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RICHARD DAWKINS ERROR CONCERNING THE ORIGIN OF LIFE Pursuing the concept that anything is ...
Mcflewster comments on Apr 10, 2019:
But have you taken into account the length of time you were actually throwing dice? Life could theoretically have started millions of years earlier than it did. Also the shape and attractions between atoms involved in forming all the intermediate molecular forms that fit between no life and living, ...
Mcflewster replies on Apr 11, 2019:
@LloydBrumbaugh It seems to me that you are locked into having an essential 'agent' as the cause of things and swinging your arguments around to fit in with that. We know who thinks like that.
The beauty of being Atheist or Agnostic is that we do every act in our lives with straight ...
HankSherman comments on Apr 9, 2019:
Have been a bad person.....at the time thats the way I saw myself..not for wanting to be one, just too weak to know how not to be...due to being dyslexic, before such was reconized, I was a failure in school, some made fun, or only shied away, and I felt un-liked. And....I learned why I was such ...
Mcflewster replies on Apr 11, 2019:
Thanks for this shortened life story about the sad situations in your life. Well done for coming through a nice guy. I am sure that there are a lot more in your situation and thank "Goodness" [not God] that things are beginning to change.BTW Ramble On!
The beauty of being Atheist or Agnostic is that we do every act in our lives with straight ...
callmedubious comments on Apr 9, 2019:
i suppose hitler was quite sincere. how about rump & 90% of all the phony parasitic bastards in govt?
Mcflewster replies on Apr 10, 2019:
Be careful how you choose a leader. Such a person should be able to gather only good people around them. Do we really need leaders? and why ?
What are the advantages of being an AGNOSTIC? Is it forever?
chucklesIII comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Nothing is forever but with agnostic, you'll be wasting less time worrying about non existent entities.
Mcflewster replies on Apr 9, 2019:
@jlynn37 https://itunes.apple.com/gb/album/dont-worry-be-happy/724862142?i=724862378
The beauty of being Atheist or Agnostic is that we do every act in our lives with straight ...
Ninanah comments on Apr 9, 2019:
It goes both ways. We don't blame the evil forces for doing bad things! It's only human nature
Mcflewster replies on Apr 9, 2019:
Yes but must we accept the bad things?
The beauty of being Atheist or Agnostic is that we do every act in our lives with straight ...
Novelty comments on Apr 9, 2019:
I'm an atheist and I don't do anything with straight sincerity, I'm more into queer sincerity these days since they pay a lot more for their sincerity, so it's higher quality.
Mcflewster replies on Apr 9, 2019:
pay a lot more ........ higher quality. Could you please say more, perhaps with examples, to justify this link? Sincerity is priceless.
What are the advantages of being an AGNOSTIC? Is it forever?
jerry99 comments on Apr 7, 2019:
I described myself as an agnostic for many years, mainly to avoid causing conflict with people. Now I'm too old to give a flying fuck what anybody thinks of me.
Mcflewster replies on Apr 9, 2019:
I would not leave it to my funeral to find out.
What are the advantages of being an AGNOSTIC? Is it forever?
darthfaja comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Forever just depends on the legacy you leave behind.
Mcflewster replies on Apr 9, 2019:
Like your thought on the future.
When this Brexit 'Thing" is over and we have more time to think of more serious matters, we need a ...
JimmyM comments on Apr 8, 2019:
'.....getting them to realize that a multiplicity of religions is a Weakness . If you haven't realized yet a multiplicity of non religious beliefs is, too, a weakness. No compromises just unify!' Is it just me? but i find that statement pretty sinister and reeking of an almost facist mindset!!! ...
Mcflewster replies on Apr 8, 2019:
Is anyone saying that BOTH sides do not have to get rid of their weaknesses Or at least try. What is sinister about that?
When this Brexit 'Thing" is over and we have more time to think of more serious matters, we need a ...
Geoffrey51 comments on Apr 7, 2019:
Sounds like a good plan. You have to debrief when you finish any major project whether construction or psyche experimentation. I can’t imagine how it will happen but watching from outside I am sure it’s been a traumatic for everyone and even if localised groups get a chance to discuss their ...
Mcflewster replies on Apr 8, 2019:
Needs saying !
When this Brexit 'Thing" is over and we have more time to think of more serious matters, we need a ...
Marionville comments on Apr 7, 2019:
I agree, but I can’t see it happening unfortunately.
Mcflewster replies on Apr 7, 2019:
Not many can see the path and I do NOT know when we will reach that destination. However unless we clear the weeds from that path it will never be a possibility. Just use our Agnostic advantages.
I'm not really UK, as I live in Spain and before that Kenya.
Mcflewster comments on Apr 2, 2019:
I do not think there is ANY test that you have to pass so Welcome ! but what issue is burning you right now?
Mcflewster replies on Apr 2, 2019:
@Petter This is the first nihilist post I have seen on this site. There may be more.
I'm not really UK, as I live in Spain and before that Kenya.
Mcflewster comments on Apr 2, 2019:
I do not think there is ANY test that you have to pass so Welcome ! but what issue is burning you right now?
Mcflewster replies on Apr 2, 2019:
BTW you just got me double points.
CREDO
 I saw another post that asked ”What do you believe ?
Jolanta comments on Jan 19, 2019:
But you are not an "unbeliever". Surely you believe in miracle "where you from, you sexy thing".
Mcflewster replies on Apr 2, 2019:
I am sure that it would be a miracle if anyone found me sexy . However, since doing this I have found another belief to add to the collection. I believe in a kind world.
Twitter Battle Steven Law @stephenlaw60 (a college lecturer and CFI represenative in the UK) Versus ...
Oldcurmudgeon comments on Apr 2, 2019:
I think there is a simple way to prove if prayer works or not. It’s the old replace a missing limb test. Have people pray for someone to have there missing arm or leg or even a missing finger and see if if its ever regrown.
Mcflewster replies on Apr 2, 2019:
I know what happens then! : Flash of thunder and lightning and suddenly you turn into a starfish [who I think can regenerate a limb].
Don't think there is "method" in philosophy, especially modern philosophy.
Heraclitus comments on Jan 25, 2019:
No method or no method that you recognize? Please give some examples of "methodless" philosophy.
Mcflewster replies on Apr 1, 2019:
This is for people who wish to debate the merits of each method.[Science and philosophy] Where did I read this?
When David Cameron allowed the 2016 Referendum to go ahead he did not realize that it would release ...
Mcflewster comments on Mar 30, 2019:
All I want at the moment is a second referendum and there is no moral reason why it should not happen.
Mcflewster replies on Apr 1, 2019:
@Sofabeast What a cunning plan!
When David Cameron allowed the 2016 Referendum to go ahead he did not realize that it would release ...
Fernapple comments on Mar 31, 2019:
Sadly whatever happens the one thing that will not happen is better democracy.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 31, 2019:
@Fernapple Have done.
As an atheist, this is something I enjoy, so don't bust my balls.
skado comments on Mar 23, 2019:
OK, I’ll give it a try. If, on a rainy Monday afternoon, I write in my diary “It’s raining.” I would be telling the truth. If later that week, on Thursday, the sun is out and I write in my diary “It’s not raining.” I’m also telling the truth. After I die, somebody picks up my ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 31, 2019:
@Fernapple I am not knocking Arts and Culture they are very important. The unique thing about science is that it has objective measurement and processes to recognise reproducible facts and conclusions. I am sorry but the capacity of Arts and culture to progress science is very limited . This does not mean that we should not develop all three as much as possible. Science gets as close to the truth as possible, many times without reaching it, but there are no objective truths in arts and culture. This does not demean any of the tree. Your analysis is lengthy but good. Thanks for joining science group. What do you think (answer inside science group. of the simple model of science.
Anyone had any experience with the challenges and problems of teaching evolution in schools?
Heraclitus comments on Jun 15, 2018:
I would suggest that one of the most common misconceptions of evolution is that is has a direction, that is, that natural selection pushes us towards progress or greater sophistication.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 31, 2019:
Yes agree but surely it is an unknown and unpredictable direction.
When David Cameron allowed the 2016 Referendum to go ahead he did not realize that it would release ...
Marionville comments on Mar 30, 2019:
Time alone will bear out whether that prediction comes true. In the meantime we have to rescind Article 50 this week, otherwise we will crash out of the EU on 10th April without a deal...that apparently is the default position. Another referendum should then be called with the full facts and ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 31, 2019:
@Marionville Realism is your best blessing(?)
When David Cameron allowed the 2016 Referendum to go ahead he did not realize that it would release ...
Fernapple comments on Mar 31, 2019:
Sadly whatever happens the one thing that will not happen is better democracy.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 31, 2019:
@Fernapple He had access to a lot of data some of which he memorised as conclusions so why should not some come true? depends on how good a civil servant scientist he was. Some things happen PURELY by chance. e.g. even though she drives in ministerial car she could STILL get killed in an accident Ref Prince Philip. Everyone on the road IS at greater risk than at home. Give science another chance? I have not given up on you!
When David Cameron allowed the 2016 Referendum to go ahead he did not realize that it would release ...
Marionville comments on Mar 30, 2019:
Time alone will bear out whether that prediction comes true. In the meantime we have to rescind Article 50 this week, otherwise we will crash out of the EU on 10th April without a deal...that apparently is the default position. Another referendum should then be called with the full facts and ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 31, 2019:
I judge that you are Not a prophet but a Scientist [See comment recently added 31/03/19. Hope you are not offended.
When David Cameron allowed the 2016 Referendum to go ahead he did not realize that it would release ...
Fernapple comments on Mar 31, 2019:
Sadly whatever happens the one thing that will not happen is better democracy.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 31, 2019:
Are you a prophet [there are plenty of these on this site] or a scientist? [there are not enough of these on this site]
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
Mb_Man comments on Mar 30, 2019:
I would have to say no. It's more about continual analysis and following the logic to it's ultimate conclusion, always. Traits I tend to attribute more to various influencers and philosophy than to secularism. Possibly because I was not brought to secularism (well, atheism) by an atheist. I found my...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 30, 2019:
This is the point of Atheism, Humanism, secularism and all non religions - Get there on your own .
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
Geoffrey51 comments on Mar 28, 2019:
No. Life is for getting on with. Religious or scientific suggestions are irrelevant. I just do what I feel is appropriate at the time with no calling on religion or science for a solution.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 30, 2019:
@Geoffrey51 Intercourse climax
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
Piece2YourPuzzle comments on Mar 28, 2019:
I think it's different than the God "problem". If I have an actual tangible issue or problem in my everyday life then there are usually practical solutions or accepted outcomes and eventually if you keep working on something then it will work out somehow whether positively or negatively, depending ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 30, 2019:
@Piece2YourPuzzle Maybe trying to understand how other can believe in God would help to eliminate them.
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
chilehead9 comments on Mar 29, 2019:
Not a day goes by that I don't encounter a problem where I "just do not know the answer" - so I put some effort into finding an answer or an appropriate, logical, and fact-based way of responding to it. The alternative is to take the religious path, which is to assert that I have the answer for ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 29, 2019:
This is a very level headed and easy to read answer. Well done.
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
Geoffrey51 comments on Mar 28, 2019:
No. Life is for getting on with. Religious or scientific suggestions are irrelevant. I just do what I feel is appropriate at the time with no calling on religion or science for a solution.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 29, 2019:
@Geoffrey51 That is true. Are you thinking of the one that I am thinking? Beside that one though, there is religious rapture, champaign with the lottery result, a goal/strike, seeing Queen/President, baby into the world .etc, etc. However I did not say it was exclusive to science just that it was a pity to miss out on the ones that science CAN provide. Also science ones turn out to have something useful available for all people in the world. I suppose that religious rapture is in that category too.
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
Piece2YourPuzzle comments on Mar 28, 2019:
I think it's different than the God "problem". If I have an actual tangible issue or problem in my everyday life then there are usually practical solutions or accepted outcomes and eventually if you keep working on something then it will work out somehow whether positively or negatively, depending ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 28, 2019:
But you still feel the need to try?
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
Geoffrey51 comments on Mar 28, 2019:
No. Life is for getting on with. Religious or scientific suggestions are irrelevant. I just do what I feel is appropriate at the time with no calling on religion or science for a solution.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 28, 2019:
Life is for getting on with. AGREE. So sorry you seem to miss out on the Eureka!! feeling that science can give you, but there is no necessity to feel that.
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
OpposingOpposum comments on Mar 28, 2019:
It is exactly the opposite. Because I am capable of logic and reasoning I am generally better than others at solving problems. Fyi your question is both ignorant and offensive, well done.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 28, 2019:
Ignorant of what? Thank you for your time.
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
Emerald comments on Mar 28, 2019:
I tackle problems by researching what has we worked before, so definitely part of the scientific method. With google at our fingertips I see no excuse for not doing basic research.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 28, 2019:
@Emerald Keep up the good work!
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
chalupacabre comments on Mar 28, 2019:
Think you might have that backwards, for me, anyways. I'm agnostic because I rarely accept BECAUSE I SAY SO for an answer. I've always wanted to know how things work and how people choose what they believe in. I've always been the personification of that nagging voice that asks, "but whyyyyyy?" and ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 28, 2019:
This is good reply. One does not have to call yourself anything. However if you do you gather 2 types of people around you . Like think-a-likes and challengers. I suppose it depends if you have a need for either of those.
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
Emerald comments on Mar 28, 2019:
I tackle problems by researching what has we worked before, so definitely part of the scientific method. With google at our fingertips I see no excuse for not doing basic research.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 28, 2019:
Any true innovation on the horizon?
As an ex science teacher, everyday I think " If only they had learned ' that ' bit of science they ...
bookofmorons comments on Mar 26, 2019:
For me it's "natural forest succession patterns are a major influence on what species can be successfully planted on specific sites" Ignoring that is usually a waste of time and money as the planted trees often will not survive
Mcflewster replies on Mar 28, 2019:
Have never thought about this concept.
As an ex science teacher, everyday I think " If only they had learned ' that ' bit of science they ...
Heraclitus comments on Mar 27, 2019:
The theory of evolution. Everyone I have met who doesn't "believe" in evolution has not understood it.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 28, 2019:
@Heraclitus Perhaps both words are needed because if conditions around you change then you have to be flexible to make the most of what is available , but you have not actually adapted yet. Then comes adaptable over a longer period?
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
bookofmorons comments on Mar 28, 2019:
education, particularly science education is the way to get effective results.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 28, 2019:
One gets education about anything not just the results of science by learning the scientific method. EDUCATION = SCIENCE method. Why does not every education start with science method? Well actually we are born with it , then it is squashed out and we have to re-instate it. Sad.
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
Robecology comments on Mar 28, 2019:
Religion; myth based. Science Fact based. Myths; entertaining...satisfying ....good explanations of phenomena for the uneducated or naive. It worked for our ancestors. Science; entertaining - satisfying - good explanations of phenomena for the learned, wise, smart. It works today. ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 28, 2019:
Religion; We live forever.......................WHAT a claim to leave unproven! Science; this is it; Life is short...................So make the best of this short life instead of spreading hope that will not be fulfilled
Does the fact that you are agnostic with regard to religion make its way into effecting your ...
Robecology comments on Mar 28, 2019:
Religion; myth based. Science Fact based. Myths; entertaining...satisfying ....good explanations of phenomena for the uneducated or naive. It worked for our ancestors. Science; entertaining - satisfying - good explanations of phenomena for the learned, wise, smart. It works today. ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 28, 2019:
"good explanations of phenomena" What are your criteria for 'good'? Miracles NOT accepted.
As an ex science teacher, everyday I think " If only they had learned ' that ' bit of science they ...
Heraclitus comments on Mar 27, 2019:
The theory of evolution. Everyone I have met who doesn't "believe" in evolution has not understood it.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 27, 2019:
Can you explain to me the difference between 'survival of the fittest' and 'survival of the most flexible'?
[dailymail.co.uk] All is saved guys. Yuri is on the case to stop Brexit.
Mcflewster comments on Mar 25, 2019:
You will be pleased to know that apart from the stopping of Brexit , Yuri has bestowed another great gift upon the nation. If you watched GMB this am you would have learned two things> 1) The stop is going to be achieved by everyone in the Remain camp thinking hard and saying from now onwards at ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 27, 2019:
@Moravian Believer Beware!
[dailymail.co.uk] All is saved guys. Yuri is on the case to stop Brexit.
Mcflewster comments on Mar 25, 2019:
You will be pleased to know that apart from the stopping of Brexit , Yuri has bestowed another great gift upon the nation. If you watched GMB this am you would have learned two things> 1) The stop is going to be achieved by everyone in the Remain camp thinking hard and saying from now onwards at ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 27, 2019:
@Moravian I am not really disagreeing with you but if you wanted to sell tickets for your own show would you call yourself a Prophet?. Yes it does hold religious overtones but in the end it means that you can fool people into your way of thinking. Because we have a greater chance of understanding religion we must protect our populations from scams. Scams have big element of predicting what is about to happen in the near future e.g "you need to (will) transfer money from your account to another one. Together with predicting, a good deal of false information e.g" I am your bank manager" is involved. Yuri does not care about the truth and co-incidence helps him make a living.
[dailymail.co.uk] All is saved guys. Yuri is on the case to stop Brexit.
Mcflewster comments on Mar 25, 2019:
You will be pleased to know that apart from the stopping of Brexit , Yuri has bestowed another great gift upon the nation. If you watched GMB this am you would have learned two things> 1) The stop is going to be achieved by everyone in the Remain camp thinking hard and saying from now onwards at ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 26, 2019:
@Moravian Cannot you see that 'Prophet' could be applied to anyone who claims to see into the future? Seeing into the future is impossible even into the next few minutes. I am trying to show people how these people work. The usually do it to hoodwink people or defraud them of money and we must call them out everywhere we see them not just those in the Bible.
[dailymail.co.uk] All is saved guys. Yuri is on the case to stop Brexit.
Mcflewster comments on Mar 25, 2019:
You will be pleased to know that apart from the stopping of Brexit , Yuri has bestowed another great gift upon the nation. If you watched GMB this am you would have learned two things> 1) The stop is going to be achieved by everyone in the Remain camp thinking hard and saying from now onwards at ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 25, 2019:
@Moravian How do you think prophets work then? A hotline to God? They work by planting seeds of hope amongst people that can bring about the prophecy. It is all psychological. Mostly 'hidden suggestions' and if you can get it to work you are very clever and knowledgable of people's hopes, fears and vulnerabilities.
The Logic of Indecision: If you say you are agnostic, you are saying that you do not know, but ...
KKGator comments on Mar 22, 2019:
I'm an atheist. I do not believe ANY gods have EVER existed, anywhere, at any time. There is no credible, verifiable evidence to convince me otherwise. I cannot control what other people think, do, or say. The "debate" over it is completely pointless to me.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 24, 2019:
@KKGator It is not a conclusion. It is a surmise. Everyone needs to know how to sort out delusion from reality. We ALL need all the help we can get from whatever source we can get. Have a nice day!
The Logic of Indecision: If you say you are agnostic, you are saying that you do not know, but ...
KKGator comments on Mar 22, 2019:
I'm an atheist. I do not believe ANY gods have EVER existed, anywhere, at any time. There is no credible, verifiable evidence to convince me otherwise. I cannot control what other people think, do, or say. The "debate" over it is completely pointless to me.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 24, 2019:
@KKGator Sorry but are you saying that our MDs should not discuss delusions? Our doctors MIGHT even help us to stop talk about any god or maybe not? They do know more than me about the way the brain works.
The Logic of Indecision: If you say you are agnostic, you are saying that you do not know, but ...
KKGator comments on Mar 22, 2019:
I'm an atheist. I do not believe ANY gods have EVER existed, anywhere, at any time. There is no credible, verifiable evidence to convince me otherwise. I cannot control what other people think, do, or say. The "debate" over it is completely pointless to me.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 24, 2019:
@KKGator A sad conclusion which you have every right to make
The Logic of Indecision: If you say you are agnostic, you are saying that you do not know, but ...
mojo5501 comments on Mar 22, 2019:
Because I reached my atheism by way of science and philosophy, I am a person who reached the decision indirectly and not immediately. Would a religious person who took the same path I did also come to the same conclusion? I am not sure. I was raised in a religious household and only questioned ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 24, 2019:
I picture this path more as a set of junction railway lines and which way you set the points dictate your thinking from the time the points are changed.
The Logic of Indecision: If you say you are agnostic, you are saying that you do not know, but ...
KKGator comments on Mar 22, 2019:
I'm an atheist. I do not believe ANY gods have EVER existed, anywhere, at any time. There is no credible, verifiable evidence to convince me otherwise. I cannot control what other people think, do, or say. The "debate" over it is completely pointless to me.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 24, 2019:
Debate Useless; Discussion Useful .
The Logic of Indecision: If you say you are agnostic, you are saying that you do not know, but ...
mzbehavin comments on Mar 22, 2019:
On the atheist part, this is the bit I disagree with. *and the implication is that others would agree if they were as rational as you*. For me there is no implication of anything. I am apathetic as to what others believe. If they ask I will share why I think the way I think but it's not my ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 24, 2019:
No it is not your business to tell other people what to think or even should think (that is worse). They must go through the journey alone .There is nothing wrong with relating your experiences that lead you on their path as long as you state your actual position before your journey and make no assumptions.
The Logic of Indecision: If you say you are agnostic, you are saying that you do not know, but ...
Allamanda comments on Mar 22, 2019:
You know, I'd go so far as to posit that should a god suddenly and incontrovertibly appear (and if it's made from or by computers, the same applies) - the agnostics might accept it... The atheists probably can't, in the sense of a religion or having 'faith', because we don't know how to do that, it ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 22, 2019:
@Allamanda Please let us hear your definition of faith -in a separate posting if you prefer.
The Logic of Indecision: If you say you are agnostic, you are saying that you do not know, but ...
Allamanda comments on Mar 22, 2019:
You know, I'd go so far as to posit that should a god suddenly and incontrovertibly appear (and if it's made from or by computers, the same applies) - the agnostics might accept it... The atheists probably can't, in the sense of a religion or having 'faith', because we don't know how to do that, it ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 22, 2019:
I beg to differ over "{ because we don't know how to do that {faith}" I take faith to mean "Belief without evidence" In fact we use faith a lot in our lives because we have not time to fully investigate the truth of every matter. Our 'Beef' is about using it within religion where it leads to delusions and lack of responsibilities for decisions
I am just listening to PMQ's and TM is following a classic ANTI science device.
webspider555 comments on Mar 21, 2019:
The petition site crashed earlier, hope it is because it was overloaded and not something more sinister. Says closed for maintenance at the moment, Think the number is upto about 750000
Mcflewster replies on Mar 21, 2019:
Closing on a million at 1:45 GMT and now fully functional . VOTE!
I am just listening to PMQ's and TM is following a classic ANTI science device.
webspider555 comments on Mar 20, 2019:
They are determined not to have another referendum because they know the result would be reversed
Mcflewster replies on Mar 20, 2019:
@Marionville Has this been anything else but probability ? When one considers the wisdom of making the exit definite at a date in the future I hate the whole idea of prophets. Politics is all about learning from the past but politicians are not very good at that.Why should anyone believe their promises for the future? Well NO one can see the future through a glass ball, horse racing analysis or even a weather forecast (to the minute) so why do we ever trust them? All I know is that science does get closer to the oncoming truth by looking for patterns and trends. So the more science in our politics the better - data collection, extrapolation, pilot surveys {like indicative votes} all properly done can point out the best way forward. Here's hoping for a complete restart of politics and a complete corrected run of the referendum.
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
powder comments on Mar 13, 2019:
A referendum was held, passed and was approved by govt. If the UK wishes to be democratic, then another referendum is needed to JOIN the EU. To ignore election results and have a "round II" hoping results will change is not democracy. That is anarchy. Hold a referendum to JOIN the EU if you must....
Mcflewster replies on Mar 16, 2019:
@powder You are still relying on other people and spending too much of our own money particularly on lawyers. The British people can stop this nonsense by themselves
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
powder comments on Mar 13, 2019:
A referendum was held, passed and was approved by govt. If the UK wishes to be democratic, then another referendum is needed to JOIN the EU. To ignore election results and have a "round II" hoping results will change is not democracy. That is anarchy. Hold a referendum to JOIN the EU if you must....
Mcflewster replies on Mar 16, 2019:
@powder This can only be solved by a better systems start from scratch no matter what the parliament said. Don't blame other people give us a solution yourself.
I DO believe this: to talk incessantly about something is to give it life, in this case totally ...
DaveS002 comments on Mar 16, 2019:
I would quibble with you in your assertion that science is or requires a belief system. Science is the antithesis of belief. Science is all about facts, data, observation, measurement, inference, logic, etc. There is no underlying belief system.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 16, 2019:
It is a fact that you need to believe in science. So many people do not and indeed hate it . I have set myself the task of making people like it. They will not believe in it until they have personally used it to improve their own life. I have started by analysing and revising the processes of science some of which you mention. Then it has to simplified and talked about collectively as a well tried and adaptible group of processes. Please follow my progress on the Science teachers Group of this site.
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
powder comments on Mar 13, 2019:
A referendum was held, passed and was approved by govt. If the UK wishes to be democratic, then another referendum is needed to JOIN the EU. To ignore election results and have a "round II" hoping results will change is not democracy. That is anarchy. Hold a referendum to JOIN the EU if you must....
Mcflewster replies on Mar 15, 2019:
@powder Any vote is a snapshot in time. We Change. we move on until the final vote rings TRUE -or gets closer to the truth. I am not calling the result of the 2016 vote to be scrapped NOT because I do not like it (even though I do) I am objecting to the 2016 vote because the processes were wrong and tainted by bad practices [sometimes called lies] . We are capable of running another referendum properly from scratch.
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
Marionville comments on Mar 13, 2019:
It’s an almighty mess we have got ourselves into. I don’t think it would have mattered who was trying to do the negotiations, Mrs May, or any other Tory....it’s impossible to square a circle....or in this case to achieve the impossible and fulfil the wishes of all factions and different ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 14, 2019:
@Marionville There should have been. One can dream?
Thought I should post a picture of me in my new Agnostic.
Jolanta comments on Mar 14, 2019:
You are filling out that shirt very nicely.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 14, 2019:
What better compliment?
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
Marionville comments on Mar 13, 2019:
It’s an almighty mess we have got ourselves into. I don’t think it would have mattered who was trying to do the negotiations, Mrs May, or any other Tory....it’s impossible to square a circle....or in this case to achieve the impossible and fulfil the wishes of all factions and different ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 14, 2019:
@Hebert54 No a referendum can be made to be effective if there is a prearranged minimum margin.
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
MattHardy comments on Mar 13, 2019:
Yes, so long as we can erase the past 3 years of lies, bile and propaganda that'd be a great idea. Otherwise I can't really see the point.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 14, 2019:
I.e abolish Brexit? or Not?
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
powder comments on Mar 13, 2019:
A referendum was held, passed and was approved by govt. If the UK wishes to be democratic, then another referendum is needed to JOIN the EU. To ignore election results and have a "round II" hoping results will change is not democracy. That is anarchy. Hold a referendum to JOIN the EU if you must....
Mcflewster replies on Mar 14, 2019:
More votes IS more democracy . Please prove otherwise. We can change our minds and there is nothing to stop you voting the same way. Thirst for further ones will disappear when we have the right settled answer. Sorry the government didn't get the referendum rules right in 2016 and they should NOT have made promises that they could not possibly be sure they could keep even with May banging on forever. If any government takes us out without knowing the state of people's belief at the current time of proposed leaving THEY are the traitors.
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
Beowulfsfriend comments on Mar 13, 2019:
Many days I envy the Brits. At least you can have this conversation. In the states, we have a pompus POS posing as a leader signing bibles (with historic support by evangelicals) while consistently breaking all of the "rules" of the hypocritical churches.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 13, 2019:
What is physically stopping you, Beowulfsfriend ?
I love points made with GRAPHICS- how about you?
indirect76 comments on Mar 13, 2019:
I don’t understand the graphic. What is being voted for each iteration?
Mcflewster replies on Mar 13, 2019:
Anything really. It is the TYPE of group that you vote for - not the individual issue
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
CeliaVL comments on Mar 13, 2019:
How are you going to achieve that? The information people get is fed to them by the government or the media. The media are controlled by a handful of people who support the right wing of the government. If there is another referendum people will be fed lies in large print and dramatic scenarios ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 13, 2019:
@CeliaVL My answer to your question is going to sound a little curt and in addition you probably will not like it. But the answer is adopt science attitudes and methods as applied to politics. Everyone will IMO eventually decide to do that. The quicker we do it the quicker out of the mess and the less likely it is to come back. With a will all your questions will be answered by good people but the people of Cornwall will still have to determine their own future.
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
Flettie comments on Mar 13, 2019:
Agreed
Mcflewster replies on Mar 13, 2019:
With what, Flettie?
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
Marionville comments on Mar 13, 2019:
It’s an almighty mess we have got ourselves into. I don’t think it would have mattered who was trying to do the negotiations, Mrs May, or any other Tory....it’s impossible to square a circle....or in this case to achieve the impossible and fulfil the wishes of all factions and different ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 13, 2019:
“the people voted to leave “ needs to be demoted but NOT dismissed. It needs to be put in its proper place in the lead to a new vote of INFORMED consent leading up a properly constructed if overly lengthened referendum. That is why we need a rather long extension to the ROLLING democratic process.
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
Marionville comments on Mar 13, 2019:
It’s an almighty mess we have got ourselves into. I don’t think it would have mattered who was trying to do the negotiations, Mrs May, or any other Tory....it’s impossible to square a circle....or in this case to achieve the impossible and fulfil the wishes of all factions and different ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 13, 2019:
Think she is passionate about religion and quite often preaches but is religious in technical points
This must be the time of the greatest number of political agnostics throughout history.
CeliaVL comments on Mar 13, 2019:
How are you going to achieve that? The information people get is fed to them by the government or the media. The media are controlled by a handful of people who support the right wing of the government. If there is another referendum people will be fed lies in large print and dramatic scenarios ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 13, 2019:
Please re-read my suggestion above which I think you missed. Combining a general election with this process would be disastrous because we need to scientifically know the informed population view on Brexit alone.
I love points made with GRAPHICS- how about you?
BD66 comments on Mar 11, 2019:
Works both ways.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 12, 2019:
I am not quite sure what you mean by this post.
Please criticize my logic .
LenHazell53 comments on Mar 9, 2019:
Damn it I come here to get away from this Brexshit
Mcflewster replies on Mar 11, 2019:
Brexit just gets more and more interesting. Hope you in the USA do not have to go through this.
Please criticize my logic .
Sofabeast comments on Mar 10, 2019:
There are too many emotions involved in Brexit. Cold hard logic producing intelligent conclusions has been ignored. Will the UK be better off with Theresa May's deal or WTO rules? It has to be her deal since the English people decided to take the UK out of the EU. I would rather that the 2016 ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 11, 2019:
"government would seek to firstly build a coalition" But exactly why did they not do that?
Please criticize my logic .
CeliaVL comments on Mar 10, 2019:
Sadly, the project was hastily produced and never thought through. You are right - there were quite a lot of people in the country, as well as right-wing politicians who were not happy with what they thought were the effects of being in the EU, but instead of discussing the pros and cons and the ...
Mcflewster replies on Mar 10, 2019:
Some good solid points here. Ever think off becoming a politician?
Be kind. Be relevant.
indirect76 comments on Mar 10, 2019:
Santa may or may not be real, but it’s undeniable that he can lay out some serious wisdom.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 10, 2019:
Fine words.Please tell me what wisdom IS (without saying I'll know it when I see it)
Please criticize my logic .
LenHazell53 comments on Mar 9, 2019:
Damn it I come here to get away from this Brexshit
Mcflewster replies on Mar 9, 2019:
I do share your feelings but about how we got into this mess in the first place . I now feel that I can not leave this subject alone. It is too important as it could set precedents for millennia. Look at my post as a sort of logic puzzle to find the weak spots. Would that Help? After all logic and reason are one of religions weak spots and we should be building up our expertise in those skills.
It's not our differences that are th problem, it's our inability to accept and celebrate them.
Jolanta comments on Mar 5, 2019:
Some differences should be celebrated but some should not.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 7, 2019:
@Jacar This comment on hair is little unfair if we cannot see the length of your hair... and what dark eyes you have!
I am comfortably sitting here in the living room reading and I hear the TV in the family room.
Heraclitus comments on Mar 3, 2019:
If God really loved his son so much, why didn't he come here himself and spare his son the suffering and death?
Mcflewster replies on Mar 4, 2019:
Death is a good career move.
If you did not see it, please use i-player to have a look at the Documentary SATANIC VERSES -30 ...
David_Cooper comments on Mar 1, 2019:
I fully approve of anyone burning that vile book - it's the worst thing I've ever read, beating the Qur'an into second place.
Mcflewster replies on Mar 2, 2019:
Is it vile even if it is a fantasy? I know that some people cannot handle fantasy but should that rule them out for discussion?
There are certain words in use that are used simply to stop further thought .
RobbyBlue48 comments on Feb 26, 2019:
The first such word that comes to mind is "faith". From my perspective, there's no way to encourage a user to go deeper. I no longer try to convince anyone of anything; for the most part, it's a fruitless endeavor.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 28, 2019:
@RobbyBlue48 I never thought differently. Faith is a human process or validation procedure that has certain usefulness when evidence is not available . However a lot of people condemn all faith. I condemn the misuse of faith
There are certain words in use that are used simply to stop further thought .
RobbyBlue48 comments on Feb 26, 2019:
The first such word that comes to mind is "faith". From my perspective, there's no way to encourage a user to go deeper. I no longer try to convince anyone of anything; for the most part, it's a fruitless endeavor.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 27, 2019:
My definition of FAITH is "Belief without evidence", so we must be careful not to dismiss faith when we really need it. The caveman needs faith in himself before going to attack a wild beast and save his family. We all need faith to solve problems we have never experienced before. However I do agree with you that religious people think that they have come to a stop point in a discussion when when faith is mentioned. They make their conclusions by using faith as immutable because they are told to or in some cases want it not to change whatever evidence comes up. The thing which saved the cave family from the wild beast was not only their human abilities of quick and intelligent actions but also experience and knowledge in how animals in general behave , gained form many hunting and tracking expeditions. Experience can fight faith - that is what is being spread on this website.
When do you think society will reach a stage that says "Tests and assessments are not useful if they...
Robecology comments on Feb 16, 2019:
As a 45 year retired teacher, I don't ascribe to the notion that "tests and assessments are not useful if they rely mostly on the recall of facts." I look at any school, any educational program as a mental training tool or service. Schools are mental gymnasiums. Teachers are coaches. The ...
Mcflewster replies on Feb 18, 2019:
@Robecology We are not in disagreement here. We both think science is good and the more hands-on it is the better. My point is about the use of teachers time when computing power should take the strain of establishing the most daily useful facts and getting pupils up to an acceptable level of instantly recalling those facts when needed.
When do you think society will reach a stage that says "Tests and assessments are not useful if they...
Heraclitus comments on Feb 16, 2019:
Not entirely. To be functional in society we will always need to recall certain facts or it would be like having amnesia. My wife is teacher. She has noticed the strange phenomena that nowadays some students, who apparently have forgotten their basic arithmetic skills, don't notice when their ...
Mcflewster replies on Feb 17, 2019:
Machine learning can correct this.
When do you think society will reach a stage that says "Tests and assessments are not useful if they...
Robecology comments on Feb 16, 2019:
As a 45 year retired teacher, I don't ascribe to the notion that "tests and assessments are not useful if they rely mostly on the recall of facts." I look at any school, any educational program as a mental training tool or service. Schools are mental gymnasiums. Teachers are coaches. The ...
Mcflewster replies on Feb 17, 2019:
I agree they are useful but investigatory and other science skills are more useful. Teaching things to recall can be called pure training and done with a good computer program , giving the pupil all the time in the world to do it without pressure or coercion. Also the machine learning can be quite definite about the level that the pupil has reached - whatever level society advises. The teacher is IMO best used setting up novel situations and knowing the sort of pitfalls that the learner can fall into.
My belief, my faith, my hopes, my trust are all in in Humans.
HankSherman comments on Feb 9, 2019:
If the world could get away from a philsophy that teaches that people are inherently bad, sinful,and evil. That is taught by choice.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 11, 2019:
I just want to get rid of all philosophy but I realise that I need a philosophy to do that.How is the for a catch 22? I would replace it totally with science thinking.
My belief, my faith, my hopes, my trust are all in in Humans.
genessa comments on Feb 8, 2019:
why? i don't think i need to belong to a group because i think or don't think a certain way regarding the universe. it's not as if we would have rituals, or need to confirm what was or wasn't acceptable to the group. as for believing in humans, anyone can see humans exist. believing in our ...
Mcflewster replies on Feb 9, 2019:
No of course, as an individual one can survive. On the other hand I do not think religion is going to continue on its downward path without group action. In the UK Humanists have been very upfront in the fight for Human rights. They have just started an assisted dying coalition. How do you feel about agony in your last days?
How dare you talk about God's chosen ones! LOL!!! [msn.com]
brentan comments on Feb 2, 2019:
I wonder how well the idea of boycotting as an expression of free speech will be received?
Mcflewster replies on Feb 8, 2019:
Silence is an expression of free speech.
My belief, my faith, my hopes, my trust are all in in Humans.
Marine comments on Feb 8, 2019:
Sounds good but there are defective humans like trump.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 8, 2019:
You do not have to tell me that there are a lot of Imperfect humans about. I just lament at the fact that I am not getting my beliefs to many other people without using any force, lies, delusions or impossible promises.
My belief, my faith, my hopes, my trust are all in in Humans.
mzbehavin comments on Feb 8, 2019:
Your goal is admirable but I have a problem with using the term "belief" as the religious like to twist that into "god beliefs". Unless I'm referring to religious beliefs I use others words not associated with mythical fantasies.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 8, 2019:
We have so far to go before we rid ourselves of the damage that religion has done to our thinking. Please believe in something and don't blame words that existed from a Human need before religion.
My belief, my faith, my hopes, my trust are all in in Humans.
KKGator comments on Feb 8, 2019:
I can't go along with that. I don't like people, in general. I'm always hoping for an asteroid to wipe us all out. Plus, using words like "faith" and "belief" is far too religious-sounding for my tastes. Sounds like you're trying to start a cult.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 8, 2019:
I think there are a great many people who think like you and I know other people have read too much into faith and belief. I do however think that all Humans have a use for the word faith and it is nothing to do with religion so we must be careful before we destroy it. Belief ? well what ever we do people will believe what they want to and there is a clue in that somewhere. Cult? I cannot start the movement that I want to see happen world wide because some others have done it for me - people like Darwin and Bertrand Russel.
How dare you talk about God's chosen ones! LOL!!! [msn.com]
Mcflewster comments on Feb 2, 2019:
I often wonder if the phrase "God's chosen ones" started of a whole lot of trouble.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 7, 2019:
@genessa I do really feel for the plight of the jews and had hoped that you could throw some light on why the phrase arose. It looks like only jews can solve it because everyone involved is so sensitive about the use of a single word or phrase. It is not the only word or phrase that has to be changed but admitting that it might have been incorrectly said would be a start.
How dare you talk about God's chosen ones! LOL!!! [msn.com]
Mcflewster comments on Feb 2, 2019:
I often wonder if the phrase "God's chosen ones" started of a whole lot of trouble.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 5, 2019:
@genessa I am only trying to improve my image of the jews. I wish you well
How dare you talk about God's chosen ones! LOL!!! [msn.com]
Mcflewster comments on Feb 2, 2019:
I often wonder if the phrase "God's chosen ones" started of a whole lot of trouble.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 5, 2019:
@genessa I respect your position and sorry to be a trouble to you but it is not the jews that you have to convince. You are still talking as if there was definitely a god and that the bible is infallible. There must have been some other reason why the phrase was used - perhaps a purely political sound bite . Please help us on this site get a better understanding than historical theism of why the phrase was used so that we might properly fix the harm that it did - peacefully. Pure sibling rivalry in a family actually does harm.
How dare you talk about God's chosen ones! LOL!!! [msn.com]
Mcflewster comments on Feb 2, 2019:
I often wonder if the phrase "God's chosen ones" started of a whole lot of trouble.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 4, 2019:
@genessa I am sorry but I do not understand the explanation in the first long comment that you posted. Because the phrase chosen one's does exist I feel it is up to Jews to explain where it went wrong in our terms. Surely if a god (any of them) is all powerful and all helpful there would be no call to choose anyone provided they are patient.
SHOULD WE BE DOING MORE DEBATING OR MORE DISCUSSION.
HankSherman comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I really have no idea, guess thats why I can only listen and try to learn. Sure enjoy your post.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 3, 2019:
@HankSherman I think you have much more to give. Give it time.
We are about to have a tsunami of "Fake News" comments from Americans.
LenHazell53 comments on Feb 2, 2019:
Diplomacy is just an acceptable euphemism for mutually acceptable lies and bribes
Mcflewster replies on Feb 2, 2019:
I agree though it is intended to fix something and rarely equally satisfies both sides.
I'm sad to hear of the passing away of comedian Jeremy Hardy.
NickNakorn comments on Feb 1, 2019:
I think RIP is fine - we atheists all know it's not true in a literal sense but the sentiment is just as good. He used to walk with his Child in our local park (I only saw him once as I was at work most of the time) but my (then) wife chatted to him when the kids were on the swings and thought him ...
Mcflewster replies on Feb 2, 2019:
However will rest and peace actually mean anything after death? Remembrance is a much better tribute. Following his traditions, wit and causes even better.
We are about to have a tsunami of "Fake News" comments from Americans.
Simon1 comments on Feb 1, 2019:
History is written by the winners. Churchill was stock piling weapons before ww2 which pushed hitler's hand . Russia claims it won ww2 and it had nothing to do with anyone else . There are also reports of Americans building or funding, can't quiet remember , German concentration camps ...so ...
Mcflewster replies on Feb 2, 2019:
@Marionville You have given me a very useful and pleasant sounding word - whataboutery . Thanks.
SHOULD WE BE DOING MORE DEBATING OR MORE DISCUSSION.
HankSherman comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I really have no idea, guess thats why I can only listen and try to learn. Sure enjoy your post.
Mcflewster replies on Feb 1, 2019:
Try this from Jennifer Hancock (Humanist). https://humanistlearning.com/socratic-jujitsu/ How to Win Arguments Without Arguing We humans rarely agree. We argue and debate and nothing ever seems to be resolved. Wouldn’t it be nice if you could cut through the clutter and create consensus for your ideas and proposals? Of course it would. But to get there, you have to stop arguing and start asking questions. Cost: $15  Length: 1 hours long Format: self study Access information: Course access granted upon payment.