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SHOULD WE BE DOING MORE DEBATING OR MORE DISCUSSION.
Grayghost comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Even arguing is at least communicating. Just slinging crap at someone in a vain attempt to bolster your side is ignorant, stupid, and a colossal waste of time. We, you and I, pay these ass holes Rs, Ds, and Is to represent us and reach some kind of consensus (one definition-agreement in the judgment...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 31, 2019:
For some pairings in some situations an argument can be so damaging that its benefits by way of agreed outcome may be snuffed out by hurt feelings and just not retained to a lasting benefit. I do not think that opposing politicians should be paid to reach a consensus, rather than reach a truth which is the best answer for everyone- that requires compromise. Agree about electing more women.
Grayghost comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Even arguing is at least communicating. Just slinging crap at someone in a vain attempt to bolster your side is ignorant, stupid, and a colossal waste of time. We, you and I, pay these ass holes Rs, Ds, and Is to represent us and reach some kind of consensus (one definition-agreement in the judgment...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 31, 2019:
For some pairings in some situations an argument can be so damaging that its benefits by way of agreed outcome may be snuffed out by hurt feelings and just not retained to a lasting benefit. I do not think that opposing politicians should be paid to reach a consensus, rather than reach a truth which is the best answer for everyone- that requires compromise. Agree about electing more women.
Can you tell us the most altruistic thing you have ever done?
mordant comments on Nov 14, 2018:
Eh ... I tend to follow the dictum, "no good deed goes unpunished", at least if you have any expectations whatsoever, even reasonable ones. When you're nice to people who don't think they deserve it, they suspect your motives or try to sabotage the relationship. When you try to save someone, they ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 30, 2019:
It is good that your parents brought you up as self sufficient.
mordant comments on Nov 14, 2018:
Eh ... I tend to follow the dictum, "no good deed goes unpunished", at least if you have any expectations whatsoever, even reasonable ones. When you're nice to people who don't think they deserve it, they suspect your motives or try to sabotage the relationship. When you try to save someone, they ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 30, 2019:
It is good that your parents brought you up as self sufficient.
Interesting concept - not sure about its name.
Mooolah comments on Jan 29, 2019:
"I feel therefore I am right". I see/hear it all the time & I have retreated into hermitville.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@Countrywoman But we should make it matter . Being involved in some sort of court case - (as an observer hopefully) is one way of doing it. Why IS everyone looking at these crime dramas and police force series and people are still not seeing the importance of evidence.
www.askforevidence.org
Mooolah comments on Jan 29, 2019:
"I feel therefore I am right". I see/hear it all the time & I have retreated into hermitville.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 30, 2019:
@Countrywoman But we should make it matter . Being involved in some sort of court case - (as an observer hopefully) is one way of doing it. Why IS everyone looking at these crime dramas and police force series and people are still not seeing the importance of evidence.
www.askforevidence.org
Carl Woese: "Yes, I do not like people saying that atheism is based on science, because it’s not.
Dietl comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I agree that atheism is not based on science, but calling it an alien invasion is a bit over the top. The question if there is a god or not has no impact on science. You can be a believer, an atheist or call yourself an agnostic but as long as you stick to the scientific method there is no conflict ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 30, 2019:
You are absolutely right. Is it the same with the Male/Female divide?
So there could be unsure males, sure males, sure females, unsure females and just mixed up kids. Gender sure is all about knowing.
Dietl comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I agree that atheism is not based on science, but calling it an alien invasion is a bit over the top. The question if there is a god or not has no impact on science. You can be a believer, an atheist or call yourself an agnostic but as long as you stick to the scientific method there is no conflict ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 30, 2019:
You are absolutely right. Is it the same with the Male/Female divide?
So there could be unsure males, sure males, sure females, unsure females and just mixed up kids. Gender sure is all about knowing.
Carl Woese: "Yes, I do not like people saying that atheism is based on science, because it’s not.
MissKathleen comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I never heard anyone say that.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 30, 2019:
Neither have I but it is a discussion point. What is your reaction to it?
MissKathleen comments on Jan 30, 2019:
I never heard anyone say that.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 30, 2019:
Neither have I but it is a discussion point. What is your reaction to it?
Interesting concept - not sure about its name.
Mooolah comments on Jan 29, 2019:
"I feel therefore I am right". I see/hear it all the time & I have retreated into hermitville.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 30, 2019:
e-mocracy or "I feel therefore I am right" is exactly the reason for the "Ask for evidence" campaign. How often do you use that phrase?
Mooolah comments on Jan 29, 2019:
"I feel therefore I am right". I see/hear it all the time & I have retreated into hermitville.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 30, 2019:
e-mocracy or "I feel therefore I am right" is exactly the reason for the "Ask for evidence" campaign. How often do you use that phrase?
SHOULD WE BE DOING MORE DEBATING OR MORE DISCUSSION.
t1nick comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Try Socratic method for discussing.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 28, 2019:
For Info of some others Socratic method. The Socratic method, also known as maieutics, method of elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate, is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions.
t1nick comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Try Socratic method for discussing.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 28, 2019:
For Info of some others Socratic method. The Socratic method, also known as maieutics, method of elenchus, elenctic method, or Socratic debate, is a form of cooperative argumentative dialogue between individuals, based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to draw out ideas and underlying presuppositions.
SHOULD WE BE DOING MORE DEBATING OR MORE DISCUSSION.
Jolanta comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Some people do not know how to debate or discuss but just want their point to be heard, like gospel.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 28, 2019:
Too true.
Jolanta comments on Jan 27, 2019:
Some people do not know how to debate or discuss but just want their point to be heard, like gospel.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 28, 2019:
Too true.
"People no longer understand how hold a rational conversation.
Jnei comments on Jan 26, 2019:
A couple of months back I posted a story about a work meeting I attended, in which we decided some new policies. I put forward one idea, then another colleague put forward her idea. My idea was perfectly feasible; so was her idea, but hers also struck me as easier and more efficient to implement - ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 26, 2019:
I am not surprised that they were left speechless. One of the difficulties is that we are not really sure where wisdom lies( or even if it exists) Wisdom is not confined to the aged or the wealthy. We must get the young to try to be wise and listen to how everyone achieves it. You must start in schools very soon.
Jnei comments on Jan 26, 2019:
A couple of months back I posted a story about a work meeting I attended, in which we decided some new policies. I put forward one idea, then another colleague put forward her idea. My idea was perfectly feasible; so was her idea, but hers also struck me as easier and more efficient to implement - ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 26, 2019:
I am not surprised that they were left speechless. One of the difficulties is that we are not really sure where wisdom lies( or even if it exists) Wisdom is not confined to the aged or the wealthy. We must get the young to try to be wise and listen to how everyone achieves it. You must start in schools very soon.
I strongly believe that to get the best output from anyone of any age they should
...
gater comments on Jan 23, 2019:
Thats why so many believe in the ridiculous Big Bang Theory.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 25, 2019:
@gater It can alter speed can it not in which case it should be able to stop?. That is a question not a statement of fact
gater comments on Jan 23, 2019:
Thats why so many believe in the ridiculous Big Bang Theory.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 25, 2019:
@gater It can alter speed can it not in which case it should be able to stop?. That is a question not a statement of fact
Without the philosophy of science, there is no science.
girlwithsmiles comments on Aug 8, 2018:
Yes, surely they support each other. (apart from when they're disproving hypotheses ;) ).
Mcflewster replies on Jan 24, 2019:
But we are talking about which is best (for humanity that is)? personally I do not think that all humans will EVER understand all philosophies or have a valid method for comparing philosophies. So for me philosophy is a none starter. Science on the other had is ACE at comparing any two objects theories ideas or complaints It frequently competes with itself.To do so one has only to produce better science and put it in front of a greater number of peers. Sure philosophy started first but has no hope of winning because one cannot measure anything about philosophy. BTW there is no such thing as scientism.
girlwithsmiles comments on Aug 8, 2018:
Yes, surely they support each other. (apart from when they're disproving hypotheses ;) ).
Mcflewster replies on Jan 24, 2019:
But we are talking about which is best (for humanity that is)? personally I do not think that all humans will EVER understand all philosophies or have a valid method for comparing philosophies. So for me philosophy is a none starter. Science on the other had is ACE at comparing any two objects theories ideas or complaints It frequently competes with itself.To do so one has only to produce better science and put it in front of a greater number of peers. Sure philosophy started first but has no hope of winning because one cannot measure anything about philosophy. BTW there is no such thing as scientism.
I strongly believe that to get the best output from anyone of any age they should
...
gater comments on Jan 23, 2019:
Thats why so many believe in the ridiculous Big Bang Theory.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 24, 2019:
Why is that theory in the singular. If you prove one there could be others and why ridiculous? - only after it is disproved.
gater comments on Jan 23, 2019:
Thats why so many believe in the ridiculous Big Bang Theory.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 24, 2019:
Why is that theory in the singular. If you prove one there could be others and why ridiculous? - only after it is disproved.
Do you know people who always think they are right?
[vox.com]
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
"He who says he knows does not yet know as he ought"
iow Hegelian dialectics--an implied winner and loser in any transaction--as opposed to Eastern or "Naive" dialectics :)
Mcflewster replies on Jan 23, 2019:
@bbyrd009 Please be aware that I have been mixing up your replies to this and another posting in an attempt at speed. Apologies but I appreciate your levels of thinking.
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
"He who says he knows does not yet know as he ought"
iow Hegelian dialectics--an implied winner and loser in any transaction--as opposed to Eastern or "Naive" dialectics :)
Mcflewster replies on Jan 23, 2019:
@bbyrd009 Please be aware that I have been mixing up your replies to this and another posting in an attempt at speed. Apologies but I appreciate your levels of thinking.
Do you know people who always think they are right?
[vox.com]
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
"He who says he knows does not yet know as he ought"
iow Hegelian dialectics--an implied winner and loser in any transaction--as opposed to Eastern or "Naive" dialectics :)
Mcflewster replies on Jan 21, 2019:
@bbyrd009 I think religion has the job of telling everybody what they OUGHT to do. We have the job of deciding what we actually do hopefully without pressure.
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
"He who says he knows does not yet know as he ought"
iow Hegelian dialectics--an implied winner and loser in any transaction--as opposed to Eastern or "Naive" dialectics :)
Mcflewster replies on Jan 21, 2019:
@bbyrd009 I think religion has the job of telling everybody what they OUGHT to do. We have the job of deciding what we actually do hopefully without pressure.
Do you know people who always think they are right?
[vox.com]
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
"He who says he knows does not yet know as he ought"
iow Hegelian dialectics--an implied winner and loser in any transaction--as opposed to Eastern or "Naive" dialectics :)
Mcflewster replies on Jan 21, 2019:
@bbyrd009 I am not and would not try to compete with you. I am not looking for continuing co-operation just a little flash of help?? What is 'it' above?
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
"He who says he knows does not yet know as he ought"
iow Hegelian dialectics--an implied winner and loser in any transaction--as opposed to Eastern or "Naive" dialectics :)
Mcflewster replies on Jan 21, 2019:
@bbyrd009 I am not and would not try to compete with you. I am not looking for continuing co-operation just a little flash of help?? What is 'it' above?
Do you know people who always think they are right?
[vox.com]
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
"He who says he knows does not yet know as he ought"
iow Hegelian dialectics--an implied winner and loser in any transaction--as opposed to Eastern or "Naive" dialectics :)
Mcflewster replies on Jan 21, 2019:
@bbyrd009 Why be sorry -just improve it. Start by telling me the most unsatisfactory aspect or wording ???
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
"He who says he knows does not yet know as he ought"
iow Hegelian dialectics--an implied winner and loser in any transaction--as opposed to Eastern or "Naive" dialectics :)
Mcflewster replies on Jan 21, 2019:
@bbyrd009 Why be sorry -just improve it. Start by telling me the most unsatisfactory aspect or wording ???
Do you know people who always think they are right?
[vox.com]
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
"He who says he knows does not yet know as he ought"
iow Hegelian dialectics--an implied winner and loser in any transaction--as opposed to Eastern or "Naive" dialectics :)
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
Excellent research again but what "ought" we to do ever?
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
"He who says he knows does not yet know as he ought"
iow Hegelian dialectics--an implied winner and loser in any transaction--as opposed to Eastern or "Naive" dialectics :)
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
Excellent research again but what "ought" we to do ever?
" I have never heard a rational argument to defeat the smell of frying bacon".
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
https://neurosciencenews.com/food-craving-olfaction-10578/ !
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
Excellent research ! Just what I needed.
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
https://neurosciencenews.com/food-craving-olfaction-10578/ !
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
Excellent research ! Just what I needed.
Do you know people who always think they are right?
[vox.com]
Simon1 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
Never met anyone that was right everyone else always seems to be wrong ....
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
You are a relativist. (Non Threatening)
Simon1 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
Never met anyone that was right everyone else always seems to be wrong ....
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
You are a relativist. (Non Threatening)
CREDO

I saw another post that asked ”What do you believe ?
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
there is no judgement for beliefs in the Bible :)
even the Roman Centurion (Mithraist) is accepted
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
How I wish it were universally true
bbyrd009 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
there is no judgement for beliefs in the Bible :)
even the Roman Centurion (Mithraist) is accepted
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
How I wish it were universally true
" I have never heard a rational argument to defeat the smell of frying bacon".
John_Tyrrell comments on Jan 19, 2019:
Maybe a rational argument won't do it but leaving a bowl of bread to soak in vinegar on the countertop for a few hours helps neutralize the scent.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
How practical! It is surprising what this site throws up. How did you get the need to invent this?
John_Tyrrell comments on Jan 19, 2019:
Maybe a rational argument won't do it but leaving a bowl of bread to soak in vinegar on the countertop for a few hours helps neutralize the scent.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
How practical! It is surprising what this site throws up. How did you get the need to invent this?
How Can Someone be an Agnostic and an Atheist at the Same Time?
[patheos.com]
MattHardy comments on Jan 19, 2019:
I find it quite simple. Though it can be confusing for people who see theist, agnosit and atheist as a spectrum rather than a venn diagram.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
Interesting. Spectrum is more precise than a Venn diagram. I think Venn diagrams are great though
MattHardy comments on Jan 19, 2019:
I find it quite simple. Though it can be confusing for people who see theist, agnosit and atheist as a spectrum rather than a venn diagram.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 20, 2019:
Interesting. Spectrum is more precise than a Venn diagram. I think Venn diagrams are great though
CREDO

I saw another post that asked ”What do you believe ?
jlynn37 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
Saying you are unbeliever, in most context, only applies to a belief in god (aka A-theism) and has nothing to do with believing or not believing in anything else.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2019:
I agree but most religionists would say that to try to put you down or be "Holier than thou"
jlynn37 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
Saying you are unbeliever, in most context, only applies to a belief in god (aka A-theism) and has nothing to do with believing or not believing in anything else.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2019:
I agree but most religionists would say that to try to put you down or be "Holier than thou"
CREDO

I saw another post that asked ”What do you believe ?
Dave75 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
Just because other people paint pictures is no reason for me to like their art.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2019:
No reason at all. I am sure that you are not saying that it is a work of art.
Dave75 comments on Jan 19, 2019:
Just because other people paint pictures is no reason for me to like their art.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2019:
No reason at all. I am sure that you are not saying that it is a work of art.
CREDO

I saw another post that asked ”What do you believe ?
UrsiMajor comments on Jan 19, 2019:
I'm ok with telling people I am agnostic and that just means I don't know if there is a god or not. They can either accept that and not try to change me - or we are pretty much done.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2019:
" just means I don't know if there is a god or not." I think in America that also means you are quite brave.
UrsiMajor comments on Jan 19, 2019:
I'm ok with telling people I am agnostic and that just means I don't know if there is a god or not. They can either accept that and not try to change me - or we are pretty much done.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2019:
" just means I don't know if there is a god or not." I think in America that also means you are quite brave.
I want to to make a general statement perhaps a confession.
Masondixonline comments on Jan 19, 2019:
In my confession...
It should have read DEPTH OF PASSION
.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2019:
Freudian slip
Masondixonline comments on Jan 19, 2019:
In my confession...
It should have read DEPTH OF PASSION
.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2019:
Freudian slip
What is your view on Macjesus?
[lbc.co.uk]
Unimatrix907 comments on Jan 18, 2019:
So was Eve made from the McRib?
Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2019:
I love comments which extend the vision. Mcflewster
Unimatrix907 comments on Jan 18, 2019:
So was Eve made from the McRib?
Mcflewster replies on Jan 19, 2019:
I love comments which extend the vision. Mcflewster
What do you believe in?
Denker comments on Jan 13, 2019:
You missed ‘science’ off the list.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2019:
Odd, that.
Denker comments on Jan 13, 2019:
You missed ‘science’ off the list.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2019:
Odd, that.
Do you think that Mrs May's mess has its roots in her Christian upbringing?
Geoffrey51 comments on Jan 16, 2019:
I think Mrs May’s mess is the stitch up by Cameron leaving someone to clear up after he ran away from it.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2019:
@Geoffrey51 It is a plot by rich 'dealer' type politicians to make money out of uncertainty and negate the EUROPEAN COURT OF JUSTICE. ALSO hold in check people who cannot afford to deal. THIS theory has not yet fully emerged but something like this is probably TRUE.
Geoffrey51 comments on Jan 16, 2019:
I think Mrs May’s mess is the stitch up by Cameron leaving someone to clear up after he ran away from it.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2019:
@Geoffrey51 It is a plot by rich 'dealer' type politicians to make money out of uncertainty and negate the EUROPEAN COURT OF JUSTICE. ALSO hold in check people who cannot afford to deal. THIS theory has not yet fully emerged but something like this is probably TRUE.
Do you think that Mrs May's mess has its roots in her Christian upbringing?
Geoffrey51 comments on Jan 16, 2019:
I think Mrs May’s mess is the stitch up by Cameron leaving someone to clear up after he ran away from it.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2019:
Yes he started the present sequence of bad government but did not have the balls to correct it. Mrs May took on the poisoned baton but made her own unique mistakes.
Geoffrey51 comments on Jan 16, 2019:
I think Mrs May’s mess is the stitch up by Cameron leaving someone to clear up after he ran away from it.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2019:
Yes he started the present sequence of bad government but did not have the balls to correct it. Mrs May took on the poisoned baton but made her own unique mistakes.
Do you think that Mrs May's mess has its roots in her Christian upbringing?
webspider555 comments on Jan 16, 2019:
I’m not sure if anyone else would have done any better, but I think others are just waiting for her to fall on her sword
Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2019:
You will wait a very long time for she knows that if she does impale herself on the sword others may topple on top too and completely split her party. What a dilema.
webspider555 comments on Jan 16, 2019:
I’m not sure if anyone else would have done any better, but I think others are just waiting for her to fall on her sword
Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2019:
You will wait a very long time for she knows that if she does impale herself on the sword others may topple on top too and completely split her party. What a dilema.
Do you think that Mrs May's mess has its roots in her Christian upbringing?
Marionville comments on Jan 17, 2019:
Perhaps, but it’s more likely just a personality trait,
Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2019:
Some of those traits are the qualities of a bigot . e.g the refusal to talk to other political parties until she had to.
Marionville comments on Jan 17, 2019:
Perhaps, but it’s more likely just a personality trait,
Mcflewster replies on Jan 17, 2019:
Some of those traits are the qualities of a bigot . e.g the refusal to talk to other political parties until she had to.
A solution to the Brexit Mess?
Flettie comments on Jan 15, 2019:
Trouble is Remainers want ONE outcome. Leavers on the other hand are split. Some voted for 350 million for the NHS others for a 'jobs first' Brexit and others because they swallowed the xenophobic wittering of UKIP. And everything in between.
My approach? Revoke A50 and call a GE.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2019:
One outcome i.e remain is not a problem. It worked for 40 years and IS capable of being improved by us.
Flettie comments on Jan 15, 2019:
Trouble is Remainers want ONE outcome. Leavers on the other hand are split. Some voted for 350 million for the NHS others for a 'jobs first' Brexit and others because they swallowed the xenophobic wittering of UKIP. And everything in between.
My approach? Revoke A50 and call a GE.
Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2019:
One outcome i.e remain is not a problem. It worked for 40 years and IS capable of being improved by us.
A solution to the Brexit Mess?
CeliaVL comments on Jan 15, 2019:
I would rather have a general election and get the Tories out before they completely destroy the country. While I agree that the referendum was extremely badly organised and dishonestly run, there is no guarantee that a second one would be run any better and there is no indication that opinions have...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2019:
To have Brexit difficulties and GE topics and difficulties at the same time would be too confusing.
We should keep on having EU referenda until there is "clear water" between the two sides. Keep that in mind as you are making up everything to do with the next referendum, then if enough effort is put into each one we might make smaller the number of referenda required.
CeliaVL comments on Jan 15, 2019:
I would rather have a general election and get the Tories out before they completely destroy the country. While I agree that the referendum was extremely badly organised and dishonestly run, there is no guarantee that a second one would be run any better and there is no indication that opinions have...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 16, 2019:
To have Brexit difficulties and GE topics and difficulties at the same time would be too confusing.
We should keep on having EU referenda until there is "clear water" between the two sides. Keep that in mind as you are making up everything to do with the next referendum, then if enough effort is put into each one we might make smaller the number of referenda required.
A solution to the Brexit Mess?
David_Cooper comments on Jan 14, 2019:
The simplest solution is to withdraw/revoke article 50 and leave it open for future governments to take Britain out of the EU if they put it in their manifesto that they wish to do so. A second referendum risks the vote going the same way as it did the last time, risking us having to leave with no ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 14, 2019:
Voting is not risky it is a part of democracy
David_Cooper comments on Jan 14, 2019:
The simplest solution is to withdraw/revoke article 50 and leave it open for future governments to take Britain out of the EU if they put it in their manifesto that they wish to do so. A second referendum risks the vote going the same way as it did the last time, risking us having to leave with no ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 14, 2019:
Voting is not risky it is a part of democracy
Morals and religion
MattTeter comments on Jan 8, 2019:
Morality is subjective
Mcflewster replies on Jan 8, 2019:
Not entirely surely. Yes it is possible to establish your own morals for a time but the most important control on your morals is the effect on everyone else. In time bad morals will show themselves up by causing harm and bad feeling to an increasing number of people and ways are found to correct them. Yes, morals change with time but only at the wish of a large faction of the population. To the extent that morals do need to change from time to time it is best not to be too strict in enforcing them, but neither let it be known that there are no restrictions in the cause of total human happiness.
MattTeter comments on Jan 8, 2019:
Morality is subjective
Mcflewster replies on Jan 8, 2019:
Not entirely surely. Yes it is possible to establish your own morals for a time but the most important control on your morals is the effect on everyone else. In time bad morals will show themselves up by causing harm and bad feeling to an increasing number of people and ways are found to correct them. Yes, morals change with time but only at the wish of a large faction of the population. To the extent that morals do need to change from time to time it is best not to be too strict in enforcing them, but neither let it be known that there are no restrictions in the cause of total human happiness.
Has anyone a clue what " To obtain wisdom" means?
MattHardy comments on Jan 1, 2019:
"I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 3, 2019:
@MattHardy You are a true agnostic!
MattHardy comments on Jan 1, 2019:
"I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 3, 2019:
@MattHardy You are a true agnostic!
Has anyone a clue what " To obtain wisdom" means?
MattHardy comments on Jan 1, 2019:
"I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 1, 2019:
In brief ... It is wise to be an agnostic?
MattHardy comments on Jan 1, 2019:
"I am wiser than this man, for neither of us appears to know anything great and good; but he fancies he knows something, although he knows nothing; whereas I, as I do not know anything, so I do not fancy I do. In this trifling particular, then, I appear to be wiser than he, because I do not fancy I ...
Mcflewster replies on Jan 1, 2019:
In brief ... It is wise to be an agnostic?
Has anyone a clue what " To obtain wisdom" means?
mordant comments on Dec 29, 2018:
Intelligence is the ability to collect and retain information; for example, to accurately identify a problem definition. Wisdom is the ability to effectively respond to information; for example, to actually solve the problem, preferably in the most economical and permanent way.
Part of wisdom is ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 30, 2018:
A good answer
mordant comments on Dec 29, 2018:
Intelligence is the ability to collect and retain information; for example, to accurately identify a problem definition. Wisdom is the ability to effectively respond to information; for example, to actually solve the problem, preferably in the most economical and permanent way.
Part of wisdom is ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 30, 2018:
A good answer
Has anyone a clue what " To obtain wisdom" means?
242Foxtrot comments on Dec 29, 2018:
It means surviving youthful stupidity with the ability to retain the learned lesson.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 30, 2018:
Which is open to all of us.
242Foxtrot comments on Dec 29, 2018:
It means surviving youthful stupidity with the ability to retain the learned lesson.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 30, 2018:
Which is open to all of us.
Has anyone a clue what " To obtain wisdom" means?
NoMagicCookie comments on Dec 29, 2018:
Depends on who you are talking to.
My understanding from debating young (20's) theists is they define "obtained wisdom" as a blessing of wisdom given to them by their loving god by believing things based on (obtained Truth) that is earned by using faith (belief without evidence) as a test of ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 30, 2018:
You are right to spot that wisdom is used by religion to emphasise the importance of religious texts and utterances. It is usually "wise old men" they rely on . Personally I can respect an older person who can 'read' another person and find out what their problem is, quickly and gently offering a solution. These people are not always picked out as wise.
NoMagicCookie comments on Dec 29, 2018:
Depends on who you are talking to.
My understanding from debating young (20's) theists is they define "obtained wisdom" as a blessing of wisdom given to them by their loving god by believing things based on (obtained Truth) that is earned by using faith (belief without evidence) as a test of ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 30, 2018:
You are right to spot that wisdom is used by religion to emphasise the importance of religious texts and utterances. It is usually "wise old men" they rely on . Personally I can respect an older person who can 'read' another person and find out what their problem is, quickly and gently offering a solution. These people are not always picked out as wise.
Has anyone a clue what " To obtain wisdom" means?
WilliamFleming comments on Dec 29, 2018:
I’ve known some fairly young people who seemed to have wisdom in certain areas. Maybe we are all wise in our special strong areas and unwise in our weak areas.
For me, wisdom is to have a deep awareness and connection with life and your environment and to understand phenomena in depth so that ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 30, 2018:
To me "direct experience, mental analysis and meditation." is another way of saying Science. Knowledge itself is no longer the objective, but what does matter is the ability to get any knowledge relevant to you, quickly
WilliamFleming comments on Dec 29, 2018:
I’ve known some fairly young people who seemed to have wisdom in certain areas. Maybe we are all wise in our special strong areas and unwise in our weak areas.
For me, wisdom is to have a deep awareness and connection with life and your environment and to understand phenomena in depth so that ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 30, 2018:
To me "direct experience, mental analysis and meditation." is another way of saying Science. Knowledge itself is no longer the objective, but what does matter is the ability to get any knowledge relevant to you, quickly
Has anyone a clue what " To obtain wisdom" means?
BillF comments on Dec 29, 2018:
I believe that wisdom comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgement!
Mcflewster replies on Dec 30, 2018:
Nevertheless experience IS very valuable however it is obtained as long as one remains humble.
BillF comments on Dec 29, 2018:
I believe that wisdom comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgement!
Mcflewster replies on Dec 30, 2018:
Nevertheless experience IS very valuable however it is obtained as long as one remains humble.
Science is the pursuit of knowledge of our world, what we can sense, observe, measure.
Jamespuck comments on Dec 2, 2018:
Science cane out of what was called natural philosophy. Some of our best but early scientists were members of religious orders. These were in the pursuit of god via the study of the natural world
As the studies deepened the concept of god started to be challenged.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 29, 2018:
I agree . Philosophy does not have a stage where anything is put to the test of practicality so anyone can call themselves a philosopher without any proof or reputation to protect.
Jamespuck comments on Dec 2, 2018:
Science cane out of what was called natural philosophy. Some of our best but early scientists were members of religious orders. These were in the pursuit of god via the study of the natural world
As the studies deepened the concept of god started to be challenged.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 29, 2018:
I agree . Philosophy does not have a stage where anything is put to the test of practicality so anyone can call themselves a philosopher without any proof or reputation to protect.
My ex-husband.
Mcflewster comments on Dec 24, 2018:
It is good to know that some couples get through these terrible times and recognize each other's human needs.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 25, 2018:
What would your advice be to couples who are attracted to each other but in reality are heading for the same sort of experience as yours?
Mcflewster comments on Dec 24, 2018:
It is good to know that some couples get through these terrible times and recognize each other's human needs.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 25, 2018:
What would your advice be to couples who are attracted to each other but in reality are heading for the same sort of experience as yours?
In finding a partner how much did the ‘Key into the lock’ principle operate for you or should ...
hippydog comments on Dec 13, 2018:
It's hard enough trying to find someone with mutual chemistry , without adding in a huge wish list.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 14, 2018:
I am sorry I did not wish to complicate anything. My motivation behind this post is the fact that religions and their Churches have done little to stop the tide of divorces and countless painful pre-marriage attempts at finding the perfect partner. I wonder what dating agencies use as their principles for finding a match? Anyone work for one?
hippydog comments on Dec 13, 2018:
It's hard enough trying to find someone with mutual chemistry , without adding in a huge wish list.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 14, 2018:
I am sorry I did not wish to complicate anything. My motivation behind this post is the fact that religions and their Churches have done little to stop the tide of divorces and countless painful pre-marriage attempts at finding the perfect partner. I wonder what dating agencies use as their principles for finding a match? Anyone work for one?
"That POOR woman"
Does anyone else share my concern that too much responsibility for what happens ...
Xanadutoo comments on Dec 13, 2018:
I do agree this was too much of a burden for one person .I think they should have set up a cross party committee of Brexiters to negotiate the deal.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 13, 2018:
Why only Brexiteers? Who is going to decide what is good for Brittain? We would never recover from a 'Trial period'.
Xanadutoo comments on Dec 13, 2018:
I do agree this was too much of a burden for one person .I think they should have set up a cross party committee of Brexiters to negotiate the deal.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 13, 2018:
Why only Brexiteers? Who is going to decide what is good for Brittain? We would never recover from a 'Trial period'.
"That POOR woman"
Does anyone else share my concern that too much responsibility for what happens ...
LenHazell53 comments on Dec 13, 2018:
She is not a "Poor woman" in any sense.
She is Prime Minister, she not only chose to be prime minister she fought to be Prime minister.
"Would we be saying "The that poor man" if it were still Cameron at no.10? No we would be calling him incompetent and negligent which he was.
I care not if the ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 13, 2018:
Just to make it clear, I would not call her a poor woman either.
LenHazell53 comments on Dec 13, 2018:
She is not a "Poor woman" in any sense.
She is Prime Minister, she not only chose to be prime minister she fought to be Prime minister.
"Would we be saying "The that poor man" if it were still Cameron at no.10? No we would be calling him incompetent and negligent which he was.
I care not if the ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 13, 2018:
Just to make it clear, I would not call her a poor woman either.
With this morning’s news of a leadership challenge to Theresa May, what do you think the outcome ...
Jnei comments on Dec 12, 2018:
I dread to think. May needs to go as she's both evil and incompetent, but her replacement is likely to be evil and competent.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 12, 2018:
@Marionville I do not believe in evil either . It is the same as 'Lack of empathy' > Mrs May has shown plenty of missing empathy e.g.Grenfell and WINDRUSH
Jnei comments on Dec 12, 2018:
I dread to think. May needs to go as she's both evil and incompetent, but her replacement is likely to be evil and competent.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 12, 2018:
@Marionville I do not believe in evil either . It is the same as 'Lack of empathy' > Mrs May has shown plenty of missing empathy e.g.Grenfell and WINDRUSH
Which one of these would you support by increasing the numbers of these techniques in society ?
citronella comments on Dec 6, 2018:
I agree that discussion is preferable in real life. I think debates in schools can be useful, but only if the teacher and students then sit down and critique the debates, the points raised, their validity, how the argument could be strengthened. Then it becomes an exercise in how to think ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 7, 2018:
Can they not critique a discussion also. It the two sides thing for me as EVENTUALLY it would be best to work together but we do have a lot of misconceptions to work through.
citronella comments on Dec 6, 2018:
I agree that discussion is preferable in real life. I think debates in schools can be useful, but only if the teacher and students then sit down and critique the debates, the points raised, their validity, how the argument could be strengthened. Then it becomes an exercise in how to think ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 7, 2018:
Can they not critique a discussion also. It the two sides thing for me as EVENTUALLY it would be best to work together but we do have a lot of misconceptions to work through.
"Holier-Than-Thou Agnosticism: the proponent fails to justify their agnosticism with respect to ...
Mb_Man comments on Dec 6, 2018:
I suspect there COULD be a point to this. Both atheists and agnostics alike, tend to define the term incorrectly.
Having said that, there DOES tend to be a lot of dogmatism on the atheist side. Making the lack of humility accusation. . . amusing.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 7, 2018:
Deep thinking ! Well balanced.
Mb_Man comments on Dec 6, 2018:
I suspect there COULD be a point to this. Both atheists and agnostics alike, tend to define the term incorrectly.
Having said that, there DOES tend to be a lot of dogmatism on the atheist side. Making the lack of humility accusation. . . amusing.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 7, 2018:
Deep thinking ! Well balanced.
How do you see the future of science education?
JacarC comments on Dec 4, 2018:
Feynman lectured in Brazil. At one point he held up the physics book used at the university, and probably in all of Brazil schools, and stated, "There is no science in this book."
All of it was rote memory exercises.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 4, 2018:
Good one . I agree with Feynman . Knowledge does not equal Science , It is a product of science.
JacarC comments on Dec 4, 2018:
Feynman lectured in Brazil. At one point he held up the physics book used at the university, and probably in all of Brazil schools, and stated, "There is no science in this book."
All of it was rote memory exercises.
Mcflewster replies on Dec 4, 2018:
Good one . I agree with Feynman . Knowledge does not equal Science , It is a product of science.
How do you see the future of science education?
LenHazell53 comments on Dec 1, 2018:
Have you not realised that education in state schools has for some decades now not been about education at all?
It is simply a method of preparing the majority of people for a life of inane conformity, obedience and acceptance of the status quo.
It is all about classification, quantification and ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 4, 2018:
I totally agree. I think that science education has been about doing "other people's science" over and over again. It should be about the ability of finding things about yourself which are affecting YOU and being responsible for correcting things yourself.
LenHazell53 comments on Dec 1, 2018:
Have you not realised that education in state schools has for some decades now not been about education at all?
It is simply a method of preparing the majority of people for a life of inane conformity, obedience and acceptance of the status quo.
It is all about classification, quantification and ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 4, 2018:
I totally agree. I think that science education has been about doing "other people's science" over and over again. It should be about the ability of finding things about yourself which are affecting YOU and being responsible for correcting things yourself.
How do you see the future of science education?
Amzungu comments on Dec 1, 2018:
"Fun with science" was my umbrella category for all the things I let my sons do to explore their own curiosities about the world as they grew up. True intelligence is the ability to adapt to change, and you cannot accomplish that without some level of understanding. I think it's important to ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 4, 2018:
Good attitude for helping children to take responsibilty.
Amzungu comments on Dec 1, 2018:
"Fun with science" was my umbrella category for all the things I let my sons do to explore their own curiosities about the world as they grew up. True intelligence is the ability to adapt to change, and you cannot accomplish that without some level of understanding. I think it's important to ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 4, 2018:
Good attitude for helping children to take responsibilty.
How do you see the future of science education?
Amisja comments on Dec 1, 2018:
I teach on a BSc and MSc course and I am always surprised by the poor scientific knowledge of the students. I remember my science education, learning the scientific method first of all. A level science at the time consisted of developing your own research and submitting it to statistical analysis ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 4, 2018:
My concern is not necessarily knowledge although it is handy to check it before you delve into a new concept, but in exactly how science proceeds to find that knowledge. I was never instructed in the science method or asked to instruct it until a year before I ended my teaching career. I believe that a modified form of scientific method and taking responsibility for your own fund of knowledge could help us all of any age in the future -solving problems like false news but down to everyday problems too.
Please see my 'Science teachers' group under "groups'.
Amisja comments on Dec 1, 2018:
I teach on a BSc and MSc course and I am always surprised by the poor scientific knowledge of the students. I remember my science education, learning the scientific method first of all. A level science at the time consisted of developing your own research and submitting it to statistical analysis ...
Mcflewster replies on Dec 4, 2018:
My concern is not necessarily knowledge although it is handy to check it before you delve into a new concept, but in exactly how science proceeds to find that knowledge. I was never instructed in the science method or asked to instruct it until a year before I ended my teaching career. I believe that a modified form of scientific method and taking responsibility for your own fund of knowledge could help us all of any age in the future -solving problems like false news but down to everyday problems too.
Please see my 'Science teachers' group under "groups'.
Talk about an unholy alliance.
Mcflewster comments on Nov 26, 2018:
All pointing to a weakness of Mrs May and other PMs - or rather the Irish problem should have been settled eons ago. They should have had a Scotland type agreement, unified north and south, no religious ties with strong devolved powers. No wonder the empire fell apart. Boris is just a trouble ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 27, 2018:
@Marionville I bow to your knowledge of countries, but I was born in the Isle of Man which will I think be little affected by Brexit.
Mcflewster comments on Nov 26, 2018:
All pointing to a weakness of Mrs May and other PMs - or rather the Irish problem should have been settled eons ago. They should have had a Scotland type agreement, unified north and south, no religious ties with strong devolved powers. No wonder the empire fell apart. Boris is just a trouble ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 27, 2018:
@Marionville I bow to your knowledge of countries, but I was born in the Isle of Man which will I think be little affected by Brexit.
Talk about an unholy alliance.
Mcflewster comments on Nov 26, 2018:
All pointing to a weakness of Mrs May and other PMs - or rather the Irish problem should have been settled eons ago. They should have had a Scotland type agreement, unified north and south, no religious ties with strong devolved powers. No wonder the empire fell apart. Boris is just a trouble ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 26, 2018:
@Marionville I was thinking that at one time, perhaps briefly, Ireland, Scotland and Wales all wanted to be treated equally (Ireland at least wants to maintain the union) in any EU deal and things would be a lot easier if they were equal . So what ever the Scotland arrangement perhaps they should all get equal. Just out of Interest I was born and raised in a separate UK protectorate . Can you guess where?
Mcflewster comments on Nov 26, 2018:
All pointing to a weakness of Mrs May and other PMs - or rather the Irish problem should have been settled eons ago. They should have had a Scotland type agreement, unified north and south, no religious ties with strong devolved powers. No wonder the empire fell apart. Boris is just a trouble ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 26, 2018:
@Marionville I was thinking that at one time, perhaps briefly, Ireland, Scotland and Wales all wanted to be treated equally (Ireland at least wants to maintain the union) in any EU deal and things would be a lot easier if they were equal . So what ever the Scotland arrangement perhaps they should all get equal. Just out of Interest I was born and raised in a separate UK protectorate . Can you guess where?
Just an update on Brexit options
[thedailymash.co.uk]
Marionville comments on Nov 20, 2018:
It’s bad news whatever way we go....unless we use the Tardis and go back to before 2016 and get Jodie Whittaker to change Cameron’s mind about declaring a referendum!
Mcflewster replies on Nov 20, 2018:
@Marionville Yes wording and conditions second vote needs better thought as do all our political processes? Can we trust our politicians to make decisions? It will take a written constitution and lots of work to get that trust back.
My desire is to go back to ordinary EU membership think through all necessary revisions of politics whilst learning from and listening to the other 27 countries - for ten years at least and then find out again if we really want it.
Marionville comments on Nov 20, 2018:
It’s bad news whatever way we go....unless we use the Tardis and go back to before 2016 and get Jodie Whittaker to change Cameron’s mind about declaring a referendum!
Mcflewster replies on Nov 20, 2018:
@Marionville Yes wording and conditions second vote needs better thought as do all our political processes? Can we trust our politicians to make decisions? It will take a written constitution and lots of work to get that trust back.
My desire is to go back to ordinary EU membership think through all necessary revisions of politics whilst learning from and listening to the other 27 countries - for ten years at least and then find out again if we really want it.
Just an update on Brexit options
[thedailymash.co.uk]
Marionville comments on Nov 20, 2018:
It’s bad news whatever way we go....unless we use the Tardis and go back to before 2016 and get Jodie Whittaker to change Cameron’s mind about declaring a referendum!
Mcflewster replies on Nov 20, 2018:
Making sure we re-educate the public about referenda and the true nature of the EU -see my first comment
Marionville comments on Nov 20, 2018:
It’s bad news whatever way we go....unless we use the Tardis and go back to before 2016 and get Jodie Whittaker to change Cameron’s mind about declaring a referendum!
Mcflewster replies on Nov 20, 2018:
Making sure we re-educate the public about referenda and the true nature of the EU -see my first comment
Are you a better person ,since joining Agnostic.
KissedbySun comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I don't feel that participating here has much changed me as a person. I'm a better person since addressing my addiction issues though!
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
That is much better than any feeling you may get from just reading our posts and replies.
KissedbySun comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I don't feel that participating here has much changed me as a person. I'm a better person since addressing my addiction issues though!
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
That is much better than any feeling you may get from just reading our posts and replies.
Are you a better person ,since joining Agnostic.
Return2Sender comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I've only recently joined, but I have felt a stronger sense of community in the few days I've been active. Sometimes we can be an island in vast sea of religious people... and seeing all the posts and comments really helps me to be more passionate about my lack of support for religious endeavors. ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
This is really good to read
Return2Sender comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I've only recently joined, but I have felt a stronger sense of community in the few days I've been active. Sometimes we can be an island in vast sea of religious people... and seeing all the posts and comments really helps me to be more passionate about my lack of support for religious endeavors. ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
This is really good to read
Are you a better person ,since joining Agnostic.
Lorajay comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I did not join to become a better person. I've always strived to be a decent caring person.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
I am not sure how I know it but I feel you are
Lorajay comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I did not join to become a better person. I've always strived to be a decent caring person.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
I am not sure how I know it but I feel you are
Are you a better person ,since joining Agnostic.
Marionville comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I can’t see how joining Agnostic.com would make anyone a better person, and find that notion curious. As far as I am concerned the answer is, no I don’t think joining has made me a better person, and no I don’t find it difficult to judge. Finally, I care about many things, but not whether I...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
People make other people better people but of course they can use deeds which are better than just words
Marionville comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I can’t see how joining Agnostic.com would make anyone a better person, and find that notion curious. As far as I am concerned the answer is, no I don’t think joining has made me a better person, and no I don’t find it difficult to judge. Finally, I care about many things, but not whether I...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
People make other people better people but of course they can use deeds which are better than just words
Are you a better person ,since joining Agnostic.
Deb57 comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I don't think I'm better for joining this social media site, but I strive for self improvement every day. Some days I get better results than other days.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
Well this IS good.
Deb57 comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I don't think I'm better for joining this social media site, but I strive for self improvement every day. Some days I get better results than other days.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
Well this IS good.
Are you a better person ,since joining Agnostic.
Jaydee123 comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I am who I am.I have reached a stage in life where if people dont like me, I really dont care .Their loss , not mind .I have endured too much crap in in the past , to give a rat's ass.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
This is sad but you of course have every right to feel and think as you do. You are not alone.
Jaydee123 comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I am who I am.I have reached a stage in life where if people dont like me, I really dont care .Their loss , not mind .I have endured too much crap in in the past , to give a rat's ass.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
This is sad but you of course have every right to feel and think as you do. You are not alone.
Are you a better person ,since joining Agnostic.
andykb3 comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I didn't join to become a better person, just to find interesting conversations with new (and presumably at least partially like-minded) people - therefore I don't believe I'm a better (or worse) person as a result of joining.
Plus I'm a relatively new member - you guys haven't had much of a ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
I am not trying to make you a better person but am interested in finding out whether by some 'magic which we do not actually understand belonging to this site makes you somehow Better ( or worse e.g. more frustrated) . People are saying that being on Facebook makes you a worse person and we have to do something about that - or somebody does.
andykb3 comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I didn't join to become a better person, just to find interesting conversations with new (and presumably at least partially like-minded) people - therefore I don't believe I'm a better (or worse) person as a result of joining.
Plus I'm a relatively new member - you guys haven't had much of a ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
I am not trying to make you a better person but am interested in finding out whether by some 'magic which we do not actually understand belonging to this site makes you somehow Better ( or worse e.g. more frustrated) . People are saying that being on Facebook makes you a worse person and we have to do something about that - or somebody does.
Are you a better person ,since joining Agnostic.
Santanaman9 comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I didn't join Agnostics.com "to becomes a better person". I joined because I felt it might be a haven for the Atheistic/Agnostic. So far, so good.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
Just wondering - you do not have to reply - what would be your terms or idea of being a better person?
Santanaman9 comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I didn't join Agnostics.com "to becomes a better person". I joined because I felt it might be a haven for the Atheistic/Agnostic. So far, so good.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
Just wondering - you do not have to reply - what would be your terms or idea of being a better person?
Have you had experience in the past about choosing between two different religions .
KissedbySun comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I quit trying to pretend I believed Christianity or make it work in spite of my lack of belief and decided to follow what I DID believe, and had all my life...that the Universe is the Ultimate Reality just as it presents itself, no woo, no one pulling strings in the backround.
After a number of ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
Do you know any good offers on sun cream?
KissedbySun comments on Nov 14, 2018:
I quit trying to pretend I believed Christianity or make it work in spite of my lack of belief and decided to follow what I DID believe, and had all my life...that the Universe is the Ultimate Reality just as it presents itself, no woo, no one pulling strings in the backround.
After a number of ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 15, 2018:
Do you know any good offers on sun cream?
Do you think we ought consider a re-write of the Ten Commandments specifically for the Third ...
Sofabeast comments on Nov 13, 2018:
So to include a vegan slant on coverting neighbours oxen as well? Thou shalt not covert thy neighbours beetroot?
Mcflewster replies on Nov 14, 2018:
Good point, I Love beetroot.
Sofabeast comments on Nov 13, 2018:
So to include a vegan slant on coverting neighbours oxen as well? Thou shalt not covert thy neighbours beetroot?
Mcflewster replies on Nov 14, 2018:
Good point, I Love beetroot.
Do you think we ought consider a re-write of the Ten Commandments specifically for the Third ...
Fernapple comments on Nov 13, 2018:
Look on the web and you will find dozens, it has been done a lot of times already. But the real question is what is the point unless someone is going to enforce it, without a church or some central authority it is just another version on the pile. It would be great if some government establishment ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 14, 2018:
I THINK the world would agree with more self responsibility.
Fernapple comments on Nov 13, 2018:
Look on the web and you will find dozens, it has been done a lot of times already. But the real question is what is the point unless someone is going to enforce it, without a church or some central authority it is just another version on the pile. It would be great if some government establishment ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 14, 2018:
I THINK the world would agree with more self responsibility.
Noah’s Flood, and how to talk to creationists about it
[paulbraterman.wordpress.com]
Beowulfsfriend comments on Nov 12, 2018:
I suppose I have. I try to avoid doing so. They have no Good scientific answers. Watch darkmatter 2525 a web cartoon on this and how the god character "fixes" everything with magic and the reaction of his cherub angel who, at the end, freaks out and says well why the fuck don't You just magically...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 13, 2018:
The article is trying to get people to engage with creationists which I think is a good idea. However it requires skills of a scientific i.e psychological nature OR skills of research into things that mattered much a long time ago. The flood is probably an historic event and the religionists saw an opportunity to take its over through folk tale networks and spin it in their own peculiar ways.
Beowulfsfriend comments on Nov 12, 2018:
I suppose I have. I try to avoid doing so. They have no Good scientific answers. Watch darkmatter 2525 a web cartoon on this and how the god character "fixes" everything with magic and the reaction of his cherub angel who, at the end, freaks out and says well why the fuck don't You just magically...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 13, 2018:
The article is trying to get people to engage with creationists which I think is a good idea. However it requires skills of a scientific i.e psychological nature OR skills of research into things that mattered much a long time ago. The flood is probably an historic event and the religionists saw an opportunity to take its over through folk tale networks and spin it in their own peculiar ways.
Please give us your feelings about the following, which I gave as a reply in another post.
LenHazell53 comments on Nov 9, 2018:
It is an equivocation, deliberately confusing opinion used as a simile for belief and opinion used as a simile for preference.
for example
*It is my opinion that apples are the best tasting fruit*
**I disagree because it is my opinion apples were the fruit of the tree of knowledge ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 11, 2018:
I am quite sure of what an opinion is and I had absolutely no intent of doing anything but discussing a proposal. I had no intention to confuse although people do confuse opinion with facts.
Please tell us what tree of knowledge is in the real world. 'blasphemous' is a word thought up to MAKE people feel guilty and not to prove anything.
LenHazell53 comments on Nov 9, 2018:
It is an equivocation, deliberately confusing opinion used as a simile for belief and opinion used as a simile for preference.
for example
*It is my opinion that apples are the best tasting fruit*
**I disagree because it is my opinion apples were the fruit of the tree of knowledge ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 11, 2018:
I am quite sure of what an opinion is and I had absolutely no intent of doing anything but discussing a proposal. I had no intention to confuse although people do confuse opinion with facts.
Please tell us what tree of knowledge is in the real world. 'blasphemous' is a word thought up to MAKE people feel guilty and not to prove anything.
Please give us your feelings about the following, which I gave as a reply in another post.
242Foxtrot comments on Nov 9, 2018:
Unfortunately, science also has its whores who will gladly compromise their integrity for cash, at the behest of some special interest, to shed doubt on these "facts scientifically found".
That's why my biggest pet peeve is intellectual-dishonesty-for-profit.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 11, 2018:
How about it just being "Bad Science"? Humans are what they are but unlike religions they have to prove new science before it is accepted.
242Foxtrot comments on Nov 9, 2018:
Unfortunately, science also has its whores who will gladly compromise their integrity for cash, at the behest of some special interest, to shed doubt on these "facts scientifically found".
That's why my biggest pet peeve is intellectual-dishonesty-for-profit.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 11, 2018:
How about it just being "Bad Science"? Humans are what they are but unlike religions they have to prove new science before it is accepted.
I have it on good authority that this year the chief executive of Humanist(UK ) will for the first ...
Sofabeast comments on Nov 10, 2018:
My maternal grandfather was an atheist in a foxhole, disproving the old adage. To quote him, "how could a loving god allow this"? Referring to his battery flattening an Italian town in 1944. The Germans pulled out the day before he said.
To the point. Atheists, agnostics and humanitarians fought ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 11, 2018:
Too try blue!
Sofabeast comments on Nov 10, 2018:
My maternal grandfather was an atheist in a foxhole, disproving the old adage. To quote him, "how could a loving god allow this"? Referring to his battery flattening an Italian town in 1944. The Germans pulled out the day before he said.
To the point. Atheists, agnostics and humanitarians fought ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 11, 2018:
Too try blue!
Please give us your feelings about the following, which I gave as a reply in another post.
indirect76 comments on Nov 9, 2018:
I’ve no idea how to answer because I can’t quite understand the question. I’m a bit dim.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 10, 2018:
You are not dim. People constantly confuse opinion with facts.
indirect76 comments on Nov 9, 2018:
I’ve no idea how to answer because I can’t quite understand the question. I’m a bit dim.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 10, 2018:
You are not dim. People constantly confuse opinion with facts.
Please give us your feelings about the following, which I gave as a reply in another post.
TheMiddleWay comments on Nov 9, 2018:
Problem is that scientific facts upon which people disagree are few. Science is as prone to interpretation (read: opinion) as much as any other human endevour. We simply don't use those interpretations as a foundation for further discovery and try (as much as humanly possible) to build purely on ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 10, 2018:
Facts can only be changed by BETTER science and ANYONE can do that because science is open to all as longs they take the responsibility. To improve one must study the methods of the previous person who found the fact and just do better as confirmed by a lot of others who want to believe what you do and they will check with their own similar but different approaches. I agree with your "coherency" of ideas and "consistency" of thought.
TheMiddleWay comments on Nov 9, 2018:
Problem is that scientific facts upon which people disagree are few. Science is as prone to interpretation (read: opinion) as much as any other human endevour. We simply don't use those interpretations as a foundation for further discovery and try (as much as humanly possible) to build purely on ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 10, 2018:
Facts can only be changed by BETTER science and ANYONE can do that because science is open to all as longs they take the responsibility. To improve one must study the methods of the previous person who found the fact and just do better as confirmed by a lot of others who want to believe what you do and they will check with their own similar but different approaches. I agree with your "coherency" of ideas and "consistency" of thought.
Please give us your feelings about the following, which I gave as a reply in another post.
genessa comments on Nov 9, 2018:
can you be specific? opinions are not allowed WHERE? in what context? of course opinions are allowed -- when they're expressed as opinions and not presented as, or mistaken for, facts.
sorry, those phrases don't mean anything to me. the first one could be improved and the second one isn't ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 10, 2018:
@genessa No one is denying anything . I just wanted a discussion of a proposal which has not emerged from me.It is in its simplest terms an invitation to check your facts and know why you are confident in the facts.
genessa comments on Nov 9, 2018:
can you be specific? opinions are not allowed WHERE? in what context? of course opinions are allowed -- when they're expressed as opinions and not presented as, or mistaken for, facts.
sorry, those phrases don't mean anything to me. the first one could be improved and the second one isn't ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 10, 2018:
@genessa No one is denying anything . I just wanted a discussion of a proposal which has not emerged from me.It is in its simplest terms an invitation to check your facts and know why you are confident in the facts.
Please give us your feelings about the following, which I gave as a reply in another post.
genessa comments on Nov 9, 2018:
can you be specific? opinions are not allowed WHERE? in what context? of course opinions are allowed -- when they're expressed as opinions and not presented as, or mistaken for, facts.
sorry, those phrases don't mean anything to me. the first one could be improved and the second one isn't ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 10, 2018:
@TheMiddleWay I am not talking about ditching opinions but sometimes they can be time wasting if they have no possible connection to facts.
See first line of initial post
"I agree that it would be rude to ignore or deny someone's opinion".
genessa comments on Nov 9, 2018:
can you be specific? opinions are not allowed WHERE? in what context? of course opinions are allowed -- when they're expressed as opinions and not presented as, or mistaken for, facts.
sorry, those phrases don't mean anything to me. the first one could be improved and the second one isn't ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 10, 2018:
@TheMiddleWay I am not talking about ditching opinions but sometimes they can be time wasting if they have no possible connection to facts.
See first line of initial post
"I agree that it would be rude to ignore or deny someone's opinion".
Please give us your feelings about the following, which I gave as a reply in another post.
Alone comments on Nov 9, 2018:
Isn't the word "feelings" kinda synonymous with "opinion?"
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
I think 'feelings' are the gut sensations you get when you first hear new statemens or proposal but opinions establish when you have thought about it for a while. Yes I did want a gut reaction and not an essay.
Alone comments on Nov 9, 2018:
Isn't the word "feelings" kinda synonymous with "opinion?"
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
I think 'feelings' are the gut sensations you get when you first hear new statemens or proposal but opinions establish when you have thought about it for a while. Yes I did want a gut reaction and not an essay.
Please give us your feelings about the following, which I gave as a reply in another post.
genessa comments on Nov 9, 2018:
can you be specific? opinions are not allowed WHERE? in what context? of course opinions are allowed -- when they're expressed as opinions and not presented as, or mistaken for, facts.
sorry, those phrases don't mean anything to me. the first one could be improved and the second one isn't ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
Better to ditch opinions and relate them with agreed facts. This is a proposal not an established fact. Confusing isn't it?
genessa comments on Nov 9, 2018:
can you be specific? opinions are not allowed WHERE? in what context? of course opinions are allowed -- when they're expressed as opinions and not presented as, or mistaken for, facts.
sorry, those phrases don't mean anything to me. the first one could be improved and the second one isn't ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
Better to ditch opinions and relate them with agreed facts. This is a proposal not an established fact. Confusing isn't it?
Please give us your feelings about the following, which I gave as a reply in another post.
Stephanie99 comments on Nov 9, 2018:
I can't tell what you mean by what you wrote. I think that very few people regularly check each others facts. I think that very few people know how to check facts. Often people cite articles that don't even support their position, if they cite anything at all.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
Sure, Donald doesn't
Stephanie99 comments on Nov 9, 2018:
I can't tell what you mean by what you wrote. I think that very few people regularly check each others facts. I think that very few people know how to check facts. Often people cite articles that don't even support their position, if they cite anything at all.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
Sure, Donald doesn't
Please give us your feelings about the following, which I gave as a reply in another post.
whispers comments on Nov 9, 2018:
Not fond of this particular phrase of yours... "your adversary"...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
Please (but not compulsory), go deeper in you lack of fondness
ad·ver·sar·y
/ˈadvərˌserē/Submit
noun
1.
one's opponent in a contest, conflict, or dispute.
"Davis beat his old adversary in the quarterfinals"
synonyms: opponent, rival, enemy, antagonist, combatant, challenger, contender, competitor, opposer; More
whispers comments on Nov 9, 2018:
Not fond of this particular phrase of yours... "your adversary"...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
Please (but not compulsory), go deeper in you lack of fondness
ad·ver·sar·y
/ˈadvərˌserē/Submit
noun
1.
one's opponent in a contest, conflict, or dispute.
"Davis beat his old adversary in the quarterfinals"
synonyms: opponent, rival, enemy, antagonist, combatant, challenger, contender, competitor, opposer; More
Please give us your feelings about the following, which I gave as a reply in another post.
MsAl comments on Nov 9, 2018:
Some things are not fact based. What is right and wrong? What is the better choice based on fact?
That opinion gives me the impression that you dont like to hear versions of the truth that you dont agree with. I don't. It pisses me off sometimes. I'm not always right though.
Who gets to decide ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
You get quickly to the heart of the matter . No I do like to hear versions of the truth that I don't agree with. Without a constantly changing stimulus I feel that I may have missed the right answer -and that is what this site is about. Being P.O. is 'Par for the course'. A consensus is good at deciding facts but is not foolproof as the dissenter may be the right one. Then only time will tell after a lot of rethinking.
MsAl comments on Nov 9, 2018:
Some things are not fact based. What is right and wrong? What is the better choice based on fact?
That opinion gives me the impression that you dont like to hear versions of the truth that you dont agree with. I don't. It pisses me off sometimes. I'm not always right though.
Who gets to decide ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
You get quickly to the heart of the matter . No I do like to hear versions of the truth that I don't agree with. Without a constantly changing stimulus I feel that I may have missed the right answer -and that is what this site is about. Being P.O. is 'Par for the course'. A consensus is good at deciding facts but is not foolproof as the dissenter may be the right one. Then only time will tell after a lot of rethinking.
Youtube atheist: A little about CompelledUnbeliever - YouTube
Mcflewster comments on Nov 6, 2018:
I attend monthly a group of Skeptics and Believers in Henley on Thames UK. I am not be-littling your on- line work in any way but it would be so good if Christians and Atheist in America and the UK got together in a friendly and deliberately safe situation , talking just as you do on the videos on ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
@DavidLaDeau I agree that it would be rude to ignore or deny someone's opinion but I have read somewhere that "Opinions are not allowed". Radical I know, but I think is an attempt to get at facts. [as I assume you would wish] In addition it could be a good idea to state how your adversary could check those facts or find better ones UP FRONT . Is this a good phrase "Check the facts up front?" or "Opinions differ facts scientifically found facts don't" In that last one 'scientifically found' assumes that large numbers of peers regularly check each others facts.
Mcflewster comments on Nov 6, 2018:
I attend monthly a group of Skeptics and Believers in Henley on Thames UK. I am not be-littling your on- line work in any way but it would be so good if Christians and Atheist in America and the UK got together in a friendly and deliberately safe situation , talking just as you do on the videos on ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 9, 2018:
@DavidLaDeau I agree that it would be rude to ignore or deny someone's opinion but I have read somewhere that "Opinions are not allowed". Radical I know, but I think is an attempt to get at facts. [as I assume you would wish] In addition it could be a good idea to state how your adversary could check those facts or find better ones UP FRONT . Is this a good phrase "Check the facts up front?" or "Opinions differ facts scientifically found facts don't" In that last one 'scientifically found' assumes that large numbers of peers regularly check each others facts.
Who will decorate for the holidays?
Mcflewster comments on Nov 8, 2018:
Who is the point snatcher??
Mcflewster replies on Nov 8, 2018:
We have all done it even in our thoughts
Mcflewster comments on Nov 8, 2018:
Who is the point snatcher??
Mcflewster replies on Nov 8, 2018:
We have all done it even in our thoughts
Youtube atheist: A little about CompelledUnbeliever - YouTube
Mcflewster comments on Nov 6, 2018:
I attend monthly a group of Skeptics and Believers in Henley on Thames UK. I am not be-littling your on- line work in any way but it would be so good if Christians and Atheist in America and the UK got together in a friendly and deliberately safe situation , talking just as you do on the videos on ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 7, 2018:
@DavidLaDeau I respectfully challenge the validity of your first two sentences in this reply. To take the second sentence first, you (and I) can be wrong about anything real or imagined.
Secondly an interchange that starts with a conclusion can immediately be challenged and you do not get the chance to see how your adversary led up to that conclusion. Clear rational discussion with any proposal or premise involved in your interchange being intertwined with the evidence which leads up to the conclusion. Politicians (bless them) always spout forth unproven facts because they are usually about the future and we cannot verify the future. Thankfully though we can report to people how an experimental pilot performed in the past might affect future changes .
You do sometimes need to air a challenge to find out IF it is flawed.
My suggestion is that you stick as close to science methodology as you can… it eventually produces useful things .
BTW Religionists always start with a conclusion e.g."Christ is King" followed by a lot of other useless brainwashing phrases. Humans actually need to find for themselves a conclusion stepwise, and with surprise.
Mcflewster comments on Nov 6, 2018:
I attend monthly a group of Skeptics and Believers in Henley on Thames UK. I am not be-littling your on- line work in any way but it would be so good if Christians and Atheist in America and the UK got together in a friendly and deliberately safe situation , talking just as you do on the videos on ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 7, 2018:
@DavidLaDeau I respectfully challenge the validity of your first two sentences in this reply. To take the second sentence first, you (and I) can be wrong about anything real or imagined.
Secondly an interchange that starts with a conclusion can immediately be challenged and you do not get the chance to see how your adversary led up to that conclusion. Clear rational discussion with any proposal or premise involved in your interchange being intertwined with the evidence which leads up to the conclusion. Politicians (bless them) always spout forth unproven facts because they are usually about the future and we cannot verify the future. Thankfully though we can report to people how an experimental pilot performed in the past might affect future changes .
You do sometimes need to air a challenge to find out IF it is flawed.
My suggestion is that you stick as close to science methodology as you can… it eventually produces useful things .
BTW Religionists always start with a conclusion e.g."Christ is King" followed by a lot of other useless brainwashing phrases. Humans actually need to find for themselves a conclusion stepwise, and with surprise.
Youtube atheist: A little about CompelledUnbeliever - YouTube
Mcflewster comments on Nov 6, 2018:
I attend monthly a group of Skeptics and Believers in Henley on Thames UK. I am not be-littling your on- line work in any way but it would be so good if Christians and Atheist in America and the UK got together in a friendly and deliberately safe situation , talking just as you do on the videos on ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 7, 2018:
@Gurahl You cannot demand it because you do not know the full history of your opponent, and what will happen in the future. You can work forward with temporary rules by experiment from an hypothesis. [sorry for the use of Jargon]
Mcflewster comments on Nov 6, 2018:
I attend monthly a group of Skeptics and Believers in Henley on Thames UK. I am not be-littling your on- line work in any way but it would be so good if Christians and Atheist in America and the UK got together in a friendly and deliberately safe situation , talking just as you do on the videos on ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 7, 2018:
@Gurahl You cannot demand it because you do not know the full history of your opponent, and what will happen in the future. You can work forward with temporary rules by experiment from an hypothesis. [sorry for the use of Jargon]
Youtube atheist: A little about CompelledUnbeliever - YouTube
Mcflewster comments on Nov 6, 2018:
I attend monthly a group of Skeptics and Believers in Henley on Thames UK. I am not be-littling your on- line work in any way but it would be so good if Christians and Atheist in America and the UK got together in a friendly and deliberately safe situation , talking just as you do on the videos on ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 6, 2018:
@Gurahl I have ideas about these (safe spaces) ,but tell me yours first.
Mcflewster comments on Nov 6, 2018:
I attend monthly a group of Skeptics and Believers in Henley on Thames UK. I am not be-littling your on- line work in any way but it would be so good if Christians and Atheist in America and the UK got together in a friendly and deliberately safe situation , talking just as you do on the videos on ...
Mcflewster replies on Nov 6, 2018:
@Gurahl I have ideas about these (safe spaces) ,but tell me yours first.
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Popular Science views.
jondspen comments on Oct 30, 2018:
lol....hilarious. Such a shame that people are not taught about scientific analysis and statistical methods. It took me till grad school to understand the process and what it takes to perform real scientific studies and properly interpreted data.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 4, 2018:
You may like to comment on posts in my "Science Teachers( all ages)" group. You seem to understand what is needed . I am trying to make it appropriate to much lower ages and even to the general public.
jondspen comments on Oct 30, 2018:
lol....hilarious. Such a shame that people are not taught about scientific analysis and statistical methods. It took me till grad school to understand the process and what it takes to perform real scientific studies and properly interpreted data.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 4, 2018:
You may like to comment on posts in my "Science Teachers( all ages)" group. You seem to understand what is needed . I am trying to make it appropriate to much lower ages and even to the general public.
Non-religious communities
Mcflewster comments on Nov 2, 2018:
Best non religious community that I have come across is "Sunday Assembly" which I believe is global and strong in parts of the USA - there may be one near you. There is one in Reading, UK
https://www.sundayassembly.com
Mcflewster replies on Nov 3, 2018:
You can see the activities of the Reading,UK Sunday assembly, on Facebook.
Mcflewster comments on Nov 2, 2018:
Best non religious community that I have come across is "Sunday Assembly" which I believe is global and strong in parts of the USA - there may be one near you. There is one in Reading, UK
https://www.sundayassembly.com
Mcflewster replies on Nov 3, 2018:
You can see the activities of the Reading,UK Sunday assembly, on Facebook.
Are there any Members of Humanist(UK) here?
MrLizard comments on Nov 1, 2018:
I'm not in the UK, but am a member of a local HUmanist organization here in Gainesville, Florida, USA.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 3, 2018:
@MrLizard Thanks . Strange no link to National. We have two non religious national organisations in the UK. Humanist(UK) which has several strong networks of local meetings and events.with national conventions in several regions , and the National Secular Society which is very strong in the media and tried to organise local groups but it does not seem to be spreading. If we are ever going to see the demise of religions we need better organisation and particularly links between organisations than currently exist.
MrLizard comments on Nov 1, 2018:
I'm not in the UK, but am a member of a local HUmanist organization here in Gainesville, Florida, USA.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 3, 2018:
@MrLizard Thanks . Strange no link to National. We have two non religious national organisations in the UK. Humanist(UK) which has several strong networks of local meetings and events.with national conventions in several regions , and the National Secular Society which is very strong in the media and tried to organise local groups but it does not seem to be spreading. If we are ever going to see the demise of religions we need better organisation and particularly links between organisations than currently exist.
Are there any Members of Humanist(UK) here?
MrLizard comments on Nov 1, 2018:
I'm not in the UK, but am a member of a local HUmanist organization here in Gainesville, Florida, USA.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 2, 2018:
I would like to know something of the relationship between the local group and the national organisations in both the USA and UK . For example is the structure and communications a bit like a political party?
MrLizard comments on Nov 1, 2018:
I'm not in the UK, but am a member of a local HUmanist organization here in Gainesville, Florida, USA.
Mcflewster replies on Nov 2, 2018:
I would like to know something of the relationship between the local group and the national organisations in both the USA and UK . For example is the structure and communications a bit like a political party?
Can science and religion be reconciled?
Sofabeast comments on Sep 14, 2018:
I have a good friend who is perhaps the 'ideal Christian'. He believe that the bible was written by men, and men make mistakes. Ask women about that! And that science is there so we humans (of all sexes) can unravel the mysteries that god has made.
We have to evolve further to fully understand ...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 28, 2018:
What makes a molecule can be explained by the electrical and other mysterious[to me] forces between atoms. Gradually more complex molecules gain the capacity to reproduce themselves and man /woman results. The only difference between man and another living or dead collections of molecules is that humans have consciousness of themselves and seek to improve things for all other molecules.
Sofabeast comments on Sep 14, 2018:
I have a good friend who is perhaps the 'ideal Christian'. He believe that the bible was written by men, and men make mistakes. Ask women about that! And that science is there so we humans (of all sexes) can unravel the mysteries that god has made.
We have to evolve further to fully understand ...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 28, 2018:
What makes a molecule can be explained by the electrical and other mysterious[to me] forces between atoms. Gradually more complex molecules gain the capacity to reproduce themselves and man /woman results. The only difference between man and another living or dead collections of molecules is that humans have consciousness of themselves and seek to improve things for all other molecules.
Can science and religion be reconciled?
rcandlish comments on Sep 18, 2018:
I would say NO! NO! and LOOK into the latest genome research. I would offer argument rather than quote-mining opinion.
Religion has always hampered the progress of science. This is historical fact, though the apologetic junkies would have us believe science is indebted to religion and sprang ...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 28, 2018:
@rcandlish Religious beliefs can be fudged as any beliefs can, but scientists do put their beliefs to the test in this life AND as a consequence get gradually closer to a truth, knowing that there is no ultimate truth.Religionists delay testing their beliefs until they die when they will or will not meet their maker . Which is the braver?
rcandlish comments on Sep 18, 2018:
I would say NO! NO! and LOOK into the latest genome research. I would offer argument rather than quote-mining opinion.
Religion has always hampered the progress of science. This is historical fact, though the apologetic junkies would have us believe science is indebted to religion and sprang ...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 28, 2018:
@rcandlish Religious beliefs can be fudged as any beliefs can, but scientists do put their beliefs to the test in this life AND as a consequence get gradually closer to a truth, knowing that there is no ultimate truth.Religionists delay testing their beliefs until they die when they will or will not meet their maker . Which is the braver?
Can science and religion be reconciled?
rcandlish comments on Sep 18, 2018:
I would say NO! NO! and LOOK into the latest genome research. I would offer argument rather than quote-mining opinion.
Religion has always hampered the progress of science. This is historical fact, though the apologetic junkies would have us believe science is indebted to religion and sprang ...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 28, 2018:
@rcandlish How will we know there is only one truth until we get there?
rcandlish comments on Sep 18, 2018:
I would say NO! NO! and LOOK into the latest genome research. I would offer argument rather than quote-mining opinion.
Religion has always hampered the progress of science. This is historical fact, though the apologetic junkies would have us believe science is indebted to religion and sprang ...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 28, 2018:
@rcandlish How will we know there is only one truth until we get there?
Can science and religion be reconciled?
alanalorie comments on Oct 1, 2018:
There are people working in science that are religious. Somehow they are able to deal with the cognitive dissonance between what they see and what they believe and make it make sense.
If a person is a true student and researcher of the scientific method at most, they can say that they can not ...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 28, 2018:
Scientists "say that they can not disprove" ,but neither can they prove. This makes the topic only discussable within agnosticism . Science never "just" does anything. It records and suggests explanations which eventually will move closer to the truth but may not reach it.
alanalorie comments on Oct 1, 2018:
There are people working in science that are religious. Somehow they are able to deal with the cognitive dissonance between what they see and what they believe and make it make sense.
If a person is a true student and researcher of the scientific method at most, they can say that they can not ...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 28, 2018:
Scientists "say that they can not disprove" ,but neither can they prove. This makes the topic only discussable within agnosticism . Science never "just" does anything. It records and suggests explanations which eventually will move closer to the truth but may not reach it.
[youtube.] The Labour party got my attention and Corbyn gets a thumbs up from me.
Williamrj17 comments on Oct 25, 2018:
Mr Corbyn can promise such job destroying measures because he is currently leader of HM Opposition.A former Foreign Secretary in the Blair Government also wanted to end sales to such egregious nations as Saudi Arabia but Blair showed himself against any policy that would affect jobs or Britains ...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 26, 2018:
Cannot the technicians and trades unions not turn their hand to an alternative trade that will actually help the whole population rather than tis pitiful trade? Eg manufacturing solar or some other green initiative?
Williamrj17 comments on Oct 25, 2018:
Mr Corbyn can promise such job destroying measures because he is currently leader of HM Opposition.A former Foreign Secretary in the Blair Government also wanted to end sales to such egregious nations as Saudi Arabia but Blair showed himself against any policy that would affect jobs or Britains ...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 26, 2018:
Cannot the technicians and trades unions not turn their hand to an alternative trade that will actually help the whole population rather than tis pitiful trade? Eg manufacturing solar or some other green initiative?
How do you handle negativity regarding your agnostic ideas?
Blue-eyes comments on Oct 22, 2018:
I don't share
Mcflewster replies on Oct 22, 2018:
Do try things out here on Agnostic. Come on in the water is fine!
Blue-eyes comments on Oct 22, 2018:
I don't share
Mcflewster replies on Oct 22, 2018:
Do try things out here on Agnostic. Come on in the water is fine!
I believe it's a good practice to base one's worldview, to the extent humanly possible, only on ...
Matias comments on Oct 22, 2018:
On first sight this sounds reasonable. But none of our dominant worldviews (except science!) is based on verifiable facts: neither liberalism, nor humanism, nor capitalism, nor nationalism is based on facts but on basic *assumptions* about mankind and/or the world.
Human dignity, human rights,...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 22, 2018:
But have the tales, myths, religions, ideologies... any integrity?
Matias comments on Oct 22, 2018:
On first sight this sounds reasonable. But none of our dominant worldviews (except science!) is based on verifiable facts: neither liberalism, nor humanism, nor capitalism, nor nationalism is based on facts but on basic *assumptions* about mankind and/or the world.
Human dignity, human rights,...
Mcflewster replies on Oct 22, 2018:
But have the tales, myths, religions, ideologies... any integrity?
Just read a few comments regarding Stephen Hawkins new book,and the only conclusion I came up with.
Sofabeast comments on Oct 19, 2018:
As a Social Scientist, we grade common sense as unenlightened people trying to explain phenomena through the rules and norms of their culture. As such, if that cannot explain it, then it must be gods work.
Mcflewster replies on Oct 22, 2018:
Must it?
Sofabeast comments on Oct 19, 2018:
As a Social Scientist, we grade common sense as unenlightened people trying to explain phenomena through the rules and norms of their culture. As such, if that cannot explain it, then it must be gods work.
Mcflewster replies on Oct 22, 2018:
Must it?
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Agnostic, Humanist, Freethinker
Here for community - BirthdayNovember 29
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- Joined Oct 14th, 2017
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