advantage of purchasing en mass for pricing benefits to help your entire public while also allowing for enough private enterprise to spur technology and growth. Relying on ideology hit pieces does nothing but make it harder to achieve the DIPLOMACY we need to strike the balance. You don't want these wild, dramatic shifts every 8 years because the inconsistency wears on operations overall. Trust me, I've approached it from the public government aspect. These wild swings play hell with training, admin, education, and a litany of other concrete problems. LEARN something instead of going around citing crap like this.
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JeffMesser comments on Jul 11, 2018:
are you promoting this ignorant tripe?
JeffMesser replies on Jul 11, 2018:
@Captain_Feelgood I will assume that's your way of saying yes. I will also continue to call a spade a spade and stick to labeling this as tripe.
What's everyone mad at today?
JeffMesser comments on Jul 11, 2018:
oh wait ... I have one. Betsy DeVos. She and her family have a deep financial interest in this christian "adoption" agency (Bethany Christian Services). This place won a government contract to host the children of asylum refugees separated by this new "zero tolerance" policy of Trumps' at a rate of ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 11, 2018:
@Redcupcoffee they refuse to speak to anyone. I saw them taking those kids into the garage of the home they are staying at in Detroit. They happened to have film of that on TV on CNN I believe it was. $700/day. It just blows my mind how they rip off the American taxpayers and act all cavalier about it.
What's everyone mad at today?
JeffMesser comments on Jul 11, 2018:
oh wait ... I have one. Betsy DeVos. She and her family have a deep financial interest in this christian "adoption" agency (Bethany Christian Services). This place won a government contract to host the children of asylum refugees separated by this new "zero tolerance" policy of Trumps' at a rate of ...
JeffMesser replies on Jul 11, 2018:
@Redcupcoffee this will help you start https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/26/bethany-christian-services-family-separation-betsy-devos/
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JeffMesser comments on Jul 5, 2018:
it's the nature of humans to fear anything different.
JeffMesser replies on Jul 5, 2018:
@evidentialist well, you may be as tired of it as you like but it is a fact. I am tired of world hunger and poverty. I am sorry but your entire diatribe speaks of someone who doesn't understand the human mind at all. We constantly do things that are inherently bad for us physically, mentally and/or socially. I useta think that education should just eradicate it all - but it doesn't. It does help alleviate some of it, but it doesn't take away initial reactions ... those take a long time and a lot of practice to get past if the person can at all. Often we are unaware that our emotions have already been triggered before we even had a chance to react so your whole "think past it" scheme never works. The executive portion of the brain (pre-frontal cortex) hasn't even received information as our amygdala has already activated the adrenaline and put us in our fight or flight mode - which itself changes our emotions. So dont be mad at the people and call them just weak. It is part of our design for the body to respond to danger even before we can make rational or logical thought. Stay up on your modern psychology. namaste.
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Palindromeman comments on Jul 3, 2018:
Thank you God. Over to Tim Minchin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeWPScnolo
JeffMesser replies on Jul 3, 2018:
love this guy. I also dig the 3 minute song and this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn6gV2sdl38
Undeniable Miracle - YouTube
Ellatynemouth comments on Jul 3, 2018:
This is a joke? Surely.... It must be a joke.
JeffMesser replies on Jul 3, 2018:
nooooooo ... go to africa and watch the christian churches there. this is pretty much par for the course.
“Letting yourself be overtaken by negative emotions leads to suffering.
AmelieMatisse comments on Jul 2, 2018:
I meditate about 20 minutes every day. Also when a thought that is negative comes up in my head I take a deep breath and ask - What is going on right now? Can I let this experience just be? I'm not saying it is easy for me though.
JeffMesser replies on Jul 2, 2018:
It IS a hard struggle. I do the vipassana thing daily and I can maintain objectivity and distance on a great many things. But I am really hard-pressed to find my compassion and understanding for some political issues. I know I shouldnt engage but I let my ego have an influence in my decision and thats just what I do. Then I feel guilty about it afterward. I have noticed it helps a bit to find the same issue in yourself that you see festering in the person addressing you. There is a process I try to follow overall though: 1. exercise self-control. maintain that objectivity and don't succumb to ego. Damyata. 2. be willing to take the first step in the solution. Datta. 3. show compassion. Dayadhvam. Damyata Datta Dayadhvam. From the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad and T.S. Eliot's epic poem "Wasteland".
If someone was to start an atheist church, would you attend?
Kanda comments on Jan 21, 2018:
Nah. I have a group of atheist friends on Facebook. We get together to go to bars and have house parties. I have no interest in any kind of church.
JeffMesser replies on Jul 1, 2018:
@Kanda the tulsa people still do. the OKC people suck more.
If someone was to start an atheist church, would you attend?
Kanda comments on Jan 21, 2018:
Nah. I have a group of atheist friends on Facebook. We get together to go to bars and have house parties. I have no interest in any kind of church.
JeffMesser replies on Jul 1, 2018:
I know those people!
All I can say about the people on here.
JeffMesser comments on Jun 30, 2018:
dude ... you need better weed man. or more of it.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 30, 2018:
@Qiru .... I dont know ... words you use like butthurt, militant, and mad?
All I can say about the people on here.
JeffMesser comments on Jun 30, 2018:
dude ... you need better weed man. or more of it.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 30, 2018:
@Qiru not if you're carrying that kind of anger.
You know what makes me incredibly sad?
JeffMesser comments on Jun 28, 2018:
Ole Yeller makes me sad.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 28, 2018:
@CeliaAnne best doggone dog in the west. just ask fess parker.
Oklahoma wasn't the very last state to legalize medical marijuana.
JeffMesser comments on Jun 27, 2018:
the OKC/Tulsa stoner vote was strong. Those are MY peeps.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 27, 2018:
@Leatherwing you mean norman lamb's son from enid who I useta throw the football with while his sister fawn practiced twirling at the EHS practice field? thank goodness he didnt make a runoff.
How would you describe karma and it’s effects on people?
LuckyCharms comments on Jun 27, 2018:
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 27, 2018:
just because something follows doesnt make the predecessor the cause. thats a fallacy in logic.
How would you describe karma and it’s effects on people?
LenHazell53 comments on Jun 26, 2018:
Social version of Newton's third law? Be an arsehole people will treat you like an arsehole, be friendly you will likely make friends, be miserable and people will keep away from you, result you'll be lonely and even more miserable.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 27, 2018:
@LenHazell53 I havent had enough time for iran history. still working on the Indus valley.
How would you describe karma and it’s effects on people?
LenHazell53 comments on Jun 26, 2018:
Social version of Newton's third law? Be an arsehole people will treat you like an arsehole, be friendly you will likely make friends, be miserable and people will keep away from you, result you'll be lonely and even more miserable.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 27, 2018:
@LenHazell53 I am refining my understanding of secular buddhism with current scientific and sociological knowledge. Included in that is a study on the common roots of vedic and abrahamic philosophies.
How would you describe karma and it’s effects on people?
LenHazell53 comments on Jun 26, 2018:
Social version of Newton's third law? Be an arsehole people will treat you like an arsehole, be friendly you will likely make friends, be miserable and people will keep away from you, result you'll be lonely and even more miserable.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 26, 2018:
@LenHazell53 it's cool. Here's the thing about using other words. It's soooo confusing. It's hard enough being a westerner trying to dig through asian libraries to research asian philosophies and writings from thousands of years ago. Then you have generation upon generation of "venerable" teachers who use some of their own words. Then you're deciphering from sanskrit to pali to hindi to the queen's english to american english. Now throw in the incredible modern science differential as western biology and psych contradicts with the Buddha and the Vedas. You have to carefully consider every persons' little spin and twist trying to figure out what concept you understand that they're actually talking about. Because you guys may have the same word in mind, but not the same explanation. Such has been my hell the last 10+ years digging through the Vedas (and specifically the Upanishads) and the Dhammapadda and the Bhagavad Gita. I am sure it's more explanation than you ever wanted - just trying to explain the context of why I keep saying other words.
How would you describe karma and it’s effects on people?
LenHazell53 comments on Jun 26, 2018:
Social version of Newton's third law? Be an arsehole people will treat you like an arsehole, be friendly you will likely make friends, be miserable and people will keep away from you, result you'll be lonely and even more miserable.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 26, 2018:
@LenHazell53 I disagree with you there because it's not just a semantic term. There actually IS a momentum effect. We tend to forget that those accompanying factors that activate as a result of some action we took also act back upon the original action to lengthen its' effects. It's like using that hand crank on the old Evel Knievel toy motorcycles. Once you stop cranking the handwheel keeps turning even without your power because the gears inside keep it moving after you are done. It's the momentum of those other factors.
How would you describe karma and it’s effects on people?
LenHazell53 comments on Jun 26, 2018:
Social version of Newton's third law? Be an arsehole people will treat you like an arsehole, be friendly you will likely make friends, be miserable and people will keep away from you, result you'll be lonely and even more miserable.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 26, 2018:
very close. much closer than others. karma is the momentum created by the other factors that happen to surround the original impetus in question. people try to act like it is some cosmic retribution and thats just a misunderstanding that has not been corrected because Buddhists and Hindus don't like to correct people.
How would you describe karma and it’s effects on people?
Charles1971 comments on Jun 26, 2018:
Karma is a nice idea, but complete fantasy. So, it has no real affect on anyone. I suppose it could have a sort of placebo effect on people who believe in such nonsense.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 26, 2018:
::buzzer sound:: thanks for playing. The correct answer is karma affects everyone. Karma is nothing more than the momentum of other variables carrying some action or effect onward despite the original impetus being halted. For example ... if you get super angry and your body chemistry changes and people around you are put on edge then the situation continues even past your anger thanks to the involvement of your adrenaline and the defensive attitude of others. This whole thing about karma being some sort of universal retribution is a bunch of hooey. But the idea of karma overall is not. The problem is people accept the incorrect "street version" of its' understanding.
Of course I had to have some fun on the Red Hen fb page.
Renickulous comments on Jun 24, 2018:
Lol who are you defending? The owner or people trying to eat?
JeffMesser replies on Jun 25, 2018:
@Renickulous gay people marry to receive the same legal benefits as hetero-married couples AND because it is equality so they should be ale to do so. Objecting to that is sketchy in any fashion IMO. Shouldnt matter if they chose to be gay or were born that way.
Of course I had to have some fun on the Red Hen fb page.
Renickulous comments on Jun 24, 2018:
Lol who are you defending? The owner or people trying to eat?
JeffMesser replies on Jun 25, 2018:
@archer5691 dude I dont think you're aware of how intense some of these racists are here in the deep south and SW of the US. Shop owners are putting up "no gays" signs. I've seen the signs with my own eyes. In person. Inside the door. Right here in OKC. A guy in Enid won't serve democrats at his restaurant.
I stay away from political arguments on FB, but I'm getting really frustrated with people blindness!...
archer5691 comments on Jun 24, 2018:
Buuuuuuuut.....are any of the "victims" in question in the U.S. ILLEGALLY???......THAT is the salient issue. All the rest is just emotional smokescreen......LAWS.....and their enforcement.... are not altered because of an emotional reaction to them. Now if it is Trump who is breaking the ...
JeffMesser replies on Jun 25, 2018:
@archer5691 ahhh, ok. a canadian. my bad. US laws have a separation of powers inherent within their application. They are written by the legislation, administered by the executive, and interpreted by the judiciary. Policy (which determines application) is up to the President. He is the executive branch leader. But this apparatus doesn't work in emergent situations. In emergencies the executive is given autonomous authority and then judged for it in hindsight - like we're doing now.
I stay away from political arguments on FB, but I'm getting really frustrated with people blindness!...
archer5691 comments on Jun 24, 2018:
Buuuuuuuut.....are any of the "victims" in question in the U.S. ILLEGALLY???......THAT is the salient issue. All the rest is just emotional smokescreen......LAWS.....and their enforcement.... are not altered because of an emotional reaction to them. Now if it is Trump who is breaking the ...
JeffMesser replies on Jun 24, 2018:
You guys should learn more about how laws are applied before opening up so hard with this line. Some people write it, some people interpret it, and some people enforce it. Those 3 activities are split on purpose and spoken of at length by our founding fathers as well as political pundits for centuries. I have to remind people near daily that criminal charges are brought by the state ... not the alleged victim. Just because the wife you beat on doesn't want to pursue charges does not mean a case is automatically dismissed. It is the state's decision ... the government ... and specifically the EXECUTIVE branch. Trump controls the spigot. He relies on people like you using your heart instead of your brain to pass the buck on blame. You're empowering him.
I'm a better Christian than most Christians and I'm an atheist.
BestWithoutGods comments on Jun 19, 2018:
It is easier to be an ethical person as an atheist. As a christian, my motivation to be good was to avoid the wrath of god. Fear is not a good motivation. And ethics, or morality, was defined as what god commands. When I became an atheist, I had to redefine ethics and morality. It took a lot of ...
JeffMesser replies on Jun 24, 2018:
thats a good description. I give that an A+
Has anybody ever noticed things start to happen for you that you once cared about when you stop ...
JeffMesser comments on Jun 19, 2018:
Our perception of time passing changes based upon our focus. it's a biological fact.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 19, 2018:
@Beach_slim exactly. touche!
I’m not saying I’m smarter than Steve Jobs but, I would have made the iPhone charger cable about...
JeffMesser comments on Jun 19, 2018:
Get an after-market cord.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 19, 2018:
@Duke I dont do the cheap ones. I go to the battery place and they sell me a high quality cord that works. go to amazon and check out the on-sale cords. many of them are excellent.
What was coming up in today’s meditation was the idea that the more you meditate the more you ...
JeffMesser comments on Jun 15, 2018:
I find it interesting that so many from the west wish to seek help from meditation now, but they don't give thought to the rest of vedic teaching. Meditation, historically, is a very small part of Buddhist/Hindu practice.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 17, 2018:
@ArdentAtheist my apologies ardent. that wasn't specifically directed at you. there seems to be this idea in the west that all there is to gain from vedic teachings is the use of meditation. it baffles me.
INTRODUCTIONS if you please.
tsacrey comments on May 25, 2018:
I first had my interest peaked in mindfulness meditation by Sam Harris in his book Waking Up. I then expanded my reading to more esoteric books like On Having No Head by Douglas Harding and mainstream ones like Basic Mindfulness by Jon Kabat Zinn. I started practicing a few years ago, beginning ...
JeffMesser replies on Jun 17, 2018:
i've always wondered if it is piqued or peaked because either works. namaste.
INTRODUCTIONS if you please.
Denker comments on Jun 8, 2018:
Gassho to all the worthy people here. I’ve been studying Buddhism for about 4 years and have a fairly in depth knowledge of the streams of Buddhism and a more superficial one of other Eastern religions and practices from Tao through to Yoga, Sufism and beyond. I grew up surrounded by Eastern ...
JeffMesser replies on Jun 17, 2018:
self or no self?
What was coming up in today’s meditation was the idea that the more you meditate the more you ...
JeffMesser comments on Jun 15, 2018:
I find it interesting that so many from the west wish to seek help from meditation now, but they don't give thought to the rest of vedic teaching. Meditation, historically, is a very small part of Buddhist/Hindu practice.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 16, 2018:
@ArdentAtheist I followed much the same in that regard. The Buddha stated to become the best you you can become ... not the best buddhist. But that also presupposes that you actually are open enough to listen. I have dealt with enough decades of close-minded Buddhist spirituality from the Tibetans, the Thai, the Sri Lankans, the Mahayana, and even a few relatively racist Theravadan to see when close-mindedness sets in. Luckily the nice lady at the Kopan monastery taught me to see past their faults from the beginning. As with all the ceremonial claptrap of the vedas you must figure out where to set your filter so as not to throw out the kaka with the canon. I am afraid you have glossed over some of the better attributes of Indian psychology that we are only starting to touch here in the west.
Hi can you add a caption to this photo?
JeffMesser comments on Jun 15, 2018:
::Jimmy Stewart voice:: "I object your honor ... the defense is treating this jury like a bunch of clowns" ::/Jimmy Stewart voice::
JeffMesser replies on Jun 16, 2018:
@Hitchens I do an excellent jimmy stewart and a likewise excellent kate hepburn
In Nearly Every Country, Young People Are Way Less Religious Than Adults [patheos.com]
Matias comments on Jun 16, 2018:
The old dream of many atheists is still alive: that some day (maybe even in the near future) religion will be gone, like the dinosaurs or the trilobites... Face it, folks.... that won't happen.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 16, 2018:
it changes relatively quickly on a sociological scale ... let's say 200 years. thats nothing ... except to humans it is 19 generations and 3 full lifetimes. so it is our physical frailty to blame - but if we lived longer it would take longer. the whole idea is all the old thinkers are dead and not further influencing.
Ah drugs Lsd, pcp, cocaine, meth, heroin, ex, shrooms.
JeffMesser comments on Jun 16, 2018:
So being agnostic taught you nothing about being open-minded? I pity you and your kansas demeanor.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 16, 2018:
@LadyAlyxandrea please. work criminal defense for 30 years. if you can't muster compassion then you have NO place in health care and should get out of it.
Would you befriend a felon?
LiterateHiker comments on Jun 15, 2018:
No, I would not befriend a felon. In my 20's a friend gave me a ride. I felt shocked when he stopped at a felon's house to buy marijuana. It was a frightening experience. I had never seen a person with such cold eyes. The man never smiled and had a pistol. He seemed menacing and evil. We were ...
JeffMesser replies on Jun 15, 2018:
@LiterateHiker damyata datta dayadhvam
Would you befriend a felon?
LiterateHiker comments on Jun 15, 2018:
No, I would not befriend a felon. In my 20's a friend gave me a ride. I felt shocked when he stopped at a felon's house to buy marijuana. It was a frightening experience. I had never seen a person with such cold eyes. The man never smiled and had a pistol. He seemed menacing and evil. We were ...
JeffMesser replies on Jun 15, 2018:
@LiterateHiker "the felon"? they're PEOPLE. propagating a caste system does no one any favors in the long run.
Would you befriend a felon?
LiterateHiker comments on Jun 15, 2018:
No, I would not befriend a felon. In my 20's a friend gave me a ride. I felt shocked when he stopped at a felon's house to buy marijuana. It was a frightening experience. I had never seen a person with such cold eyes. The man never smiled and had a pistol. He seemed menacing and evil. We were ...
JeffMesser replies on Jun 15, 2018:
oh no ... not a FELON!??!! He might smoke some of the debils weed and go wild with reefer madness. You people need to mix classes a bit.
For the military history buffs.
Bigwavedave comments on Jun 12, 2018:
Sure capture Gibraltar and seal off the med
JeffMesser replies on Jun 12, 2018:
I just saw a little special about Gibraltar. They just had this one old cannon. But it kicked serious ass for them.
This is what scares me
MissKathleen comments on Jun 11, 2018:
Certainly IS scary
JeffMesser replies on Jun 11, 2018:
what certainty is that?
There are scientists doing research on religion (anthropologists, cognitive and social ...
DonThiebaut comments on Jun 11, 2018:
How have you arrived at the conclusion that there are zero religious researchers who view religion as a negative?
JeffMesser replies on Jun 11, 2018:
the Dalai Lama considers religion positive and important despite being secular himself
There are scientists doing research on religion (anthropologists, cognitive and social ...
EdEarl comments on Jun 11, 2018:
Agnostics and atheists who escape their familial religions suffer from culture shock, and often feel shunned and abused by their family and its congregation. If you want to understand the lack of "intersection between these two groups," I believe it starts when a young mind realizes the hypocrisy ...
JeffMesser replies on Jun 11, 2018:
I wrote about this anger also. I think it's common for the newly agnostic/atheist to feel betrayal and extreme anger with religion. When you finally gain some objectivity and start seeing the religions for what they truly are ... it's often rather aggravating and, in fact, contemptuous. You even feel scorn for those still stuck in the mire of religion and not able to see what you finally do. But that's just objectivity level 1. When you finally garner your new personal operating system you will also start to see religion as just one of many different tools to accomplish similar objectives. This is where the Dalai Lama says he acknowledges the usefulness and even a need for religion. I believe he means in the present more than the past - even though we do see current tragedies carried out in the name of modern religion. This is where I see the vedic approach superior. It can swallow up the religious under the same umbrella that we all share. Their paths were merely different but led to the same destination. They chose ... poorly.
You would think by now I'd know which posts on Twitter to walk away from so I don't see stupid shit ...
JeffMesser comments on Jun 10, 2018:
Abortion is a really tough one. I certainly want to respect the wishes of women vis a vis their own bodies, but at the same time the sanctity of life must be considered. Not having a particularly cheery after-life prospectus makes this troublesome for the secular. For us the sanctity of what life we...
JeffMesser replies on Jun 10, 2018:
@buzz13 so now we're deciding how good someone's life must potentially be before we let them live? come on
What's the mechanism by which an otherwise intelligent person believes in blessed trinities, virgin ...
JeffMesser comments on Jun 9, 2018:
The vedas were written thousands of years ago and they speak of reincarnation. so it has a long history.
JeffMesser replies on Jun 9, 2018:
@JimG it's relevant because they don't just come out and say "we'll be back". Thats not how it works and it's disingenuous to insinuate otherwise. The ideas make more sense when you discuss karma and resultant actions. It's simple and deceptive to dismiss something when you dont give it an adequate explanation.

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