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HankSherman comments on Feb 14, 2020:

Have long ago decided it is not something I want to invest more of my life, thought, time, or energy....time for the younger people to carry on the education of others.

Mcflewster replies on Feb 15, 2020:

We can all learn a lot from you including your patient support

One way of looking at it The lord gave us Jesus and he was anointed.

Marionville comments on Feb 14, 2020:

Unfortunately Boris and Cummings are not fictional characters!

Mcflewster replies on Feb 15, 2020:

That is why I implied that the people could get rid.

[msn.com] "would you buy a used car from this man?

Marionville comments on Feb 15, 2020:

He only needs one qualification to be Boris’s Chancellor and he definitely has it..........he’s a YES man!

Mcflewster replies on Feb 15, 2020:

He probably even wears Y front underpants!

Cabinet drama .

Marionville comments on Feb 13, 2020:

Rishi Sunak...appointed as new Chancellor! Yes..who’s he indeed...! MP for Richmond in Yorkshire, formerly the seat of William Hague. He’s been Chief Secretary to the Treasury since Javid became Chancellor. It’s widely seen as Number 10 annexing Number 11.

Mcflewster replies on Feb 14, 2020:

@Moravian He looks at Boris with such admiring eyes. A Yman indeed.

One way of looking at it The lord gave us Jesus and he was anointed.

Sofabeast comments on Feb 14, 2020:

He's not a political advisor, he's a very naughty boy!

Mcflewster replies on Feb 14, 2020:

@Petter Do you mean Life with Doris or Life of Brian?

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WilliamFleming comments on Feb 14, 2020:

Why not just live and let live? Let individuals choose the best route for themselves.

Mcflewster replies on Feb 14, 2020:

I do let philosophers live and let live even though they are not the way to get answers in life, but I canot allow science to be ignored when it is the key to many of life's problems if not all.

Getting a religious person to listen.

WilliamFleming comments on Feb 14, 2020:

If I engaged in a war of words I would be left tense and on edge. “No thanks, I’m not interested” works better for me.

Mcflewster replies on Feb 14, 2020:

I understand this especially if there are medical reasons . I get anxiety within my family. My efforts however and hopes are to eliminate those tensions in the future . Everything about this website is voluntary as far as I know and we do not use guilt ever as a tactic.

One way of looking at it The lord gave us Jesus and he was anointed.

Sofabeast comments on Feb 14, 2020:

He's not a political advisor, he's a very naughty boy!

Mcflewster replies on Feb 14, 2020:

A very, very naughty boy.

Can sex overcome religion? You know what I mean!

St-Sinner comments on Feb 12, 2020:

When sex is strong, religion take a low key in a relationship. When the sex takes the back seat, religion gets strong. Religion is the enemy of sex. We take God's name in vain during sex. We really do not mean to invoke God.

Mcflewster replies on Feb 14, 2020:

Suggesting an alternative to "Oh God" during sex may actually help some people who still continually invoke him. I have done it myself, I must confess. Somehow "Oh Aunt Jemima" is the only thing that comes quickly to mind.

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HankSherman comments on Feb 11, 2020:

But that doesn't explain the brother. I just figure its playing into the thugs mentality of "and I kill your family too".

Mcflewster replies on Feb 12, 2020:

Please say more about "the brother" .

There are many things that we can debate and argue over with religion.

QuidamOutrepont comments on Feb 10, 2020:

Too often, religion is a pilar of tyranny. Too often, tyrants rely on religion to oppress people.

Mcflewster replies on Feb 10, 2020:

Either as a church official or through an associated monarchy

I have been trying to help people across the world with their basic science questions.

Heraclitus comments on Oct 13, 2019:

Would have said essentially the same thing. Soap is a lubricant that looses dirt, whereas the cloth of the towel absorbs it. It is a transference process.

Mcflewster replies on Feb 7, 2020:

But why do people sometimes find it difficult to find for themselves an answer like that? . Is it just lack of knowledge or what?

There are many things that we can debate and argue over with religion.

towkneed comments on Feb 2, 2020:

Guilt

Mcflewster replies on Feb 2, 2020:

Feelings of guilt have no useful purpose

There are many things that we can debate and argue over with religion.

BufftonBeotch comments on Jan 29, 2020:

Manifest Destiny

Mcflewster replies on Jan 30, 2020:

This mystified me for a while - Would I be right in thinking that it is connected to everything having a pre-determined plan for the future?

There are many things that we can debate and argue over with religion.

Sticks48 comments on Jan 28, 2020:

The whole of it.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 29, 2020:

It IS difficult to separate a single one.

There are many things that we can debate and argue over with religion.

publius65 comments on Jan 28, 2020:

Complete and total submission to religious authorities under pain of perdition, and an unqualified belief their leaders are infallible in the total absence of evidence. Also, the sin fullness of skepticism and the whole renunciation of the use and authority of reason. Voltaire reflects this ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 29, 2020:

Said with feeling!!

There are many things that we can debate and argue over with religion.

Word comments on Jan 28, 2020:

Submit to Authority-666 pay taxes Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers. Nothing being done to provide free brick homes for everyone on Earth built by true masons: free from mortgage free from rent free from taxation free from governmental terrorism and free from religious ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 29, 2020:

I like your point about the masons.

There are many things that we can debate and argue over with religion.

Wollstonecraft comments on Jan 28, 2020:

The concept of sacredness...that some things are not to be questioned. Blind faith is too easily manipulated by the greedy and egoistic to serve very base human purposes, at horrific expense.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 29, 2020:

sacred means 'Keep away' do not TRY to alter

There are many things that we can debate and argue over with religion.

anglophone comments on Jan 28, 2020:

The most damaging effect is not obvious: it is the sometimes catastrophic impairment of the pre-frontal cortex part of the brain as somebody is growing up. As a result, the ability to engage in cognitive flexibility is lost, which means that they accept as true any bullshit that their parents tell ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 29, 2020:

'Get 'em young' is their motto.

There are many things that we can debate and argue over with religion.

motrubl4u comments on Jan 28, 2020:

Indoctrination

Mcflewster replies on Jan 29, 2020:

Clear and straight to the point. Ignoring evidence enables this. Thinking that other persons cannot think out what they are selling enables this

There are many things that we can debate and argue over with religion.

LiterateHiker comments on Jan 28, 2020:

1. In many religions, females are subordinate and controlled by men. 2. Anti-abortion and against birth control. 3. Female genital mutilation. 4. Against educating women. The list goes on.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 29, 2020:

It is difficult to resist having a list.

There are many things that we can debate and argue over with religion.

DenoPenno comments on Jan 28, 2020:

One true god is sort of like one true Scotsman. I do not debate (at least not long and drawn out) because it proves nothing. I'm still surprised by the comment of the idiot in You Tube who wanted me to "give him proof" of why I no longer believe. I do not have to have proof for changing my mind due ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 29, 2020:

Your story shows that religionists are worried in part about lack of evidence

I am a recent widower and signed up on a dating site.

Deb57 comments on Jan 24, 2020:

I simply tell people that I'm not a believer. That usually doesn't get misunderstood, and their reactions are instant and tell you all you need to know.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 25, 2020:

@Deb57 That is our great challenge - to reach maximum human potential [Get Maximum potential DONE!!!]

I am a recent widower and signed up on a dating site.

Deb57 comments on Jan 24, 2020:

I simply tell people that I'm not a believer. That usually doesn't get misunderstood, and their reactions are instant and tell you all you need to know.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 24, 2020:

I understand how you feel and why, but it is not true that we do not believe in anything. Have list ready when someone finally gets sensitive enough to ask your beliefs are.

Is there any truth in this TED talk?

Flowerwall comments on Jan 14, 2020:

Oh wow, thinking about this just made me realize why I recently thought of an individual as having strong leadership abilities. I don't want to say who it is because I don't know enough about him, but my thoughts upon first hearing him speak were "One day President?" I could be completely wrong ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2020:

@Flowerwall Time for a new post?

The Proof: That God Exists There is a hierarchy in Animalia, not only as quantified by the DNA ...

Mcflewster comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Perhaps it is unfair to say that God is superior because he makes up the rules for being superior? No scientist says that anything is superior because they collectively work not only to see that all angles are covered but then they work together for collective agreement. Science does not work ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2020:

@GlyndonD You have obviously thought this out very well and naturally have been talking of the sytem in America. I have been talking of the UK situation which although parallel in some ways is so different as not to be really useful to our situations. It probably will not help you to say that I and many in UK actually fear the American systems of Religion vs Politics . Good luck and keep fighting.

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MrDMC comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Weather it is best or worse, people are like snow flakes. No two will ever sing from exactly the same sheet. For example, some wouldn't use these corny metaphors and some like these corny metaphors. I think that diversity is good. A group where all sing from the same sheet would be a very narrow ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 18, 2020:

@MrDMC I actually think that there are too many people in the world who fear religions when all we have to do is replace what they do with better. I do know that it sounds simple and that it is not.

The Proof: That God Exists There is a hierarchy in Animalia, not only as quantified by the DNA ...

Mcflewster comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Perhaps it is unfair to say that God is superior because he makes up the rules for being superior? No scientist says that anything is superior because they collectively work not only to see that all angles are covered but then they work together for collective agreement. Science does not work ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 18, 2020:

@GlyndonD I elect governments. Not fear them. I have no choice but to respect them or elect a better one. I fear misuse of democracy.

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ownworstenemy comments on Jan 16, 2020:

I disagree with the analogy. God's are mythical, government isn't. Many religion are largely designed to describe what happens to you in the afterlife, based on your beliefs. Government is a means to create order in actual life, by a consesus of opinions. Religion further wants to dictate your ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 18, 2020:

@Fred_Snerd You may not have this problem but in the UK we have lots of streets with lots of cars parked down each side of the road. The police said they loved this because it slowed the whole traffic down- often though to a standstill.

The Proof: That God Exists There is a hierarchy in Animalia, not only as quantified by the DNA ...

Mcflewster comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Perhaps it is unfair to say that God is superior because he makes up the rules for being superior? No scientist says that anything is superior because they collectively work not only to see that all angles are covered but then they work together for collective agreement. Science does not work ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 18, 2020:

@GlyndonD Sad Answer - no coment on its validity.

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MrDMC comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Weather it is best or worse, people are like snow flakes. No two will ever sing from exactly the same sheet. For example, some wouldn't use these corny metaphors and some like these corny metaphors. I think that diversity is good. A group where all sing from the same sheet would be a very narrow ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 18, 2020:

@MrDMC True! How do we get more together?

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DavidLaDeau comments on Jan 18, 2020:

We Americans like to dance to the beat of a different drum. The only thing we need to unite on is being accepted and normalizing agnosticism and atheism. That is all. Perhaps humanism might be what you are looking for.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 18, 2020:

This is why I posted in the first place - but no pressure.

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Davesnothere comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Never heard this "” Not singing from the same hymn-sheet ” I oft heard this "Not working off the same blueprints" "Do you think members of this agnostic ‘ choir ’ will ever ‘ sing ’ from the same printed sheet?" NO, because neither Agnosticism nor Atheism have dogma or tennets, or a...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2020:

@praytothemilkjug I agree but not quite equivalent. 'Hymn-sheet' suggests that there are several different versions of essentially the same hymn through different religions . ' Not on same page" [Of a single book - assumed ] suggest there is no communication because they are reading completely different ideas. Not really worth bothering with the difference though as the reading together or singing together has lost it usefulness with distraction.

The Proof: That God Exists There is a hierarchy in Animalia, not only as quantified by the DNA ...

Mcflewster comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Perhaps it is unfair to say that God is superior because he makes up the rules for being superior? No scientist says that anything is superior because they collectively work not only to see that all angles are covered but then they work together for collective agreement. Science does not work ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2020:

@GlyndonD fear is a tool of religionists. I have confidnce in Humans. Most powerful if everyone just stopped talking about any and every god.

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DenoPenno comments on Jan 15, 2020:

"Bringing In The Sheep." No, stupid. That's "Bringing In The Sheaves." You sing it your way and I will sing it mine.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2020:

@Davesnothere Thanks for that! Cannot think that the original sound was sung which is how it sounds on the video. How do they do that?

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maturin1919 comments on Jan 15, 2020:

Thou shalt not herd cats. The end.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2020:

@LatentumCattus My cats like the sound but they are fiussy about the contents. And Yes one cannot say anything about a particular cat that will apply to all cats - just like humans.

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girlwithsmiles comments on Jan 16, 2020:

I’m happy with level of cohesiveness 😊 it’s interesting and I’m learning. To what end would some manifesto be of benefit do you think?

Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2020:

@girlwithsmiles I chose this site above the Humanist site and yes I have found respect.

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Davesnothere comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Never heard this "” Not singing from the same hymn-sheet ” I oft heard this "Not working off the same blueprints" "Do you think members of this agnostic ‘ choir ’ will ever ‘ sing ’ from the same printed sheet?" NO, because neither Agnosticism nor Atheism have dogma or tennets, or a...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2020:

@Davesnothere I am with you on the critical thinking. It is worth the sacrifice to display critical thinking yourself and of your own self to encourage others.

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MrDMC comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Weather it is best or worse, people are like snow flakes. No two will ever sing from exactly the same sheet. For example, some wouldn't use these corny metaphors and some like these corny metaphors. I think that diversity is good. A group where all sing from the same sheet would be a very narrow ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2020:

Just to say I disagree - provided we have diversity watchdogs.

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Seeker3CO comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Nope. We are not united in anything other than seeking a place we can discuss any and all matters (wishful on that) without judgment from the religious masses who see nearly everything through their deity fogged lenses.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2020:

I understand the reasons for skepticism and freedom of spirit but IMO there are reasons to move on also

The Proof: That God Exists There is a hierarchy in Animalia, not only as quantified by the DNA ...

Mcflewster comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Perhaps it is unfair to say that God is superior because he makes up the rules for being superior? No scientist says that anything is superior because they collectively work not only to see that all angles are covered but then they work together for collective agreement. Science does not work ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2020:

@GlyndonD No comment except have no fear. In your words "makes me fear".

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brentan comments on Jan 15, 2020:

I must admit I don't think so and that may well be a very good thing! It keeps the conversion moving along.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

@brentan Humans do LIKE to organise themselves in the main. Do you want us to have an anti-organisation organisation?

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maturin1919 comments on Jan 15, 2020:

Thou shalt not herd cats. The end.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

@LatentumCattus Of course I am owned by two cats. Relationship IS servant and master. However they refused to contribute to this forum!

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Julie808 comments on Jan 15, 2020:

I think what sets agnostics apart from the religious choir is that we think for ourselves and find our own tune to add to the symphony. We may harmonize with others who think similarly, or are on the same wavelength, but very seldom do we find many who think exactly the same on the whole ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

This is good . Cannot wait to hear your composition.

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maturin1919 comments on Jan 15, 2020:

Thou shalt not herd cats. The end.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

@LatentumCattus That would be a tad nasty ? why use an example which would not work. For cats we do know what works? Do we?

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Bierbasstard comments on Jan 15, 2020:

I think one of the commonalities is that we are all individualistic.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

@Bierbasstard Distance not really a problem except that trust would develop quicker if both participants of a conversation are in the same room.

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girlwithsmiles comments on Jan 16, 2020:

I’m happy with level of cohesiveness 😊 it’s interesting and I’m learning. To what end would some manifesto be of benefit do you think?

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

Not ready fo a full manifesto yet. We need to establish some principles first e.g the value of science to everyone, not just scientists.

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Davesnothere comments on Jan 16, 2020:

Never heard this "” Not singing from the same hymn-sheet ” I oft heard this "Not working off the same blueprints" "Do you think members of this agnostic ‘ choir ’ will ever ‘ sing ’ from the same printed sheet?" NO, because neither Agnosticism nor Atheism have dogma or tennets, or a...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

I believe we could have positive views about a world view if we just stop telling everyone what we do not believe in and spread what we do believe in . Everyone can find something positve to believe in and it is not JC.

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Julie808 comments on Jan 15, 2020:

I think what sets agnostics apart from the religious choir is that we think for ourselves and find our own tune to add to the symphony. We may harmonize with others who think similarly, or are on the same wavelength, but very seldom do we find many who think exactly the same on the whole ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

Religionists only agree up to a point too.

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Gwendolyn2018 comments on Jan 15, 2020:

We will only sing from the same hymn page when all of us are brainwashed. That will not happen.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

Much prefer to brain refreshed than washed which implies "everything out"

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DenoPenno comments on Jan 15, 2020:

"Bringing In The Sheep." No, stupid. That's "Bringing In The Sheaves." You sing it your way and I will sing it mine.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

How about "Bringing in the THINKERS"?

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JohnnyQB comments on Jan 15, 2020:

I think most do sing from the same sheet of music when it pertains to the specific reason we are labeled or call ourselves Agnostic/Atheist,, And the only specific lyrics are ''Bring reason to the world'' That is the beauty of diversity, unless of course you are a theist with a guide book [sheet ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

I am not thinking of being preached at during this choirs performance of 'Hymns' But your main answer is good - in fact a collectoion of approaches to reason with practical advice written into the words of the 'song' would be good

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BitFlipper comments on Jan 15, 2020:

The closest thing I can think of to a hymnal might be "The Origin of Species" by Darwin.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2020:

Do you know of a (much)shortened version? i.e.what is its main message

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Shawno1972 comments on Jan 15, 2020:

How's it different from "not on the same page?"

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

It is the same just longer.

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LatentumCattus comments on Jan 15, 2020:

Unification typifies a common goal. A sports team works together to win the game. So, my question is "To what end?" Personally, I enjoy cacophony and caterwauling to the beat of my own trumpet.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

@LatentumCattus "competition and the adversarial process" Yes to that ......to produce a diversity of ideas which would be a requirement, but after picking on one idea, there should be harmony "to get the bill through both houses. .

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brentan comments on Jan 15, 2020:

I must admit I don't think so and that may well be a very good thing! It keeps the conversion moving along.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

You have" Hit the nail on the head "with regard my purpose. Should I not have tried?

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davknight comments on Jan 15, 2020:

Hmmm. Closest American expression I can think of, would be two people "not being on the same page".

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

Yes Similar. Should we be in the same page as most of the posters in teis agnostic site - and what are the most important things we could agree upon?

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BestWithoutGods comments on Jan 15, 2020:

My sheet music is this: Whenever missionaries addresses me, I ask for facts and evidence to back up what they say. Sometimes I show them evidence of false prophecies and contractions in the Bible. Some are more patient than others, but at some point, the missionaries will run away, never to contact...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

This is the first post that has even tried to look for common ground . which is what this post is about , although I did not express it very well. Well done for seeing through my mistakes

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LatentumCattus comments on Jan 15, 2020:

Unification typifies a common goal. A sports team works together to win the game. So, my question is "To what end?" Personally, I enjoy cacophony and caterwauling to the beat of my own trumpet.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

"To what end?" Simple Human Happiness that is all! Noisy or not

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Geoffrey51 comments on Jan 15, 2020:

Let’s hope it never comes to that. Everybody thinking the same would be awful. A bit like singing gods praises in Heaven because there is nothing better to do. Let’s hope some dissenting voices remain!

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

I WANT dissenting voices but some agreement in harmony for some of our writings

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sterlingdean comments on Jan 15, 2020:

We say 'not on the same sheet of music' for the same purposes. As for the 'choir', just remember that there is no harmony when only one note is sung.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

I did mention diversity and agree very much with it. I should have talked more about harmony.

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skado comments on Jan 15, 2020:

That will never happen, and probably shouldn't. But in the long run, being exposed to unfamiliar songs may influence us for the better.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

This reply starts at a low ebb and then gets better.

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maturin1919 comments on Jan 15, 2020:

Thou shalt not herd cats. The end.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

I have heard this one so often as an excuse. It would be a waste of time to try to herd cats. Just place bowl of good food where you want them to go and shut the door after them!

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KKGator comments on Jan 15, 2020:

I do not belong to a choir. Nor would I choose to sing from the same sheet, if I did. I'm also not agnostic. We are never ALL going to be on the same page. Personally, I don't believe we ever should.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

If you say no then it will not be everybody, but can it be that a lot do join together?

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Bierbasstard comments on Jan 15, 2020:

I think one of the commonalities is that we are all individualistic.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

I celebrate that myself but you can take that too far. We have common needs and troubles.

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Paddypereira comments on Jan 15, 2020:

Well, I can see what that saying means but, in general, I don't think it can be applied here. There are times to act like that but it depends on the situation. Speaking for myself, I avoid that.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

Surely there are lawyers that will do it for you if you ask nicely?

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aintmisbehaven comments on Jan 15, 2020:

an advantage would be to hold the toes of politicians in the fire, so to speak... get them to recognize atheists/agnostics in general and not pass legislation detrimental to us....

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

So what would be the words on your "Law passing sheet" Uk would call it a green paper??

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Jolanta comments on Jan 15, 2020:

That would plain boring if we all where singing from the same hymn-sheet, and me who cannot hold a tune.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

I did mention diversity as an anti bore. Humans telling their human stories can never be boring. If you can spend some time on or just thinking about human problems then , "You can hold a tune" on this non-hymn sheet.

Is there any truth in this TED talk?

JackPedigo comments on Jan 14, 2020:

More evidence of the "Peter Principle." https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/peter-principle.asp It comes with the territory and when people climb a ladder they often have a goal at the top. I once had a great history professor. He knew his stuff, taught in an unorthodox manner (but got great ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

Is the Peter principle not an indication that EACH organisation should be run by a set of competenant executives who gladly and smoothly share as many skills as avaiable - certainly enough for the organisation to run smoothly, and a 'super-chair' who sees to the balance of skills is maintained. The following is asked NOT because I am religious: Did Jesus have enough competent disciples? was he a 'super-chair'?

Is there any truth in this TED talk?

Flowerwall comments on Jan 14, 2020:

Oh wow, thinking about this just made me realize why I recently thought of an individual as having strong leadership abilities. I don't want to say who it is because I don't know enough about him, but my thoughts upon first hearing him speak were "One day President?" I could be completely wrong ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

Trust your intuition?

Is there any truth in this TED talk?

doug6352 comments on Jan 14, 2020:

The incompetent men are elect by a majority of the voters, and the majority is female.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 15, 2020:

I would like to click like for this answer because that is what I first felt. somehow I also immediately thought " But how would we prove this answer is true.

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

Flowerwall comments on Jan 8, 2020:

I really wish I knew the answer to the question. THE final answer.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 14, 2020:

@Flowerwall I mean that you have the best attitude to freethinking exploring and investigation of meaning by delving into words. That surely will eventually pay dividends and I just wish more people were like you. Best of luck in your journey.

Swearing makes up 3 percent of all adult conversation at work and 13 percent of all adult leisure ...

1of5 comments on Jan 11, 2020:

Is it the word or the concept? Are they cursing here? https://youtu.be/QPXsYOPex4s

Mcflewster replies on Jan 13, 2020:

@1of5 Thanks for the explanation. What I do know is that the human tongue will never be silenced or rather their ideas cannot be squashed. That applies equally to swearing so there must be some benefit from it - even though I cannot see it. How long does that "fork" business go on? It seemed a bit laboured to me, but it was in clips. It would make a good Monty Python sketch lasting 5 mins as a comparison of UK and US humors/Humours.

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

Flowerwall comments on Jan 8, 2020:

I really wish I knew the answer to the question. THE final answer.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 13, 2020:

@Flowerwall I am trying not to draw conclusions about your posts. 42 from Douglas Adams in his "Hitchikers Guide to the Universe" I am pretty sure was intend as a joke and the fact that it was simple was part of that joke. It worked on me and I have always liked "Hitchhicker's" books. What I do know is that you are very good about looking into data - preferably facts and trying to draw conclusions. I am sure that by doing that, one day you will discover something great and that should not go unnoticed.

Swearing makes up 3 percent of all adult conversation at work and 13 percent of all adult leisure ...

1of5 comments on Jan 11, 2020:

Is it the word or the concept? Are they cursing here? https://youtu.be/QPXsYOPex4s

Mcflewster replies on Jan 12, 2020:

This is just a few people living on the edge i.e. wanting to swear without being allowed to for some reason. It does not increase my respect for them or seem comical in any way - just childish.

Swearing makes up 3 percent of all adult conversation at work and 13 percent of all adult leisure ...

Bigwavedave comments on Jan 11, 2020:

How the hell would we f#####g know? ;)

Mcflewster replies on Jan 12, 2020:

@Bigwavedave Of course. I must not expect people to know at any time without being clearer. To myself: Repeat 100 times.

The best thing about being agnostic is knowing (as much as it is humanly possible) there is no hell.

Dougl35534 comments on Jan 11, 2020:

The story of hell was meant to control. Religion has always been about a few select attempting to control the masses. Heaven is the same thing....torment or pleasure. I want the pleasure so I'm going to let your control me and tell me what to do....

Mcflewster replies on Jan 11, 2020:

What makes you think that if anyone does what they are told they will get pleasure in return always?

Swearing makes up 3 percent of all adult conversation at work and 13 percent of all adult leisure ...

Bigwavedave comments on Jan 11, 2020:

How the hell would we f#####g know? ;)

Mcflewster replies on Jan 11, 2020:

Sorry if you are offended (If that is the meaning of your swearing). It is not my intention. I just look for meaning in everything and often - not always - I get to know something - in this case about human nature. Do you want to know what I get to KNOW?(IMO)

A very painful on-line, structured discussion. Can you follow the logic ? [kialo.com]

BitFlipper comments on Jan 9, 2020:

I like my circumcised penis.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 11, 2020:

@BitFlipper Fine!

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

Flowerwall comments on Jan 8, 2020:

I really wish I knew the answer to the question. THE final answer.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 11, 2020:

@Flowerwall You are obviously entitled to think of any fact or process as your guiding light - whatever "floats your boat". Please however explain what is meant by 'life force' and how any one number could be an example of it. I think that people choose 7 because it is 'not too big, not too small, and not in the exact middle (as in 'never sitting at the front of a lecture or classroom' thinking).

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

anglophone comments on Jan 9, 2020:

Part of my own truth is that there is no such thing as "the truth". Another part of my own truth is that the word "sacred" refers to religion. Yet another part of my own truth recognises that I have values. And yet another part of my own truth is that I have used a methodology (specifically, the ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 11, 2020:

@anglophone Yes I suppose it is what I mean. Until it is proven to be incorrect a conclusion of a science cycle could be taken as the truth.

A very painful on-line, structured discussion. Can you follow the logic ? [kialo.com]

BitFlipper comments on Jan 9, 2020:

I like my circumcised penis.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 11, 2020:

Fine but was it the result of your choice?

A message for Prince Harry about the Queen [youtu.

Marionville comments on Jan 11, 2020:

I remember singing this one myself!

Mcflewster replies on Jan 11, 2020:

It also applies to grandads

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

anglophone comments on Jan 9, 2020:

Part of my own truth is that there is no such thing as "the truth". Another part of my own truth is that the word "sacred" refers to religion. Yet another part of my own truth recognises that I have values. And yet another part of my own truth is that I have used a methodology (specifically, the ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 10, 2020:

@anglophone Just a thought that "defining the truth" may be just a question of repeating the science that is testing the truth but slightly differently or from a different angle . If you get the same answer it is more likely to be the truth. Not definitely the truth but more likely. We may have to be satisfied with that.

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

Flowerwall comments on Jan 8, 2020:

I really wish I knew the answer to the question. THE final answer.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 10, 2020:

@Flowerwall It is sarcasm or a joke really but it is a fact that people are looking for a simple answer and as everything reduces to mathematics, even science I suppose that it might as well be two numbers. Not one, notice, because if people are asked to give a number between 0 and 9 a grater number give 7 than any other.Why? Everything should be as simple as possible BUT no simpler. My answer to simplicity is science itself because it is a simple set of processes which most people use everyday but don't realise they are doing science. I am doing my utmost to make science simpler to understand and use. In fact you cannot understand it without doing it.

I like the way posts are set up on this site, including the method of preventing lots of to-ing and ...

MattHardy comments on Jan 9, 2020:

I've no problem if you want to do that. However I wouldn't want to be compelled to do it myself.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 9, 2020:

Compulsion was never envisaged by me. I just want to evauate posts and look for progression of ideas on the site.

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

anglophone comments on Jan 9, 2020:

Part of my own truth is that there is no such thing as "the truth". Another part of my own truth is that the word "sacred" refers to religion. Yet another part of my own truth recognises that I have values. And yet another part of my own truth is that I have used a methodology (specifically, the ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 9, 2020:

Would it not be better to say we just get nearer and near to the truth and eliminating false pathways is the real goal?

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

Mb_Man comments on Jan 7, 2020:

I try to avoid the word Truth at all costs. It has a purpose, but is also has been hijacked. Everything from biblical truth to whatever red-pilled conspiracy nonsense you can find in a YouTube rabbit hole. I prefer to stay in the realm of facts.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 9, 2020:

@Mb_Man Things do change in science .. definitions for a start but I suppose for the life of that definition that has been accepted by a majority a fact is a fact. Facts can be said to have history?

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

Bangkokbob comments on Jan 9, 2020:

Until there is evidence of a afterlife that is ruled by a God, I intend to keep my options open. If there is a God I think he would be more pissed at all the false worshipping, than a reservation on my part about his existence.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 9, 2020:

Is any worshiping good for man and women kind?

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

ToakReon comments on Jan 8, 2020:

Does it make sense?

Mcflewster replies on Jan 9, 2020:

@ToakReon I would really like to think that was the case. Common sense is rarely systematic or thorough and is a form of popularism which has its roots in just copying your neighbour. Having said that there are much worse things you can rely upon. Science is a cyclic process that you keep repeating until things get better. Common sense depends on the experience of the people one talks to, which my be relevant or not to your exact situation. The following is perhaps not an extreme example but holding a gun in UK is NOT common sense whereas it is in parts of the USA. Science conclusions would be universal and apply to all the world of the human.

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

JFishburnVelazq comments on Jan 8, 2020:

All truths tend to turn out to be coherent truths so I follow the coherence method in finding truth.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 8, 2020:

@JFishburnVe Useful!, thanks "It hangs together?"

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

ToakReon comments on Jan 8, 2020:

Does it make sense?

Mcflewster replies on Jan 8, 2020:

Common sense is good but I feel that it is not science.

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

Flowerwall comments on Jan 8, 2020:

I really wish I knew the answer to the question. THE final answer.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 8, 2020:

According to Douglas Adams it is 42. I like this answer even knowing it is probably wrong.

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

Davesnothere comments on Jan 7, 2020:

What kind of truth are you talking about? Hard empirical truth does not give a shit what anyone thinks about it, it just is. Like a cancer growing in you does not care if you believe in Cancer or not, it just is. Other uses of the term truth can be much more nuanced, and often are conflated ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 8, 2020:

That is a nice way of putting it . Has it the same concept as resilience?

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

Mb_Man comments on Jan 7, 2020:

I try to avoid the word Truth at all costs. It has a purpose, but is also has been hijacked. Everything from biblical truth to whatever red-pilled conspiracy nonsense you can find in a YouTube rabbit hole. I prefer to stay in the realm of facts.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 8, 2020:

I have clicked 'Like'because so many people must be feeling like you do. My journey is to help people who are re-approaching science. There is a lot of wisdom from other people in this post. Hope it helps you.

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

skado comments on Jan 7, 2020:

"Seek Consonance" is both my highest truth, and my best method of finding truth. I don't expect it to be fulfilled to perfection, but the longer I follow it, the better my experience of life becomes. So the motivation to continue on that path is self-sustaining.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 8, 2020:

I like this and wanted to say so as well as just clicking a button.

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

Storm1752 comments on Jan 7, 2020:

I like the Desiderata. It's as close to a blueprint for living I'll ever have.

Mcflewster replies on Jan 8, 2020:

Why do I seem to remember reading this in several home toilets (washrooms)?

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

AnneWimsey comments on Jan 6, 2020:

"Sacred"???? Really?

Mcflewster replies on Jan 7, 2020:

@AnneWimsey What is not to like?. Champion of fertility too.

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

Sgt_Spanky comments on Jan 7, 2020:

1. Agreed -- Atheism *is* a statement of fact -- I see no evidence for gods so I don't believe gods exist.. 2. Disagreed -- The etymology of the word, Sacred, is firmly mired in religion. Its synonyms are all words with religious overtones, its antonyms are all words with religious, overtones. A ...

Mcflewster replies on Jan 7, 2020:

@Sgt_Spanky Until something more useful , perhaps put forward by someone else comes along.

What is the one Truth or Method of finding the truth that you hold sacred above all others?

AnneWimsey comments on Jan 6, 2020:

"Sacred"???? Really?

Mcflewster replies on Jan 7, 2020:

@AnneWimsey Let us leave it there with the final image of the Easter Bunny, shall we?